Boot inactive players to keep ENY realistic especially during off-peak hours

[kvuo75]

maybe they like to sit in tower all night to record 200

 

[Arlo]

Really Arlo? Really? Must you? 

ok here's what brought my attention to this long time ago.

1. Big name player who usually is constantly landing kills is online...not landing kills.
2. Attempts to communicate with player on country ch or 200 go un-answered repeatedly over long period of time.
3. PMs go un-answered repeatedly over long period of time.
4. We all shrug shoulders and play on with high eny. Who wants to waste time dogging somebody who obviously isn't there. We want to play.
5. Player spotted in the tower...or player spotted in tank at field way behind the front lines by strat raiders upping...you guessed it, way behind the front lines....Or player noticed in vox range at a field way behind the lines, but nowhere to be found (most likely sitting in manned gun or hangar).
5. Begin to notice multiple players online not doing anything, attempts to communicate go un-answered. Blah, Blah Blah.

Can we make it any clearer?

So it's obvious to us these players aren't doing anything except screwing with our eny and ultimately....our ability to play the way we like.

'Big name' has his/her headset off and their text shrunk to nothing. I'm thinking some don't know what 'perception' means nor do they want to admit they use that, right or wrong.

[Drane]

'Big name' has his/her headset off and their text shrunk to nothing. I'm thinking some don't know what 'perception' means nor do they want to admit they use that, right or wrong.

Yes because they're counting sheep in their bunk, or maybe quickie with the wife, or....

 

[Lusche]

maybe they like to sit in tower all night to record 200

 

Actually I have done that quite a lot of times. Well, not really recording 200, but the chat in total to analyze the bombers landing messages.


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One of the main causes for the perception of "tower sitters ruin 'our'" ENY is the occasional observation that with high and very high ENY the percentage of tower sitters can be much higher at times.
This however is often also a result of ENY, players sitting in tower because they "can't fly anything" (complains like that usually start at ENY 5). And this is happening much more at offpeak, because due to overall smaller numbers ENY imbalances generally tend to be more radical.
Also during offpeak, the number of 'tower sitters' can also be increased because  there's often actually little to do for them when there's only very few players populating a large map.


It's very similar to the old assumption of "sideswitchers looking for war perks" are creating a huge numerical advantage (and possibly ENY issues) for for the team winning the war. Actually it was (and still is) the other way around: The impending victory is a result of that numerical advantage which has almost entirely different causes.

[Arlo]

Yes because they're counting sheep in their bunk, or maybe quickie with the wife, or....

 

Or ... they're lookin at the game map, they're picking a skin and loadout then changing their mind, they're on Mumble with squadies.

[waystin2]

Booting players at anytime for inactivity is just a bad idea.

[Drane]

Actually I have done that quite a lot of times. Well, not really recording 200, but the chat in total to analyze the bombers landing messages.


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One of the main causes for the perception of "tower sitters ruin 'our'" ENY is the occasional observation that with high and very high ENY the percentage of tower sitters can be much higher at times.
This however is often also a result of ENY, players sitting in tower because they "can't fly anything" (complains like that usually start at ENY 5). And this is happening much more at offpeak, because due to overall smaller numbers ENY imbalances generally tend to be more radical.
Also during offpeak, the number of 'tower sitters' can also be increased because  there's often actually little to do for them when there's only very few players populating a large map.


It's very similar to the old assumption of "sideswitchers looking for war perks" are creating a huge numerical advantage (and possibly ENY issues) for for the team winning the war. Actually it was (and still is) the other way around: The impending victory is a result of that numerical advantage which has almost entirely different causes.

Why would tower sitters waiting for eny to reduce not answer repeated attempts at communication, or fail to appear when it does reduce? One thing that confirmed my suspicions was war wins during these hours. Took careful notice of roster before and after. Most active players came back. Players we noticed inactive didn't. eny was corrected to "realistic".

[Drane]

Alright here's one example that could make for a case against booting inactive players.

I don't remember seeing it in the forums.

Let's say a player has worked their butt off to get close to a war win and wants their just reward, but, real life happens. Work, school, emergency, or kids to a game, whatever.

These players feel they deserve the war win perks if it occurs. Other players want them to get those perks too.

But many times that win doesn't happen and players the next morning might pay for it with high eny.

That is something to consider.   

[RotBaron]

So you know which players are afk and which are taking their sweet time in the hangar? Maybe I don't get that. Illustrate. In detail.

Like Drane said...

You are purposely obtuse, but for what, will I ever know?

You are quite aware how easy it would be to keep track of 20 guys on your own side, what they are or not doing, especially when you know many of their methods/habits...Plus there is dot dar now, did you know that?

[Wiley]

you guys talk about a few guys sitting in tower all night like its ruining the game..  I don't get it.


the real answer to the perceived "problem" is to let people switch sides easier, not kick people off.

A few guys sitting AFK when there's only 30 or less to a side is a significant impact on ENY, which affects the other players for no good reason.  There's some truth to what Hitech's saying, that it's probably generally somewhat close to equal on all sides most of the time, but what good reason is there to allow it?

Wiley.

[Arlo]

Like Drane said...

You are purposely obtuse, but for what, will I ever know?

You are quite aware how easy it would be to keep track of 20 guys on your own side, what they are or not doing, especially when you know many of their methods/habits...Plus there is dot dar now, did you know that?

So your answer is 'dot dar.' Huh.

[Wiley]

Alright here's one example that could make for a case against booting inactive players.

I don't remember seeing it in the forums.

Let's say a player has worked their butt off to get close to a war win and wants their just reward, but, real life happens. Work, school, emergency, or kids to a game, whatever.

These players feel they deserve the war win perks if it occurs. Other players want them to get those perks too.

But many times that win doesn't happen and players the next morning might pay for it with high eny.

That is something to consider.   

If you were on since the map change, you could have worked toward the war win.  Everything you do has effects, like ripples in a pond.  Something I did 2 days ago might have had an impact on the war right up to the end.  Where are my perks?

Wiley.

[SirNuke]

boot any player that didn't touch his controls for 30mins. Client sided timer. End of story.

[Arlo]

boot any player that didn't touch his controls for 30mins. Client sided timer. End of story.

Yeah. Strat bombers.

[lunatic1]

  LOOK IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DO WHEN THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS WHY THEY ARE AFK--IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS HOW LONG THEY ARE AFK.....THEY PAY THEIR MONEY EVERY MONTH FOR THIS GAME...THEY BUY THE TOOLS TO PLAY THIS GAME-JOYSTICK'S THROTTLE'S etc.--UP DATED COMPUTERS...i don't give a frag about ENY...it's part of the game...GET OVER IT...quit trying to punish players for something they have a perfect right to do.. there are other players crying and whining and player base is dropping--but i see new players everyday---but you keep this kinda crap up and no body will want to stay.