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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Drane on April 13, 2014, 07:48:23 AM
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This is a beaten topic for sure.
In arena players that are inactive cause grief to active players when ENY is high for their country. Especially during off peak hours.
Could there be a way for players to initiate a command to start a routine that would try to establish communication with a player who is inactive and in tower or flight (manned gun/gv/pt boat/plane - possibly sitting on ground)?
Something that runs low priority that would not cause problems with game play.
If no response within certain time frame, player is booted.
and...BOOM...ENY adjusts to realistic number!
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+1
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-100 so now you want to punish players for taking a break to rest,eat, bathroom break etc... not cool man
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-100 so now you want to punish players for taking a break to rest,eat, bathroom break etc... not cool man
No not at all. Guess I could see people trolling names to catch afk bombers too.
See how difficult a solution is to find. Could there be a good time frame that doesn't screw legit folks?
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-1000 I've gone AFK for over an hour climbing in 29s. If your plan is put in place I would have been booted :mad:
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So figure out the maximum reasonable amount of time for someone to reach the service ceiling , add 15 minutes, and boot them.
Wiley.
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-1000 I've gone AFK for over an hour climbing in 29s. If your plan is put in place I would have been booted :mad:
Not a bomber pilot and didn't consider that. My apologies. Next time will wait to think things through more before posting.
I'm trying to throw out ideas that can be built upon to create something the community can agree to that will help the situation. Maybe there's a way to do this and not grief active players. Maybe not.
I most often fly planes not affected by eny so doesn't bother me personally.
But off-peak hours players deserve to have fun too. What can we do?
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So figure out the maximum reasonable amount of time for someone to reach the service ceiling , add 15 minutes, and boot them.
Wiley.
Reasonable is relative.
Is eny effected by those in the tower? If so, I could see booting tower sitters after 45 min, not folks in planes, trains, and automobiles.
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+1
But only for players in the tower. Even if you're climbing afk in a bomber or sitting in a tank you shouldn't be kicked, you're actually playing!
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But only for players in the tower. Even if you're climbing afk in a bomber or sitting in a tank you shouldn't be kicked, you're actually playing!
I agree. A big part of tank hunting is sitting still with your engine off listening and watching. So it should be situational based on who is just sitting in the tower or perhaps in a aircraft just parked on the runway doing nothing.
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Not a bomber pilot and didn't consider that. My apologies. Next time will wait to think things through more before posting.
I'm trying to throw out ideas that can be built upon to create something the community can agree to that will help the situation. Maybe there's a way to do this and not grief active players. Maybe not.
I most often fly planes not affected by eny so doesn't bother me personally.
But off-peak hours players deserve to have fun too. What can we do?
Just be more specific :D I wouldn't have said anything if you said "in the tower or in a gun only". :)
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This is a beaten topic for sure.
In arena players that are inactive cause grief to active players when ENY is high for their country. Especially during off peak hours.
Could there be a way for players to initiate a command to start a routine that would try to establish communication with a player who is inactive and in tower or flight (manned gun/gv/pt boat/plane - possibly sitting on ground)?
Something that runs low priority that would not cause problems with game play.
If no response within certain time frame, player is booted.
and...BOOM...ENY adjusts to realistic number!
I think if they are afk in the tower for more than an hour. Or afk in a manned gun for more than an hour (no shooting for over an hour) then sure. However, those who are afk in gv's or planes are valid targets, and are vulnerable to enemy fire.. unlike those in the tower.
So +1 for time limits of 60 to 90 mins before KICK in tower and manned guns. Not for Gvs, Fighters or Bombers (because I can kill them if I find them, can't kill people in towers :D )
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Because almost all players forget or were not here before the implementations of ENY. Before it was implemented a country could be out numbered drastically for months at a time. Not a few hours. The few complaints about ENY are nothing like the gnawing of teeth were before ENY was implemented.
Also people have a strange belief that only their country has people sitting in the tower, when common sense would tell you that all countries would have a close to same % in the tower, and hence kicking them out would not have any impact on the ENY. In fact if you believe it could lower the ENY , it could just as easily raise the ENY.
HiTech
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This is the reason I used "realistic eny" instead of "reduce eny".
There are mornings when it's painfully obvious that one side (usually bish) has wayyy more inactive players than the other two. In this case it could reduce eny and help the bish. When inactive players are spread evenly between sides, then eny might not be such an issue.
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I'm fairly certain that HT's policy is that any of his paying customers can log on and do anything they want as long as it involves not breaking the game. I'm thinking he won't go much further into coding a 'balancing system' than he already has.
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This is the reason I used "realistic eny" instead of "reduce eny".
There are mornings when it's painfully obvious that one side (usually bish) has wayyy more inactive players than the other two. In this case it could reduce eny and help the bish. When inactive players are spread evenly between sides, then eny might not be such an issue.
Maybe if you lobby your team mates to stop hoarding the other countries when you guys are in the usual position of outnumbering both of the other ones, then those tower sitters who can only earn perks from map wins will move to one of the other countries who takes their place ... maybe?
What about those great communicators who can not respond by text or voice in game because they are muted, Boom? Kicked to curb because them sitting in the tower causes your panties to wad up? Lighten up Francis, it's only a game and eny does more good than harm.
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If a paying player wants to be inactive thats his business. Dont like it? Boot yourself.
