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Title: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 11, 2014, 10:33:02 PM
so you like playing Aces High and think of it as a simulator of WW2...

thats awesome but the major issue with that is you would NEVER see a 51 go against a 51...or spit vs spit...ECT ECT

the MA is a COMBAT sandbox to make what ever you want out of it.....but it is silly to think of it as a sim for WW2 due to the previous aspects of AH I mentioned....

so here is a Challenge for YOU

you like to survive....you want to "simulate" the war...

4 times a month when it is run......there is what is called "scenarios"

and THIS is where you can simulate WW2......

the Scenario running NOW is the Pacific War.....


lets see if you have what it takes....

walk ons are welcome....

so NO need to be in a squad...


if I can survive.....maybe you can. :uhoh



on the way to Pearl Harbor

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/PH02_zps853bbe61.png) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/PH02_zps853bbe61.png.html)

making one wish he had better SA

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/PH_zps66f677fc.png) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/PH_zps66f677fc.png.html)

must kill round eye

(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/PH01_zps03258679.png) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/PH01_zps03258679.png.html)

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: SilverZ06 on June 11, 2014, 10:41:40 PM
If that didn't end with you augering into a ship on purpose then you did not simulate the war  ;)
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 11, 2014, 10:45:22 PM
If that didn't end with you augering into a ship on purpose then you did not simulate the war  ;)


 :rofl

actually they didn't start those "tactics" till the end of the war :neener:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ROC on June 12, 2014, 02:02:01 AM
Quote
If that didn't end with you augering into a ship on purpose then you did not simulate the war  Wink
Bahhh, that's frame 4, heck we're just going into frame 2  :airplane:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 12, 2014, 02:44:15 AM
Bahhh, that's frame 4, heck we're just going into frame 2  :airplane:


 :rock :rock

truly awesome what you guys put on....

I know I appreciate it. :salute
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Debrody on June 12, 2014, 03:41:45 AM
 :rofl :rofl
 :ahand
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Bruv119 on June 12, 2014, 04:17:58 AM
 :rock
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: LilMak on June 12, 2014, 06:28:19 AM
Pretty much sums up my opinion about the survivalists in the MA and then standing behind the "it happened in the war" defense. The MA doesn't even come remotely close to scenerios as far as realisitc combat. I play them like they are two completly different games. In the MA I have my little code I follow. In the scenerios and FSO, I will pull every dirty little trick in the book to survive and win.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: waystin2 on June 12, 2014, 06:55:00 AM
 :rock :x :banana: :aok
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: SilverZ06 on June 12, 2014, 07:09:51 AM

 :rofl

actually they didn't start those "tactics" till the end of the war :neener:

hmm. I'm going to have to refer back to my historical documents on that. ...

[Puts Pearl Harbor DVD  in] :bolt:


 :D
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: HighTone on June 12, 2014, 06:57:38 PM
Man them Tainan Kokutai skins look good.  :cheers:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Dragon Tamer on June 12, 2014, 08:38:49 PM
hmm. I'm going to have to refer back to my historical documents on that. ...

[Puts Pearl Harbor DVD  in] :bolt:


 :D

P-40s can turn with Zekes if you pull on the stick hard enough!  :old:

It was in the movie, it must be true!  :old:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: M0nkey_Man on June 13, 2014, 01:00:23 PM
P-40s can turn with Zekes if you pull on the stick hard enough!  :old:

It was in the movie, it must be true!  :old:
:rofl :rofl
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 13, 2014, 01:16:42 PM
to bad the I "fly to live" crowd doesn't get into Scenarios more....(although I am sure there are some already that do)

this is where those skills would shine....and actually be worth something.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Triton28 on June 13, 2014, 01:18:47 PM
to bad the I "fly to live" crowd doesn't get into Scenarios more....(although I am sure there are some already that do)

this is where those skills would shine....and actually be worth something.

Right you are.  FSO and scenarios are built for pragmatic flying... mainly because your team suffers a point loss and loses a plane if you die.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 13, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
Right you are.  FSO and scenarios are built for pragmatic flying... mainly because your team suffers a point loss and loses a plane if you die.

cant be true...I dont know what I am talking about..... :uhoh



 :D
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Lusche on June 13, 2014, 03:04:00 PM
Everytime I up, I'm in my own particular mini-scenario. My settings, my 'rules', and only I can judge the outcome.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Stampf on June 13, 2014, 03:05:10 PM
Everytime I up, I'm in my own particular mini-scenario. My settings, my 'rules', and only I can judge the outcome.

Wisdom.

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Changeup on June 13, 2014, 03:16:49 PM
Everytime I up, I'm in my own particular mini-scenario. My settings, my 'rules', and only I can judge the outcome.

This makes sense....
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: TonyJoey on June 13, 2014, 03:20:34 PM
Everytime I up, I'm in my own particular mini-scenario. My settings, my 'rules', and only I can judge the outcome.

Same here, I get giddy when I see a lone 109 or 190, and will even turn icons off if I don't think I'll be bounced.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Stampf on June 13, 2014, 03:35:40 PM
Same here, I get giddy when I see a lone 109 or 190, and will even turn icons off if I don't think I'll be bounced.

You're having one hell of a good run at it too.

<S>

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Kodiak on June 14, 2014, 09:16:16 AM
Everytime I up, I'm in my own particular mini-scenario. My settings, my 'rules', and only I can judge the outcome.

