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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saxman on August 02, 2014, 09:10:54 PM
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Just as in real life, in the movies everybody loves the fighter pilots. However not all fighter jocks are created equal. Who do YOU think are the best and worst fighter pilots out of any film you've seen?
This can include historical and modern films, SciFi, hell, even fantasy if you can argue it as being a fighter pilot.
Best: Wedge Antilles, the Star Wars Original Trilogy. Only one man in film survived attacking TWO Death Stars AND managed to take down an Imperial Walker. And in a series where some pilots get a little supernatural help, he did it completely on his own.
Worst: Trudy Chacón, Avatar. I'm ignoring the fact that Avatar was a godawful film that tossed Pocahontas and Fern Gully into a blender and strained out the best parts of both, and focusing on one particular character: Besides the fact that with all its special effects budget Michelle Rodriguez was STILL more lifeless than the CGI characters, she's probably hands down THE dumbest fighter pilot in the history of film. Despite having a faster and more maneuverable ship than the bad guys, she decides to spend the entire fight hovering her fighter RIGHT IN THE FORWARD KILLZONE OF THE GIANT GUNSHIP. Just like anyone dumb enough to HO a Mosquito or 110 in the Mains, she DESERVED to die. The aliens riding the giant space pterodactyls showed a better understanding of air combat tactics!
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captain lone star
Maverick
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Denise Richards, Starship Troopers.
(What a steaming pile of toejam that flick was.)
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Lt. Pete Mitchel (Maverick), for not applying opposite rudder when his right engine flamed out. Instead, he panicked and applied aileron. The result? His extremely talented RIO was killed in the ejection after saving Maverick by initiating the ejection sequence. After entering a pilot error induced flat spin, there was not enough forward airspeed for the canopy to clear the ejection path.
Btw, a few RIOs did die from this. A stop-gap measure of a delayed ejection sequence was initiated on the F-14 after these deaths resulted. A tether was attached to the canopy. Until the canopy cleared the ejection path, the seats would not fire.
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Worst.....Darth Vaders wingmen
Best Jimmy Stewart as Lindburgh
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Worst....Twilight. Period.
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Most superhuman pilot of all time: Dude in redtails being hit in a HO with the 262 and not getting his cockpit repainted red
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Most superhuman pilot of all time: Dude in redtails being hit in a HO with the 262 and not getting his cockpit repainted red
Best explanation I can think of for that is maybe the shell itself missed and he got hit by the shrapnel instead.
I'm not saying it's a GOOD explanation, but it's AN explanation.
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Redtails sucked all the way round so no explanation needed there anyhow.....
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Worst? Maybe that cobra pilot on the top gear episode. So many helicopters have crashed while filming movies, there's got to be a list somewhere. I know chuck norris movies have had a lot of bad pilots.
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Best: Doug Masters. Flew the snake better than Jimmy Branson could have ever wished and took down a whole country's oil export supply just to get his dad back.
Worst isn't actually in the movies. I've flown with a few folks in the running for it though.
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Ah Iron Eagle, they fired a ton of SAM:s and AAM:s and the only thing capable of hitting the F-16 was an old 40mm bofors... :cheers: to the gunner of that gun.
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This goes for the best AND the worst category: Flight of the Intruder Lt. Cmdr. Virgil 'Tiger' Cole/Lt. Jake 'Cool Hand' Grafton , flew over SAM city TWICE. 'Nobody would expect us to be crazy enough to go back'
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Best: Bruno Stachel- Blue Max
Worst: Rafe "Hammer Down" McCawley- Pearl Harbor
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One of the plots I really liked is the British "Piece of Cake"... Good and solid plot with very few "errors", great videos and no US "superman" style production.
One of the movies I think are really bad is probably Perl Harbor (2011) - too many superheros - one man doing it all from BoB to Doolittle raid. IMHO horrible movie with nice graphics.
BTW: I prefer "Hot Shots!" over "Top Gun"
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Most superhuman pilot of all time: Dude in redtails being hit in a HO with the 262 and not getting his cockpit repainted red
I think that he had his 30mms replaced with 7.92s :)
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well 'best' and 'worst' pilots in film is just a reflection of a technical advisor.(TA)
that being said the most cringing I have done is when fighter pilots fly without the mask and/or goggles on.
red tails comes to mind.
the best IMHO is BoB..they always had the goggles down and their mask on and the officers
wore white gloves and the NCOs leather gloves.
