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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Swoop on March 20, 2014, 04:19:13 AM
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If a rider has one of those flip top helmets (full face but the whole front flips up so you can see his face).....should he still be required to take the helmet off when paying for petrol?
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If a rider has one of those flip top helmets (full face but the whole front flips up so you can see his face).....should he still be required to take the helmet off when paying for petrol?
Why?
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Yeah that's what I think. No-one so far has managed to give me a good reason.
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I've always removed a full face but my winter flip front I dont
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So what would you do if you were told to in a gas station....would it make any difference if you'd walked into Walmart with it on (but flipped up)?
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Is this one of those Brit things where you have to prove your a good citizen and make it plain that your NOT a robber by showing your face?
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Is this one of those Brit things where you have to prove your a good citizen and make it plain that your NOT a robber by showing your face?
I used to work night shift at a gas station in the US and if you came into my store with a full face motorcycle helmet on I would sure as hell have asked you to take it off.
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Is this one of those Brit things where you have to prove your a good citizen and make it plain that your NOT a robber by showing your face?
Is it any different than wearing a bandana?
(http://www.murraymitchell.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/bandana_biker_with_helmet_style.jpg)
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yes it is a Brit thing, mainly so they've got your face on CCTV if you did rob the place.....and yes I have no problem removing a full face helmet for that reason. However, I still get demands to remove my flip top helmet when it's open with my face showing.....and I really don't see why.
So far, no-one has managed to give me a logical reason why.
The thing that P's me off is the way some of these monkeys working in gas stations go about this. I've even had demands to remove the helmet at the pump, before I've even got any petrol!
I pulled into a BP station just off the A417 in Gloucestershire and went to fill up.....but nothing happened, pump not switched on. I did hear an odd noise coming out of the PA system at the garage but whatever it was was just bips and screeches. After a few minutes of waiting I went into the garage, with the front of the lid flipped up, walked up to the desk and asked what the problem was, only to be told:
"Take your helmet off at the pump."
"Why?"
"It's company policy."
"Why?"
"Cos it is."
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"You want me to remove a piece of safety equipment while sat on my bike parked on a slippery garage forecourt with spilt diesel and sand everywhere with cars driving past me at close quarters? No, absolutely not."
"Well you can't have any petrol then."
"Fine, where's the next garage?"
"Oh....20 miles up the road!"
"Well now you've lost all credibility cos you're lying to me. There's one 3 miles away and you know it. I think you're lying about the rule as well. I want your name, I want your managers name and I want the area managers name and contact details."
And this fella turned purple.
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"What colour hair did the gentleman have that did a runner?"
"I don't know, he had a helmet on."
:)
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I used to work night shift at a gas station in the US and if you came into my store with a full face motorcycle helmet on I would sure as hell have asked you to take it off.
Ive stood in many a gas station drinking coffee , in full uniform, and unless its warm out I couldnt care less if someone is dressed like that. Plus I used to ride and know how cold it is on a bike.
It might surprise many of you but its unusual to have some knuckleheads rob one of these joints while masked. Rocket scientists they are not and its almost impossible for their pea brains to look farther into the future then the next jab into a vein. And Ive looked at many, many robbery videos. Many are at least smart enough to know a mask will draw attention.
So it depends. First thing you have to ask yourself is, is it cold out? 2nd is did you actually see the guy ride up on a bike?
In the end a gas station is PVT property so if they dont want to follow your rules then they can go elsewhere for gas or a pack of smokes.
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"What colour hair did the gentleman have that did a runner?"
"I don't know, he had a helmet on."
:)
I hate you Curv. :furious :D
ok, that's actually a logical reason. It's not a good reason.....but it is logical.
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Ive stood in many a gas station drinking coffee , in full uniform, and unless its warm out I couldnt care less if someone is dressed like that. Plus I used to ride and know how cold it is on a bike.
It might surprise many of you but its unusual to have some knuckleheads rob one of these joints while masked. Rocket scientists they are not and its almost impossible for their pea brains to look farther into the future then the next jab into a vein. And Ive looked at many, many robbery videos. Many are at least smart enough to know a mask will draw attention.
So it depends. First thing you have to ask yourself is, is it cold out? 2nd is did you actually see the guy ride up on a bike?
In the end a gas station is PVT property so if they dont want to follow your rules then they can go elsewhere for gas or a pack of smokes.
I agree that most robbers won't bother to wear a mask but I still preferred to see customers faces. I did however have somebody pull a beer run while wearing a motorcycle helmet. He grabbed two 24 packs and took off out the door pausing only to hand the beer to the guy on the back of his CBR600 who held it as they rode off.
