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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Coalcat1 on May 23, 2014, 05:17:56 PM
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On Memorial Day I am planing a cross-team B29 flight to honor those who have given their lives to protect the US and many other countries and their freedoms. If you are willing to take part in this flight, take up a B29, single B29 or a formation with a metallic skin or a P51D, with a metallic skin as well. For anyone wishing to join, the VOX will be 234 and we will meet up near the crater at 5PM EST, if we are still on craterMA. And for those who want to be A-holes and try and kill us, may the escorts and the guns of many B29s make your death swift!
:salute Coalcat1
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I think it's best to do this somewhere other than the MA in order to avoid interference and disruption.
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I think it's best to do this somewhere other than the MA in order to avoid interference and disruption.
I agree, can you set something up in the TA for us?
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I would prefer to do this in the MA, but if I must...
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With any luck I'll be up there as an escort Coal. :)
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With any luck I'll be up there as an escort Coal. :)
I swear to god if you shoot... if you don't, it will prove you have self control... :old:
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I swear to god if you shoot... if you don't, it will prove you have self control... :old:
I'll bring a 262 :neener:
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To 30k, if so, I've mistaken your level of intelligence :neener:
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I agree, can you set something up in the TA for us?
What do you have in mind? You can already just show up and fly.
I would prefer to do this in the MA, but if I must...
You can do it in the MA but you have to accept the potential problems.
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What do you have in mind? You can already just show up and fly.
You can do it in the MA but you have to accept the potential problems.
I know there are problems involved, but I hope there will be enough escorts and gunners to f up any A-hole who wants to f with the formation.
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I know there are problems involved, but I hope there will be enough escorts and gunners to f up any A-hole who wants to f with the formation.
Try to keep in mind that there is nothing wrong with attacking enemy aircraft in the MA.
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I'll never understand how people think a cartoon airplane formation honors people that died in real wars.
If you want to honor them do something real in their honor. Like take gifts to a VA hospital or take
flags and place them on the graves of veterans. Or do something for your community in their honor.
Like organizing a park cleanup or cematary cleanup. Sitting on your arse playing the same game you
play day after day but saying your doing it for them on this one day seems a bit hollow and a cop out to me.
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I'll never understand how people think a cartoon airplane formation honors people that died in real wars.
If you want to honor them do something real in their honor. Like take gifts to a VA hospital or take
flags and place them on the graves of veterans. Or do something for your community in their honor.
Like organizing a park cleanup or cematary cleanup. Sitting on your arse playing the same game you
play day after day but saying your doing it for them on this one day seems a bit hollow and a cop out to me.
I believe it's the thought that counts. Taking the time to get together for the purpose of remembering and honoring the sacrifices made seems more important to me than the actual activity. That's why I wouldn't choose to risk disruptions to the event.
I think your ideas are good too. :salute
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We can do this in Da or the TA and have many more people involved, we can do a flyover of one of the bases with smoke on and a Wirble salute.
LawnDart
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I believe it's the thought that counts.
The thought, and the action. That was Shifty's point. Very easy to fly a memorial flight in AH. More difficult to actually get off one's butt and do something.
- oldman
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The thought, and the action. That was Shifty's point. Very easy to fly a memorial flight in AH. More difficult to actually get off one's butt and do something.
- oldman
I got his point. What level of difficulty do you find acceptable?
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I'll never understand how people think a cartoon airplane formation honors people that died in real wars.
If you want to honor them do something real in their honor. Like take gifts to a VA hospital or take
flags and place them on the graves of veterans. Or do something for your community in their honor.
Like organizing a park cleanup or cematary cleanup. Sitting on your arse playing the same game you
play day after day but saying your doing it for them on this one day seems a bit hollow and a cop out to me.
As a Veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom (03-04) I agree with Shifty..... Now all you naysayers look at his sig line and See that quote is from his SON.
I got his point. What level of difficulty do you find acceptable?
IE something that requires you to go out of your way...... not something you do anyway on a regular basis. Remember most of us Military or Ex-Military guys look on the rest of the world as lazy slobs with poor work ethics.
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As a Veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom (03-04) I agree with Shifty..... Now all you naysayers look at his sig line and See that quote is from his SON.
What naysayers? Coalcat is organizing an event for Memorial day. Do you really need to complain about that when so many people just consider it a day off from work?
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I think it's best to do this somewhere other than the MA in order to avoid interference and disruption.
Yes, as many of us are plotting to attack your formation with our ME-262s. :D
:bolt:
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The thought, and the action. That was Shifty's point. Very easy to fly a memorial flight in AH. More difficult to actually get off one's butt and do something.