(however, when Archie bailed out and landed in that green house, he should have been cut up.
however, that was balanced out because he lost his shoes in the jump :)
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Ohhhh pilots. I thought this thread was about best and worst movie plots
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Best: Oliva Wilde in Tron Legacy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhpqMWFbGC4
Worst: Jek Porkins of course
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Porkins got it from behind. :uhoh
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Best movie pilot ever! HANDS DOWN!!
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TED STRYKER
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It wasn't Ted's fault. George Zip didn't know how to follow simple directions! .... We have documents.
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Among the best:
Ernst Kessler (The Great Waldo Pepper)
Pappy Boyington (Baa, Baa Black Sheep TV series)
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Best..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZ5x-zUx28
worst.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBvWoT_s-R8
maybe not skills wise..just a ferkin nutter...lol
come to think about it..they are both nuts!
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Best = Randy Quaid in Independence Day... Will Smith a close second.
Worst = Val Kilmer in Top Gun. EVERYONE knew that should have been Maverick's name on the plaque!
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Best..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJZ5x-zUx28
worst.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBvWoT_s-R8
maybe not skills wise..just a ferkin nutter...lol
come to think about it..they are both nuts!
lol found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRd0Qp7Fsn8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRd0Qp7Fsn8)
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Just as in real life, in the movies everybody loves the fighter pilots. However not all fighter jocks are created equal. Who do YOU think are the best and worst fighter pilots out of any film you've seen?
This can include historical and modern films, SciFi, hell, even fantasy if you can argue it as being a fighter pilot.
Best: Wedge Antilles, the Star Wars Original Trilogy. Only one man in film survived attacking TWO Death Stars AND managed to take down an Imperial Walker. And in a series where some pilots get a little supernatural help, he did it completely on his own.
Worst: Trudy Chacón, Avatar. I'm ignoring the fact that Avatar was a godawful film that tossed Pocahontas and Fern Gully into a blender and strained out the best parts of both, and focusing on one particular character: Besides the fact that with all its special effects budget Michelle Rodriguez was STILL more lifeless than the CGI characters, she's probably hands down THE dumbest fighter pilot in the history of film. Despite having a faster and more maneuverable ship than the bad guys, she decides to spend the entire fight hovering her fighter RIGHT IN THE FORWARD KILLZONE OF THE GIANT GUNSHIP. Just like anyone dumb enough to HO a Mosquito or 110 in the Mains, she DESERVED to die. The aliens riding the giant space pterodactyls showed a better understanding of air combat tactics!
well see the thing about criticizing how pilots fly in a movie is kindda dumb. for example:
trying to criticize Mellish from saving private ryan for not stabbing the german soldier on the leg or stomach when he pulled out his bayonet which caused him to die. you can say he did something dumb, on the other hand the scrip called for him to do exactly what he did. and he was supposed to die.
same thing with Trudy Chacon. the reason she was in the kill zone is because that's how the scrip was written. so it's not really that she was bad pilot, heck she probably has never flown any type of aircraft. however that's how the scrip was written.
so basically when it comes to movies, it's not fair to compare how pilots flew but more like how the scrip was written.
another example. in top gun, Hollywood had just graduated from top gun school and yet he lasted something like 2 or 3 seconds in a fight against the migs. Iceman on the other hand fought 5 of them by himself while maverick was trying to figure out "his true self". so the scrip made hollywood look really bad, Iceman really good, but maverick awesome. even though the better pilot was Iceman.
semp
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well see the thing about criticizing how pilots fly in a movie is kindda dumb. for example:
trying to criticize Mellish from saving private ryan for not stabbing the german soldier on the leg or stomach when he pulled out his bayonet which caused him to die. you can say he did something dumb, on the other hand the scrip called for him to do exactly what he did. and he was supposed to die.
same thing with Trudy Chacon. the reason she was in the kill zone is because that's how the scrip was written. so it's not really that she was bad pilot, heck she probably has never flown any type of aircraft. however that's how the scrip was written.
so basically when it comes to movies, it's not fair to compare how pilots flew but more like how the scrip was written.
another example. in top gun, Hollywood had just graduated from top gun school and yet he lasted something like 2 or 3 seconds in a fight against the migs. Iceman on the other hand fought 5 of them by himself while maverick was trying to figure out "his true self". so the scrip made hollywood look really bad, Iceman really good, but maverick awesome. even though the better pilot was Iceman.
