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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: artik on June 15, 2014, 09:45:36 AM
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This comes in one of the worst nightmares of a technician... and can be very smelly :D
Why and How?
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IDK - Missing 1/4 drive (chitted out) ratchet? Missing oil filter wrench? Not sure but there is a tool missing in the top center
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Upper one is safety wire pliers. Missing tools is bad, kind of like after sewing up the patient you realize a couple clamps and some sponges are missing.
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The missing tools on the board isn't the question (it is obvious) the question why is it a smelly nightmare
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Dropped it in the toilet.
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You had those tools stuck up your cavity?
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Guys...
It should be trivial: aviation, tools missing and smelly nightmare???
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This comes in one of the worst nightmares of a technician... and can be very smelly :D
Why and How?
:airplane: B-29 test running engine, blew over "port-a-john" by door and it crashed into work bench?
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Maybe a FOD incident? When a tool came up missing, we had to shut the whole flightline down until it was accounted for and usually meant a long night. I witnessed an F-15E ingest a frickin magazine on takeoff that flamed out the engine once. Lots of fireworks between the flames from the engine and the tailhook dragging the runway
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What are those weird looking pliers in the upper right? They kind of look a little like wire twisters; if so, what on and airplane needs wires twisted together?
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What are those weird looking pliers in the upper right? They kind of look a little like wire twisters; if so, what on and airplane needs wires twisted together?
Those are for twisting safety wire on fasteners. Nearly everything on an airplane is safetied.
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Ok the answer:
- nightmare - because you are going to spend lots of sleepless days and nights searching for a missing tool
- Smelly... because all garbage cans would be emptied and searched to the last chunk of waste. The waste cans is very common place to find missing tools especially small ones like sockets.
ammo was the closest...
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BTW, once I stepped into a small hangar on a small airfield where ultralight planes were assembled and maintained (planes similar to RV in AH).
I was really unpleasantly surprised that they hadn't any kind of tool monitoring... When I asked about it they laughed on it.
Not good at all
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really ? garbage can ? thats about the stupidest answer i have ever heard :lol
I been turning wrenches for over 25 years and have never in my life thrown a tool in the garbage can other then one that was broken.
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really ? garbage can ? thats about the stupidest answer i have ever heard :lol
In fact in one of the cases I had personally witnessed a socket was found in a garbage... It can happen much easier than you may think of.
Once a tool was found in an aircraft itself in a location that you should be blind or totally distracted to live it there - but it happens for real and it is frightening when you understand how and what could happen if no tool monitoring was properly performed.
I been turning wrenches for over 25 years and have never in my life thrown a tool in the garbage can other then one that was broken.
Have you been working in aviation maintenance? The fact that you personally have never thrown a tool to a garbage can it does not mean that it never accidentally happened to you and you just were unaware of it. If you don't monitor tools you will not discover it.
Actually once I had found a pliers under my cars hood (luckily it hadn't damaged anything in the engine) and several times I had found inside the car other tools.
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Your not a very good mechanic if you can't hang on to your tools. While not a professional, all of my tools are accounted for while doing the job. How many tools can you use at once?
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^^^ this
personaly i have spent 10s of thousands of dollars on my own tools,after i finish each job i clean and put away all my tools before the vehicle goes out the door.
carelessness is the only excuse for loosing tools,and it doesent matter if you work on cars or planes or boats.
btw, i cant resist,keeping tools on a pegboard is sooooooo 70s
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@cobia38 & @The Fugitive
In aviation, the tools not only counted but they are precisely monitored, everything is recorded: when, who, for what, and where to takes the tool and when returns it. The "checkpoints" of collecting all tools are performed frequently.
So in case something goes wrong you know where to search and who to ask. These are standard procedures that are learned by everybody who works in aviation.
But, tools get lost, rarely - very rarely. And if a tool is missing it is something extraordinary. In most of cases they would be found and returned to were they belong shortly.
If you say that you are a mechanics who works for many years and you have never lost a single tool in a busy workshop - than you don't really monitor your tools well enough - it is the reality.
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i,m just saying that the garbage can is the last place one of my tools would end up :rolleyes:
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@cobia38 & @The Fugitive
In aviation, the tools not only counted but they are precisely monitored, everything is recorded: when, who, for what, and where to takes the tool and when returns it. The "checkpoints" of collecting all tools are performed frequently.