Ditto.  In every MA sortie I fly I try to find something to do that a WWII pilot would have done, whether its escorting bombers or a jabo strike on an airfield I try to get a WWII vibe from the sortie.  Bombers to the Strats...nope, its bombers to Cologne :old:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: uptown on June 14, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
I heard the enemy shoots at you in these scenarios. Funk that, I'm hauling supplies!!!!  :bolt:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 14, 2014, 07:09:17 PM
Everytime I up, I'm in my own particular mini-scenario. My settings, my 'rules', and only I can judge the outcome.

Someone defining how they should enjoy and challenge themselves for the money they pay each month. *gasp* it cannot be! And you do so without making a fuss or infringing on others too?! Heresy!

Well done sir.  :salute
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Crash Orange on June 21, 2014, 09:40:06 PM
Well, Ink, I have to say based on the first three weeks anyone who survives the whole event in a dive bomber or torpedo plane is either hiding in the paint locker when pilots are mustered or is the best dang pilot in the history of combat sims. Those things are freakin' deathtraps!  :O And that's without the really awful ones like the SB2U or TBD.

Might be doable in a fighter but again from results so far you might want to try it in something that's made out of duralumin instead of rice paper. I'm just sayin'. Those Zekes sure look purty as Roman candles though.  :neener:

Today's highlight:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/AH%20Screenshots/Hanging_zpsfd6b0f50.jpg)

Up, up and away...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/AH%20Screenshots/Ouch_zpse0906ebe.jpg)

Chukka chukka chukka!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v113/crackthelens/AH%20Screenshots/Mightneedthat_zpsa41df891.jpg)

He might have needed those parts.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: muzik on June 22, 2014, 06:03:12 PM
so you like playing Aces High and think of it as a simulator of WW2...

thats awesome but the major issue with that is you would NEVER see a 51 go against a 51...or spit vs spit...ECT ECT

the MA is a COMBAT sandbox to make what ever you want out of it.....but it is silly to think of it as a sim for WW2 due to the previous aspects of AH I mentioned....

so here is a Challenge for YOU

you like to survive....you want to "simulate" the war...

4 times a month when it is run......there is what is called "scenarios"

and THIS is where you can simulate WW2......

the Scenario running NOW is the Pacific War.....


lets see if you have what it takes....

walk ons are welcome....

so NO need to be in a squad...

First I must say your avatar is undeniable proof ht took the moderating way too far, or not far enough, I'm not sure which.


The fact is you are right... sandbox... player choice. But you and plenty of others, don't accept that others aren't playing your way.

I completely agree that there's some lame behavior in the game, but it's always been there. The only way to change that is to create some structure in the game.

Combat has to be compulsory. There has to be objectives that must be carried out and consequences for not carrying them out.

It doesn't have to be your way or the highway. There could be portions of complete autonomy and portions with a structured game in the same arena.

For the game to be really successful, it should be easy for players to choose or change what suits their mood in an instant.   

Telling people that if they want to play a war or survivalist game, that they should go to a special event is not going to help anything.

You are already a minority by most accounts, how does it help your cause by alienating the majority out of the MA? (not that they listen)

A percentage of your fights occur between you and "the other" type of players. Keeping players of all tastes in the same arena is a benefit.

The problem with your suggestion is the scenarios are inconvenient, take work to organize and are too restrictive. 

It doesn't have to be that way and I think you will find that out in the next couple years.

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: BaldEagl on June 22, 2014, 06:54:17 PM
...

Wow!  I don't even know where to start.

All I read into Ink's post was that he was encouraging people to try scenarios while pointing out some of the differences between them and the MA.

I think Pacific War is Ink's first scenario so when I read his post I knew exactly where he was coming from.  In fact, scenarios about the only thing that keep me here anymore.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: muzik on June 22, 2014, 07:48:05 PM
Wow!  I don't even know where to start.

All I read into Ink's post was that he was encouraging people to try scenarios while pointing out some of the differences between them and the MA.

I think Pacific War is Ink's first scenario so when I read his post I knew exactly where he was coming from.  In fact, scenarios about the only thing that keep me here anymore.

If that was all you got out of that then perhaps you've missed Ink's fascinating posts over the years, like 'Crane Kung Fu, Elegant Self Defense or Gay Aerobics.' Or 'To Fight and Die Aces High.' How bout 'Dinner Formals: Nun Chucks or Butterfly Knives?'

Maybe you never noticed his paper shredder or the Samurai sword spinners on his Ki, but I'm fairly certain his favorite "cause" is well embedded in the OP.

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 22, 2014, 10:11:33 PM
I LOVE INK DE KLINGON!  HIZ BAT'LETH IZ DA BESTEST EVAH!   :aok

(http://www.startrek.com/uploads/assets/articles/ca356638c0f0efd5a42e70b04ed3657ba6019eab.jpg)

  :rofl

And now for a little music from our sponsors....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faf1ch7Q9XE&feature=kp (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Faf1ch7Q9XE&feature=kp)
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Debrody on June 23, 2014, 12:59:39 AM
wow, the perfect candy-gentleman have spoken.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: zack1234 on June 23, 2014, 01:36:03 AM
Everytime I up, I'm in my own particular mini-scenario. My settings, my 'rules', and only I can judge the outcome.
Gibberish
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 23, 2014, 06:45:40 AM
wow, the perfect candy-gentleman have spoken.