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Maybe if you lobby your team mates to stop hoarding the other countries when you guys are in the usual position of outnumbering both of the other ones, then those tower sitters who can only earn perks from map wins will move to one of the other countries who takes their place ... maybe?
What about those great communicators who can not respond by text or voice in game because they are muted, Boom? Kicked to curb because them sitting in the tower causes your panties to wad up? Lighten up Francis, it's only a game and eny does more good than harm.
I am a Knight. :neener:
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If a paying player wants to be inactive thats his business. Dont like it? Boot yourself.
FLOOB that's exactly what I did for early morning (EST) play...I don't any more.
And if that was the only time I could play...I wouldn't.
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This is the reason I used "realistic eny" instead of "reduce eny".
There are mornings when it's painfully obvious that one side (usually bish) has wayyy more inactive players than the other two. In this case it could reduce eny and help the bish. When inactive players are spread evenly between sides, then eny might not be such an issue.
Bish don't need help with ENY, for some reson, their ENY never gets below 12, rarely have I seen it lower (I then to check rarely as well, only when they have a large numerical advantage). At least this helps somewhat with stoping there hoards. :D
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Bish don't need help with ENY, for some reson, their ENY never gets below 12, rarely have I seen it lower (I then to check rarely as well, only when they have a large numerical advantage). At least this helps somewhat with stoping there hoards. :D
No it doesn't, have you really seen the horde stopped because of eny? I have not, the times when I see the horde defeated, not quite rare-but uncommon, is when a good defense is mounted, not because they weren't in uber rides. It is rather because they were confronted with a fair defense.
Much more often than not, when the eny is high for the horde, they just bring more players...If they find a decent defense mounted at one base, they start over somewhere else. I don't see how eny affects them much, most of them fly bomb trucks anyways, and leave it up to uber players like Ahiru to kill all the defense.
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amen
If a paying player wants to be inactive thats his business. Dont like it? Boot yourself.
:aok amen
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The OP is not talking about a player that is AFK, he's talking about players that are online in the tower for hours. There is no reason that someone that is in the tower or sitting in an aircraft in the hanger or in a jeep and not moving for hours and hours should not have their session terminated.
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The OP is not talking about a player that is AFK, he's talking about players that are online in the tower for hours. There is no reason that someone that is in the tower or sitting in an aircraft in the hanger or in a jeep and not moving for hours and hours should not have their session terminated.
I'm of a different opinion. There's no reason TO terminate. This isn't a free to play game.
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No it doesn't, have you really seen the horde stopped because of eny? I have not, the times when I see the horde defeated, not quite rare-but uncommon, is when a good defense is mounted, not because they weren't in uber rides. It is rather because they were confronted with a fair defense.
Much more often than not, when the eny is high for the horde, they just bring more players...If they find a decent defense mounted at one base, they start over somewhere else. I don't see how eny affects them much, most of them fly bomb trucks anyways, and leave it up to Ahiru to kill all the defense.
Oh god, brew hoards! But on a more serious note, the bish love their ponies, typhies and late model 38s for their hoards. If they where to get lower ENY limits, it may make it harder for them to hoard a base...
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I'm of a different opinion. There's no reason TO terminate. This isn't a free to play game.
No, it's a game with an eny rule that is affected by players that just sit in the tower when they are not playing. The eny rule affects the paying customers that are playing. If a player is in the tower they should not be counted against the ENY numbers.
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If they get booted out for inactivity, say sitting in the tower for 30 minutes, can they not just log back in? Couple of clicks and they are back in the game, if they went off to bed to collect win perks, well they don't get em :P
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HT said on different thread that it probably wouldn't help...and anyway I'll turn my computer on log in to AH and let it warm up before I play...so I would be upset if I logged on and found something to do for say a hour or whatever and came back to a cold computer and have to log in to re-warm it up and get booted again while waiting...I have never been unable to fly because of the eny...but if someone can whine about it, it will be on this forum
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HT said on different thread that it probably wouldn't help...and anyway I'll turn my computer on log in to AH and let it warm up before I play...so I would be upset if I logged on and found something to do for say a hour or whatever and came back to a cold computer and have to log in to re-warm it up and get booted again while waiting...I have never been unable to fly because of the eny...but if someone can whine about it, it will be on this forum
I'm sure that they could change the eny so that only players that were in an aircraft or vehicle are counted and people in the tower are not included in the calculation.
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I'm sure that they could change the eny so that only players that were in an aircraft or vehicle are counted and people in the tower are not included in the calculation.
While I'm not sure of the coding difficulty, I concur that this seems a reasonable approach. :cheers:
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If someone wants to sit in the tower for hours who are we to tell them not to? Maybe some of us live in countries where liberty isnt respected but that doesnt mean aces high has to be like that.
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If someone wants to sit in the tower for hours who are we to tell them not to? Maybe some of us live in countries where liberty isnt respected but that doesnt mean aces high has to be like that.
Because it hinders the game play of other members. People that just go to bed and leave their session active and just sit in a tower or sit in an aircraft in a hanger are impacting the ENY and affecting the game play of others.
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What is the logical reason to lobby for someone to sit in the game without touching a control for an hour continuously?
Wiley.
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Everything anybody does affects the gameplay of others, its supposed to. Just being online affects the eny, therefore "hinders the gameplay of others" regardless of what the player is doing. And if youre against the hindering of gameplay of others why would you be for the booting of players based on their style of gameplay? Getting booted is a dramatically worse hinderence to one's gameplay then any eny changes. This is just another case of "lets do something to make people play the way I think they should".