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This isn't about production, or the research put in by the crew (or lack thereof). I don't mean this as a meta commentary on the film-making process. This is meant to be a judgment based on what we see ON SCREEN.
Plot and script-induced stupidity is a whole other conversation altogether.
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John Wayne in flying tigers and then the boys of Baa Baa Black sheep really got me into WW2 aircraft.
The worst would be John Belushi that boy was just dam crazy! :rofl
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Best:
Kara Thrace, who not only executed one of the best carrier landings ever seen (rammed a friendly fighter that was deadstick and flew them both back to the CV, landed on a crowded deck, walked away smoking a cigar) but also learned to be a good wingman (let her wingie take the shot on the cylon equivalent of the Red Baron even though they had a bet going). Close second for Lee Adama for his version of a Death Star trench run.
Hiccup Horrible Haddock for pulling off the best rope ever filmed. (weakened the wing root, dragged him vertical, reversed on him, HO, then made him auger in a dive. Extra cool points for flying the dragonized equivalent of a K4.)
Also Best: Ben Affleck and Josh Hartnett in Pear Harbor, because anyone who can beat a zeke in a P-40 coming off the deck into a turn fight has gotta be one awesome pilot....right? right?
Also Also best: Will Smith for flying an F-18 through the Grand Canyon at high speed.
Just added to my list of wingmen: Rocket Raccoon, for constructing then flying his own getaway vehicle in the middle of an improvised jailbreak, and going out of his way to save the civilians he was dissing at the beginning of the movie. Also because of raccoon.
Honorable mention: Movie Jim Lovell for flying with an elephant tied to his back in Apollo 13.
Worst: Luke Skywalker. Nice shooting but is only a good pilot because of magic. Also crashed twice in Empire Strikes Back.
Also worst: The entire Nova Corps. There's a time to hold on, and a time to disengage and reset, fellas.
Also also worst: Gold Leader in Episode IV...totally lost it under fire and really should have let Gold Five run the show.
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Best: Pipz Priller over the Normandy Beaches in 'The Longest Day'. - "Ah the Luftwaffe has had it's glorious moment!" - while cackling like a madman.!
Worst: The Black Falcon - got himself capped by a handgun.
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Wost: Nicholas Cage piloting an Apache in Fire Birds. Would also put Sean Young in there but she looked pretty damn good in a flight suit so I've cut her some slack.
ack-ack
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Worst: The Black Falcon - got himself capped by a handgun.
This reminded me of another worst:
Michael Keaton as batman. How do you miss with all those rockets and machine guns and then get one shot by a what looked like Saturday night special with lead pipe welded on the end of it.
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This reminded me of another worst:
Michael Keaton as batman. How do you miss with all those rockets and machine guns and then get one shot by a what looked like Saturday night special with lead pipe welded on the end of it.
I was thinking the exact same thing. Seriously?
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Other candidates for worst include the cast of "Stealth"
Jessica Biel gets points for managing to rip open her flight suit after punching out.
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Other candidates for worst include the cast of "Stealth"
Jessica Biel gets points for managing to rip open her flight suit after punching out.
The only thing I remember about that POS is Jessica Biel has a bikini scene. Which is about the only reason I can think of for watching it.
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This reminded me of another worst:
Michael Keaton as batman. How do you miss with all those rockets and machine guns and then get one shot by a what looked like Saturday night special with lead pipe welded on the end of it.
Yea, this. Up to that point I was thinking what a badazz batplane, then one shot from a handgun and it crashed. Stupid worthless piece of crud batplane actually. He would have been better off taking a bus or taxi to the fight, really.
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Just as in real life, in the movies everybody loves the fighter pilots. However not all fighter jocks are created equal. Who do YOU think are the best and worst fighter pilots out of any film you've seen?
This can include historical and modern films, SciFi, hell, even fantasy if you can argue it as being a fighter pilot.
Best: Wedge Antilles, the Star Wars Original Trilogy. Only one man in film survived attacking TWO Death Stars AND managed to take down an Imperial Walker. And in a series where some pilots get a little supernatural help, he did it completely on his own.