  :lol



Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: BnZs on June 23, 2014, 08:15:37 AM
Gibberish

No, Snail is German. The Gibbers are an ancient people, now mostly forgotten. Some of them settled in Yorkshire where their language survives to this day.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 23, 2014, 10:24:59 AM
The Gibbers are an ancient people, now mostly forgotten. Some of them settled in Yorkshire where their language survives to this day.

Are they related to Hobbits?

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02419/Hobbit-film-Tolkie_2419944b.jpg)

Recent picture of zach1234, taken in park close to his hobbit hol...eerrrrrr...home.


Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on June 23, 2014, 11:24:09 AM
Sort of... Understand, the gene pool through the centuries is relatively small for these people, to put it nicely. But then, Zack can tell us more about that as well.  :D

Kidding, of course... It's like I say, utlimately, you will all understand that this is Zack's world and you're living in it at his service and pleasure.

They make wonderful pets, don't they, Zack?
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: fuzeman on June 23, 2014, 11:29:31 AM
Maybe but KOTH will pack more dogfighting into your AH hour than any other event HiTech Creations has. It also gets you quite familiar with the whole group of fighter or fighter attack planes we have.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on June 23, 2014, 12:23:47 PM
Maybe but KOTH will pack more dogfighting into your AH hour than any other event HiTech Creations has. It also gets you quite familiar with the whole group of fighter or fighter attack planes we have.
I was within 2k of 10 zekes last Saturday and they wouldn't commit even 1 to a fight. Flew around until the last 15 minutes of scenario just to fight 3 zekes who decided to grow some. Last week was a boring frame.

Koth on the other hand is some of the best fights besides the rare clean fight in MA or the 1v1s in the DA.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: BnZs on June 23, 2014, 01:00:44 PM
Are they related to Hobbits?

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02419/Hobbit-film-Tolkie_2419944b.jpg)

Recent picture of zach1234, taken in park close to his hobbit hol...eerrrrrr...home.




Hey, my people LOVE to visit hobbits...their pantries are always well-stocked!
(https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10473196_10100492137963868_3556727750477957630_n.jpg)
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Nefarious on June 24, 2014, 11:19:44 AM

Koth on the other hand is some of the best fights besides the rare clean fight in MA or the 1v1s in the DA.

You should check out Combat Challenge this Friday night for lots of fights and chances to win cool prizes.

 :salute
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on June 26, 2014, 10:01:02 PM
You should check out Combat Challenge this Friday night for lots of fights and chances to win cool prizes.

 :salute
Seen this being announced in game and was definitely interested Nef. :salute
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: HighTone on June 26, 2014, 10:15:21 PM
I was within 2k of 10 zekes last Saturday and they wouldn't commit even 1 to a fight. Flew around until the last 15 minutes of scenario just to fight 3 zekes who decided to grow some. Last week was a boring frame.

Koth on the other hand is some of the best fights besides the rare clean fight in MA or the 1v1s in the DA.

The Zekes should of just hung out all frame in our CV ack like the wildcats did...that would of made an awesome frame  :ahand
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on June 26, 2014, 10:21:32 PM
The Zekes should of just hung out all frame in our CV ack like the wildcats did...that would of made an awesome frame  :ahand
That's funny we were 2 sectors from the CV group when we ran into those 10 zekes...Zekes ruined the SEA experience IMO last week. If I wanted to chase around faster planes at 25k....Id up a P40 and try to find Chalenge in the MA :aok
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 27, 2014, 08:59:50 PM
First I must say your avatar is undeniable proof ht took the moderating way too far, or not far enough, I'm not sure which.


The fact is you are right... sandbox... player choice. But you and plenty of others, don't accept that others aren't playing your way.

I completely agree that there's some lame behavior in the game, but it's always been there. The only way to change that is to create some structure in the game.

Combat has to be compulsory. There has to be objectives that must be carried out and consequences for not carrying them out.

It doesn't have to be your way or the highway. There could be portions of complete autonomy and portions with a structured game in the same arena.

For the game to be really successful, it should be easy for players to choose or change what suits their mood in an instant.   

Telling people that if they want to play a war or survivalist game, that they should go to a special event is not going to help anything.

You are already a minority by most accounts, how does it help your cause by alienating the majority out of the MA? (not that they listen)

A percentage of your fights occur between you and "the other" type of players. Keeping players of all tastes in the same arena is a benefit.

The problem with your suggestion is the scenarios are inconvenient, take work to organize and are too restrictive. 

It doesn't have to be that way and I think you will find that out in the next couple years.



first sorry it took so long to respond....

second

I don't care how anyone flies in the MA....

I will most definitely laugh at those who avoid combat in a combat game....

there is a bit of difference in the 2.

ether way though...it bothers me greatly that you don't like my avatar.... :furious



 :rofl :rofl :rofl











Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: RedBull1 on June 27, 2014, 09:04:22 PM
Ink's just jelly my KD is better
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 27, 2014, 09:05:51 PM
Ink's just jelly my KD is better

 :D
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: muzik on June 28, 2014, 02:29:18 AM
first sorry it took so long to respond....

second

I don't care how anyone flies in the MA....

