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Title: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 11:35:12 AM
OK, maybe I've been confused about the way kills are awarded, but I thought I was pretty sure that to tower and not give away a kill with an enemy GV or aircraft as close as 400 away, you had to be sitting on concrete.

3 times I had eggs in the air, bomb crater exactly where the enemy GV had been sitting while camping our spawn, and 3 times he towered after bombs were released, no kill.

bug or am I not correct about how that works?
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Drane on April 17, 2014, 11:39:50 AM
If you filmed it send it to HT. You should have got the kills.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 11:43:37 AM
I have film of the 3rd time, it was the same guy all 3 times I'm pretty sure.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Aspen on April 17, 2014, 11:44:47 AM
He didn't get a land, he got a ditch.  Or was he landing kills?  
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: lunatic1 on April 17, 2014, 11:46:23 AM
agreed  with drane,unless he was sitting on concrete either in town or on the base------even if you was not attacking and just passing by, you should have gotten the kill.  

how close were you by the way??????????
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Aspen on April 17, 2014, 11:48:00 AM
is it possible a friendly had a ping on him and when he towered, they got the kill or were closer for a proxy?
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 11:52:10 AM
only 1 friendly nearby, he didn't get kill either. I released eggs at 400 all 3 passes.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Wiley on April 17, 2014, 12:13:41 PM
So the bombs hadn't hit yet?  Doesn't that just generate a capture/ditch on an undamaged GV, with no 'kill' awarded to anybody?

Wiley.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 12:14:00 PM
OK, maybe I've been confused about the way kills are awarded, but I thought I was pretty sure that to tower and not give away a kill with an enemy GV or aircraft as close as 400 away, you had to be sitting on concrete.

3 times I had eggs in the air, bomb crater exactly where the enemy GV had been sitting while camping our spawn, and 3 times he towered after bombs were released, no kill.

bug or am I not correct about how that works?



A spawn camper is usually in friendly territory when conducting his business. That means, the worst he can get when towering out (and being undamaged at that moment) is a 'ditch'.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Drane on April 17, 2014, 12:21:08 PM
I believe Snailman is right. I should have read your post more carefully.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 12:22:02 PM

A spawn camper is usually in friendly territory when conducting his business. That means, the worst he can get when towering out (and being undamaged at that moment) is a 'ditch'.


Upon further thought, I knew that.  :bhead

A real chickenshat part of the game, that ought to be changed. camping is cheesy enough, towering to keep from getting killed, meh.

10 second delay to tower in a GV, I say.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 12:22:31 PM
Upon further thought, I knew that.  :bhead


 :D
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Slate on April 17, 2014, 12:28:09 PM

    Is not 400 a little low to drop? Did they detonate?  :headscratch:
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 12:30:39 PM
    Is not 400 a little low to drop? Did they detonate?  :headscratch:

He didn't say he did drop from 400  :old:
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: ImADot on April 17, 2014, 12:31:23 PM
    Is not 400 a little low to drop? Did they detonate?  :headscratch:

It's 1000 feet travel distance, not altitude. If he was going fast enough it could have travelled the 1000' to arm.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: doc1kelley on April 17, 2014, 12:33:30 PM
only 1 friendly nearby, he didn't get kill either. I released eggs at 400 all 3 passes.

Perhaps your bombs weren't armed. 
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 12:35:09 PM
He didn't say he did drop from 400  :old:


Actually, he did  :o
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 01:19:01 PM

Actually, he did  :o

I always drop at around 400m, fast, shallow dive. All bombs detonated, left huge craters in almost the exact spot the T34's were sitting.

Bombs only need what, 1000 feet to arm? do the math, way more than 1200 feet of flight from release to impact, 1000kg bomb it's hard to miss. HARD pull up immediately after release.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 01:20:37 PM
Bombs only need what, 1000 feet to arm? do the math,

No need to ;)
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 01:22:18 PM
No need to ;)

 :)

I'll strike this one up as another cheesy concession to the GVer's, magical "escape death powers" to allow them to spawn camp with very little risk.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 01:24:31 PM
I'll strike this one up as another cheesy concession to the GVer's, magical "escape death powers" to allow them to spawn camp with very little risk.


I think you may be reading too much into this. That's a subsequent interpretation, but not necessarily the original intention
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 01:31:35 PM
Regardless of the intent, that's exactly how it's being used. The fact that it's not changed, IMO, is the concession.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 01:33:51 PM
Regardless of the intent, that's exactly how it's being used. The fact that it's not changed, IMO, is the concession.

A 'concession' that also works in favor of planes when ditching in friendly territory with massive damage, thus denying the enemy a kill.  ;)
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Mano on April 17, 2014, 01:36:41 PM
The plane has to be 3.5k or further for him to get a ditch or he records a capture and a kill is awarded.
Most likely he had some hits on him and that player got the kill as already mentioned.

 :salute
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 01:38:20 PM
The plane has to be 3.5k or further for him to get a ditch or he records a capture and a kill is awarded.
Most likely he had some hits on him and that player got the kill as already mentioned.