Of course I don't really understand why anybody would have a problem with taking their helmet off in the first place. I don't think anybody ever gave me any flak about it when asked which is a minor miracle considering all the crap people went off the deep end about.
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I hate you Curv. :furious :D
ok, that's actually a logical reason. It's not a good reason.....but it is logical.
LOL
You KNOW I had to chime in.
We have the same silly rules here but only when you enter the station buiding itself. The cashier will tell you to take off your helmet no matter what. It is a power trip thing. They love to boss people around using silly rules as justification.
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Staff aren't given the option and it's not worth them losing their job just to give you the benefit of the doubt even for a flip top helmet. I always took my helmet off, no quibbling. We all know why and there are plenty of examples.
Also for me it's not worth making people nervous by making an issue of it. Being robbed is quite traumatic. The chances are some of them have already had that experience. I walked into the middle of an armed robbery once. You could see how terrifying it was for the people on the receiving end.
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Evidently using a helmet to kill two birds is pretty common in the parts of the third world that have electricity. As is using bikes for getaway vehicles. Of course where it's reasonably civilized one generally removes head wear when entering a building as a matter of etiquette. Decent people don't need to be told. You'll also find that correspondingly most gas stations located there don't really care since helmets don't protect the main body mass and few are bullet proof at any rate.
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LOL
You KNOW I had to chime in.
We have the same silly rules here but only when you enter the station buiding itself. The cashier will tell you to take off your helmet no matter what. It is a power trip thing. They love to boss people around using silly rules as justification.
:rolleyes:
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Of course I don't really understand why anybody would have a problem with taking their helmet off in the first place.
Cos it can take longer taking the helmet off and putting it back on again than it does to fill up and pay for the petrol. Especially if you wear glasses like I do....although that's mainly due to every single flat surface in a gas station pay window being covered with special price items and you can't take a helmet off one handed. Whenever you see an actor take a helmet off on TV the helmet is always 4 sizes too big for the guy...
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Cos it can take longer taking the helmet off and putting it back on again than it does to fill up and pay for the petrol. Especially if you wear glasses like I do....although that's mainly due to every single flat surface in a gas station pay window being covered with special price items and you can't take a helmet off one handed. Whenever you see an actor take a helmet off on TV the helmet is always 4 sizes too big for the guy...
So was Marco Simoncellis', died because of too much hair :bhead
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Well it was more having his helmet run over by Rossi but the sideshow bob haircut may well have contributed to the helmet coming off.....
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Cos it can take longer taking the helmet off and putting it back on again than it does to fill up and pay for the petrol. Especially if you wear glasses like I do....although that's mainly due to every single flat surface in a gas station pay window being covered with special price items and you can't take a helmet off one handed. Whenever you see an actor take a helmet off on TV the helmet is always 4 sizes too big for the guy...
If the attendant is standing behind three inches of plexiglass then I would say it shouldn't be a problem to leave the helmet on.
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Not in this country, pay desks are generally open....but then again, few people have access to firearms.
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The hair colour is one logical reason. Another might be surveillance cameras. They're mostly situated hanging from the roof, making any kind of a helmet cast a deep shadow over the face. It doesn't even have to do with robbery, someone paying with fake money is a crime too. I suppose someone could even be interested who actually is buying gas for a motorcycle that has been informed to be either stolen or crashed beyond repair and paid for by the insurance company.
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Well it was more having his helmet run over by Rossi but the sideshow bob haircut may well have contributed to the helmet coming off.....
Thats what the inquiry found, the helmet was so big to accomodate his barnet, which was more flexible than his skull, allowing the helmet to be rolled off his head forward. The tarmac did the rest. My head would have to come off my neck before my helmet came off my head, maybe because I have no hair :old:
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As regards taking my flip front off, the couple of times I have been screeched at by a pimply faced garage attendant I have simply gone elsewhere for fuel. People ordinarily don't steal bikes for joyriding, they are stolen to order, or to be stripped for parts, in which case I doubt they would attempt bilking. I have certainly not heard of it other than with stolen ratty old crossers.
Wonder what the outcome would be if the garage attendent refused to serve a burka toting driver until they revealed their face? :old:
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I wear a flip up front helmet when riding street, and I always flip up the front when fueling up, However, I will NOT remove the helmet entirely as long as I am sitting on the bike. A fall can kill/injure you jsut as badly as a crash at speed. On the bike? helmet is on 100%.
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Not in this country, pay desks are generally open....but then again, few people have access to firearms.