I will most definitely laugh at those who avoid combat in a combat game....

there is a bit of difference in the 2.

ether way though...it bothers me greatly that you don't like my avatar.... :furious



 :rofl :rofl :rofl


LOL  <<S>>
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Crash Orange on June 28, 2014, 11:14:01 PM
The Zekes should of just hung out all frame in our CV ack like the wildcats did...that would of made an awesome frame  :ahand

You do realize the auto ack was turned down to Wesley Crusher holodeck program lethality, don't you? And no manned 40mm or 5" was available?
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 29, 2014, 10:13:50 AM
See Rule #2
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 29, 2014, 01:03:07 PM
I like your avatar....but you are missing the skull ridges.

(http://trekannoyances.com/worfs_half-klingon_teeth/worfs_teeth.jpg)

 :lol





are you dense?

no seriously

usually when someone says to me..they don't like me or don't want nothing to do with me I leave them alone.....don't bother them or talk to them....

you on the other hand are like a case of the herps.

just wont go away.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 29, 2014, 04:11:45 PM
are you dense?

no seriously

usually when someone says to me..they don't like me or don't want nothing to do with me I leave them alone.....don't bother them or talk to them....

you on the other hand are like a case of the herps.

just wont go away.

I think you are taking what is a sarcastic shot at you, based on your OP directed to anyone who flies in a manner you personally do not approve of, for an attempt at friendly banter.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: SkyRock on June 29, 2014, 04:32:59 PM
based on your OP directed to anyone who flies in a manner you personally do not approve of,
yo...  the OP was encouraging scenario flying... if you took it any other way, it is on you... and it seems from this quote, you took it the way you wanted to take it, in order to "take a sarcastic shot at" Ink...  just sayin...
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 29, 2014, 05:35:37 PM
I think you are taking what is a sarcastic shot at you, based on your OP directed to anyone who flies in a manner you personally do not approve of, for an attempt at friendly banter.

you just don't get it..... :headscratch:

there will never be "friendly banter" between us.

I was quite clear in my response to your pm.

and take your opinion of why I started the thread and put it in the I don't give a crap what your opinion is list. ;)


Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ROC on June 29, 2014, 06:30:02 PM
Funny, when I read this I knew right off the bat it was a "fly the scenario" post encouraging people who want to survive to get into an event that actually benefits from survival.  A challenge.  Interesting how many different interpretations came out of that. 

Ink, it was great to see you in the event, I really hope you had a good time. Sure looked like you were getting into some great fights.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 29, 2014, 08:02:44 PM
yo...  the OP was encouraging scenario flying... if you took it any other way, it is on you... and it seems from this quote, you took it the way you wanted to take it, in order to "take a sarcastic shot at" Ink...  just sayin...
Skyrock :

I understand its an attempt to encourage scenario flying.  But once one factors in all the "fight honorably" messages the OPer has posted its also easy to take it as a backhanded way to do so.

FYI - while I will admit to enjoy poking at him, lets clear the air a bit since he brought up the whole PM crap. I sent Ink a very respectful message a month ago, got a patented Ink response that finally settled it for me concerning trying to be respectful to him or others of his ilk who act and react in a similar manner.  'Nuff said on the subject.

 :salute sir.



Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 30, 2014, 11:13:00 AM
Skyrock :

I understand its an attempt to encourage scenario flying.  But once one factors in all the "fight honorably" messages the OPer has posted its also easy to take it as a backhanded way to do so.

FYI - while I will admit to enjoy poking at him, lets clear the air a bit since he brought up the whole PM crap. I sent Ink a very respectful message a month ago, got a patented Ink response that finally settled it for me concerning trying to be respectful to him or others of his ilk who act and react in a similar manner.  'Nuff said on the subject.

 :salute sir.





you know how I feel.....

before I say anything that will get me banned...each time I start typing I have to delete what I say....



I have tried to be honest and just tell you to stop talking to me...

you are so f'ed in the head you just dont get it.

welcome to ignore list.









 

 
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: danny76 on June 30, 2014, 11:43:18 AM
Funny, when I read this I knew right off the bat it was a "fly the scenario" post encouraging people who want to survive to get into an event that actually benefits from survival.  A challenge.  Interesting how many different interpretations came out of that. 

Ink, it was great to see you in the event, I really hope you had a good time. Sure looked like you were getting into some great fights.

I didn't enjoy Ink being involved in the scenario one bit  :mad:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Pepprr on June 30, 2014, 12:01:46 PM
I think you are taking what is a sarcastic shot at you, for an attempt at friendly banter.

This  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on June 30, 2014, 12:10:17 PM
I didn't enjoy Ink being involved in the scenario one bit  :mad:

 :angel:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: SkyRock on June 30, 2014, 06:49:50 PM
Skyrock :
But once one factors in
this was my point... if you don't like Ink's fight honorably crap threads, then jab at him in those threads... otherwise you look foolish...  :aok
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on June 30, 2014, 07:07:20 PM
this was my point... if you don't like Ink's fight honorably crap threads, then jab at him in those threads... otherwise you look foolish...  :aok
Ah Skyrock...there are players who fight extremely timidly and never take a risk. And then there are players who basically fight a chivalrous duel on every single sortie and never pick and always start from a disadvantage...Okay, there's one player like that and it is Tongs  :D  My squaddies are somewhere between these two extremes...and so are yours. It's all good, long as we're honest about that...you kicked my bellybutton in that F4U-1 the other day but you can't say I wouldn't fight. Peace man  :salute
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on June 30, 2014, 09:21:49 PM
Ah Skyrock...there are players who fight extremely timidly and never take a risk. And then there are players who basically fight a chivalrous duel on every single sortie and never pick and always start from a disadvantage...Okay, there's one player like that and it is Tongs  :D  My squaddies are somewhere between these two extremes...and so are yours. It's all good, long as we're honest about that...you kicked my bellybutton in that F4U-1 the other day but you can't say I wouldn't fight. Peace man  :salute
I'll throw in 2 cents....Fulcrum doesn't fight like you do. If you watch from the other side of his flying you would be calling him a big ole VaJJ too.

