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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: diaster on April 10, 2014, 02:01:18 PM
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I know this has been gone over more than a few times... But Hi-Tech, please make a landing legit if it is on the confines of the base. I dead sticked into my field, made a very difficult landing and as I rolled to the side of the runway (that's when i noticed the usb failure on my pedals) I Missed landing quit a few kills, record for me btw and got a ditch. Undamaged plane on my field one foot to the side of the runway and its a ditch! as a note,w e are sorta simulating WWII, they had very few runways and back to base was back to base. Landing in town is more of a ditch (didn't make it to base) but on a city street its considered landing... weird and frustrating
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HiTech has stated many times that it's not going to change.
ack-ack
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A game requires certain aspects to be completed to score.
Playing like real life?.........
You got your plane stuck in the mud off the runway now some ground crew instead of repairing damaged aircraft has to fire up the fork truck and get you unstuck. Just be happy they don't stick you in a desk job while some noob gets your ride.
:ahand
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As long and wide as the runway is, if you can't keep it on the pavement, you deserve the ditch.
This is something that can be practiced in the TA or offline. Practice wheels up landings on runways and carrier decks.
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If inside the airfield is a 'good landing', the runways will be for decoration, people will just smash to earth anywhere in the square and not have to worry about it. Actually putting down on the concrete means you were pretty much in control of your plane on landing. It's a reasonable requirement for the perk bonus/name in lights.
Wiley.
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very close to being a #3
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If people weren't so concerned about their scores the game would be a whole lot more enjoyable to play.
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Where's the runway?
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This would be something easy to change I would think. Changing the small and medium fields to grass with a "good" landing determined by proximity (which is already in the game for other purposes) would make things more realistic and offer more variety in field types being both grass and other materials (ie: concrete or steel mesh, etc).
Putting my wheels on the concrete path at a VH base for a "good" landing is ridiculous :old:
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Rule #15 - David Wales wish/spam
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Where's the runway?
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Putting my wheels on the concrete path at a VH base for a "good" landing is ridiculous
Fine for 1940. By 1943 everyone (except for those at Horsham St. Faith) was using concrete runways. Wiley's correct, there's no need to bother modeling runways at all if anything inside the base perimeter counts as a good landing.
- oldman
"Hey, that guy just landed on the bomb depot!"
"Looked good to me. Could we put lights there so he could land it at night?"
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As long and wide as the runway is, if you can't keep it on the pavement, you deserve the ditch.
This is something that can be practiced in the TA or offline. Practice wheels up landings on runways and carrier decks.
the aircraft has wheels? I thought they fell off after take off :) belly land every time it's faster..just be sure you're slow enough other wise you go BOOM!! :cheers:
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If inside the airfield is a 'good landing', the runways will be for decoration, people will just smash to earth anywhere in the square and not have to worry about it.
and then they'll complain when they land "a couple feet" outside of the field itself.
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I am of the opinion that a wheels up landing on the strip should count as a ditch. In reality, a wheels up landing would likely take a strip out of commission for a while too.
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I am of the opinion that a wheels up landing on the strip should count as a ditch. In reality, a wheels up landing would likely take a strip out of commission for a while too.
Landing gear is overrated
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I know this has been gone over more than a few times... But Hi-Tech, please make a landing legit if it is on the confines of the base.
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With out the challenge , landing a damaged aircraft on a runway would not provide any ward. Look at the damaged b17 screen shots that some people showed stopped on a runway. With out the requirement that they stop on a runway , the feeling of accomplishment they received would not be there.
HiTech
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The best is when you come in broken, can't fly at landing speed, you pull power as you black out, hear the crash, and you don't know if you made the runway. Then you find out you did.
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As long and wide as the runway is, if you can't keep it on the pavement, you deserve the ditch.
This is something that can be practiced in the TA or offline. Practice wheels up landings on runways and carrier decks.
like i said, i touched down and on the rollout it veered to the right, obviously i tried the left rudder and that is when i noticed the usb conflict. i can fly a plane and land one lol been doing it for real for 16 years now... really lol
and the other sarcastic comment. it didn't get stuck it rolled gently to a stop. i would got out and pushed if i could lol
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No.