In this country the pay desks are generally open, but then again most people have access to firearms. The places in this country that have plexi-glass between the clerk and the patron is to prevent the "grab-n-go" thefts seen most commonly in the inner city/poor areas where there are strict gun laws. Ironic, isn't it. Chicago, New York, etc. You know, the cesspools of the United States that are inhabited by the worst examples our country can produce.
Come to places like where I live where people more often than not respect each other and crime is minimal. The types of people in areas where the pay desks are generally open vs "protected" are vastly different. It isn't the gun/knife/[insert] that does the crime, it is the **people**. There are far more guns per person in places where I live than in the examples above.
FWIW.... I always take my hemmit off when refueling. Always. I wear both an open face and full and regardless I always remove the hemmit when refueling and entering a building, and usually when chatting with other people. Courtesy, habit, and giving the head a rest and some fresh air are my reasons.
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I rode full time for a year but seattle weather eventually made me sell my motorcycle.
I always took my helmet off anytime I wasn't on the bike. I always thought the guys who walked in places with their helmets on looked like d-bags.
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I rode full time for a year but seattle weather eventually made me sell my motorcycle.
I always took my helmet off anytime I wasn't on the bike. I always thought the guys who walked in places with their helmets on looked like d-bags.
Entirely dependant on what they look like without a helmet :old:
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Entirely dependant on what they look like without a helmet :old:
beauty is only helmet deep :old:
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Of course, I forgot to add, 99% of the time, I don't enter the building when fuelling up, just pay at the pump. if I need to go inside the gas station, I will take the helmet off before going in...but, as I said, if my bellybutton is on the bike, then the helmet is on my head.
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I wear a flip up front helmet when riding street, and I always flip up the front when fueling up, However, I will NOT remove the helmet entirely as long as I am sitting on the bike. A fall can kill/injure you jsut as badly as a crash at speed. On the bike? helmet is on 100%.
I'm all about safety, but how is falling on a stationary bike any more of a risk than tripping walking down the sidewalk, with regard to head injuries? :headscratch:
Wiley.
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If a rider has one of those flip top helmets (full face but the whole front flips up so you can see his face).....should he still be required to take the helmet off when paying for petrol?
I worked for Total for over 5 years. It's frowned upon for have helmets on while filling as well. Not just for bilking fear;
I remember a chap getting knocked over because the helmet obscured his hearing and he stepped back into the path of a slow moving car.
Helmets are to be off before entering the shop to pay anyway, even in the guidelines for training the front flip up helmets we not exempt and the staff can prevent entry to the store until the instruction is followed to take it off.
But it really is dependant on the guy at the till, it is at his discretion whether to force the helmet off or not.
I knew the regulars well and never bothered them after an agreement for them to fill with their registration plate to the cameras.
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^ that is a good point, your vision + hearing is compromised.
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There is a local looney who wears one all year round near me :old:
He does not own motorbike :old:
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There is a local looney who wears one all year round near me :old:
He does not own motorbike :old:
OI Zack, I fall over a lot OK? I resemble the term looney :old:
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I like eccentrics you know where you are with them :old:
Its the normal ones I am suspicious of :old:
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Evidently using a helmet to kill two birds is pretty common in the parts of the third world that have electricity. As is using bikes for getaway vehicles. Of course where it's reasonably civilized one generally removes head wear when entering a building as a matter of etiquette. Decent people don't need to be told. You'll also find that correspondingly most gas stations located there don't really care since helmets don't protect the main body mass and few are bullet proof at any rate.
Wow, judgemental much?
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Would you walk into a bank with a Halloween mask on?
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I have never taken my helmet off at a gas station in Canada or the USA but it is not a full face one.
For those that take their helmet off, do you take your hat off when entering the gas station building?
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I have never taken my helmet off at a gas station in Canada or the USA but it is not a full face one.
For those that take their helmet off, do you take your hat off when entering the gas station building?
I've used a helmet for only one summer, driving a 50cc Java Automatic. But I was known for my hat for almost two decades. I always took it off inside. Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I consider wearing any kind of men's hat inside bad manners. Not to mention wearing a baseball cap while eating inside...
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Yeah that is a good point. It is the custom for gentlemen to remove their hat when stepping inside.
However.....imagine it's mid winter, 20 degrees outside, force 9 gale going on, you're walking from the bus stop to your front door with 4 bags of groceries and step inside a 7-11 to buy a newspaper.....would you take your woolly hat off?
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If I was wearing a ski mask, or had a scarf wrapped around my face, I would take it off.
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Whether it is a reasonable/logical request or not, I am fairly sure you just have to suck it up and comply with the rules of the establishment if you want to do business there. This applies to all kinds of businesses, not just service stations.