Blame Changeup for all this drama........I tried telling him this 8-12 months ago but he didn't listen......
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on June 30, 2014, 09:41:56 PM
I'll throw in 2 cents....Fulcrum doesn't fight like you do. If you watch from the other side of his flying you would be calling him a big ole VaJJ too.
I've seen him reverse and kill higher planes in his 110 a few times. True story. Whereas I think I would be helpless in that thing. There's a difference for you.*shrug*

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on June 30, 2014, 10:30:59 PM
I'll throw in 2 cents....Fulcrum doesn't fight like you do. If you watch from the other side of his flying you would be calling him a big ole VaJJ too.

Blame Changeup for all this drama........I tried telling him this 8-12 months ago but he didn't listen......

*yawn*  you still around, Junkster? I see your mouth's still in the gutter...not that it matters...its strangely appropriate you posted.  :lol
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on June 30, 2014, 10:56:58 PM
*yawn*  you still around, Junkster? I see your mouth's still in the gutter...not that it matters...its strangely appropriate you posted.  :lol
Damn he didn't say it....but he hinted at it....maybe on the next post.

Mouth in the gutter.....Ha your smack talk makes me sleepy.
I've seen him reverse and kill higher planes in his 110 a few times. True story. Whereas I think I would be helpless in that thing. There's a difference for you.*shrug*


He seems to have just recently started flying it...I'm used to the lame Typh games(only engaging when he has friends, flying with 5-8k more alt then rest of the furball, generally flying straight lines). Killing higher planes doesn't mean anything, sometimes the higher plane is just being lazy which leads to mistakes or that higher plane has been playing 2 weeks  :aok
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on July 01, 2014, 09:37:07 AM
Killing higher planes doesn't mean anything, sometimes the higher plane is just being lazy which leads to mistakes or that higher plane has been playing 2 weeks  :aok

Ah. A guy who allegedly never fights is caught red-handed actually fighting. But they weren't "good" fights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman)
A simple rendition of the fallacy:[3]

    Person A: "No Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."
    Person B: "I am Scottish, and I put sugar on my porridge."
    Person A: "Well, no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge."




Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Skyyr on July 01, 2014, 11:14:42 AM
Damn he didn't say it....but he hinted at it....maybe on the next post.

Mouth in the gutter.....Ha your smack talk makes me sleepy.

He seems to have just recently started flying it...I'm used to the lame Typh games(only engaging when he has friends, flying with 5-8k more alt then rest of the furball, generally flying straight lines). Killing higher planes doesn't mean anything, sometimes the higher plane is just being lazy which leads to mistakes or that higher plane has been playing 2 weeks  :aok

All deaths in this game are the ultimate result of a decision made by the pilot who was shot down.

In the end, a pilot who engages a lower aircraft is engaging from an advantage. If that advantage causes or allows the attacking plane to be lazy or otherwise exhibit bad judgement and ADM, then that is a flaw that can be exploited, just as a lack of shooting skills or turnfighting can be exploited.

You seem to be implying that Fulcrum lacks the ability to perform because of what you perceive to be deficiencies in his skillset, yet you criticize and overlook his accomplishments when he takes advantages of others' deficiencies. That is what we call a double-standard. Well, technically, it's a play on the "No True Scotsman" fallacy, but it looks like Batman beat me to that one.

I've not known Fulcrum as long as many of you, but I can say that he been very up-front and honest in his evaluation of own skillset in my interactions with him. I've not seen him post once that he was better or otherwise more skilled; on the contrary, he consistently speaks highly of most players he encounters, even if he may not necessarily like them. He even told me that you were quite good, despite the two of you not exactly getting along, before any of our interactions or our duel.

I would suggest you evaluate your motives for posting the above, because once you get through the fallacies and double-standard, what's left is what appears to be a personal dislike for him, and not much else.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 01, 2014, 11:50:27 AM
Guys, I appreciate the support, but SkyRock was right.  I should not have posted here, even if I still think the OP was a backhanded slap at those who do not fly in a certain manner in the MA.  While I do like to poke at INK, I did not mean for this to go off the rails so badly.  For that I apologize.

My statement was not smack talk - It's a comment based on my assessment of your behavior.  I'm no saint and will never claim to be....but I would never say some of the things I've heard you say.  Not even to someone I dislike.....there are limits.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on July 02, 2014, 01:01:29 AM
My statement was not smack talk - It's a comment based on my assessment of your behavior.  I'm no saint and will never claim to be....but I would never say some of the things I've heard you say.  Not even to someone I dislike.....there are limits.
:rofl Pretty sure you and Dedalos both threatened me physically on multiple occasions after my one comment, which by today's standard isn't half as bad as most of the stuff on the internet(I wonder where I actually saw that comment ;)), so based on your behavior toward me I'd say your an idoit for being an internet tough guy.
All deaths in this game are the ultimate result of a decision made by the pilot who was shot down.