With out the challenge , landing a damaged aircraft on a runway would not provide any ward. Look at the damaged b17 screen shots that some people showed stopped on a runway. With out the requirement that they stop on a runway , the feeling of accomplishment they received would not be there.
HiTech
i agree with that comment in many ways, I landed a b26 with no elevator or rudder and one aileron, throttle and flap management got me on the runway! however i have had maybe two or three of those miracles and many disappointments lol. FYI this time my plane was undamaged, just engine quit prior to touch down due to fuel starvation. I am trying to figure out the usb thing. got a 262 ditch once about a year ago, cost me 200+ perkys for rolling off the right side as well. seems planes with symetrical thrust still roll to the side when no power is applied
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You did not miss landing the kills. You still landed the same amount. That in itself should be satisfying. What you did miss was your name in the buffer. But you already knew how many you had.
This game is incredibly fun if you play it for youself, how you want and when. Now I agree, pretty cool getting a lot of kills and making it home for the big landing. But it isn't the only cool thing.
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The best is when you come in broken, can't fly at landing speed, you pull power as you black out, hear the crash, and you don't know if you made the runway. Then you find out you did.
You can almost hear the drumroll in ur head :rofl
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As long and wide as the runway is, if you can't keep it on the pavement, you deserve the ditch.
This is something that can be practiced in the TA or offline. Practice wheels up landings on runways and carrier decks.
Donkey Crap
You land a shot up plane with a busted motor and wounded pilot, doubt the ground crew would've complained. Quit attempting to illicit a response
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Just in case you missed this earlier, the answer is............
No.
HiTech
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Just in case you missed this earlier, the answer is............
All well and good, HT says no, thats fine, does not however detract from the essence of my point.
Maybe if a guy lands an undamaged plane and scoots off the runway onto the grass he gets a ditch, as in RL he would have ended up with a bollocking.
A guy lands a badly shot up aircraft with a wounded pilot and scoot of the runway onto the grass then he gets a landing, doesn't seem that unreasonable to me really. :old:
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All well and good, HT says no, thats fine, does not however detract from the essence of my point.
Maybe if a guy lands an undamaged plane and scoots off the runway onto the grass he gets a ditch, as in RL he would have ended up with a bollocking.
A guy lands a badly shot up aircraft with a wounded pilot and scoot of the runway onto the grass then he gets a landing, doesn't seem that unreasonable to me really. :old:
In a scenario that would likely count as a landing. In arena game play it's part of the score competition to end flight on concrete.
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In a scenario that would likely count as a landing. In arena game play it's part of the score competition to end flight on concrete.
So the facility is there to do this? Thank you for that Sir, I didn't know that in a scenario that would count. Have to say that is cool :old:
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In a scenario that would likely count as a landing. In arena game play it's part of the score competition to end flight on concrete.
No, it's a ditch in FSO's at least, pretty sure scenarios too. There is no gray area, either you are on the concrete or you are off the concrete. So many wishes try to make it easier. This is one of those. Come on guys, rise to the challenge, learn from your failures and try harder next time.
I absolutely love the struggle to get a damaged bird home. I've flown leaky radiators 4 sectors to land after switching engine on and off to make sure she wouldn't lock up. The greater the challenge, the greater the satisfaction in success.
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Zoney when you score a scenario you have the option of counting the ditch that AH sees as a landing for the scenario scoring. It isn't the AH scoring that changes, it's just how you count it that allows a more historical experience.
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Aircraft and GVs aside, I would like to see landing a PT boat a little easier. As far as I can tell, only at a port or in middle of the cv group are the only sure ways to land in a PT boat successfully.
<S> - Hetzer
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Zoney when you score a scenario you have the option of counting the ditch that AH sees as a landing for the scenario scoring. It isn't the AH scoring that changes, it's just how you count it that allows a more historical experience.
