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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Coalcat1 on April 20, 2014, 02:51:37 PM
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I have found that the German tank destroyer line as well as most other tanks to be a bit... Infective against the German heavy tank beast, the tiger 2. I have found the solution to this problem, the Jagdtiger.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c6/Jagdtiger_1.jpg)
This is one of few remaining example, this one being located at Fort Benning, Georgia. This would be one of the few GVs that would be able to kill a T2 at any range beyond 1000yds due to the Pak 44, one of the best guns of WW2( based on range, and penetration). This would be a great addition to the game even though they where produced in low numbers, between 77 and 88, which if I remember correctly, was more than the numbers of Brewster B-239s. I believe it should be perked around the same as the T2, based on it being based on the same chassis. Although, I think it should be slightly cheaper due to the lack of a turret, and the extremely long reload time due to the round having a separate propellant charge.
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So your "solution" to the (non-existent) problem of the hard-to-kill Tiger II is to add the even harder to kill Jagdtiger :lol?
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The T2 is hard to kill without bombing it. The Jagdtiger would be easier to kill(lack of turret and by extent turret armor) and if it is tracked, is dead in the water where the T2 can somewhat fend for itself when tracked.
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I rather think the SU-85 and SU-100 would be more appropriate additions at this time. Tiger II's ought to be hard to kill. They are the premium perk vehicle.
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I think there should be a king of the tanks and a king of the tank destroyers, which is currently the underwhelming Jagdpanther, which would be like having only the tiger 1. The Jagdtiger would be the premium tank destroyer, as the T2 is the premium tank. :D
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I think there should be a king of the tanks and a king of the tank destroyers, which is currently the underwhelming Jagdpanther, which would be like having only the tiger 1. The Jagdtiger would be the premium tank destroyer, as the T2 is the premium tank. :D
Jagdpanther is fine for now. Eventually, sure, but currently the German vehicle list dwarfs all others and those others need some fleshing out.
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Yes, because the are the best. I would like to see the Jagdtiger added as well as the IS-1/2. I agree, with the statement that German tanks have the most representation in game, but most of the latter Russian tank destroyers where copies of German ones.
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which is currently the underwhelming Jagdpanther
Underwhelming? AH's undisputed #1 long range sniping vehicle? :huh
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Yes, because the are the best. I would like to see the Jagdtiger added as well as the IS-1/2. I agree, with the statement that German tanks have the most representation in game, but most of the latter Russian tank destroyers where copies of German ones.
Tank destroyers based on the T-34 chassis using domestic Russian guns and Russian gunsights are copies? If you say so....
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There was one that looks exactly like a Jagdpanther and pictures of them using captured stugs
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There was one that looks exactly like a Jagdpanther and pictures of them using captured stugs
And I've seen pictures of the Germans using captured T-34s and captured Shermans.
German T-34 pulled out of a bog: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNJ-acc9Qsk
It is a fairly obvious thing which shape a TD is going to be when based on a tank chassis, particularly when that tank already had very sloped armor.
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I've seen this as well, and a panzer with a KV-2 turret, and a captured Sherman with German markings...
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Then after that can we have the Maus to kill the Jagdtiger?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Metro-maus1.jpg/600px-Metro-maus1.jpg)
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Then after that can we have the Maus to kill the Jagdtiger?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Metro-maus1.jpg/600px-Metro-maus1.jpg)
:rofl On a serious note, there where enough Jagdtigers made, as a posed to 2 Mauses, 1 with a turret. If it saw action,I would say yes :D
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But one of the reasons I posted this because we have all sorts of Uber AC but only a few uber GVs, the Jagdpanther, tigers, and the wirble.
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But one of the reasons I posted this because we have all sorts of Uber AC but only a few uber GVs, the Jagdpanther, tigers, and the wirble.
The wirble is not über. :old:
I rather think the SU-85 and SU-100 would be more appropriate additions at this time. Tiger II's ought to be hard to kill. They are the premium perk vehicle.
I agree with Karnak, we need more Russian vehicles.
And we gotta give the 251 a 75mm PaK gun. :aok
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But one of the reasons I posted this because we have all sorts of Uber AC but only a few uber GVs, the Jagdpanther, tigers, and the wirble.
Panther, Firefly.
The fact is that our ratio of super vehicle to not-super vehicle is far higher than our ratio of super plane to not-super plane.
This is exacerbated by the fact that a D3A1 is quite capable of punching little holes in your Me262 and shooting it down, whereas a Type 97 Chi-Ha is quite incapable of punching holes in your Tiger II and destroying it. These things are much more absolute with GVs than they are with airplanes.
Airplanes even have more of a trade off. Sure, a non-dumb Me262 driver isn't going to get killed by a D3A1 driver, but that D3A1 driver can make himself almost unkillable by the Me262 through use of his plane's strengths. There is little that the Type 97 Chi-Ha driver can do to avoid being rapidly killed when faced with any of the tanks we already have in AH.
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This is what we need :old:
HS129B/3 JagdMonsterKeeler
(http://www.wwiiaircraftphotos.com/LCBW11/Hs129-75mm-6bf+s.jpg)
:cheers:
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We don't need another GV, we need another concrete hugger even less.
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Then after that can we have the Maus to kill the Jagdtiger?
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Metro-maus1.jpg/600px-Metro-maus1.jpg)
You realize, of course, that is just going to stay true to human form and keep escalating. :old:
(http://realitypod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/T-28-Gun-Motor-Carriage-T95.jpg)
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Panther, Firefly.
