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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 68valu on July 08, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
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one of the more odd bulls I've had pose in front of my cameras this season:
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/68valu/severenon-typ_zpsdfcd2552.jpg) (http://s729.photobucket.com/user/68valu/media/severenon-typ_zpsdfcd2552.jpg.html)
68valu
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wow beautiful that such places still exist :rock
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wat is dat velvet?
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Nope. Looks like a beautiful healthy elk.. leave it alone rotbaron :rofl
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Looks like he's taking a drink?
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velvet on the horns...every year they get new ones and grow with a velvet like fur on them til they're ready and strong to do some dueling with...
late winter/early spring shed horns, velvet in spring thru early summer, he's still in it kinda a bit late...I think Valu is N Rocky mtns though, I'm more familiar with the CO/AZ elk.
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Is that common with elk? Reckon it got hit by a car or some lack or a type mineral? With our deer here ive seen em grow weird for several different reasons. Don't know nothing bout no elk.
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velvet on the horns...every year they get new ones and grow with a velvet like fur on them til they're ready and strong to do some dueling with...
late winter/early spring shed horns, velvet in spring thru early summer, he's still in it kinda a bit late...I think Valu is N Rocky mtns though, I'm more familiar with the CO/AZ elk.
I think you mean antlers.. a part of a skull growth..
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Is that common with elk? Reckon it got hit by a car or some lack or a type mineral? With our deer here ive seen em grow weird for several different reasons. Don't know nothing bout no elk.
Same reason as deer....food, injury,genetics..etc etc
We had one buck every year that would come in to our apple tree....had one side growing up perfectly, the other one was a red hot mess not knowing what way to grow......we saw him 5 or 6 yrs straight.....about 3 or 4 yrs after that we had a different one come in with a similar (albeit less pronounced) issue....im thinking it was the offspring of that buck.
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yep, could be several factors, the Kaibab trophies are said to have abundance of calcium.
AZ elk, esp WM Apache are sought after because their spreads are the largest. One thing I always thought contributed to their ability to grow such spreads is the spacing of forest in AZ vs other Rocky Mtn states. Some places I hunted elk in CO (like the Medicine Bows) amazed me that they could traverse through, pines so close together...probably just genetics though.
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yea i would say probably lol
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They are such beautiful animals. Worthy of respect.
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Hunt the ghosts of the black timber in an over the counter 4pt bull season in CO this fall, everybody but the guy who gets the camp elk will gain a lot of respect. Try units 7 and 9 and hunt on foot in the Rawah wilderness for extra adventure ;)
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I'm in several different deer leases here in Arkansas. One lease is on a river in the flat ground about ten miles east of where I live. The bucks over there have those, or what we call, chocolate brown colored antlers. Another lease only 15 miles away, rolling hill ground, and the bucks all have a whiter colored antlers. A biologist told me that its all in the minerals in the soil.
What the hell does this have to do with duck hunting? Lol
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I'm in several different deer leases here in Arkansas. One lease is on a river in the flat ground about ten miles east of where I live. The bucks over there have those, or what we call, chocolate brown colored antlers. Another lease only 15 miles away, rolling hill ground, and the bucks all have a whiter colored antlers. A biologist told me that its all in the minerals in the soil.
What the hell does this have to do with duck hunting? Lol
I believe the color of the antlers after the elk or deer has rubbed the velvet off is also a result of the type of brush and terrain the rubbing is physically done on. If an elk rubs his antlers on really sap carrying trees, then the antlers get sticky and pick up more coloration from other material and hold it better. If you watch "hunting" shows that go and shoot elk on fenced in game ranches, all the elk have very light colored antlers. That is because most of the trees and brush have all been rubbed from years past and have died and do not hold sap. The elk still need to rub so they use what they can to rub on.
Hunt the ghosts of the black timber in an over the counter 4pt bull season in CO this fall, everybody but the guy who gets the camp elk will gain a lot of respect. Try units 7 and 9 and hunt on foot in the Rawah wilderness for extra adventure ;)
I started my elk hunting passion in the "West Elk Wilderness" near Crawford Colorado in about 1987. Never got one the first few years, but moved to Oregon and have done well with both rifle and bow since moving here. Now i enjoy my game cameras more than hunting these amazing animals. Trying to set cameras in spots to get good pics while avoiding people is a challenge. I don't have access to private property, so I primarily focus on wilderness areas off trails and more difficult to access areas to reduce human interference.
here is a pic from the very first camera and placement I set and it hooked me on trail cams:
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/68valu/WGI_0013.jpg) (http://s729.photobucket.com/user/68valu/media/WGI_0013.jpg.html)
68valu
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Fantastic picture, wow you set up in a perfect spot.
