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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #45 on: March 16, 2014, 10:40:42 PM »
We are going to let Russia have it, and by this time in two weeks, it won't even be on the news anymore.
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2014, 02:24:24 AM »
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2014, 02:53:30 AM »
Russia Can not have it by the agreements singed after 1700s-1800s Crimea wars between Russia and Ottoman Empire (Also known as Tursko-Russian wars, in which at final stages also Great Britain and French was involved.) Crimea has special status and if it goes to try to go independent from Ukraine , Turkey becomes automatically its Guarantor country.

Don`t forget in addition to Russians living in Crimea there is also about 3%percentage Turkish minority.

ps: Knowing that Russia already offered 2nd to Prime minister position and couple ministry position to Turkish minority living there and agreed in the government they are planing to establish and accept Turkish as Crimea second legal national language for future ...

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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2014, 05:31:54 AM »
What are facts to do with this thread?

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Its Russias only warm water port and the EU and IMF are throwing coin at the Ukraine to antagonise the commies :)

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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #49 on: March 17, 2014, 10:15:18 AM »
What are facts to do with this thread?

 :rofl

Its Russias only warm water port and the EU and IMF are throwing coin at the Ukraine to antagonise the commies :)

Your all being owned by the gibberish


Not just the EU and IMF, US interest groups via NGOs have paid billions to "protesters" to destabalize the ukraine this year. It was the orange revolution part II.
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #50 on: March 17, 2014, 10:17:37 AM »
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #51 on: March 17, 2014, 10:49:05 AM »
We are going to let Russia have it, and by this time in two weeks, it won't even be on the news anymore.

We cant allow that due to the signing of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

According to the memorandum, Russia, the U.S., and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:
Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #52 on: March 17, 2014, 11:04:23 AM »
Not just the EU and IMF, US interest groups via NGOs have paid billions to "protesters" to destabalize the ukraine this year. It was the orange revolution part II.
Yes it's nothing to do with the Ukranian people getting fed up with a corrupt regime paid billions by Putin to stay within the Soviet.............sorry Russian sphere. You should really stay away from those Russian propaganda and conspiracy theory websites. The Ukranians just want what most other Europeans have right now. To be part of west and the EU. Not revert to some old soviet style gulag regime which Putin is hell bent on restoring. Putin is an old style Communist, nothing more nothing less. You'd have thought the Russians had learned their lesson on that one. :rolleyes:


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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #53 on: March 17, 2014, 11:04:33 AM »
We cant allow that due to the signing of the Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

According to the memorandum, Russia, the U.S., and the UK confirmed, in recognition of Ukraine becoming party to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons and in effect abandoning its nuclear arsenal to Russia, that they would:
Respect Ukrainian independence and sovereignty within its existing borders.
Refrain from the threat or use of force against Ukraine.
Refrain from using economic pressure on Ukraine in order to influence its politics.
Seek United Nations Security Council action if nuclear weapons are used against Ukraine.
Refrain from the use of nuclear arms against Ukraine.
Consult with one another if questions arise regarding these commitments

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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #54 on: March 17, 2014, 11:10:51 AM »
Treaties have a good use traditionally in Russia. They are always lacking toilet paper.

Treaties in Russia are good for a toilet paper... known fact.

Are they the same for US and UK?.. not going to a political debate, it is something to think about for all US allies.