The fact is that our ratio of super vehicle to not-super vehicle is far higher than our ratio of super plane to not-super plane.
This is exacerbated by the fact that a D3A1 is quite capable of punching little holes in your Me262 and shooting it down, whereas a Type 97 Chi-Ha is quite incapable of punching holes in your Tiger II and destroying it. These things are much more absolute with GVs than they are with airplanes.
Airplanes even have more of a trade off. Sure, a non-dumb Me262 driver isn't going to get killed by a D3A1 driver, but that D3A1 driver can make himself almost unkillable by the Me262 through use of his plane's strengths. There is little that the Type 97 Chi-Ha driver can do to avoid being rapidly killed when faced with any of the tanks we already have in AH.
And this is especially more so in an environ where armoured fighting vehicle bounce off of or get mugged and raped by the trees and other ground objects they desperately need to get close to for camouflage,cover and concealment.
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This is what we need :old:
HS129B/3 JagdMonsterKeeler
(http://www.wwiiaircraftphotos.com/LCBW11/Hs129-75mm-6bf+s.jpg)
:cheers:
Where can I get one...
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You realize, of course, that is just going to stay true to human form and keep escalating. :old:
(http://realitypod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/T-28-Gun-Motor-Carriage-T95.jpg)
If the T95 saw combat it would be a big +1
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+1
We don't need "gold ammo" to kill it, we just bomb it. :D
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The king of long range tank battles is the Jagdpanther. The 10X optics and the 88mm KwK 43 L/71 main gun is truly king in AH. When operated by properly trained crewman or crewmen with a bit of experience it was devastating in WWII. Unmatched, really.
However, the bane of any of the turret-less AFV's in AH is going to be a laddie with the bravado of brass 'nads flying to the flank in an M18.
Don't try and beat the King Tiger, Tiger, Panther, or Jadgpanther in a long range duel using the same long range tit-for-tat tactic unless you have the utmost confidence you can adjust your fire quicker than the other guy. You're only playing roulette when you do so.
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You realize, of course, that is just going to stay true to human form and keep escalating. :old:
(http://realitypod.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/T-28-Gun-Motor-Carriage-T95.jpg)
(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/113/5/4/WW2_Super_Tank_by_VonBrrr.jpg)
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FYI
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/crvstiger168to170_zpsed233c11.jpg)
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Snailman, I remember seeing my 88 round from my Jagdpanther pen. your turret from less than 1k out and do little damage to your T2. This would have been a very different story if I had a Jagdtiger. :D
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I think there should be a king of the tanks and a king of the tank destroyers, which is currently the underwhelming Jagdpanther, which would be like having only the tiger 1. The Jagdtiger would be the premium tank destroyer, as the T2 is the premium tank. :D
Correct me if Im wrong but doesnt the Jagdpanther have the same 8.8 pak 43/L71 gun as the Tiger ll? "Underwhelming"?
"Frightening" is more like it.
We need the SU-100 in order to get a Soviet TD thats even in its class. "Any" other then German TD in its class. To be honest I think that 43/L71 gun was the best armor killer in the war.
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(http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/113/5/4/WW2_Super_Tank_by_VonBrrr.jpg)
I got yer answer right here Larry!
(http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1394/86/1394869518808.png)
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Game took a nosedive when all the "Ubertanks" started showing up..
No movement penalties for all that Tonnage, just unrealistic..
Firefly + Pzkw IV + T34 + Sherman, and the Tiger1 as the perk tank..
The perfect mix!
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Game took a nosedive when all the "Ubertanks" started showing up..
No movement penalties for all that Tonnage, just unrealistic..
Firefly + Pzkw IV + T34 + Sherman, and the Tiger1 as the perk tank..
The perfect mix!
The ground war, or the war in general? Because Snailman has shown that GV usage has a negligible correlation with aircraft usage.
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+1 :aok
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The ground war, or the war in general? Because Snailman has shown that GV usage has a negligible correlation with aircraft usage.
Well, I guess the game has "Grown" in my absence???
Doesn't seem so..
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Well, I guess the game has "Grown" in my absence???
Doesn't seem so..
Irrelevant. Simply because we got the KT and Jagdpanther, that doesn't at all mean that they are the reason the game has shrunk.
We've also gotten the Tu-2, Yak-3, Yak-7B, Me 410, He-111, P-40F, P-40N, B-29, Ki-43, and Ju-87G since the game has started shrinking. Its equally likely they are the ones responsible for killing the game.
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LOL, irrelevant, OK whatever..
But, the fact remains!
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LOL, irrelevant, OK whatever..
But, the fact remains!
But it doesn't. All we KNOW is the game has shrunk. We don't know for sure if its the economy, or GV's, or the B-29, or the new Yak's, or the will of god.
What we do know, however, is that there's no evidence besides correlation (really just means that two things happen to coincide), which isn't evidence at all.
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OK sure, whatever.. :banana:
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LOL, irrelevant, OK whatever..
But, the fact remains!
It's also a fact that the game 'shrunk' a lot a long time before any of the new uber tanks were added, and long before the GV control system was changed as well... ;)
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It's also a fact that the game 'shrunk' a lot a long time before any of the new uber tanks were added, and long before the GV control system was changed as well... ;)
Well you are the number cruncher Lusche, and I don't care enough to argue a most likely losing battle..
Congrats!
Just my perception is all, doesn't matter.. :salute