I would suggest you evaluate your motives for posting the above, because once you get through the fallacies and double-standard, what's left is what appears to be a personal dislike for him, and not much else.
Bold portion is very true

Back story- When he was in the muppets him and a few others didn't like me too much, because I said their flying style was anti-fight....very similar to the flying style The Damned has in the MA today.....which is flat out in the end just good wingman tactics. (When wingman tactics turn into gangbang that's where my disdain comes in....cutting off the guy who showed up late to the party...un-American :aok).
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on July 02, 2014, 06:16:39 AM
Wingman tactics, gangbangs, and such.
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wf9ol0ib38dy1cj/NikKillLa7_0655.ahf (http://www.mediafire.com/download/wf9ol0ib38dy1cj/NikKillLa7_0655.ahf)
A N1K comes in with a lot of altitude. He tries to run away from my La7(?!?) after I avoid his passes and he loses the advantage. The chase brings us within range of Skyrock and Dedalos, who both come in, turning the 1v1 consisting of me and the N1K into a 3vMe, briefly, until the I make N1K go boom. Then it reverts to a mere 2v1. I evade a bit, but, perhaps inevitably, go boom.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 02, 2014, 11:01:10 AM
:rofl Pretty sure you and Dedalos both threatened me physically on multiple occasions after my one comment, which by today's standard isn't half as bad as most of the stuff on the internet(I wonder where I actually saw that comment ;)), so based on your behavior toward me I'd say your an idoit for being an internet tough guy.Bold portion is very true

Back story- When he was in the muppets him and a few others didn't like me too much, because I said their flying style was anti-fight....very similar to the flying style The Damned has in the MA today.....which is flat out in the end just good wingman tactics. (When wingman tactics turn into gangbang that's where my disdain comes in....cutting off the guy who showed up late to the party...un-American :aok).

Being called an internet tough guy by an internet tough guy on an internet accessible forum.  How quaint!   :rofl

I'd address the rest of your "back story", but why bother?  You are a manchild, so I expect logic isn't your strong suit.

Keep on pounding that chest, Junkster!   :aok  :rofl


Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on July 02, 2014, 11:10:33 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wf9ol0ib38dy1cj/NikKillLa7_0655.ahf (http://www.mediafire.com/download/wf9ol0ib38dy1cj/NikKillLa7_0655.ahf)
A N1K comes in with a lot of altitude. He tries to run away from my La7(?!?) after I avoid his passes and he loses the advantage. The chase brings us within range of Skyrock and Dedalos, who both come in, turning the 1v1 consisting of me and the N1K into a 3vMe, briefly, until the I make N1K go boom. Then it reverts to a mere 2v1. I evade a bit, but, perhaps inevitably, go boom.

curious I am...who thou are ingame?
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on July 02, 2014, 11:16:00 AM
curious I am...who thou are ingame?
Interesting fact: Films show the callsign of everyone flying in them. :aok
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on July 02, 2014, 11:22:49 AM
Interesting fact: Films show the callsign of everyone flying in them. :aok

thats true...

 as easy as saying "hey...I am -insert callsign here-"

maybe I cant watch film right now....

I am guessing you are just another Fulcrum shade...

was just gonna put you on ignore like the rest of the tards....

but figured I would ask....I don't like assuming....

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 02, 2014, 11:25:29 AM
thats true...

 as easy as saying "hey...I am -insert callsign here-"

maybe I cant watch film right now....

I am guessing you are just another Fulcrum shade...

was just gonna put you on ignore like the rest of the tards....

but figured I would ask....I don't like assuming....



There is this guy in our squad called "BATMANN"?  You know..."IamTheKnight"? Avatar with Batman slapping Robin?  Get it?

While I'm flattered you see my shades everywhere, we are not the same person.  We've even been seen flying together in the MA.  True Story!  :uhoh
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on July 02, 2014, 12:20:50 PM
Sorry. Figured you were being facetious. Batmannn, 3 Ns. I'm not the REAL Batman though...that's Kevin Conroy! :aok

thats true...
was just gonna put you on ignore like the rest of the tards....

Now I grow curious. What tard'ish behavior do you believe I committed?

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on July 02, 2014, 12:40:25 PM
Sorry. Figured you were being facetious. Batmannn, 3 Ns. I'm not the REAL Batman though...that's Kevin Conroy! :aok

Now I grow curious. What tard'ish behavior do you believe I committed?




sorry I didn't mean to imply YOU were....

I have a very high disdain for idiots....

and there is a well known one that has a multitude of shade BBS names....

and now you pop up....a non noob and a new BBS name.....

like I said I didn't want to assume you were him....but your sig makes me think it is.


Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Masherbrum on July 02, 2014, 02:03:40 PM
 :airplane:
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 02, 2014, 03:39:38 PM


I have a very high disdain for idiots....

and there is a well known one that has a multitude of shade BBS names....

and now you pop up....a non noob and a new BBS name.....

like I said I didn't want to assume you were him....but your sig makes me think it is.


You Muppets seem to have shades on the brain....you all see them everywhere! Ooooooooo...I'm like a ghost!  Debrody even flirted with the idea I'm Midway once!  While funny, it's not the first time I've been accused by Muppets of being another person.  Those were wrong as well, but they were amusing.  :rofl

So full disclosure:

1.) I have one forum account.  One.  No others.  The prior accounts (Fulcrum / Hoplite) are inaccessible to me i.e. I locked myself out of them.  I did so because I originally had planned to no longer participate on the forum due to the "candy van" comments.  Upon reflection, and the unfortunate forum exile of the Muppet involved, I decided to return rather than let you or some of your squadies drive me from the forums.  So congrats...here to stay!  :aok

2.) As for in-game, I have two accounts.  One for me and one for my son, who I have allowed to play the game again. His in-game name is none of your business. 