He really needed a cool down, I see it's 9/6/11 had the rut begun?
I don't the know Gunnison area at all, but I've seen the success ratio's for the otc hunts, tough going. I still enjoyed them though, been several years since I've done one in CO.
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Ive hunted the Gunnison area several times. When I was hunting there the herd was strong. Heres a Bull I took my last time there.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/elk.jpg)
I love the area but had a few bad experiences. One with with two co-Hunters. Im not going to call every Elk hunter with a .300 Weatherby a bone head but it seems every bone head I see is shooting one. Well two bone heads in my party with .300 Weath's crippled 3 Bulls we never recovered.
But what broke my heart was the road shooting. All of a sudden 15 + rifle rounds going off that could only mean a bunch jumping out of a truck and unloading on a Herd. I swore next Bull I take will be with a bow or during a Black Powder season. I cant be around hunters like that anymore.
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Ive hunted the Gunnison area several times. When I was hunting there the herd was strong. Heres a Bull I took my last time there.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/elk.jpg)
I love the area but had a few bad experiences. One with with two co-Hunters. Im not going to call every Elk hunter with a .300 Weatherby a bone head but it seems every bone head I see is shooting one. Well two bone heads in my party with .300 Weath's crippled 3 Bulls we never recovered.
But what broke my heart was the road shooting. All of a sudden 15 + rifle rounds going off that could only mean a bunch jumping out of a truck and unloading on a Herd. I swore next Bull I take will be with a bow or during a Black Powder season. I cant be around hunters like that anymore.
Nice bull! WTG.
I know what you"re saying about the other hunters and problems with it. I now mostly hunt solo in wilderness areas and have been lots more successful since doing so.
Fantastic picture, wow you set up in a perfect spot.
He really needed a cool down, I see it's 9/6/11 had the rut begun?
Early part of the rut on the pic
68valu
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I hear you on the road hunters :furious
Nice bull Rich :aok
The wilderness areas really do provide that ability to get away from the crowds, I really enjoy hunting them when they're an option in the unit.
I shoot a 7mm mag or .338 for elk and don't own a .300 Wthby ;)
I've never done an archery hunt, but I have gone out in the rut numerous times and observed/helped. Maybe get into it someday when I have more time to dedicate.
For me one of the biggest rewards of an elk hunt is the meat, nothing compares and it's so lean, tasty, healthy, and hormone/antibiotic free...
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Yeah I love Elk meat. The only thing that can compare is young moose thats been gorging on blueberrys.
I took him with a .338 mag Browning A-bolt.
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Hey Rich...do you like the BOSS system on your Abolt?
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Hey Rich...do you like the BOSS system on your Abolt?
Yes and how do you like your Abolt period? Anything you'd prefer over it?
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Hey Rich...do you like the BOSS system on your Abolt?
I love it. And the rifle/BOSS is a very accurate system. One thing tho is never hunt with the recoil reducer BOSS on. Man that thing is loud. The .338 win mag isnt that bad recoil-wise anyways. On a trip to Africa I forgot the "weight" BOSS and had to use the recoil reducer BOSS. Man I had the entire camp hating me after 10 days of hearing that thing go bang.
I love the A-bolt. Like all my rifles I had it bedded and triggered to 3.5 lbs. Ive only shot three bullets thru it. I got lucky and got a bunch of a special run of Swift 217 grn A-frames, and also bought 250 grn A-frames. Ive also shot Sierra match SPBTs in 250 and 300 grns. Not a whole lot of variety but enough to say without question the concept of barrel harmonics is real. I'd also say the BOSS is mostly a device for hand loaders and die hards.
Honestly I dont even know if Browning still makes the BOSS. With that BOSS .338 mag I made the longest shot of my life on an Elk I'd already hit hard but was still up. A Lasered 475 yrds. I never would have taken the shot had I not already hit him. He rolled down a mountain side. My God I wish I had it on video.
Prefer? Hard to say. I have all 3 of my favorite rifles. An A-Bolt, a Rem M-700, and a Win M-70 wooden stock. Both the M-700 and A-Bolt are stainless and all weather. I have 3 M-700s all '06 and under and my A-Bolt is .338. I'd say for .300 mag or bigger I'd go with the A-bolt and for '06 and smaller I'd get a M-700. I just like the feel of the A-Bolt in all weather heavier calibers.