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While I'm not sure of the coding difficulty, I concur that this seems a reasonable approach. :cheers:
Too easy to game ENY with a tower rule and anytime a horde waited in the tower to take off their ENY would drop.
Because it hinders the game play of other members. People that just go to bed and leave their session active and just sit in a tower or sit in an aircraft in a hanger are impacting the ENY and affecting the game play of others.
As HiTech pointed out, you are assuming that the high ENY side has a higher percentage of idle players. That's only true sometimes. Other times booting them could make ENY worse. You kick them off all 3 sides and on average ENY stays the same.
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Very good discussion here. So, I apologize for sticking my nose in but
Does ENY do what it was intended to do, anyhow?
I was here before ENY and win the war criteria changed. Way back then, 2 countries would push on a weaker side until that side's players decided to log off, to let the other two countries race to be king of the hill. Change was definitely needed.
ENY as described intends to give players reasons to fly under a mismatched flag. The problem with that, it does almost the same thing that it was put in place to prevent = players logging off due to the number of forces matched against you. Instead of folks changing sides to a lower ENY country, they keep their loyalties and fly with their friends until sadly, their friends disappear due to frustration with availability of aircraft. Then there is also, the unpredictable effect on pick up missions. Change is needed, but the last thing needed is booting players from an arena.
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Too easy to game ENY with a tower rule and anytime a horde waited in the tower to take off their ENY would drop.
As HiTech pointed out, you are assuming that the high ENY side has a higher percentage of idle players. That's only true sometimes. Other times booting them could make ENY worse. You kick them off all 3 sides and on average ENY stays the same.
I'm not making any assumption, I'm asking for a refinement of how the ENY calculation is performed. That Players that are idle or sitting in the tower for hours on end , not be included in the calculation.
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Why don't you all log in a few different days early morning USA Central Standard Time and see for yourselves what is happening. It's not every day but some days are bad. It may open your eyes a bit. Ask the Aussies/New Zealanders too what it's like.
I gave up on playing early morning hours because of eny. Not necessarily because my country's eny was high (it usually isn't), but because eny was upsetting so many people.
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Very good discussion here. So, I apologize for sticking my nose in but
Does ENY do what it was intended to do, anyhow?
I was here before ENY and win the war criteria changed. Way back then, 2 countries would push on a weaker side until that side's players decided to log off, to let the other two countries race to be king of the hill. Change was definitely needed.
ENY as described intends to give players reasons to fly under a mismatched flag. The problem with that, it does almost the same thing that it was put in place to prevent = players logging off due to the number of forces matched against you. Instead of folks changing sides to a lower ENY country, they keep their loyalties and fly with their friends until sadly, their friends disappear due to frustration with availability of aircraft. Then there is also, the unpredictable effect on pick up missions. Change is needed, but the last thing needed is booting players from an arena.
No one is asking playing players to be booted from the arena, what is being asked for is the players that remain logged on even when they are sleeping and not active in the game. Those players are impacting the ENY of playing players at certain times of day.
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No one is asking playing players to be booted from the arena, what is being asked for is the players that remain logged on even when they are sleeping and not active in the game. Those players are impacting the ENY of playing players at certain times of day.
Gotta ask. How's HT gonna tell the difference between a player sleeping and a player waiting for friends or squadies to show up in the MA?
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Gotta ask. How's HT gonna tell the difference between a player sleeping and a player waiting for friends or squadies to show up in the MA?
When you're waiting for friends or squaddies, do you not play? Or do you sit and admire the wood paneling in the tower? I can't think of a single other online game that doesn't boot you for idling off the top of my head.
Wiley.
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When you're waiting for friends or squaddies, do you not play? Or do you sit and admire the wood paneling in the tower? I can't think of a single other online game that doesn't boot you for idling off the top of my head.
Wiley.
wot doesnt kick you out. i have fallen asleep many times with the game on. I wake up and still in the garage (same as the tower). there's times when I play late at night and it takes me 2 or 3 minutes to get into a game, which makes me wonder how many of the 8k players are actually afk.
semp
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When you're waiting for friends or squaddies, do you not play? Or do you sit and admire the wood paneling in the tower? I can't think of a single other online game that doesn't boot you for idling off the top of my head.
Wiley.
You can idle up to an hour in many (sometimes longer with a monthly sub tied to ya). I've shot the (insert endless subjects) with squadies, friends and strangers ... in the tower ... O-club and hangar. Sometimes I don't feel like logging to go drop a log (and sometimes that can take awhile). I may play LSO for the squad for an hour. I'm sure it shows in my stats. ;) :cheers:
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wot doesnt kick you out. i have fallen asleep many times with the game on. I wake up and still in the garage (same as the tower).
If memory serves, it isn't. You're not in a match sitting in the garage, you aren't counted as a player on your team sitting in the garage in WoT. It's the equivalent of the arena selection screen moreso than the tower.
You can idle up to an hour in many (sometimes longer with a monthly sub tied to ya). I've shot the (insert endless subjects) with squadies, friends and strangers ... in the tower ... O-club and hangar. Sometimes I don't feel like logging to go drop a log (and sometimes that can take awhile). I may play LSO for the squad for an hour. I'm sure it shows in my stats. ;) :cheers:
But you were on chat. The game could detect that. You're not really idle, you're just not in flight.
Wiley.