Worst: Trudy Chacón, Avatar. I'm ignoring the fact that Avatar was a godawful film that tossed Pocahontas and Fern Gully into a blender and strained out the best parts of both, and focusing on one particular character: Besides the fact that with all its special effects budget Michelle Rodriguez was STILL more lifeless than the CGI characters, she's probably hands down THE dumbest fighter pilot in the history of film. Despite having a faster and more maneuverable ship than the bad guys, she decides to spend the entire fight hovering her fighter RIGHT IN THE FORWARD KILLZONE OF THE GIANT GUNSHIP. Just like anyone dumb enough to HO a Mosquito or 110 in the Mains, she DESERVED to die. The aliens riding the giant space pterodactyls showed a better understanding of air combat tactics!
:airplane: Jimmie Stewart in SAC, and William Holden in Bridges at Tok Ri, now sure how to spell either title, but if you haven't seen these two movies, it is well worth watching both. I have both and have watched them at least 25 or 30 times apiece.
Best flight engineer goes to "Pappy" in the movie Air Force, about a early model B-17 with out the dorsal fin, dodging Japanese in the Pacific during first weeks of WW2
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Best flight engineer goes to "Pappy" in the movie Air Force, about a early model B-17 with out the dorsal fin, dodging Japanese in the Pacific during first weeks of WW2
I loved that movie. It was hokey -- but very fun to watch for a WWII aviation buff.
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well see the thing about criticizing how pilots fly in a movie is kindda dumb. for example:
trying to criticize Mellish from saving private ryan for not stabbing the german soldier on the leg or stomach when he pulled out his bayonet which caused him to die. you can say he did something dumb, on the other hand the scrip called for him to do exactly what he did. and he was supposed to die.
same thing with Trudy Chacon. the reason she was in the kill zone is because that's how the scrip was written. so it's not really that she was bad pilot, heck she probably has never flown any type of aircraft. however that's how the scrip was written.
so basically when it comes to movies, it's not fair to compare how pilots flew but more like how the scrip was written.
another example. in top gun, Hollywood had just graduated from top gun school and yet he lasted something like 2 or 3 seconds in a fight against the migs. Iceman on the other hand fought 5 of them by himself while maverick was trying to figure out "his true self". so the scrip made hollywood look really bad, Iceman really good, but maverick awesome. even though the better pilot was Iceman.
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Can't have a decent thread without semp dropping in to miss the point, and proceed to windbag us.
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Ive seen some pretty good pilots in AH movies.
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Can't have a decent thread without semp dropping in to miss the point, and proceed to windbag us.
not it was the mention that she was dumb for being in the kill zone. as if she had a choice. all of you missed this point.
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not it was the mention that she was dumb for being in the kill zone. as if she had a choice. all of you missed this point.
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This thread was not about "the script made me do it" or any other meta influence (bad technical advisers, directors who IGNORE the technical advisers, etc). It was meant to STRICTLY be about what we see ON SCREEN. It's about approaching things with suspension of disbelief intact, and looking at these as REAL pilots, not plot devices.
So yes, you not only missed the point, it was about four feet outside off the plate and you lost your bat while taking a swing, and plunked some poor fan in the stands.
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well see the thing about criticizing how pilots fly in a movie is kindda dumb. for example:
trying to criticize Mellish from saving private ryan for not stabbing the german soldier on the leg or stomach when he pulled out his bayonet which caused him to die. you can say he did something dumb, on the other hand the scrip called for him to do exactly what he did. and he was supposed to die.
same thing with Trudy Chacon. the reason she was in the kill zone is because that's how the scrip was written. so it's not really that she was bad pilot, heck she probably has never flown any type of aircraft. however that's how the scrip was written.
so basically when it comes to movies, it's not fair to compare how pilots flew but more like how the scrip was written.
another example. in top gun, Hollywood had just graduated from top gun school and yet he lasted something like 2 or 3 seconds in a fight against the migs. Iceman on the other hand fought 5 of them by himself while maverick was trying to figure out "his true self". so the scrip made hollywood look really bad, Iceman really good, but maverick awesome. even though the better pilot was Iceman.
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Why does there ALWAYS have to be someone who takes this too serious and bogart the thread?
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This thread was not about "the script made me do it" or any other meta influence (bad technical advisers, directors who IGNORE the technical advisers, etc). It was meant to STRICTLY be about what we see ON SCREEN. It's about approaching things with suspension of disbelief intact, and looking at these as REAL pilots, not plot devices.