 :headscratch:
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 01:39:31 PM
The plane has to be 3.5k or further for him to get a ditch or he records a capture and a kill is awarded.
Most likely he had some hits on him and that player got the kill as already mentioned.

 :salute

Nope. Only friendly in the area said he didn't even see him, never fired. He towered after 1st drop, respawned, immediately towered as I released 2nd and 3rd time. Friendly GV never fired his gun.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Kingpin on April 17, 2014, 02:12:54 PM
Nope. Only friendly in the area said he didn't even see him, never fired. He towered after 1st drop, respawned, immediately towered as I released 2nd and 3rd time. Friendly GV never fired his gun.


5-Second Despawn Counter = Problem solved

Gets rid of the "concrete sitter syndrome" also.

(Wishlist item?)

<S>
Ryno
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 17, 2014, 02:22:25 PM

5-Second Despawn Counter = Problem solved

+1000
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: vafiii on April 17, 2014, 02:23:21 PM
Is it possible the T-34 launched counter measures?
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Wiley on April 17, 2014, 02:31:56 PM

5-Second Despawn Counter = Problem solved

Gets rid of the "concrete sitter syndrome" also.

(Wishlist item?)

<S>
Ryno

One addition to that- once you start it, no ability to cancel it midway through so people can't hit it before the plane drops and cancel if he doesn't.

Wiley.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Kingpin on April 17, 2014, 03:49:55 PM
One addition to that- once you start it, no ability to cancel it midway through so people can't hit it before the plane drops and cancel if he doesn't.

Wiley.

 :aok  Good thinkin'!

Especially for a coyote.

<S>
Ryno

Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: lunatic1 on April 17, 2014, 05:41:09 PM
a bomb has to travel 800 ft.minimum to explode--either straight down--or at an angle..anything shorter than 800 ft. it won't explode. :joystick:
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: WEZEL on April 17, 2014, 06:38:30 PM
If I am not mistaken if you tower with and enemy within 1.5k of you he gets the kill, you should have gotten the kill if you were that close to him.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 06:52:22 PM
If I am not mistaken

You are mistaken.

In friendly territory, an undamaged GV can always tower out without anyone getting a kill. If any enemy is present, it's a 'ditch', if not, a "landed".
On concrete (in friendly territory), you can always land no matter what.

Firendly territory = closest base to your current position is a friendly one.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Mano on April 17, 2014, 06:58:53 PM
a bomb has to travel 800 ft.minimum to explode--either straight down--or at an angle..anything shorter than 800 ft. it won't explode. :joystick:

I agree with that crazy lunatic   :D :D :D
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 17, 2014, 07:01:52 PM
a bomb has to travel 800 ft.minimum to explode-


1000 ft.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Aspen on April 17, 2014, 09:00:07 PM
Is it AH or is it all games with this much happening where so many experienced players don't know so many specs on how things work?  Not exempting myself either.  Seems like once or twice a week I come across something really basic that I should know or that I thought I knew but was wrong.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Changeup on April 17, 2014, 09:18:38 PM
Upon further thought, I knew that.  :bhead

A real chickenshat part of the game, that ought to be changed. camping is cheesy enough, towering to keep from getting killed, meh.

10 second delay to tower in a GV, I say.

I agree but it's like upping at a capped field.  You know they're there....
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: danny76 on April 18, 2014, 05:15:30 AM
A 'concession' that also works in favor of planes when ditching in friendly territory with massive damage, thus denying the enemy a kill.  ;)

Which should also be done away with. RL aircraft so badly damaged that they crash landed were considered kills.

Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: lunatic1 on April 18, 2014, 10:58:59 AM

1000 ft.

800ft.
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 18, 2014, 11:18:52 AM
800ft.


(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/arm_zpsf3612ba1.jpg)


 :neener:
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: lunatic1 on April 18, 2014, 12:14:32 PM

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/arm_zpsf3612ba1.jpg)


 :neener:
lol-well i'll be danged...i stand corrected..my apologies.you are right.. :salute

i see that screen every day and never payed any attention to it...for some reason i always notice  the squrrils with camera's box. and nothing else
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 18, 2014, 12:24:01 PM
..my apologies.


I don't see any need for an apology  :old:
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Aspen on April 18, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
Lets do field supplies and if they need to be dropped on concrete next  :D
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: JimmyD3 on April 21, 2014, 11:28:39 AM
 :rofl bomb**** complaining about a missed kill! :rofl :rofl Better luck next time! :cheers:
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Reaper90 on April 21, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
:rofl bomb**** complaining about a missed kill! :rofl :rofl Better luck next time! :cheers:

Well, not so much complaining about a lack of a kill as much as I thought there was something else going on, but I forgot about the fact that aircraft aren't included in the rule that you have to be farther than 6k away from a con to tower a gv safely.

And yes, I will bomb**** the crap out of spawn campers. :)
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: 68ZooM on April 21, 2014, 07:53:37 PM
lol 6 formations of lancasters can break up a spawn camp
Title: Re: spawn campers tower with no kills awarded?
Post by: Lusche on April 21, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
but I forgot about the fact that aircraft aren't included in the rule that you have to be farther than 6k away from a con to tower a gv safely.


They are included ;)