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But you were on chat. The game could detect that. You're not really idle, you're just not in flight.
Can it detect when I go take a dump? ;)
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Can it detect when I go take a dump? ;)
...Does it take you an hour to take a dump? Might want to get that checked.
You guys speak like restarting the game is some kind of arduous procedure. I don't get it.
Wiley.
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...Does it take you an hour to take a dump? Might want to get that checked.
You guys speak like restarting the game is some kind of arduous procedure. I don't get it.
Wiley.
I also washed my hands. Oh and I went and got a beer. Oh what the heck, I'll make a sandwich. Looks like the wife's up for a quickie. :t
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...Does it take you an hour to take a dump? Might want to get that checked.
You guys speak like restarting the game is some kind of arduous procedure. I don't get it.
Wiley.
many a time me and a few guys spent a couple of hours just bs'ing on 200 about this or that. it was pretty entertaining 'till somebody mentioned that we were just sitting in tower and we should up a plane. we did a couple of fligths then went back to the tower to joke and mess around for another hour or so.
semp
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many a time me and a few guys spent a couple of hours just bs'ing on 200 about this or that. it was pretty entertaining 'till somebody mentioned that we were just sitting in tower and we should up a plane. we did a couple of fligths then went back to the tower to joke and mess around for another hour or so.
semp
...Hooray?
Not talking about people doing something in game, even socializing. Talking about people who are afk.
Wiley.
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...Hooray?
Not talking about people doing something in game, even socializing. Talking about people who are afk.
Wiley.
what is the difference we are still not up in the air and affecting eny.
semp
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what is the difference we are still not up in the air and affecting eny.
semp
But there is the potential for you to do something if you so desire. You could react to an NOE call, or not. An empty desk isn't going to get its feelings hurt if the game logs it out.
Wiley.
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Gotta ask. How's HT gonna tell the difference between a player sleeping and a player waiting for friends or squadies to show up in the MA?
Does he need to? They can with two clicks log back in if they are inactive.
Why is it when one country outnumbers the other by ~40 players, but the base is 120 to begin with there is no eny, yet when you outnumber another country by 10, and the base is 12 players you get an outrageous eny like ~20...I know it's a %....
What I really mean is if on Friday night 50 guys from one country decide to descend upon a base where 5-10 up to defend then not having eny is fine in that situation whereas at 3am PST (any day these days), if there are 6 of us attacking 3 of them (usually in their ack too) we get eny to the point where if off a cv we have to fly Zeke's and FM2's :rolleyes:
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Does he need to?
No. He doesn't need to disco players due to perceived inactivity, either. ;)
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Other pay to play games do that and it only seems logical.
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After 30mins AFK in the tower it would make sense to have them time out to the lobby.
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You guys speak like restarting the game is some kind of arduous procedure. I don't get it.
Wiley.
you guys talk about a few guys sitting in tower all night like its ruining the game.. I don't get it.
the real answer to the perceived "problem" is to let people switch sides easier, not kick people off.
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No. He doesn't need to disco players due to perceived inactivity, either. ;)
It's not perceived at all, it's actually quite easy to watch and see who is AFK when they are all of less than 20 on your side ;)
Try flying 3am-9am EST, sometime maybe you'd get it then. Maybe.
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It's not perceived at all, it's actually quite easy to watch and see who is AFK when they are all of less than 20 on your side ;)
Try flying 3am-9am EST, sometime maybe you'd get it then. Maybe.
So you know which players are afk and which are taking their sweet time in the hangar? Maybe I don't get that. Illustrate. In detail. :cool:
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you guys talk about a few guys sitting in tower all night like its ruining the game.. I don't get it.
the real answer to the perceived "problem" is to let people switch sides easier, not kick people off.
+1
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So you know which players are afk and which are taking their sweet time in the hangar? Maybe I don't get that. Illustrate. In detail. :cool:
Really Arlo? Really? Must you? :D
ok here's what brought my attention to this long time ago.
1. Big name player who usually is constantly landing kills is online...not landing kills.
2. Attempts to communicate with player on country ch or 200 go un-answered repeatedly over long period of time.
3. PMs go un-answered repeatedly over long period of time.
4. We all shrug shoulders and play on with high eny. Who wants to waste time dogging somebody who obviously isn't there. We want to play.
5. Player spotted in the tower...or player spotted in tank at field way behind the front lines by strat raiders upping...you guessed it, way behind the front lines....Or player noticed in vox range at a field way behind the lines, but nowhere to be found (most likely sitting in manned gun or hangar).
5. Begin to notice multiple players online not doing anything, attempts to communicate go un-answered. Blah, Blah Blah.
Can we make it any clearer?
So it's obvious to us these players aren't doing anything except screwing with our eny and ultimately....our ability to play the way we like.
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maybe they like to sit in tower all night to record 200
:noid
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Really Arlo? Really? Must you? :D
ok here's what brought my attention to this long time ago.
1. Big name player who usually is constantly landing kills is online...not landing kills.
2. Attempts to communicate with player on country ch or 200 go un-answered repeatedly over long period of time.
3. PMs go un-answered repeatedly over long period of time.
4. We all shrug shoulders and play on with high eny. Who wants to waste time dogging somebody who obviously isn't there. We want to play.
5. Player spotted in the tower...or player spotted in tank at field way behind the front lines by strat raiders upping...you guessed it, way behind the front lines....Or player noticed in vox range at a field way behind the lines, but nowhere to be found (most likely sitting in manned gun or hangar).