So yes, you not only missed the point, it was about four feet outside off the plate and you lost your bat while taking a swing, and plunked some poor fan in the stands.
well then int that case you are wrong about trudy chacon. she showed more balls in baseball that 1/2 the fighters in top gun. or you expect me to believe that iceman's wingman got shot down in like the first 5 seconds of the firefight at the end of the movie? hey dont forget about cougar. he gave up his wing after seeing a mig-29 even though there was no shots fired.
heck john Belushi showed more courage in 1941 than cougar did. heck even "dead meat" was a good pilot. I mean he showed great skill by surviving an airplane crash. too bad he died at the hospital due to incompetent emt's.
now this is all in the name of fun. so dont get your panties in a bunch :salute.
but if you want to know the best pilot ever. that's anakin skywalker, he was less than 10 years old when without training destroyed a control ship of the trade federation and thus saved Naboo.
let's see any of your pilots claim that. (no dont bring his son luke as he was helped by Han solo).
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well then int that case you are wrong about trudy chacon. she showed more balls in baseball that 1/2 the fighters in top gun. or you expect me to believe that iceman's wingman got shot down in like the first 5 seconds of the firefight at the end of the movie? hey dont forget about cougar. he gave up his wing after seeing a mig-29 even though there was no shots fired.
It's about skillz, not ballz. I've seen better pilots than Trudy on the Mains. Hell, most of the Na'vi flyers showed a better grasp of ACM.
but if you want to know the best pilot ever. that's anakin skywalker, he was less than 10 years old when without training destroyed a control ship of the trade federation and thus saved Naboo.
let's see any of your pilots claim that. (no dont bring his son luke as he was helped by Han solo).
Already beat that in my first post. Wedge Antilles. NO help from the Force, and survived two Death Stars -- including being one of THREE Rebel pilots shown to survive Yavin, surviving getting shot up by Vader himself, and knocking out the two power regulators of Death Star II enabling Lando to destroy the reactor itself. The Death Star II run alone is one HELL of a piece of flying when you consider how tight it is, and the speeds at which they're flying -- and Hoth (only Rebel pilot we see taking down an AT-AT).
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Don't know best pilots....but for worst pilots I submit this movie:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0131646/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0131646/)
I have a DVD copy from years ago I treasure. I still watch it on occasion because its SO BAD its GOOD! The special effects are not special, the acting truly dreadful, the plot is...well....best to see it to truly appreciate it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9WFw56Mv1w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9WFw56Mv1w)
Note what happens to the dead girlfirend's space fighter (with her still in it) at 2:02. Marvel at Freddy Prinz Jr's acting abilities as his eyes go wide watching in horror! I cackle like an evil schoolchild every time I see it! :rofl
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My vote for best: Errol Flynn in Dawn Patrol. Destroyed an entire German Ammo Strat with like 100lbs of bombs lol
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It's about skillz, not ballz. I've seen better pilots than Trudy on the Mains. Hell, most of the Na'vi flyers showed a better grasp of ACM.
Already beat that in my first post. Wedge Antilles. NO help from the Force, and survived two Death Stars -- including being one of THREE Rebel pilots shown to survive Yavin, surviving getting shot up by Vader himself, and knocking out the two power regulators of Death Star II enabling Lando to destroy the reactor itself. The Death Star II run alone is one HELL of a piece of flying when you consider how tight it is, and the speeds at which they're flying -- and Hoth (only Rebel pilot we see taking down an AT-AT).
he was a trained pilot. anakin skywalker had never piloted anything other than a pod racer which he built himself. and anakin didnt use the force either.
and as you said before Wedge antilles almost got his buttt kicked by anakin and the only reason he was alive is that he bailed out and anakin tried to stop luke who was using the force.
in other words he got damaged a bit and he ran home to mama :). anakin himself got several rebel fighters also.
so you think antilles deserves top choice when he ran at the first damage over trudy who stayed to fight until she was dead.
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so you think antilles deserves top choice when he ran at the first damage over trudy who stayed to fight until she was dead.
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Trudy had all the skills of a Main Arena 2-weeker who thinks HOing a Mossie is a brilliant idea (which is exactly why she died). Wedge would fly rings around her.
Oh, and Luke ORDERED Wedge off.
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Oh, and as for Wedge vs. Anakin, maybe you should actually do some FACT CHECKING:
1) Most of the Battle of Naboo, Anakin wasn't even flying that fighter. It was on AUTOPILOT.