So in case something goes wrong you know where to search and who to ask. These are standard procedures that are learned by everybody who works in aviation.
But, tools get lost, rarely - very rarely. And if a tool is missing it is something extraordinary. In most of cases they would be found and returned to were they belong shortly.
If you say that you are a mechanics who works for many years and you have never lost a single tool in a busy workshop - than you don't really monitor your tools well enough - it is the reality.
LOL!!! Im sorry to say your wrong, but you are. :D
I still have wrench sets I bought 20 years ago. There a bit beat up, but I know were all of them are. Using "check points" and monitoring systems takes the responsibility AWAY for those using the tools. They don't have to pay attention because there are so many systems to watch their back. All I have is me and that very expensive tool cabinet filled with very expensive tools.
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My friend CAS who used to fly here once had an A-4 check out fine before launch but after the cat shot he had no pitch control. He was busy on the trim when the air boss inquired about his late gear retraction. They were close enough to a landing field that he didn't have to try for the CV. He suspects a lost tool but never found out what it was.
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The death of the first black female flyer Bessie Coleman.
On April 30, 1926, Coleman was in Jacksonville, Florida. She had recently purchased a Curtiss JN-4 (Jenny) in Dallas. Her mechanic and publicity agent, William Wills, flew the plane from Dallas in preparation for an airshow but had to make three forced landings along the way due to the plane's being so poorly maintained and worn out.[12] Upon learning this, Coleman's friends and family did not consider the aircraft safe and implored her not to fly it. On take-off, Wills was flying the plane with Coleman in the other seat. She had not put on her seatbelt because she was planning a parachute jump for the next day and wanted to look over the cockpit sill to examine the terrain. About ten minutes into the flight, the plane unexpectedly dived, then spun around. Coleman was thrown from the plane at 2,000 ft (610 m) and died instantly when she hit the ground. William Wills was unable to regain control of the plane and it plummeted to the ground. Wills died upon impact and the plane burst into flames. Although the wreckage of the plane was badly burned, it was later discovered that a wrench used to service the engine had slid into the gearbox and jammed it. [7][13] Coleman was just 34 years old.
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What gearbox?
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These are standard procedures that are learned by everybody who works in aviation.
Not really standard. Good idea but have never seen a formal procedure used. My tools were marked with my name....had an A&P tell me he'd never mark his tools in case one got left in an airplane and something happened. :devil
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Not really standard. Good idea but have never seen a formal procedure used...
It depends were do you work. I assume small hangars serving a light planes may "pass" on such a procedure but no serious airline or airforce would go without it.
A tool lost somewhere inside an aircraft is way more dangerous than a tool lost inside a car.
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It depends were do you work. I assume small hangars serving a light planes may "pass" on such a procedure but no serious airline or airforce would go without it.
A tool lost somewhere inside an aircraft is way more dangerous than a tool lost inside a car.
ahhhhh,so you are saying that there is no human lives at stake when something goes wrong with the mechanics of a car vs those of an aircraft :rolleyes:
sorry to burst your're bubble,but have you ever worked on any of the modern automotive safety systems ?
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ahhhhh,so you are saying that there is no human lives at stake when something goes wrong with the mechanics of a car vs those of an aircraft :rolleyes:
Of course not... if you don't maintain properly brakes or steering wheel mechanism or few other safety systems things would go terribly wrong. For example if a tool got stuck under a brake pedal - it can lead to a bad results...
But vast majority for road deaths aren't caused by mechanical failures - in fact only a tiny fraction one. And I'm not aware of any case of a deadly car accident caused by a missing tool (also probably there were)
In the aviation there were numerous cases... and not once that's it. FOD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_object_damage) is one of the major things you learn to deal with.
The fact is that the probability of a fatal accident by missing tool in aviation is much higher than in a car industry.
Even in a simulator (AH) I had almost broke a wing of 109 due to FOD.
I landed, taxied to a rearm pad for refuel. I push on brakes stop the plane, the throttle is cut back to the idle. I get a message that reloading started. I release the brakes. The plane starts moving. I press the brakes once again. Cut the engine with "E" and start checking.
I discover a small part of my pen get stuck in the throttle not letting me put it into the idle position - FOD - in AH.