5. Begin to notice multiple players online not doing anything, attempts to communicate go un-answered. Blah, Blah Blah.
Can we make it any clearer?
So it's obvious to us these players aren't doing anything except screwing with our eny and ultimately....our ability to play the way we like.
'Big name' has his/her headset off and their text shrunk to nothing. I'm thinking some don't know what 'perception' means nor do they want to admit they use that, right or wrong. :D
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'Big name' has his/her headset off and their text shrunk to nothing. I'm thinking some don't know what 'perception' means nor do they want to admit they use that, right or wrong. :D
Yes because they're counting sheep in their bunk, or maybe quickie with the wife, or....
:banana:
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maybe they like to sit in tower all night to record 200
:noid
Actually I have done that quite a lot of times. Well, not really recording 200, but the chat in total to analyze the bombers landing messages.
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One of the main causes for the perception of "tower sitters ruin 'our'" ENY is the occasional observation that with high and very high ENY the percentage of tower sitters can be much higher at times.
This however is often also a result of ENY, players sitting in tower because they "can't fly anything" (complains like that usually start at ENY 5). And this is happening much more at offpeak, because due to overall smaller numbers ENY imbalances generally tend to be more radical.
Also during offpeak, the number of 'tower sitters' can also be increased because there's often actually little to do for them when there's only very few players populating a large map.
It's very similar to the old assumption of "sideswitchers looking for war perks" are creating a huge numerical advantage (and possibly ENY issues) for for the team winning the war. Actually it was (and still is) the other way around: The impending victory is a result of that numerical advantage which has almost entirely different causes.
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Yes because they're counting sheep in their bunk, or maybe quickie with the wife, or....
:banana:
Or ... they're lookin at the game map, they're picking a skin and loadout then changing their mind, they're on Mumble with squadies.
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Booting players at anytime for inactivity is just a bad idea. :aok
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Actually I have done that quite a lot of times. Well, not really recording 200, but the chat in total to analyze the bombers landing messages.
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One of the main causes for the perception of "tower sitters ruin 'our'" ENY is the occasional observation that with high and very high ENY the percentage of tower sitters can be much higher at times.
This however is often also a result of ENY, players sitting in tower because they "can't fly anything" (complains like that usually start at ENY 5). And this is happening much more at offpeak, because due to overall smaller numbers ENY imbalances generally tend to be more radical.
Also during offpeak, the number of 'tower sitters' can also be increased because there's often actually little to do for them when there's only very few players populating a large map.
It's very similar to the old assumption of "sideswitchers looking for war perks" are creating a huge numerical advantage (and possibly ENY issues) for for the team winning the war. Actually it was (and still is) the other way around: The impending victory is a result of that numerical advantage which has almost entirely different causes.
Why would tower sitters waiting for eny to reduce not answer repeated attempts at communication, or fail to appear when it does reduce? One thing that confirmed my suspicions was war wins during these hours. Took careful notice of roster before and after. Most active players came back. Players we noticed inactive didn't. eny was corrected to "realistic".
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Alright here's one example that could make for a case against booting inactive players.
I don't remember seeing it in the forums.
Let's say a player has worked their butt off to get close to a war win and wants their just reward, but, real life happens. Work, school, emergency, or kids to a game, whatever.
These players feel they deserve the war win perks if it occurs. Other players want them to get those perks too.
But many times that win doesn't happen and players the next morning might pay for it with high eny.
That is something to consider. :)
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So you know which players are afk and which are taking their sweet time in the hangar? Maybe I don't get that. Illustrate. In detail. :cool:
Like Drane said...
You are purposely obtuse, but for what, will I ever know?
You are quite aware how easy it would be to keep track of 20 guys on your own side, what they are or not doing, especially when you know many of their methods/habits...Plus there is dot dar now, did you know that?
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you guys talk about a few guys sitting in tower all night like its ruining the game.. I don't get it.
the real answer to the perceived "problem" is to let people switch sides easier, not kick people off.
A few guys sitting AFK when there's only 30 or less to a side is a significant impact on ENY, which affects the other players for no good reason. There's some truth to what Hitech's saying, that it's probably generally somewhat close to equal on all sides most of the time, but what good reason is there to allow it?
Wiley.
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Like Drane said...
You are purposely obtuse, but for what, will I ever know?
You are quite aware how easy it would be to keep track of 20 guys on your own side, what they are or not doing, especially when you know many of their methods/habits...Plus there is dot dar now, did you know that?
So your answer is 'dot dar.' Huh.
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Alright here's one example that could make for a case against booting inactive players.
I don't remember seeing it in the forums.
Let's say a player has worked their butt off to get close to a war win and wants their just reward, but, real life happens. Work, school, emergency, or kids to a game, whatever.
These players feel they deserve the war win perks if it occurs. Other players want them to get those perks too.
But many times that win doesn't happen and players the next morning might pay for it with high eny.
That is something to consider. :)
If you were on since the map change, you could have worked toward the war win. Everything you do has effects, like ripples in a pond. Something I did 2 days ago might have had an impact on the war right up to the end. Where are my perks?
Wiley.
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boot any player that didn't touch his controls for 30mins. Client sided timer. End of story.
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boot any player that didn't touch his controls for 30mins. Client sided timer. End of story.
Yeah. Strat bombers.