3.) I admit I have used shades in the past, primarily to fly alone or be left alone, but have no need for that now. If you like I can provide the names.  Given members of your own squad have and continue to use shade accounts, I think we are even.

Enjoy the 4th!
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: PJ_Godzilla on July 02, 2014, 04:50:30 PM
And so another thread turns into a muppet versus damned bbs fight..


What you guys should do: gang fight in the DA, no holds ( or, as today's porn-steeped culture likes to say, no holes barred) barred.

Then bring the films here and call each other lots of names. I and other non-aligned ones will do the scoring to see who "wins" the bbs. Expect me to be like the Russian judge.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Masherbrum on July 02, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
And so another thread turns into a muppet versus damned bbs fight..


What you guys should do: gang fight in the DA, no holds ( or, as today's porn-steeped culture likes to say, no holes barred) barred.

Then bring the films here and call each other lots of names. I and other non-aligned ones will do the scoring to see who "wins" the bbs. Expect me to be like the Russian judge.

Truth
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on July 02, 2014, 05:41:28 PM
And so another thread turns into a muppet versus damned bbs fight..

Muppet vs. Damned fighting: Already done some of that myself. Won some lost some. Everyone flies basically the same in the MA  :salute
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: ink on July 02, 2014, 07:00:09 PM
And so another thread turns into a muppet versus damned bbs fight..


What you guys should do: gang fight in the DA, no holds ( or, as today's porn-steeped culture likes to say, no holes barred) barred.

Then bring the films here and call each other lots of names. I and other non-aligned ones will do the scoring to see who "wins" the bbs. Expect me to be like the Russian judge.

nope

put em all on ignore.

else I really speak my mind and get a life time ban.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on July 03, 2014, 02:14:53 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wf9ol0ib38dy1cj/NikKillLa7_0655.ahf (http://www.mediafire.com/download/wf9ol0ib38dy1cj/NikKillLa7_0655.ahf)
A N1K comes in with a lot of altitude. He tries to run away from my La7(?!?) after I avoid his passes and he loses the advantage. The chase brings us within range of Skyrock and Dedalos, who both come in, turning the 1v1 consisting of me and the N1K into a 3vMe, briefly, until the I make N1K go boom. Then it reverts to a mere 2v1. I evade a bit, but, perhaps inevitably, go boom.
That was a good fight the n1k and you had, I don't think Ded and SkyRock ruined it by doubling up on you.....perhaps Raz called for help...... could Ded have stayed out and SkyRock kill you himself, yes that would have happened based on how that fight was going. LA7 vs -1 rolling scissors when LA already has like no E isn't a very fun fight for the LA, you would have possibly had a chance to run away but Ded would have killed you then.

That first shot you took is a great example(if you would have connected the shot) of where a high con getting beat by the lower isn't so much ownage and a bit more luck(for most)
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on July 03, 2014, 04:26:17 PM
Words to the effect of "But it wasn't BAD ganging and picking".
Thank you, you've given me something interesting to look up, namely whether or not there is a term for the mirror-image of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Again, almost everyone in the MA flies pretty much the same.

That first shot you took is a great example(if you would have connected the shot) of where a high con getting beat by the lower isn't so much ownage and a bit more luck(for most)
"He had all the alt, 4 cannons, and a more maneuverable plane, but ye are still no true Scotsman laddie!" ;)
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 03, 2014, 04:53:28 PM
That first shot you took is a great example(if you would have connected the shot) of where a high con getting beat by the lower isn't so much ownage and a bit more luck(for most)

Quote worthy.... If only so I can bring it up the next time I hear you complain about being vulching and skillfully killing the guy.

Ah, the ever changing morality and viewpoints of the "elite". I guess I really won't be a true Scottsman after all! 4  :lol
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: JunkyII on July 05, 2014, 02:17:30 AM
Thank you, you've given me something interesting to look up, namely whether or not there is a term for the mirror-image of the "No true Scotsman" fallacy. Again, almost everyone in the MA flies pretty much the same.
"He had all the alt, 4 cannons, and a more maneuverable plane, but ye are still no true Scotsman laddie!" ;)
I was actually interested in a conversation with you, unlike your squaddie who I am ignoring....but OK.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Slash27 on July 05, 2014, 11:55:08 PM
So full disclosure:

1.) I have one forum account.  One.  No others.  The prior accounts (Fulcrum / Hoplite) are inaccessible to me i.e. I locked myself out of them.  I did so because I originally had planned to no longer participate on the forum due to the "candy van" comments.  Upon reflection, and the unfortunate forum exile of the Muppet involved, I decided to return rather than let you or some of your squadies drive me from the forums.  So congrats...here to stay!  :aok

Don't accuracy get in the way of a good story. You stopped short in your "full disclosure", you forgot to cover your more than odd PM fetish which brought about your creeper candy van label.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 06, 2014, 01:31:40 AM
Don't accuracy get in the way of a good story. You stopped short in your "full disclosure", you forgot to cover your more than odd PM fetish which brought about your creeper candy van label.

Ah yes, we wouldn't want to leave that out would we?

Please try harder, Slash.  You and your ilk bore me.