- oldman
Yes, because God is huge on this sort of thing. "God is on the side with the most artillery." - Napoleon (?)
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The thought, and the action. That was Shifty's point. Very easy to fly a memorial flight in AH. More difficult to actually get off one's butt and do something.
- oldman
Bulls eye.
Yes, as many of us are plotting to attack your formation with our ME-262s. :D
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Of course there are, after all its a game where the point is to shoot down cartoon airplanes.
The original post contains vieled challenges to interfere and referring to those that do as A-holes.
If the true intent of this exercise is to honor the fallen.. It is already lost in sophomoric drama.
That is why in my opinion an on-line computer airplane game is no place to honor actual
heroes. All the attention is on the perceived good guys and bad guys of the cartoon sortie.
It says look at us and what we're doing way more than it says thank you for your sacrifices to the
Soldier Sailors Airmen and Marines in graves across the globe.
However these very people in those graves paid for all of us to have our opinions and the freedom to express ourselves.
So good luck with your memorial flight. I do hope you'll at least consider moving it to the TA where it cannot be attacked.
That way you don't lose the message of your memorial in the drama of a cartoon airplane game. The men in those graves
deserve better.
Good Luck. :aok
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I was joking, in any event.
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For me a simple salute and a sincere "thanks for a job well done" post here on the bbs would be more welcome than a flight in the MA, given the type of responses in the past. Idk, just my .02 cents worth.
Nutz
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On Memorial Day I am planing a cross-team B29 flight to honor those who have given their lives to protect the US and many other countries and their freedoms. If you are willing to take part in this flight, take up a B29, single B29 or a formation with a metallic skin or a P51D, with a metallic skin as well. For anyone wishing to join, the VOX will be 234 and we will meet up near the crater at 5PM EST, if we are still on craterMA. And for those who want to be A-holes and try and kill us, may the escorts and the guns of many B29s make your death swift!
:salute Coalcat1
As a bish im in...
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Memorial Day 2 Years ago. I am not knocking Coalcat - his heart is in the right place. But I do want to share these images with you.
My Great Uncle Oscar was 18 years old when he died close to Verdun in 1918 fighting under Pershing. My father, now 83, never met the man but heard many stories about him from my Grandfather (who also fought there). My grandfather made it back but never knew what happened to his younger brother.
My dad joined me for my retirement in 2011 and I took him to Normandy. On the way back, we hit 3 ABM memorial battlefield/cemeteries and, by chance, we found Uncle Oscar's grave.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/DSC_0554.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/DSC_0554.jpg.html)
Dad and I at Uncle Oscar's grave. We were the first family members to visit.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012188.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012188.jpg.html)
French Guard honoring the fallen
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012148.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012148.jpg.html)
U.S. Honor Guard posting the Colors
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012153.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012153.jpg.html)
Dad
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012181.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012181.jpg.html)
I won't forget
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012190.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012190.jpg.html)
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Memorial Day 2 Years ago. I am not knocking Coalcat - his heart is in the right place. But I do want to share these images with you.
My Great Uncle Oscar was 18 years old when he died close to Verdun in 1918 fighting under Pershing. My father, now 83, never met the man but heard many stories about him from my Grandfather (who also fought there). My grandfather made it back but never knew what happened to his younger brother.
My dad joined me for my retirement in 2011 and I took him to Normandy. On the way back, we hit 3 ABM memorial battlefield/cemeteries and, by chance, we found Uncle Oscar's grave.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/DSC_0554.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/DSC_0554.jpg.html)
Dad and I at Uncle Oscar's grave. We were the first family members to visit.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012188.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012188.jpg.html)
French Guard honoring the fallen
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012148.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012148.jpg.html)
U.S. Honor Guard posting the Colors
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012153.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012153.jpg.html)
Dad
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012181.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012181.jpg.html)
I won't forget
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012190.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012190.jpg.html)
Fantastic post Ammo, and it sums this thread up perfectly. Thanks for sharing your family history with us.
:salute
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Good luck.
I'd join you, but I fear I must be at work that day.
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Occasionally they work, but "non combat" memorial flights routinely do not end up well in the MA. You simply can not expect people to approach one guns cold. Because...
- Few players do bother with these forums at all, so they don't know about it
- MA communications are very chaotic, often there are many misinformations for every correct one being broadcast on the radio text channels "it's a memorial fight" "no, it's not" "they shot at me". Also many (most?) players aren't tuned to CH200 were the mission guys may try to clear things up.