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:furious LOOK IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHY THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS HOW LONG THEY ARE AFK.....THEY PAY THEIR MONEY EVERY MONTH FOR THIS GAME...THEY BUY THE TOOLS TO PLAY THIS GAME-JOYSTICK'S THROTTLE'S etc.--UP DATED COMPUTERS...i don't give a frag about ENY...it's part of the game...GET OVER IT...quit trying to punish players for something they have a perfect right to do.. there are other players crying and whining and player base is dropping--but i see new players everyday---but you keep this kinda crap up and no body will want to stay. :furious
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:furious LOOK IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHY THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS HOW LONG THEY ARE AFK.....THEY PAY THEIR MONEY EVERY MONTH FOR THIS GAME...THEY BUY THE TOOLS TO PLAY THIS GAME-JOYSTICK'S THROTTLE'S etc.--UP DATED COMPUTERS...i don't give a frag about ENY...it's part of the game...GET OVER IT...quit trying to punish players for something they have a perfect right to do.. there are other players crying and whining and player base is dropping--but i see new players everyday---but you keep this kinda crap up and no body will want to stay. :furious
So... people getting booted while they're afk in tower after a reasonable amount of time would cause people to quit? Do these poor souls collapse in the fetal position and go catatonic when they get shot down?
Wiley.
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So... people getting booted while they're afk in tower after a reasonable amount of time would cause people to quit? Do these poor souls collapse in the fetal position and go catatonic when they get shot down?
Wiley.
Geez, Wiley. It's not like they're doing a headcount every 10 minutes and bemoaning the eny diaparity. :D
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:furious LOOK IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHY THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS HOW LONG THEY ARE AFK.....THEY PAY THEIR MONEY EVERY MONTH FOR THIS GAME...THEY BUY THE TOOLS TO PLAY THIS GAME-JOYSTICK'S THROTTLE'S etc.--UP DATED COMPUTERS...i don't give a frag about ENY...it's part of the game...GET OVER IT...quit trying to punish players for something they have a perfect right to do.. there are other players crying and whining and player base is dropping--but i see new players everyday---but you keep this kinda crap up and no body will want to stay. :furious
That's why we are asking HTC to change game play. So that the ENY system does not reflect players that are AFK for hours on end. You are wrong that it is nobody's business, one players conduct and decision to stay signed in and sit in the tower for hours or until the next reset, impacts ENY and thus impacts other players. We all pay to play, I have the same rights as the guy that is AFK for 8 to 12 hours. I have the right not to be impacted by his conduct.
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There's some truth to what Hitech's saying, that it's probably generally somewhat close to equal on all sides most of the time, but what good reason is there to allow it?
...well...this way we don't have to see this kind of post:
"I swear this was the last straw. All night I'm flying goon missions and M3 missions to help my squad take that last miserable base to win the map. My two-year old started crying upstairs, so I jumped up and went to see what was wrong. Turns out she had swallowed some old razor blades I'd been using on a model of a P-51D I'd been bilding, so we had to haul our butts to the hospital pronto. All I could think of while we were going through this nightmare was, 'well, hey, at least I'll get some perks from our base capture, glad I didn't log off, maybe I'll use them to buy a cannon corsair or a temp or something even cooler than the 51D. Well, when I did get back it was pretty late, next morning really, but as soon as the kid was down and the wife had collapsed I trotted right into the computer room, and there was only this message that said 'you have been logged off due to inactivity.'"
"That's just the last straw, man, I'm closing my account and don't try to talk me out of it."
- oldman
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...well...this way we don't have to see this kind of post:
"I swear this was the last straw. All night I'm flying goon missions and M3 missions to help my squad take that last miserable base to win the map. My two-year old started crying upstairs, so I jumped up and went to see what was wrong. Turns out she had swallowed some old razor blades I'd been using on a model of a P-51D I'd been bilding, so we had to haul our butts to the hospital pronto. All I could think of while we were going through this nightmare was, 'well, hey, at least I'll get some perks from our base capture, glad I didn't log off, maybe I'll use them to buy a cannon corsair or a temp or something even cooler than the 51D. Well, when I did get back it was pretty late, next morning really, but as soon as the kid was down and the wife had collapsed I trotted right into the computer room, and there was only this message that said 'you have been logged off due to inactivity.'"
"That's just the last straw, man, I'm closing my account and don't try to talk me out of it."
- oldman
Really, the first thing you do, really, you didn't go around and make sure there were no more razor blades laying around? Your stupidity almost kills your kid and the first thing you do is sit in front of a computer?
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...well...this way we don't have to see this kind of post:
"I swear this was the last straw. All night I'm flying goon missions and M3 missions to help my squad take that last miserable base to win the map. My two-year old started crying upstairs, so I jumped up and went to see what was wrong. Turns out she had swallowed some old razor blades I'd been using on a model of a P-51D I'd been bilding, so we had to haul our butts to the hospital pronto. All I could think of while we were going through this nightmare was, 'well, hey, at least I'll get some perks from our base capture, glad I didn't log off, maybe I'll use them to buy a cannon corsair or a temp or something even cooler than the 51D. Well, when I did get back it was pretty late, next morning really, but as soon as the kid was down and the wife had collapsed I trotted right into the computer room, and there was only this message that said 'you have been logged off due to inactivity.'"
"That's just the last straw, man, I'm closing my account and don't try to talk me out of it."
- oldman
And this same guy is not going to throw a similar hissy fit when ENY doesn't allow him to up his pony or his tempest because of the AFK guys on his side?