Throwing a tantrum at the lowly minion who is enforcing company policy or railing against the unfairness of the rule on the internet just seems childish to me.
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when I used to ride, I had a skull cap, and when I was on the bike, helmet was on my head, when my arse departed seat was off. But it does make sense to take a full face off before going in to store IMO kinda makes a person look lazy to not take it off as it is only a strap.
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Whether it is a reasonable/logical request or not, I am fairly sure you just have to suck it up and comply with the rules of the establishment if you want to do business there.
Absolutely. However....I will happily refuse to do business and go somewhere else as a matter of principle.
Throwing a tantrum at the lowly minion who is enforcing company policy or railing against the unfairness of the rule on the internet just seems childish to me.
Again, if the request is made politely then it will be refused politely. If the request is made as an order then.....well, the double figure IQ'd pillock who thinks he can order me around is about to be made a fool of. My local Tesco supermarket is a great example. They have a policy that bikers should remove helmets but it depends which security guard is on duty. The 5'2" 90lbs Indian security guard once came up to me and, politely, asked me to take the lid off to which I replied:
"Certainly, if you can tell me why." He stared at me blankly as if no-one had ever asked that question before so I thought I'd help him out and carried on "The usual reason is so CCTV can see my face....." waved a hand around in front of my perfectly visible face, gave him a questioning but friendly look.....then glanced over his shoulder and nodded towards the gaggle of bhurka clad women further down the aisle.....he glanced at them, looked back and me, smiled, nodded and walked off.
However, there's also a 6'2" 280lbs shaven headed MMA fighter type guard who also once came up to me and said "Take your helmet off."
"Sure, if you can tell me the reason."
"Cos I said so."
Now that.....was not the right thing to say.
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IMO kinda makes a person look lazy to not take it off as it is only a strap.
Actually.....no it isn't. See earlier post about what to do with everything you're carrying, glasses, gloves, scarf, etc. And if you're in supermarket quickly grabbing something for dinner, if you've got a bike helmet in one hand and a basket in the other, how do you take things from the shelves without putting the helmet on the floor every time? .....and in that event how to you ensure no steel toe capped wearing cretins kick it while it's there?
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Why don't you leave the helmet with the bike? I lock my mine to the bike with the lock I use on the front brake.
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Why don't you leave the helmet with the bike? I lock my mine to the bike with the lock I use on the front brake.
Because a 700 quid Arai Quantum is worth cutting the strap for and then paying a few pence for a replacement for some stealing little scrote.
And putting a heavy chain through the chin bar repeatedly will weaken it, not a place that I want to have weakened on a helmet when i am sliding along on my face.
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Why don't you leave the helmet with the bike? I lock my mine to the bike with the lock I use on the front brake.
Haven't got one. Or a helmet lock. As Danny said, my £800 Shuberth is worth cutting the strap for.
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Yeah that is a good point. It is the custom for gentlemen to remove their hat when stepping inside.
However.....imagine it's mid winter, 20 degrees outside, force 9 gale going on, you're walking from the bus stop to your front door with 4 bags of groceries and step inside a 7-11 to buy a newspaper.....would you take your woolly hat off?
Do you mean 20 fahrenheit? I don't use a hat when it's warm like that... And I would be using my car to carry the groceries, it's the wives here carrying bags and using the buses.
Joking aside, there's more difficult tasks to do than taking your hat off in your example:
- Pulling the 7-11 door open. OK, you can kick if it's a push type door, or just walk in if it's an automatic one.
- Picking the newspaper.
- Grabbing your wallet/pocket for the coin to pay for the newspaper.
- Getting out of the door. Again, depending on the opening direction or automation. With regular hinges you'd be in trouble one way or the other.
If you have to put any of the bags down for any of the tasks above, you could as well take your hat off.
Can't tell the reason why, but I think I've never seen any real bikers wear their helmets while off their bikes. Some 15 year old boys with their 50 cc mopeds may lift theirs up to their occiput, though, making them look like coneheads...
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Why don't you leave the helmet with the bike? I lock my mine to the bike with the lock I use on the front brake.
Um yeah, we know how you lock up your bike. :uhoh
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Can't tell the reason why, but I think I've never seen any real bikers wear their helmets while off their bikes.
That's mainly because it gets hot in a bike helmet when you're not moving.....unless it's an open face or flip top one. In the middle of July I ride along with the front flipped up....which incidentally also makes it much easier to smoke.
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Can't tell the reason why, but I think I've never seen any real bikers wear their helmets while off their bikes.
What exactly are those then?