- Lot's of players from all over the world may not even know what this thing is about or that there's a special day at that date. They also might simply not have a command of the English language to understand what's going on at all. They may even not care if they do, because they may see things a tad differently for various reasons...
- It only needs one shot being fired ad mayhem can ensue
So it's a very bad idea to go to the MA and expect anyone to stand aside while you cross into hostile territory. If an air display is what you have in mind, the MA is not your place. If you still do, accept that you may (and probably will) be shot at.
If you still point fingers on others after that, it's pointing in the wrong direction. ;)
Speaking from this experience... as far as I am concerned: If it's red, it's dead. (Unless it kills me first ;))
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Memorial Day 2 Years ago. I am not knocking Coalcat - his heart is in the right place. But I do want to share these images with you.
My Great Uncle Oscar was 18 years old when he died close to Verdun in 1918 fighting under Pershing. My father, now 83, never met the man but heard many stories about him from my Grandfather (who also fought there). My grandfather made it back but never knew what happened to his younger brother.
My dad joined me for my retirement in 2011 and I took him to Normandy. On the way back, we hit 3 ABM memorial battlefield/cemeteries and, by chance, we found Uncle Oscar's grave.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/DSC_0554.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/DSC_0554.jpg.html)
Dad and I at Uncle Oscar's grave. We were the first family members to visit.
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012188.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012188.jpg.html)
French Guard honoring the fallen
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012148.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012148.jpg.html)
U.S. Honor Guard posting the Colors
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012153.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012153.jpg.html)
Dad
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012181.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012181.jpg.html)
I won't forget
(http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb1/bigsargewells/VacationwithDad_Becky2012190.jpg) (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/bigsargewells/media/VacationwithDad_Becky2012190.jpg.html)
That's what Memorial Day is about. Well done, sir! :salute
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Nice pics Ammo. :salute
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Didn't the last B-29 memorial flight bomb somebody's HQ? Seems like major league dbaggery to request not to be fired upon and them bomb the crap out of someone from 30k.
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Didn't the last B-29 memorial flight bomb somebody's HQ?
totally obliterated the strats of one country.
From my perspective:
I just had logged on I think and saw that huge enemy darbar creeping towards our strats on TAGMA (large map). Obviously a strat raid! I upped my 262 and followed country chat (not being tuned to 200). At some point, the only reliable intel was that it's being an escorted B-29 raid. Even alt and position updates were unclear, as it often is. There was a rumor that this was to be an memorial raid, but many others denied this, after they allegedly had been shot at. Who really shot first, them or us? Nobody really knew. Then they reached the strats and obliterated them.
Not having read about it on the BBS (I don't read every single thread here every day), I was at this point totally convinced that this "memorial run" thing was fake. Who in the world would do a peaceful "memorial run" to an enemy country's strats, at 25K in B-29 and carrying a full compliment of bombs? Why not at least jettison the bombs and NOT flying to the single most critical target on the whole map?
To this day I still don't know if it was meant to be a "guns cold" memorial mission, or a combat memorial mission. But what I do know how chaotic it was, and how extremely ugly the mud slinging was on all channels after that ("no longer have ANY respect for you" and stuff like this)
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Not having read about it on the BBS (I don't read every single thread here every day), I was at this point totally convinced that this "memorial run" thing was fake. Who in the world would do a peaceful "memorial run" to an enemy country's strats, at 25K in B-29 and carrying a full compliment of bombs? Why not at least jettison the bombs and NOT flying to the single most critical target on the whole map?
If it was legit, they would have dumped their bombs on the runway and maybe did a low altitude route across bases in the center of the map, for all countries to join.
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A memorial flight is not a memorial raid. If somebody called off resistance for a memorial flight in the MA and bombed targets they should face consequences. If it's a memorial raid they should be attacked.
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A memorial flight is not a memorial raid. If somebody called off resistance for a memorial flight in the MA and bombed targets they should face consequences.
The line of argumentation I saw was "you attacked the memorial flight first, so we had the right to bomb". Even if that was true (which I dont know), I'd still say that bringing a fully armed memorial flight to the enemy strats is either dishonest or (more probably) dumb.
In the end this doesn't matter because my my point, as elaborated in my first post above: The MA is not place for a memorial flight at all. It's just asking for trouble. Memorial raids? Yes, very much so.
For a memorial flight, use an arena like TA or SEA, in both arenas you can also get help by players with arena administrative powers to ensure it all works out.
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I agree Lusche. Flying England to France in SEA would be a nice event.