Thank you sir, I stand humbly corrected.
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No.
With out the challenge , landing a damaged aircraft on a runway would not provide any ward. Look at the damaged b17 screen shots that some people showed stopped on a runway. With out the requirement that they stop on a runway , the feeling of accomplishment they received would not be there.
HiTech
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:D
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Thank you sir, I stand humbly corrected.
You were correct for AH arena scoring. Scenario scoring is based on the event log and scenario rules.
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No, it's a ditch in FSO's at least, pretty sure scenarios too. There is no gray area, either you are on the concrete or you are off the concrete. So many wishes try to make it easier. This is one of those. Come on guys, rise to the challenge, learn from your failures and try harder next time.
I absolutely love the struggle to get a damaged bird home. I've flown leaky radiators 4 sectors to land after switching engine on and off to make sure she wouldn't lock up. The greater the challenge, the greater the satisfaction in success.
I love the struggle of getting a damaged bird home too, but for the sake of a bit of realism, if it's shot to crap and leaking from a thousand holes, with half the undercarriage gone, I think that as long as your initial touchdown is on concrete, you get the landing.
Most guys landed on grass fields anyway :old:
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Donkey Crap
You land a shot up plane with a busted motor and wounded pilot, doubt the ground crew would've complained. Quit attempting to illicit a response
It's elicit.
If you're going to use fancy words, spell them correctly.
Besides, if I wanted a response, I'd have asked a question. I only stated fact. The runway is plenty wide and plenty long. If you can't land on it then you need more practice. When damaged, wheels up landing is your best bet.
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It's elicit.
If you're going to use fancy words, spell them correctly.
Besides, if I wanted a response, I'd have asked a question. I only stated fact. The runway is plenty wide and plenty long. If you can't land on it then you need more practice. When damaged, wheels up landing is your best bet.
It's 'pedant'
I was referring to the once in a blue moon when a beat up landing happens, yes I made a grammatical error, however I used the wrong spelling of the word, I did not spell it incorrectly, and I am a bit of a grammar Narrzie, it's late, I'm tired and drunk, and you need to read a little more if you believe that either elicit or illicit are fancy words :old:
Regards
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You did not miss landing the kills. You still landed the same amount. That in itself should be satisfying. What you did miss was your name in the buffer.
This.
- oldman
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Where's the runway?
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This would be something easy to change I would think. Changing the small and medium fields to grass with a "good" landing determined by proximity (which is already in the game for other purposes) would make things more realistic and offer more variety in field types being both grass and other materials (ie: concrete or steel mesh, etc).
Putting my wheels on the concrete path at a VH base for a "good" landing is ridiculous :old:
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Fine for 1940. By 1943 everyone (except for those at Horsham St. Faith) was using concrete runways. Wiley's correct, there's no need to bother modeling runways at all if anything inside the base perimeter counts as a good landing.
- oldman
"Hey, that guy just landed on the bomb depot!"
"Looked good to me. Could we put lights there so he could land it at night?"
Really? Where did those 163s land???
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So an airplane skids down the runway shedding parts and winds up inverted on a taxiway. Landing.
Meanwhile a perfectly intact plane lands with the left main an inch off the runway. Ditch.
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That makes sense. Well, no, actually it doesn't. :bolt:
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So an airplane skids down the runway shedding parts and winds up inverted on a taxiway. Landing.
Meanwhile a perfectly intact plane lands with the left main an inch off the runway. Ditch.
:confused:
That makes sense. Well, no, actually it doesn't. :bolt:
Maybe HTC could model it so if you 'land' on the base you get a few %'s knocked off than if you landed on the runway. No name in lights. If you land on runway, then you get name in lights and your bonus perkies.
I see what you mean, and that does bother me. However, many take this as a 'name in the lights' wish, just because the 'name in the lights' is a 'reward' for landing on the runway. Personally, unless I do something really spectacular, I couldn't careless about my name in the lights.