Guys with 'live to ride, ride to live' tattoos all over them, a goattee beard and a complete inability to corner at anything over 25mph, but ample stories of peg scraping heroism :headscratch:
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Guys with 'live to ride, ride to live' tattoos all over them, a goattee beard and a complete inability to corner at anything over 25mph, but ample stories of peg scraping heroism :headscratch:
:rofl :D
:confused: Wait.....I have a goatee.
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I usually never take my helmet off when I get gas, but I usually park close enough to the pump that I don't even need to get off my bike, unless I want to stretch.
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What exactly are those then?
Guys with 'live to ride, ride to live' tattoos all over them, a goattee beard and a complete inability to corner at anything over 25mph, but ample stories of peg scraping heroism :headscratch:
Oh, I didn't think that far. For what I understand, real bikers ride real motorcycles. In my country also moped riders have to wear helmets, so the may look like bikers although the max 50cc ride isn't a real motorcycle. On the other hand even a bicycle can be called a bike, thus bicyclists would be bikers, too, wouldn't they? Many of them also wear helmets and I've seen some people shopping for groceries wearing a bicycle helmet. A 250 lbs 5 ft tall middle aged male sure looks scary in his trench and bicycle helmet...
Hummm... let's say real bikers ride motorcycles which are allowed only for grown ups with an adequate driver's license . Satisfied with that?
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I rarely ever take my helmet off when fuelling up and have never been asked to by an attendant. I find it's a longer process to take off and put on the helmet than to fuel the bike. Although I always just pay at the pump unless I want to grab a drink or snack. If I do go inside I will take it off. I just find it difficult and uncomfortable to walk around inside with it on. It's already hard enough to walk around with my riding boots.
That being said, I have seen other riders go into gas stations, grocery stores, and even banks with their helmets still on and have never seen anyone ask them to remove the helmets. I live in Edmonton (northern Canada). It's possible that I just have witnessed it, but I didn't even think about it being an issue until reading this thread.
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I usually never take my helmet off when I get gas, but I usually park close enough to the pump that I don't even need to get off my bike, unless I want to stretch.
There is a reason, like a hot engine beneath the gas tank, one should get off when refueling.
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Because a 700 quid Arai Quantum is worth cutting the strap for and then paying a few pence for a replacement for some stealing little scrote.
I wouldnt know my helmet was $15 at a swap meet, and if I were concerned about it I would also own a set of saddlebags to put stuff in and lock up. hahahaha "real bikers" the 1%ers a joke, its not what you ride its THAT you ride and when you ride, ride hard :cheers: :rock
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"Wow, judgemental much?"
All the time. Hence my habit of profiting from the predictability of human nature.
"my helmet was $15 at a swap meet"
How's that old chestnut go...? $15 head...
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If you want to ride with a helmet? Do it. If you choose not to ride with a helmet? Don't. Do we really need a law? Why? I'm going to be generous and say your head is 10% of your body. If you crash your bike the other 90% of your body is screwed. Let the boys decide.I don't ride my Harley with a helmet, Why would this bother you?
Ride to live! Live to ride! If you see me riding please give me give me some room, I think reaction time is more valuable than the helmet.
Just my thoughts, spammer out!
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judgemental? no I was not being judgemental, unless you are referring to my "real bikers" comment, I cant stand the "real bikers" who think if you dont ride a Harley you are scum of earth. I had 2 full face helmets, both were $400, they were both heavy and uncomfortable so I got rid of them, and bought something which was more comfortable to ride all day in. I was simply saying if I was worried about someone stealing my expensive helmet, I would buy a set of locking bags to lock it in so I didnt have to carry it inside stores.
If you want to ride with a helmet? Do it. If you choose not to ride with a helmet? Don't. Do we really need a law? Why? I'm going to be generous and say your head is 10% of your body. If you crash your bike the other 90% of your body is screwed. Let the boys decide.I don't ride my Harley with a helmet, Why would this bother you?
Ride to live! Live to ride! If you see me riding please give me give me some room, I think reaction time is more valuable than the helmet.
agree with this 100%
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If you want to ride with a helmet? Do it. If you choose not to ride with a helmet? Don't. Do we really need a law? Why? I'm going to be generous and say your head is 10% of your body. If you crash your bike the other 90% of your body is screwed. Let the boys decide.I don't ride my Harley with a helmet, Why would this bother you?
Ride to live! Live to ride! If you see me riding please give me give me some room, I think reaction time is more valuable than the helmet.
Just my thoughts, spammer out!
the reason they require a helmet is so all of you guys that think are too bad donut can have a complete face so your relatives can have an open casket at your funeral. they can fake the other 90% of your body with paper.
semp
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There is a reason, like a hot engine beneath the gas tank, one should get off when refueling.
My first bike (Ninja 650) was like that. The Connie? Not so much. They improved the cooling drastically between the gen 1 and gen 2 Concours 14. I've never been uncomfortable on it because of engine heat.
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Can't remember the last time I was asked to remove my flip front. ( Nolan 90). I think there may have been a time just after the practice of requiring helmets off for id purposes when staff were confused.
The real test has been passport control at channel ports. Flipping the front has always been sufficient there, whilst full face solids have had to be removed.
Motor cycle groups are quite effective. I remember a petrol stop that got black listed by several midland biker groups due to one very pedantic member of staff. ( although the repeated incident had nothing to do with helmets)
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There is a reason, like a hot engine beneath the gas tank, one should get off when refueling.
The VTR has no centre stand so to get a full tank, which is only a thimble full anyway, you have to be sat astride it and holding it vertical. :old:
The Pan European has an access to the fuel filler under the dummy tank via a hatch near your crotch, so it's impossible to fill that other than off the bike :old:
A shut down engine would have to be seriously hot to reach the auto ignition point of gasoline, about 275 degrees Celcius IIRC. Although the flash point is considerably lower :old:
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my £800 Shuberth
Snob :old:
Jealous :cry
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There is a reason, like a hot engine beneath the gas tank, one should get off when refueling.
Only if you're riding an air cooled 1946 tractor you haven't serviced in 10 years. Modern bikes will quite happily not burst into flames when filling up with petrol and unless you've got a centre stand you can't fill the tank completely if you're not sat on it while fueling.
I once even had a demand (again, at a BP station) to get off the bike while filling up. I explained that'll lower my tank range by 15 miles (it's only 120 as it is) but this teenage wench behind the counter just kept sticking the same line......in the finish I went back to the bike, waited for her to turn the pump on, got back on the bike and filled up.....went back into the garage and said "What are you going to do, refuse to take payment?"
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If you want to ride with a helmet? Do it. If you choose not to ride with a helmet? Don't. Do we really need a law? Why? I'm going to be generous and say your head is 10% of your body. If you crash your bike the other 90% of your body is screwed. Let the boys decide.I don't ride my Harley with a helmet, Why would this bother you?
Ride to live! Live to ride! If you see me riding please give me give me some room, I think reaction time is more valuable than the helmet.
Just my thoughts, spammer out!
You haven't read this thread have you?
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Motor cycle groups are quite effective. I remember a petrol stop that got black listed by several midland biker groups due to one very pedantic member of staff. ( although the repeated incident had nothing to do with helmets)
Do tell....
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Snob :old:
Jealous :cry
lol
Mate, honestly I walked out of the bike shop staring at the receipt thinking "What the hell have I just done? £800!!! Christ alive..."
I love the built in bluetooth though. Music (perfectly clear at 120mph, don't ask how I know), radio, satnav.....although, cos it's a German made lid, the little computerised voice has a slight Gestapo twang to it. It's the little things you notice, like instead of saying
"Make a legal U-turn." the system says
"YOU VILL GO BACK UND DO IT AGAIN!"
The only thing I don't like about it is the pinlock is too low in the visor. I'm a ZX-10R pilot so it's an arse up, head down riding position and I tend to look out of the very top of the visor.
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"YOU VILL GO BACK UND DO IT AGAIN!"
:rofl
Always wanted a ZX12r, had a Blackbird which was fantastic but the ZX12 in Kwacker green was definately one to aspire to. Maybe one day :pray
Nearly bought an X11 after a test ride. Now that is an under appreciated machine :old:
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I once even had a demand (again, at a BP station) to get off the bike while filling up. I explained that'll lower my tank range by 15 miles (it's only 120 as it is) but this teenage wench behind the counter just kept sticking the same line......in the finish I went back to the bike, waited for her to turn the pump on, got back on the bike and filled up.....went back into the garage and said "What are you going to do, refuse to take payment?"
Swoop your attitude is unreasonable. I myself would have you sat their without the pump on until you comply or go home an never came back.
Fuel sells itself, even small town outlets sell 60,000 to 80,000 litres a month. As you can see the loss of one customers 20litres and poor attitude really wont trouble the place.
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Do tell....
Was re sitting on the bike whilst re fuelling. (Morrisons Leominster)......
Was being done two abreast at the pump.
But she was behaving like an arse threatening all sort s of toejam.
Actually it is a bit dumb as it usually drains away as soon as you put it on the side stand. Plus petrol spilt over the croch is not fun.
It got posted across a few boards ( to discover she was somewhat infamous) and the shell garage next to the diner down the road enjoyed exclusive biker business for a while afterwards.
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Swoop your attitude is unreasonable. I myself would have you sat their without the pump on until you comply or go home an never came back.
I really don't think it's unreasonable to ignore a daft rule made by people who've never ridden a bike and have no clue of the effect it has. 10% less tank range is a noticeable effect. Plus it's actually more difficult to fill a bike when not sat on it, I'd explain why but I have a feeling it'll be dismissed by anyone who has never done it and doesn't know. Imagine a rule was introduced insisting all car drivers had to pull up to the pump with the petrol filler cap on the far side of the car by someone who only rides a bicycle, yeah that'd get obeyed.
Tilt.....in 25 years of biking I have never spilt petrol over my crotch. Be honest now....it's a fetish, right?
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In the state of Pennsylvania, a man can ride on a motorcycle without a helmet. :uhoh
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/kenny-motorcycle-trick2.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/kenny-motorcycle-trick2.jpg.html)
But a man on a bicycle is legally required to wear one. :rolleyes:
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/weenie-in-chief-on-bicycle.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/weenie-in-chief-on-bicycle.jpg.html)
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Plus it's actually more difficult to fill a bike when not sat on it, I'd explain why but I have a feeling it'll be dismissed by anyone who has never done it and doesn't
Tilt.....in 25 years of biking I have never spilt petrol over my crotch. Be honest now....it's a fetish, right?
I always get off. I think the ease of filling is bike dependant. On my Speed Triple the cap is literally 4" from my crotch and yes I have had blow back whilst filling more than once. Once on a biking holiday in Portugal a faulty nozzle blew back and sprayed my ( then) near new Halvarssons..... I spent the rest of the day riding in 30 degree heat stinking of petrol......... And had them stink out the bathroom of the hotel where I showered them down. If I'd been sitting on the bike it would have been soaking my crotch which is seriously not funny.
I have seen many bikes filled when vertical, dribble on the forecourt when the rider goes to pay. I think from a safety view point it's a more reasonable "rule" than being pedantic over flip front helmets.
Would be better if there was just a 50p surcharge when a driver or rider wets the forecourt with fuel.
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Here in Iowa most of us just leave our helmets in the garage (if we own one at all). Unless it's cold out. When I rode I rarely wore one unless it was too cold out to be comfortable without one.
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i was surprised the last time i went to Germany and had to pay for gas at the counter. This whole thread is based on the fact that most Europeans don't use credit cards and are more paranoid then the US. of course living in a semi-police state helps. personally, i never take my helmet off when i pay for gas on my motorcycle, but then again, i dont live in europe.
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Has Pennsylvania motorcycle man signed his donor card? Least he can do, as some folks value life more than he does.
"Can we have your liver?"
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Has Pennsylvania motorcycle man signed his donor card? Least he can do, as some folks value life more than he does.
"Can we have your liver?"
"But I'm using it."
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/The-Meaning-of-Life-monty-python-17865201-852-480.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/The-Meaning-of-Life-monty-python-17865201-852-480.jpg.html)
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Has Pennsylvania motorcycle man signed his donor card? Least he can do, as some folks value life more than he does.
"Can we have your liver?"
ever been to PA? seen how much they drink? not much of liver left.
semp
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"But I'm using it."
(http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/The-Meaning-of-Life-monty-python-17865201-852-480.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/The-Meaning-of-Life-monty-python-17865201-852-480.jpg.html)
Heheheh, that's the one.
Doesn't have to be liver, plenty of other bits and pieces to be used.
The whole thing's sad really: as I understand it, simply smashing one's head open on the pavement doesn't allow one's organs to be donated, they have to be able to get you to the hospital before you expire, hook you up to life support, then get life support turned off before they can check for uninjured organs which can be used. Grieving family, worst decision in the world, "at least he'll be helping someone." All for the wind in the hair.
<shrug> what do I know, I feel about a thousand years old.
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This whole thread is based on the fact that most Europeans don't use credit cards and are more paranoid then the US.
It is?
Strange that cos I haven't paid for petrol with cash since around 1994....
What it's more about is that I've only ever found 1 garage in Britain that has a pay-at-the-pump system working. The reason for that is not cos Britain is a technological backwater....but garages don't make that much of a margin on petrol, the real money is in all the things inside the garage (hence why most garages have mini-supermarkets tacked on these days). The garage owner *wants* you to go inside to pay.....and also buy a magazine....and a sandwich....and this 4 speed hedge trimmer on special offer....etc.