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I was in a memorial flight a couple of months ago and we had lots of players from other countries join us, a few flew with us then decided to attack us, the word was passed that no matter what we were to not shoot back. I saw one of our players line up on an enemy 190 who was just flying along and missed the shot and the 190 killed him in about 3 seconds, we congratulated the enemy 190 and he flew with us without any more incident.
at the end we all in country passed the word that we were going to bail and give all the enemy players a good laugh while landing proxies. some guys landed 15+ and it was awesome.
then we gave the word on 200 that that we were doing a memorial raid to the nearest field and all were welcome to stop us. we took the field completely but noticed 2 or 3 players that were flying with us in the memorial flight but hadnt landed yet at the same airfield. we let them land just within seconds of us taking the field. it was an awesome memorial flight.
semp
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I'll never understand how people think a cartoon airplane formation honors people that died in real wars.
If you want to honor them do something real in their honor. Like take gifts to a VA hospital or take
flags and place them on the graves of veterans. Or do something for your community in their honor.
Like organizing a park cleanup or cematary cleanup. Sitting on your arse playing the same game you
play day after day but saying your doing it for them on this one day seems a bit hollow and a cop out to me.
Cynical, but dripping with truth. Well written.
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I think that if something like this were happening in the MA then fighters would be better than bombers. A bomber is too much temptation (especially B-29s) and a flock of fighters would be a bit more intimidating to would be attackers.
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I'll never understand how people think a cartoon airplane formation honors people that died in real wars.
We are flying in cartoon airplanes because flying these planes is fun....when you don't risk the chance of dying for real.
A memorial flight is our way of acknowledging that there were those who did this for real. They flew for real. They fought for real. They died for real. Flying this flight simulator has given me a new respect for those who did it for real. I have no chance to fly a real airplane in a memorial flight. So I will have to settle for flying a simulated airplane as a real salute to those who died for real.
I think it is a fitting tribute.
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Coalcat, I agree that this would probably work better in the TA. We wouldn't have to switch sides, and less chance of interference.
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We are flying in cartoon airplanes because flying these planes is fun....when you don't risk the chance of dying for real.
A memorial flight is our way of acknowledging that there were those who did this for real. They flew for real. They fought for real. They died for real. Flying this flight simulator has given me a new respect for those who did it for real. I have no chance to fly a real airplane in a memorial flight. So I will have to settle for flying a simulated airplane as a real salute to those who died for real.
I think it is a fitting tribute.
To play pretend is a fitting tribute? I don't agree, but knock yourself out.
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To play pretend is a fitting tribute? I don't agree, but knock yourself out.
CAF would disagree. But I see your point in this case.
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I wont attack or participate in any such flight because of the last b29 memorial flight for some reason was carrying bombs.
do a C202 memorial flight instead.
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or you could do it in the AVA, where the staff would make sure that no one attacked and you could drop your bombs to your hearts content! its all about options. The AVA can take up to 500 players, so theres no shortage of space.... only one country would be open to fly. that eliminates attacks.
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CAF would disagree. But I see your point in this case.
I assume CAF refers to Commemorative Air Force. If so that is a bit different. They spend thousands every time they fly where we just sit down with our beverage of choice and login to AH.
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I'll never understand how people think a cartoon airplane formation honors people that died in real wars.
If you want to honor them do something real in their honor. Like take gifts to a VA hospital or take
flags and place them on the graves of veterans. Or do something for your community in their honor.
Like organizing a park cleanup or cematary cleanup. Sitting on your arse playing the same game you
play day after day but saying your doing it for them on this one day seems a bit hollow and a cop out to me.
Truth. Not only that, but it shows that even in your "honor," you're really just doing something you enjoy for your own selfishness. If you really wanted to show some respect, you could cancel your subscription for a month or two and use the money saved to do something for the deceased's family or donate it to a cause that they supported or were involved in - you know, actually honor them. Of course, 99% of those who actually participate in memorial flights are never going to do this, because all they understand is playing a game day after day.
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See you in a couple of months skyyr.
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See you in a couple of months skyyr.
Why? No one I know of or respect in-game has passed away. If you're talking specifically about Memorial Day, I've paid my dues.
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See you in a couple of months skyyr.
You're speaking to a veteran, mister.
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You're speaking to a veteran, mister.
Indeed. A very well informed one who has an incredibly detailed knowledge of the players who participate in memorial flights.
Memorial day is about remembering those who died in service. It's not about pissing on people you think you're superior to.
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Indeed. A very well informed one who has an incredibly detailed knowledge of the players who participate in memorial flights.
Memorial day is about remembering those who died in service. It's not about pissing on people you think you're superior to.
:confused: :headscratch: ^^^^ Slipped out of the space-time continuum and wound up in the wrong thread. :rolleyes: