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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Stang on August 14, 2014, 06:54:54 PM
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How we'll does Aces High run on a Mac?
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As well as The Bungles play in Cleveland :neener: :neener: :neener:
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Mac? What's a Mac? :noid
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,364916.0.html
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How we'll does Aces High run on a Mac?
:headscratch:
Like nailing jello to a tree.
Mac's are for drawing shiz. You must be a golfer...that's not even a sport. It falls clearly into the "hobby" category and so does computing so we have a pattern.
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As well as The Bungles play in Cleveland :neener: :neener: :neener:
Why you somona :furious
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Like nailing jello to a tree.
Mac's are for drawing shiz. You must be a golfer...that's not even a sport. It falls clearly into the "hobby" category and so does computing so we have a pattern.
"Like nailing jello to a tree."
:rofl
You owe me a soda.
:lol
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I run ah easily on a couple of minis that live on my home LAN. Both run windows 7 via boot camp. I run trackir as well.
Don't bother trying to run ah via VMware. I experimented with it but the behavior was slow and flakey. It's best to run it native in windows. Mavericks is what I'm running on both aces high nodes. It handles windows 7 easily.
I always use Samsung monitors as well, good sized ones. i've got sammies all over the house, in sizes from 20 to a couple of 55s. Anecdotally, I was always first to spot cons with my old squad - one of my windows machine using squaddies joined once and didn't know how I could see the stuff I could see at range. I attribute it to the combination of monitor and graphics cards but am not steeped in the technical side of those computers. The macs are closed arch anyway.
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it runs great on mine. 27 inch imac with windows 7 loaded. no issues.
bungles suck by the way….
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Killn go hold your breath for 6 months again and miss this season.
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So you have to have windows 7 on it to work?
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Pittsburgh sucks, no point running a Mac it looks like.
Skuzzy you can lock this thread :)
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You don't have to run windows 7. I used to run ah on windows Xp sp2 but, since its now obsolete, I updated. I get all my crappy windows software via ford so office and the OS always cost like 9.95 for either side; windows or Mac. That's about what windows software is worth, I might add.
I assume your windows machines can run Mac OS , right? Haaaaw, haaaaw... I kill myself with this stuff.
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AH ran just fine on my iMac.
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Mac's and PC's run on the same hardware these days. Only the OS and some peripheral stuff are different. Install Windows on a separate partition or use multiboot and get a USB PC keyboard, mouse and joystick and you shouldn't have any issues.
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The current crop of Mac's do not have the best video cards in them and they are not upgradeable. All the lappy Mac's use an Intel video chip. The best desktop Mac has an NVidia 775M with 2GB of video RAM. Not bad, but not great either.
I think you have to get into a Mac Pro model before you can upgrade them, but they typically come with a workstation video card, not a game video card.
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The current crop of Mac's do not have the best video cards in them and they are not upgradeable. All the lappy Mac's use an Intel video chip. The best desktop Mac has an NVidia 775M with 2GB of video RAM. Not bad, but not great either.
I think you have to get into a Mac Pro model before you can upgrade them, but they typically come with a workstation video card, not a game video card.
I don't know about the vary latest models but my late 2013 Macbook pro has dual graphics. It uses the Intel Iris pro chip on regular desktop use and switches to Geforce 750M when running something graphics intensive.
NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M:
Chipset Model: NVIDIA GeForce GT 750M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x8
VRAM (Total): 2048 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0fe9
Revision ID: 0x00a2
ROM Revision: 3765
gMux Version: 4.0.8 [3.2.8]
Displays:
Color LCD:
Display Type: Retina LCD
Resolution: 2880 x 1800
Retina: Yes
Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Built-In: Yes
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I don't know about the vary latest models but my late 2013 Macbook pro has dual graphics. It uses the Intel Iris pro chip on regular desktop use and switches to Geforce 750M when running something graphics intensive.
That's what I use for AH too :banana:
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I assume your windows machines can run Mac OS , right? Haaaaw, haaaaw... I kill myself with this stuff.
Yeah actually people have been doing that for some time (ever since apple decided to run on PC hardware). Maybe you should get out more?
The only danger of running Windows on a Mac is that apple do not release power management drivers - so the mac will run at full tit and can get reasonably warm :)
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I'm skeptical of your claim. You're next probably going to say "using virtual box" . I'm not talking about an emulator.
I'd be less skeptical, of course, if I hadn't just researched the claim. You must be one unusual user.
Film, please... First case I've heard of this...
As for the power management: I also find this claim to be dubious, since a recent experience with a mem upgrade caused me to seek - and find-exactly that.
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I'm skeptical of your claim. You're next probably going to say "using virtual box" . I'm not talking about an emulator.
I'd be less skeptical, of course, if I hadn't just researched the claim. You must be one unusual user.
You're not very good at google are you: http://www.hackintosh.com/
And yes, I've run OS X up on a PC for giggles (about 5 or 6 years ago).
Typical mac user suffering a severe case of head-up-backsiditis :D
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You're not very good at google are you: http://www.hackintosh.com/
And yes, I've run OS X up on a PC for giggles (about 5 or 6 years ago).
Typical mac user suffering a severe case of head-up-backsiditis :D
Do-able, yes... I'll concede that. It's also not trivial -and that's quite apparent and is stated as such right on the site. "You can't just install Mac OS on any old pc and expect it to work..."
The exceptions prove the rule.
As for my google searching, try several variations on " run Mac OS on pc " . Everything that comes up is some one-off... "Bride of frankenmac", your little hackintosh site... There isn't a factory effort in site. It's one-off junk.
So, yeah, possible, but rarely done and sure as hell unwarranted and unsupported...