BTW: no US/NATO drone was actually lost or used over Crimea (many-many other reports confirm that) 
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #55 on: March 17, 2014, 11:22:11 AM »
Yes it's nothing to do with the Ukranian people getting fed up with a corrupt regime paid billions by Putin to stay within the Soviet.............sorry Russian sphere. You should really stay away from those Russian propaganda and conspiracy theory websites. The Ukranians just want what most other Europeans have right now. To be part of west and the EU. Not revert to some old soviet style gulag regime which Putin is hell bent on restoring. Putin is an old style Communist, nothing more nothing less. You'd have thought the Russians had learned their lesson on that one. :rolleyes:
Riiight western financeers had nothing to do with ousting the elected ukrainian leaders who were pro russian. Its all just russian propoganda.
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #56 on: March 17, 2014, 11:24:01 AM »
Is it true that russia is allowed by treaty to have up to 26,000 troops in the crimea?
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #57 on: March 17, 2014, 11:31:36 AM »
Did you notice that even as they were throwing malatov cocktails and turning over buses our media was still calling them protesters? How long do you think Police departments in the US would've tolerated that kind of protesting?
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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #58 on: March 17, 2014, 11:39:34 AM »
Treaties have a good use traditionally in Russia. They are always lacking toilet paper.


I will agree with you on that, but that is not my point.

The treaty states that if Ukraine gives up the worlds 3 largest stock of nuclear weapons that the United Kingdom, United States of America are obligated to protect the sovereign nation of the Ukraine from any enemy that attack from without it's borders.

In other words, if the USA doesnt stand up and tell Russia NO, and only over my dead body,   NO OTHER NATION WILL TRUST THE USA OR UK TO PROTECT THEM IF THEY HAND OVER THEIR NUCLEAR WEAPONS.
 
We all know that Russia is behind this so that makes it a enemy from without.

This happened one time before(1994) but was taken care of by the Ukraine government. ( Since the conflict was from the inside.)

In 1990, Meshkov was elected as a deputy to the Supreme Council of Crimea (the republic's parliament). There he became the co-founder of the RDK Party (Republican movement of Crimea). In 1994, he stood at the helm of the electoral bloc "Rossiya" for the republican presidential elections, where he easily defeated in the second round of elections Mykola Bahrov who ran as an independent. At that time, Mykola Bahrov was the head of the Supreme Council of Crimea. During the second round of the 1994 Crimean presidential elections, Yuriy Meshkov won with 72.9 percent of the vote, and was elected as the republic's only president.
His main political platform was to facilitate much closer relationships with the Russian Federation up to the possible annexation of Crimea by Russia.[citation needed] Meshkov tried to initiate a military-political union with Russia and completely disregarded opinions of the Ukrainian government.[citation needed] He also tried to force the rotation of the Russian currency, issue foreign passports to the Ukrainian population, and even transfer Crimea to the same time zone as Moscow. Due to the unforeseen resistance from the local opposition, Meshkov only managed to put his autonomous republic into Moscow's time zone. He also appointed the Russian economist Yevgeny Saburov as vice prime-minister; Saburov virtually became the head of the government. Other government officials[who?] disputed the appointment, arguing that Saburov could not hold the position because he did not have a Ukrainian passport. Yevgeny Saburov was forced to resign. After that he managed to paralyze the work of the Supreme Council of Crimea.

In 1995, the Ukrainian parliament scrapped the Crimean Constitution and abolished the post of president on March 17, 1995. After couple of preceding warnings in September and November 1994, on March 17, 1995 the President of Ukraine, Leonid Kuchma, signed the Law of Ukraine that scrapped the amended Crimean Constitution and some other Laws of AR Crimea, on the grounds that they contradicted the Constitution of Ukraine and endangered the sovereignty of Ukraine.

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Re: US drone captured by Russians over Crimea?
« Reply #59 on: March 17, 2014, 11:46:15 AM »
Yes it's nothing to do with the Ukranian people getting fed up with a corrupt regime paid billions by Putin to stay within the Soviet.............sorry Russian sphere. You should really stay away from those Russian propaganda and conspiracy theory websites. The Ukranians just want what most other Europeans have right now. To be part of west and the EU. Not revert to some old soviet style gulag regime which Putin is hell bent on restoring. Putin is an old style Communist, nothing more nothing less. You'd have thought the Russians had learned their lesson on that one. :rolleyes:



BBC radio 4 had a political analyst on who was a Yank, stating it was the EU and IMF, do you think he was a commie?

Or maybe one of those neutral countries who keep out if wars :)
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