2) As soon as the autopilot was disabled, he promptly CRASHED IT into the TF battleship's flight deck.
3) Anakin's big contribution to the battle was RANDOMLY PUSHING BUTTONS after crashing. By pure chance he launched a torpedo that benefited from the LUDICROUSLY bad Trade Federation starship engineering (seriously, who puts a major reactor in the HANGAR BAY?)
For that matter, every time Anakin strapped into a fighter HE CRASHED IT. He crashed his N-1 fighter into the Trade Federation battleship. He crashed a Jedi starfighter onto Grievous's flagship (and for good measure he crashed Grievous's flagship, as well). And he ran into his own wingman at Yavin. He's had about as many safe landings as Launchpad McQuack. Actually, I take that back. Launchpad at least was able to successfully land the Thuderquack on Darkwing Duck.
Finally: Death Star II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trade Federation Battleship
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Oh, and as for Wedge vs. Anakin, maybe you should actually do some FACT CHECKING:
1) Most of the Battle of Naboo, Anakin wasn't even flying that fighter. It was on AUTOPILOT.
2) As soon as the autopilot was disabled, he promptly CRASHED IT into the TF battleship's flight deck.
3) Anakin's big contribution to the battle was RANDOMLY PUSHING BUTTONS after crashing. By pure chance he launched a torpedo that benefited from the LUDICROUSLY bad Trade Federation starship engineering (seriously, who puts a major reactor in the HANGAR BAY?)
For that matter, every time Anakin strapped into a fighter HE CRASHED IT. He crashed his N-1 fighter into the Trade Federation battleship. He crashed a Jedi starfighter onto Grievous's flagship (and for good measure he crashed Grievous's flagship, as well). And he ran into his own wingman at Yavin. He's had about as many safe landings as Launchpad McQuack. Actually, I take that back. Launchpad at least was able to successfully land the Thuderquack on Darkwing Duck.
Finally: Death Star II >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Trade Federation Battleship
same guys who built a death star and didnt think of protecting it against small fighters. or those who thought the imperial walkers actually needed legs to walk. and really what was the point of tying the legs of the imperial walkers. why he couldnt just dive in from above and hit him on the weak spot. would have been simpler. oh wait they didnt teach that years ago in flight school? and why did the imperial walkers couldnt they just hover and be called imperial hovercraft.
which brings me back to my original point. wedge was a great pilot not because he was but because they writers just decided to write him in as a great fighter.
han solo was a better pilot, he made the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. and he protected luke making him a fighter pilot also. he made the kessel run later in a little less than 12 parsecs. while the millenium falcon wasnt techically a fighter. it did have both defensive and offensive armament.
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Thread officially derailed. Wow.
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I still say that until you can construct your own flying machine out of a prison watchtower, some drones, a battery and a prosthetic leg (the leg is really important), and fly it to freedom, you're still not as cool as a raccoon.
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same guys who built a death star and didnt think of protecting it against small fighters. or those who thought the imperial walkers actually needed legs to walk. and really what was the point of tying the legs of the imperial walkers. why he couldnt just dive in from above and hit him on the weak spot. would have been simpler. oh wait they didnt teach that years ago in flight school? and why did the imperial walkers couldnt they just hover and be called imperial hovercraft.
which brings me back to my original point. wedge was a great pilot not because he was but because they writers just decided to write him in as a great fighter.
han solo was a better pilot, he made the kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. and he protected luke making him a fighter pilot also. he made the kessel run later in a little less than 12 parsecs. while the millenium falcon wasnt techically a fighter. it did have both defensive and offensive armament.
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Han only made the Kessel Run because of the Falcon. Any other ship would have been too slow (if you REALLY want to split hairs, Han never actually said HE made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs, only that the Falcon was the ship that did it).
The Empire's engineers didn't arm the Death Star against starfighters because, and Dodonna said it explicitly, they didn't view a one-man fighter to be a threat. Not unlike American military doctrine regarding their battleships prior to WWII. That's not an engineering failure, that's a tactical shortcoming resulting from flawed doctrine. And technically, the Empire was right; a one-man fighter ordinarily WOULDN'T have been a threat to the Death Star. The Rebels only knew about the exhaust port vulnerability due to having access to the plans. That's a bit different than having an unshielded reactor sitting right in the middle of your flight deck.