If you want a thumper and weather isnt a consideration nothing beats a Win M-70. I had to have one shipped up from Texas cause it was the closest I could find a lefty in .375 H&H. Boy I got a honey out of a special run of rifles too. I have a 1.5x5 Leo-lll on it along with Ghost rings. Now all I need is the Buffalo. :D
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Boss on my Browning .338 too, love it, shoulder still sore after sighting it in, but I'm 5'7 150 so...never feel it when you're live. Being a Range Master though Bailey I'm sure you shoot more in a year than I will in lifetime, so you've got a lot more experience to make comparisons with. I thought it should be more like a push than punch, still feels like a punch :lol
Just looked at your bull's pic again, broken brow tine, he was a battler.
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You shoulda smashed the other one too on the other side.. so it'd be even lmao..
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When I rifle hunt for elk, I use a 7mm rem. mag Smith and Wesson 1500. I prefer to bowhunt, but most years I cant get the time to archery hunt and have to go last minute general season rifle.
Here is another trail cam pic from the same spot and year:
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/68valu/WGI_0012.jpg) (http://s729.photobucket.com/user/68valu/media/WGI_0012.jpg.html)
68valu
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Heres my M-70 .375 H&H. I shoot 300 grn A-frames thru it and while some might find it a bit heavy its really a sweetheart to shoot.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/eland.jpg)
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mmm.. looks like a tasty treat lol..
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mmm.. looks like a tasty treat lol..
Eland is the best tasting meat I ever ate. Even the old Bulls. This one tasted even better considering I did about 30 low crawls while stalking it for hours until I finally got him.
Better then beef, better then chicken, better then other game. I wish like heck I could buy it here.
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I share the road with elk on Trans Canada hwy 1/16; here are lots, horde, they are dangerous for us driving trucks in winter time , always on the icy roads licking deicing salt; they have different color winter /summer; more kind of white camo in winter ;
roads phots;
http://s10.photobucket.com/user/johny35/slideshow/wildlife?sort=3
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I share the road with elk on Trans Canada hwy 1/16; here are lots, horde, they are dangerous for us driving trucks in winter time , always on the icy roads licking deicing salt; they have different color winter /summer; more kind of white camo in winter ;
roads phots;
http://s10.photobucket.com/user/johny35/slideshow/wildlife?sort=3
Beautiful photos.
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Beautiful photos.
Nice pics and some beautiful country.
Heres my M-70 .375 H&H. I shoot 300 grn A-frames thru it and while some might find it a bit heavy its really a sweetheart to shoot.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/eland.jpg)
How big is that Eland, say compared to an elk?
68valu
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The Eland in that picture is in the area of 2,000 lbs, maybe over. And they can get to about 2,200 lbs I think a Bull Elk can tip about 700 lbs. A Moose about 1,400 lbs. Thats why they say "Moose hunting is fun until you get one". Ive only hunted moose in Newfoundland which is a big Island that only has one road around the exterior with the interior being all wilderness where no gas vehicles are allowed except ATVs on approved paved trails. Lotsa luck getting a Moose near an "approved paved trail".
If I had to hump quartered moose 3 or 4 times over 5 miles of Bogs again at my age I'd probably have a "grabber" and end up spending eternity as Bear crap. :lol
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Ghi: great photos. Was elevation was the mtn goat at in the third pic? The first two look above tree line.
The only place I've seen one was way up above tree line, I was hiking two 14'ers that day and he was ~13,500.
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Ghi: great photos. Was elevation was the mtn goat at in the third pic? The first two look above tree line.
The only place I've seen one was way up above tree line, I was hiking two 14'ers that day and he was ~13,500.
The photos I took here, Alberta, BC along Yellowhead hwy /Trans-Canada Highway 16 and hwy 93,Icefields parkway ; they have mtn goat statue also at the entrance in Mt.Robson Park; maybe 3000-4000ft elevation; the top of Mt.Robson in photo is 12,900ft; the wildlife is hanging along the roads here, this area is wild virgin, love it, not infested by humans dweebs.I wouldn't climb that elevation even in game, I'm lazy trucker :lol
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/johny35/wildlife/th_jasper418_zps86eef288.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/johny35/media/wildlife/jasper418_zps86eef288.jpg.html)
(http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a146/johny35/wildlife/th_icefieldparkwaymay26th2010912_zps361ff5c7.jpg) (http://s10.photobucket.com/user/johny35/media/wildlife/icefieldparkwaymay26th2010912_zps361ff5c7.jpg.html)
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short videos;
https://vimeo.com/user30109264/videos