The difference is, the AFK guys are actually impacting people who are trying to play the game at that moment and being frustrated, quite possibly into logging. Booting AFK people is only affecting people who are not playing the game.
Wiley.
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And this same guy is not going to throw a similar hissy fit when ENY doesn't allow him to up his pony or his tempest because of the AFK guys on his side?
The difference is, the AFK guys are actually impacting people who are trying to play the game at that moment and being frustrated, quite possibly into logging. Booting AFK people is only affecting people who are not playing the game.
Wiley.
wiley sounds like youre one of those who throughs a hissy fit when eny is against you
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The problem lies with ENY. One of the reasons that no other arena is currently a viable alternative is the availability of aircraft for perks in the late war MA.
What should that tell you? = Most folks pay subscriptions to fly their choice in aircraft for perks (to earn them or spend them).
Then what does ENY do? = It limits the aircraft available for perks.
Rather than coming up with a design to boot players, our time on the forums would be better spent coming up with a better ENY system, if it is still deemed as a must with the current or future win the war system.
Here is one: Instead of limiting pilot equipment, let ENY work on the strat system. You have more folks in "battle" you put more drain on resources and country strats loose percentage per minute.
"SYSTEM: Country Knight is 15 percent beyond capacity, will loose 1.5 percent to all country strats per minute."
Oldman gave a what if scenario that hopefully would help folks to see the human side of afk. Actually, afk is a good thing in some instances (personally need to walk away from the screen after a rather unsuccessful experience in game or in real life).
I should log off-- but I plan to return momentarily after doing something else in the real world that is more important, necessary or simply soothing (no comments from peanut gallery :lol ).
What I thought would be a few moments turns into a conversation with the wife or some other more pressing event. Yes, it would bother me if I was booted and didn't gain perks that I had worked hard to obtain as in Oldman's scenario.
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wiley sounds like youre one of those who throughs a hissy fit when eny is against you
Yep, one might think that by reading this thread. My main ride when I'm not practicing for FSO is ENY 35. Thank you for your consideration. I also play at prime time mostly, not overnight. However just looking at the system logically, AFK players have an adverse effect on the arena at a time when gameplay is already struggling due to low numbers.
So pretty much the least bad reason people can come up with to not have people get booted is so they can get their win the war perks. Their right to idle for win the war perks are worth more than the gameplay of the people actually trying to play during low numbers times.
Can someone please explain in detail how that makes sense?
Wiley.
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wiley sounds like youre one of those who throughs a hissy fit when eny is against you
Then you would be wrong.
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ok wiley this is your wish..if it comes true,good for you-if not -oh well.i think if they were going to change the eny system,they would have done so long ago..
this eny stuff has been going on for years...sincerially good luck.
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The ENY system would be fine as is if they lowered the side switch time.
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If someone has a hissy fit and logs off because they can't fly a 51, is time to take a break from the game. They're doing it wrong.
If you let that impact your fun, you're doing it wrong.
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If someone has a hissy fit and logs off because they can't fly a 51, is time to take a break from the game. They're doing it wrong.
If you let that impact your fun, you're doing it wrong.
If it impacts your mood potentially losing 25 perks and having to possibly click 'Ok', then doubleclick an icon and wait a few seconds because you had to attend to your flaming house or razor blade swallowing child, you're doing it wrong.
Wiley.
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The ENY system would be fine as is if they lowered the side switch time.
Whole other can of worms there my friend. :cool: LWMA would implode. :cool: "Spies!!!!!!!!!!" There is a entirely different mindset there. I have become so accustomed to it that I log off, rather than join another country to do what I normally enjoy doing. Heck, there are even times in the Dueling Arena when numbers range lopsided.
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A few guys sitting AFK when there's only 30 or less to a side is a significant impact on ENY, which affects the other players for no good reason. There's some truth to what Hitech's saying, that it's probably generally somewhat close to equal on all sides most of the time, but what good reason is there to allow it?
Wiley.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,361167.msg4799626.html#msg4799626
lusche sits in tower for a perfectly legit reason..
good enough for me. fix the "problem" by allowing more switching instead. ive been in favor of getting rid of war win perks for quite some time also.
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if eny keeps me from flying my p-51d--i simply fly a different plane :bolt:
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Booting the tower sitters from the other 2 countries won't help your ENY.
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Booting the tower sitters from the other 2 countries won't help your ENY.
If the number of tower sitters were exactly equal on all sides, it would technically make it worse. If the percentage were the same, no effect.
Bah. Just do away with ENY. Problem solved.
Wiley.
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Bah. Just do away with ENY. Problem solved.
There is absolutely no problem with ENY. Those people who complain about it want it removed so they can continue to club the proverbial baby seal of whichever side has the fewest number of active players, and then run away into the sunset with their Pony.
The solution is very simple.
When ENY prevents you from taking off in your late war uber-ride of choice you can either switch to a side with fewer players or choose one of the wonderful higher ENY aircraft and accept that until the sides balance out you're not going to be able to run away from everything.
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There is absolutely no problem with ENY. Those people who complain about it want it removed so they can continue to club the proverbial baby seal of whichever side has the fewest number of active players, and then run away into the sunset with their Pony.
The solution is very simple.
When ENY prevents you from taking off in your late war uber-ride of choice you can either switch to a side with fewer players or choose one of the wonderful higher ENY aircraft and accept that until the sides balance out you're not going to be able to run away from everything.