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Oops! I forgot one... Honorable mention as worst pilot:
Harry Conick Jr. 's character in Independence Day.
"Don't do nothin' stupid! "
" You know me!'
[tries to pull 10+ Gs in a F 18 while running from alien fighter craft.... Dies]
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Anakin didn't use the force, the force used him.
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Han only made the Kessel Run because of the Falcon. Any other ship would have been too slow (if you REALLY want to split hairs, Han never actually said HE made the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs, only that the Falcon was the ship that did it).
The Empire's engineers didn't arm the Death Star against starfighters because, and Dodonna said it explicitly, they didn't view a one-man fighter to be a threat. Not unlike American military doctrine regarding their battleships prior to WWII. That's not an engineering failure, that's a tactical shortcoming resulting from flawed doctrine. And technically, the Empire was right; a one-man fighter ordinarily WOULDN'T have been a threat to the Death Star. The Rebels only knew about the exhaust port vulnerability due to having access to the plans. That's a bit different than having an unshielded reactor sitting right in the middle of your flight deck.
he actually did the kessel run with luke later on, beating the record made by another pilot of 11.5 parsecs.
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Anakin didn't use the force, the force used him.
the dark side of the force used him. but at the end the prophecy was true. he brought balance to the force.
semp
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Takahiro Tamura who played CMDR Mitsuo Fuchida in "Tora Tora Tora".
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Oops! I forgot one... Honorable mention as worst pilot:
Harry Conick Jr. 's character in Independence Day.
"Don't do nothin' stupid! "
" You know me!'
[tries to pull 10+ Gs in a F 18 while running from alien fighter craft.... Dies]
He was also in the movie "Memphis Belle" where he lets his co-pilot shoot his machine guns for a bit. The co-pilot manages to shoot a ME-109 down which crashes into a B-17. On the return leg home, Harry dumps his machine guns and ammo overboard "Oh Hitler, you can have my weapons too!".
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Shirley Manson?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raRGnueg8Lo
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These guys. Four guys, nearly out of fuel, taking on six heavy bombers with great defensive guns and multiple fighter escorts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1NTJa3Omxg
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Best movie pilot without a doubt is Jimmy Stewart. Anyone that gives up an Oscar winning movie career to go fly B-24s in combat just isn't going to not be the best movie pilot. Throw in his actual movie pilots, whether it be "Strategic Air Command", playing Charles Lindbergh or "Flight of the Phoenix" and it's a no-brainer
From his real combat flying days.
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Flying%20Forts/Stewart_zpse832c1ed.jpg)
Worst, and I know I'll get grief for it, is John Wayne. No matter what the movie, or what fighter he's flying, the guy never ever checks his tail. Not once does he look behind to clear his six. He should have died a million times over :)
(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/Flying%20Forts/Wayne_zps89a8fda9.jpg)
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Best movie pilot: Frank Sinatra.
(http://themotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/vr31.jpg)
He is the inspiration for our SAPP landings.
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He was also in the movie "Memphis Belle" where he lets his co-pilot shoot his machine guns for a bit. The co-pilot manages to shoot a ME-109 down which crashes into a B-17. On the return leg home, Harry dumps his machine guns and ammo overboard "Oh Hitler, you can have my weapons too!".
He also slept on the way to the target. In his defense, though, the co-pilot pressured him into letting him shoot and he thought he was just being nice. Also, he was ordered to dump his ammo and guns once they were far enough over friendly territory, to lighten the load, and as he was throwing them out the window he said "You can take my guns...you can take my bullets too!", which he said in a joking kind of voice.
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Best movie pilot without a doubt is Jimmy Stewart.
Absolutely! (I still have the see Strategic Air Command. :uhoh )
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The Best pilot had to be Gil Gerard as Buck Rodgers.
He traveled 500 years into the future and despite his girth, had Erin Gray and Pamela Hensley fighting over him. :cheers:
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The Best pilot had to be Gil Gerard as Buck Rodgers.
He traveled 500 years into the future and despite his girth, had Erin Gray and Pamela Hensley fighting over him. :cheers:
Also taught future pilots how to fly old school, without relying on computers to do the job.
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Best movie pilot: Frank Sinatra.
(http://themotionpictures.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/vr31.jpg)
He is the inspiration for our SAPP landings.
ack-ack
Great picture! I just watched that the other day!