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So GB is part of Europe now. :devil
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So GB is part of Europe now. :devil
What are you talking about? It always has been....we've been invaded by most of em over the years, although not for the last 1000. The British are made up of Romans (Italians), Saxons (from Saxony - Germany), Angles (somewhere close), Normans (Viking tribe that invaded France), Danish and Celts (indiginous population).
We're European whether we like it or not.
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Swoop,face it you didnt want to take the helmet off because you didnt want anyone to see your helmet head hair!
Carly Simon did a song about that!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY1N40fN7e0
Ok so I thought Carly was alittle too old school! :devil
:salute
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Swoop,face it you didnt want to take the helmet off because you didnt want anyone to see your helmet head hair!
That is absolutely a contributing factor.... :)
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We're European whether we like it or not.
So are most Americans :D
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That is absolutely a contributing factor.... :)
Been there done that! :D It's been years since I rode but I always wore a full face helmet. You only need to slide once on your face to learn to appreciate the protection of a full face helmet. I actually snapped the chin piece off my helmet trying to do a handstand on the handle bars.
I dont ever recall being asked to take off my helmet,but things were much different back then,no CCTV for sure.
I've actually been toying with the idea of building a bike,how does a bigbore single enduro turned into a bobber style sound? Wanted to use an old airhead BMW but the cost of a reasonable starting bike has gone through the roof. Been looking at 650 enduros instead,one of those 800 cc BMW's would be nice but again the cost is more than I can justify.
:salute
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We're European whether we like it or not.
".................. and generally............ We don't
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What are you talking about? It always has been....we've been invaded by most of em over the years, although not for the last 1000. The British are made up of Romans (Italians), Saxons (from Saxony - Germany), Angles (somewhere close), Normans (Viking tribe that invaded France), Danish and Celts (indiginous population).
We're European whether we like it or not.
"Do you have any European in you?"
"No..."
"Want some? "
:D
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"Do you have any European in you?"
"No..."
"Want some? "
:D
Does the wife know you swing that way?
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Does the wife know you swing that way?
Wait till the Lacrosse team finds out. :O
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Has Pennsylvania motorcycle man signed his donor card? Least he can do, as some folks value life more than he does.
"Can we have your liver?"
No motorcycle rider should be an organ donor. If you have a wreck a lot of doctors will just part you out to those they deem more deserving of life.
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".................. and generally............ We don't
Unfortunately, these days, us anti-European types are in the minority.
Did you know, in London now, white English people are a officially a minority group?
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No motorcycle rider should be an organ donor. If you have a wreck a lot of doctors will just part you out to those they deem more deserving of life.
Yeah, if I had a dime for every time I read about one of the medicos down here just parcelling out organs from crash survivors with no permission or oversight, I'd be a rich man.
Oh no, wait, I'd be flat broke.
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No motorcycle rider should be an organ donor. If you have a wreck a lot of doctors will just part you out to those they deem more deserving of life.
Bikers are considered down there with alcoholics, drug takers and various other pursuants of such activities that put a demand on our national health service. A physio freind of ours who has works at two local hospitals advises us that bikers are quite often ( in moments of dark humour) re feed to as organ donors.
Not due to any clandestine plot to rid bikers of body parts....... But because that by % of RTA's they are the most prolific .
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Bikers are considered down there with alcoholics, drug takers and various other pursuants of such activities that put a demand on our national health service. A physio freind of ours who has works at two local hospitals advises us that bikers are quite often ( in moments of dark humour) re feed to as organ donors.
Not due to any clandestine plot to rid bikers of body parts....... But because that by % of RTA's they are the most prolific .
When I was in hospital after a bike crash (non fault on my part) I heard motorcyclist referred to as "PODS" - Potential Organ Donors :confused:
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Stephen Fry once told a story on QI that a friend of his needed something, cant remember what, was at the hospital and was told by a consultant that they didn't have any spare whatevers at the moment....."but it's raining so it shouldn't be long."
This thread is drifting off topic slowly....
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Unfortunately, these days, us anti-European types are in the minority.
Did you know, in London now, white English people are a officially a minority group?
When I visited London some 25 years ago, I believe I didn't meet any native Englishmen of any colour. The hotel clerk and the breakfast girl were Polish, the room cleaners from Gambia and New Guinea, the opposite shopkeeper from Pakistan, the nearby laundry girls from Lithuania just to mention a few. And the Pizza Hut waitress who forgot my pizza on the desk might have been a Finn by her behaviour. Although we saw someone who looked like princess Diana walking across the street... Whomever they were, no one was wearing a helmet, though.
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Di was on her way to my room at the Savoy :x
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"Harry, I AM your father..."