Plenty of things are wrong with ENY. This is only the latest discussion. By the way, have you checked the ENY values for all aircraft and vehicles? What about, have you ever joined a pick up mission that failed due to ENY? I mean sat in the tower waiting for the mission to roll and then poof... there goes all that planning. Speaking of which, a simple Lancaster bomber mission was just recently scrubbed at a point when action on the map was rather dull. ENY is not just about Pony pilots. I can fly just about any 109 variant at any time. I wouldn't use the word uber to describe the rides that are / aren't effected.
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Actually I have done that quite a lot of times. Well, not really recording 200, but the chat in total to analyze the bombers landing messages.
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One of the main causes for the perception of "tower sitters ruin 'our'" ENY is the occasional observation that with high and very high ENY the percentage of tower sitters can be much higher at times.
This however is often also a result of ENY, players sitting in tower because they "can't fly anything" (complains like that usually start at ENY 5). And this is happening much more at offpeak, because due to overall smaller numbers ENY imbalances generally tend to be more radical.
Also during offpeak, the number of 'tower sitters' can also be increased because there's often actually little to do for them when there's only very few players populating a large map.
It's very similar to the old assumption of "sideswitchers looking for war perks" are creating a huge numerical advantage (and possibly ENY issues) for for the team winning the war. Actually it was (and still is) the other way around: The impending victory is a result of that numerical advantage which has almost entirely different causes.
I remember the day your country had a high eny, so you sat in the tower for what like seem forever. then you took 1/2 log in players to the ww1 arena. I fell asleep that night and woke just as you guys were coming back.
semp
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When ENY prevents you from taking off in your late war uber-ride of choice you can either switch to a side with fewer players or choose one of the wonderful higher ENY aircraft and accept that until the sides balance out you're not going to be able to run away from everything.
What if I already switched sides 9 hours ago?
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What if I already switched sides 9 hours ago?
Then until HTC comes to it's senses and lowers the switch time you'll have to man up and fly a real plane. :P
I'm partial to the 109G6 personally, but you have other options. :D
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Then until HTC comes to it's senses and lowers the switch time you'll have to man up and fly a real plane. :P
I'm partial to the 109G6 personally, but you have other options. :D
I only ever fly 30 eny planes. The thing that upsets me is when there is nothing but green dar bars everywhere and I'm stuck with them for another 10 hours. :( :cry
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Plenty of things are wrong with ENY. This is only the latest discussion. By the way, have you checked the ENY values for all aircraft and vehicles? What about, have you ever joined a pick up mission that failed due to ENY? I mean sat in the tower waiting for the mission to roll and then poof... there goes all that planning. Speaking of which, a simple Lancaster bomber mission was just recently scrubbed at a point when action on the map was rather dull. ENY is not just about Pony pilots. I can fly just about any 109 variant at any time. I wouldn't use the word uber to describe the rides that are / aren't effected.
Can't have been very good planning if enemy numbers and ENY are not checked through the planning stage.
There's more than just the lanc in the hanger. *points furiously at the wonderful 111*
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Yeah. Strat bombers.
strat bombers do look at the map from time to time right?
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strat bombers do look at the map from time to time right?
Maybe - maybe not. What if they got up and made a sammich enroute?
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Can't have been very good planning if enemy numbers and ENY are not checked through the planning stage.
There's more than just the lanc in the hanger. *points furiously at the wonderful 111*
I enjoy the He111 even if it is slow with a belly full.
Problem is two fold. ENY changes without warning, ENY 5 being the first to get dumped at any moment. Second, lot of folks will only choose equipment that they feel comfortable with and won't join pickup missions that are questionable from the beginning (flying planes :joystick: they haven't even setup views in yet :uhoh ).
So, this brings up an even bigger question. Is ENY designed to slow down the numbers in missions or to balance numbers. I can say that in both cases the outcome is less of what AHaddicts like myself care to suffer through, not merely the limits on choice, but rather the reactions of others, some logging off :furious
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I enjoy the He111 even if it is slow with a belly full.
Problem is two fold. ENY changes without warning, ENY 5 being the first to get dumped at any moment. Second, lot of folks will only choose equipment that they feel comfortable with and won't join pickup missions that are questionable from the beginning (flying planes :joystick: they haven't even setup views in yet :uhoh ).
So, this brings up an even bigger question. Is ENY designed to slow down the numbers in missions or to balance numbers. I can say that in both cases the outcome is less of what AHaddicts like myself care to suffer through, not merely the limits on choice, but rather the reactions of others, some logging off :furious
For all those poor players who can't get by without their ENY 5 aircraft when they have twice the numbers of the next largest country..
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/12/tiniest_violin.gif)
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Sorry if truth is a burden to your ears, or the missions experience is not your cup of tea. HTC, on the other hand pays folks to design a product that is enjoyable to the broadest possible market (including international time zones).
Having folks log off, especially during off peak hours does NOT express player satisfaction does it? :headscratch:
The effect of players logging off, sitting in tower or doing some other task not directly engaging opposing forces players, has a snowball effect. Less action, breeds even less action.
Me personally, I'm usually flying low ENY in LWMA. So when I object to what ENY does to my game play, it is mostly based on my experiences where it UNECESSARILY interfered with an otherwise healthy arena environment. C'mon Lancasters are going to turn the tide one way or the other? What's next......... Stukas?