But that's just me :D
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An off-airport landing without damage is not a ditch. Ditching is what you do in the water. Landing off airport wheels up is a far cry from landing a perfectly undamaged plane an inch left of the runway edge.
Why a ditch in real life is in the water instead of in the dirt is beyond me in terms of language....but the point remains.
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Maybe HTC could model it so if you 'land' on the base you get a few %'s knocked off than if you landed on the runway. No name in lights. If you land on runway, then you get name in lights and your bonus perkies.
I see what you mean, and that does bother me. However, many take this as a 'name in the lights' wish, just because the 'name in the lights' is a 'reward' for landing on the runway. Personally, unless I do something really spectacular, I couldn't careless about my name in the lights.
But that's just me :D
Maybe he could, but as hard as it is to get things changed around here....I won't hold my breath.
As people keep telling me, it's his pond. I am merely a tadpole trying to become a frog....
I guess at this point I am just grateful a game like this still exists. Rearranging deck chairs isn't productive. May as well fight in the arena while it is here... I don't imagine ENY, Sideswitch, or Ditch rules will ever change, no matter how logical such things are.
In any event... Remember these days, gents. Someday we will miss them.
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An off-airport landing without damage is not a ditch. Ditching is what you do in the water. Landing off airport wheels up is a far cry from landing a perfectly undamaged plane an inch left of the runway edge.
what if the entire field counted for a landing and you landed an inch off of the field?
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what if the entire field counted for a landing and you landed an inch off of the field?
That would be stupid, too, to a degree.
Crashing an airplane and spinning off onto the taxiway minus every part is a "ditch" more so than rolling off the runway or base by an inch with an intact aircraft.
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I am of the opinion that a wheels up landing on the strip should count as a ditch. In reality, a wheels up landing would likely take a strip out of commission for a while too.
Must...resist...urge to...land...upside-down!
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That would be stupid, too, to a degree.
Crashing an airplane and spinning off onto the taxiway minus every part is a "ditch" more so than rolling off the runway or base by an inch with an intact aircraft.
But if you look at it from a gameplay perspective, it makes a bit more sense. If it were more 'logical', and your smashed up plane was only going to get a 'ditch' if you RTB shot up no matter where you put it on the runway, what's the point of RTBing? Same reward if you just get over the halfway line between enemy and friendly bases and ditch in the woods.
It's gamey. The entire system for RTBing is gamey, solely there to get your name in lights and the perk/score bonuses that go with it. Essentially it's saying you were more or less in control of your aircraft when you got back to base, little to do with real world logic.
Wiley.
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Hard to argue against that I guess....
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Where's the runway?
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This would be something easy to change I would think. Changing the small and medium fields to grass with a "good" landing determined by proximity (which is already in the game for other purposes) would make things more realistic and offer more variety in field types being both grass and other materials (ie: concrete or steel mesh, etc).
Putting my wheels on the concrete path at a VH base for a "good" landing is ridiculous :old:
dude if you want grass fields to land on and takeoff on-then land on the grass and roll to the runway---if you want to take off on grass then roll off runway and take off on the grass field.
most american airfields had concrete or metal mesh runways....plus there is no reason to have grass fields when we already have concrete runways
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dude if you want grass fields to land on and takeoff on-then land on the grass and roll to the runway---if you want to take off on grass then roll off runway and take off on the grass field.
most american airfields had concrete or metal mesh runways....plus there is no reason to have grass fields when we already have concrete runways
I didn't realize this was an American-only game. Plenty of Luftwaffe rides I see to go along with Spit I and Hurri I types.....
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Its a game and the rule for a good landing is landing on the runway, not an inch off. Much like 3 of a kind beats 2 pair in poker, its the rule.
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Its a game and the rule for a good landing is landing on the runway, not an inch off. Much like 3 of a kind beats 2 pair in poker, its the rule.
as has been said, there has to be a line, and our line is concrete.. :aok
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If your not worried about score ,,then any ditch that doesn't result in a kill logged is good enough,,
The game does however register a score and for that score to work, you must play by the rules,, landing on concrete is one of those rules!