Do you even fly anymore, Slashy?  :lol
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Slash27 on July 06, 2014, 03:06:14 AM
Ah yes, we wouldn't want to leave that out would we?

Please try harder, Slash.  You and your ilk bore me.

Do you even fly anymore, Slashy?  :lol
Try harder at what?
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Iamtheknight on July 06, 2014, 01:38:17 PM
I was actually interested in a conversation with you, unlike your squaddie who I am ignoring....but OK.
Hey, I got no personal beef with you man. I'm just saying that it that 90% of AH players do the same things while flying, or at least that's what it looks like to me when I'm up there. And that's okay :salute
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Oldman731 on July 06, 2014, 05:28:47 PM
Please try harder, Slash.  You and your ilk bore me.


Yikes!  I think that must mean...I'm...an ilk...?

- oldman (headed for the dictionary)
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: kappa on July 06, 2014, 06:54:33 PM
Ah yes, we wouldn't want to leave that out would we?

Please try harder, Slash.  You and your ilk bore me.

Do you even fly anymore, Slashy?  :lol

Yea, lets not leave that out.. It was your squirmy childish insulting PMs you sent in game and forum to a female member of our group.. Don't think we didn't get to read them all and laugh.. You were asked multiple times to stop and are probably very fortunate the recipient didn't take action.. You can choose to deny all you like but any attention you receive is self induced..

Grown men that rationalize attacking a female whether it be physical or verbal deserve no quarter..




Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 06, 2014, 07:07:13 PM
Yea, lets not leave that out.. It was your squirmy childish insulting PMs you sent in game and forum to a female member of our group.. Don't think we didn't get to read them all and laugh.. You were asked multiple times to stop and are probably very fortunate the recipient didn't take action.. You can choose to deny all you like but any attention you receive is self induced..

Grown men that rationalize attacking a female whether it be physical or verbal deserve no quarter..




Whatever dude.


Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Slash27 on July 06, 2014, 07:16:08 PM
Please kappa. You didn't see the other side of the story....but I'm not shocked at all about that.

Sure we know the "other side of the story". You're honestly going to keep on with this victim charade and expect anyone to believe she's the problem? We saw it night in and night out with you. It even started when you were in the squad. You've got a behavioral issue you need to get a handle on or you can shut up and move on already. Your little high road act is beyond transparent candy van.




Oldman, you find "ilk" in the Websters yet? :D
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Pepprr on July 06, 2014, 07:32:32 PM

Now, now guys...
It was more of a great nuisance than an "attack" and it has stopped, I'd like to keep it that way. 
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 06, 2014, 07:36:27 PM
Now, now guys...
It was more of a great nuisance than an "attack" and it has stopped, I'd like to keep it that way. 

Agreed., which is why I edited my post. I apologized for my actions on numerous occasions and agreed to drop the matter. I did not, however, attack anyone.... Let's be clear on that, kappa.

Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 06, 2014, 07:39:43 PM
Sure we know the "other side of the story". You're honestly going to keep on with this victim charade and expect anyone to believe she's the problem? We saw it night in and night out with you. It even started when you were in the squad. You've got a behavioral issue you need to get a handle on or you can shut up and move on already. Your little high road act is beyond transparent candy van.




Oldman, you find "ilk" in the Websters yet? :D

As I said, I dropped the matter and apologized. Do the same.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Slash27 on July 06, 2014, 07:42:51 PM
If it remains dropped you won't be hearing from me again.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 06, 2014, 07:52:38 PM
If it remains dropped you won't be hearing from me again.

Its dropped, but not out of fear of you or anyone Slashy... It's over because it's over, both side apologized and it's done. Please go play hero somewhere else.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Slash27 on July 06, 2014, 08:24:15 PM
Its dropped, but not out of fear of you or anyone Slashy... It's over because it's over, both side apologized and it's done. Please go play hero somewhere else.
Nothing heroic about calling you out.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 06, 2014, 08:30:00 PM
Nothing heroic about calling you out.

Indeed. I completely agree you are not heroic for doing so. Nor is it heroic for someone to accuse someone of having mental problems or being a perv with a candy van... But I digress.

Enjoy feeling superior, Slashy!
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Pepprr on July 06, 2014, 08:31:53 PM
I asked him to drop it for my sake and his, not yours. So you calling him "Slashy" and telling him to go play the hero somewhere else is all on you and
was totally unnecessary.    

There was no "other side" of the shade pm's so I am glad that you decided to edit that...and I did not apologize for responding to them in the manner that I did.

Thanks, and dropped guys...

 :salute  
  
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 06, 2014, 10:53:30 PM
I asked him to drop it for my sake and his, not yours. So you calling him "Slashy" and telling him to go play the hero somewhere else is all on you and
was totally unnecessary.    

There was no "other side" of the shade pm's so I am glad that you decided to edit that...and I did not apologize for responding to them in the manner that I did.

Thanks, and dropped guys...

 :salute  
  

I expect nothing less, Pepprr.  His and Kappa's continued postings were unnecessary completely...I replied in kind.

There most certainly is another side but I'll let it lie. Do the same.
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Pepprr on July 06, 2014, 11:32:09 PM
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.

Already done. 
Title: Re: to the.....-I must survive players-
Post by: Zerstorer on July 07, 2014, 05:56:33 AM
You are ignoring this user. Show me the post.

Excellent.

Oh, before I forget:

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ilk (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ilk)

Have a great week, boys and girls!  :aok