I'm sticking with "unusual user". None of your citation is even close to turnkey, much less widely practiced. I guess I should've qualified my initial statement, since I have and had little doubt that non-Apple branded hardware can run Mac OS. Critically, in the case of the Mac, running windows via boot camp is supported, right up to the point is crashes becauses of a windows bug. And my original question stands, can your windows machine run Mac OS? You did it for s'sand g's 5 years ago? Guess the answer is no, assuming you actually did it ( instead of just reading about it), unless you spend a little time and do some one-off work -because, as your own site clearly states ( see first point above).
As for me, we've got at least 8 nodes in this house, 3of which are windows machines, one of which I built. I actually like the idea that you can buy a kit and parts from a place like tiger and snap it together, but it's apples and oranges.
If that makes me a typical Mac user, so be it.
Waiting for that film... Load Mac OS on your current machine. I'll watch the hilarity ensue as you do the requisite Chinese fire drill to make it work. If you're actually competent, you can probably do it. Maybe I can put a stopwatch on you. Then I'll start boot camp and have windows 7 up in less than a minute. Then you might get that there's something called a critical distinction between my claim and yours :D
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Running OSX on a regular PC is illegal. Apple prohibits it in the license.
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That's a spurious argument. Guys like Vulcan do it as a matter of course - people have been doing that "for some time". See, there's really no diff between running Mac OS on a PC and running windows on a mac :D
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Running OSX on a regular PC is illegal. Apple prohibits it in the license.
Greed.
Over priced kit for those who have too much coin and no imagination.
I had a iphone it was not THAT good :old:
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Yes and no, Zack. It's true that a MAc will not catapult you and Ben to the next level of existence. However, stop and think: if you don't need antivirus software on the MAC side, doesn't that enable more diverse "surfing"? And diverse surfing is part of the family destiny (as foretold in the prophecy), if I recall...
In the end, though, none of it will interfere with your unusual lifestyle choices, which is what counts. Consider, the last Windows wrench who visited Mum was a VERY unconvincing tranny, all of which is fine, so long as nobody soils the rugs, of course, but which led to some fun chuckles shared by old Mum and myself. She too lives windows side, you see. That said, I could probably come up with a vegan, a cross dresser, two dyslexics, an animal "lover" and a functional cripple if I head to the mall and visit the Mac store. I mean, who really wins that one?
So, in the end, yes, you mibght spend a couple of hundee extra Mac side. But if you can somehow feel morally superior over it, isn't it worth the price?
I once saw a fat woman driving a Lexus 450h with the bumper sticker, "Got Air?" on it. How much do you reckon was the incremental cost of that bit of smug harumphing?
All of which is to say, I get it, as I type this form a Dell laptop. I alos get the ease of use/no security/flexibility thing, which are real, as opposed to purely emotional advantages.
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I don't get viruses and I don't reply to emails i am unsure off.
Apple people rave on about security, when in fact apple even make them wear voluntary tags for fashion, security is gibberish.
If you get a virus you have been looking at mucky stuff or your a retard, i don't need a £3000 laptop to stop me getting a virus
I used to work for a company 20 years ago that were making boards for apples in the UK, when they found out they got all moody.
we make Big Macs in the UK now
If you get a virus reformat your machine it is good for your PC anyway the amount of kak that is stored on it
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I don't get viruses and I don't reply to emails i am unsure off.
Apple people rave on about security, when in fact apple even make them wear voluntary tags for fashion, security is gibberish.
If you get a virus you have been looking at mucky stuff or your a retard, i don't need a £3000 laptop to stop me getting a virus
I used to work for a company 20 years ago that were making boards for apples in the UK, when they found out they got all moody.
we make Big Macs in the UK now
If you get a virus reformat your machine it is good for your PC anyway the amount of kak that is stored on it
So to recap your story you don't get viruses on windows unless you do something with it and even if you do get a virus its all good because you get to nuke your pc to clear all the accumulated cruft from it.
Sounds like you were rooting for Apple there.
Apple is for people who have the money to pay for comfort and ease of use. Linux is for people who don't want to pay a dime but surf any site safely.
I personally use all of them. We have 3 macs, 3 pcs 2 of which run with Windows for games and 1 runs dualboot linux/windows. One of the macs is work use only 15" retina MBP, second mbp is my personal hobby workstation (photo, video, music production etc) connected to a 27" thunderbolt display and third is my daughters iMac.
Windows is used only for windows games basically. All serious stuff is done either in linux or osx.
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Rip, you're my kind of user - but I'm no longer enough of a wirehead to use Linux. Back in the day I used to use UNIX on an SGI, to date myself.
As for your statement about paying: exactly. How much is too much for those attributes? It's an individual decision.
People get way too emotional over this Mac versus Windows stuff.
Zack, btw, is frequently self-contradictory and likes to sandwich "things" in between layers of pastry. Above all, if he offers you something to eat, politely decline. He just can't abide rudeness.
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Rip, you're my kind of user - but I'm no longer enough of a wirehead to use Linux. Back in the day I used to use UNIX on an SGI, to date myself.
As for your statement about paying: exactly. How much is too much for those attributes? It's an individual decision.
People get way too emotional over this Mac versus Windows stuff.
Zack, btw, is frequently self-contradictory and likes to sandwich "things" in between layers of pastry. Above all, if he offers you something to eat, politely decline. He just can't abide rudeness.
I'm a bit partial on this discussion since all the Mac gear comes free to me through our company. If I had to pay for macs I probably wouldn't have more than the current iPhones and iPad. My business associate had to spend a good amount of time to convince me about macs - but now the more I use them the more I like them.
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I love mine. We've got iphones, ipads, desktops, apple TV, etc. Yes, you pay a little more but I love the flexibility and security. I've even cracked the case of a couple of them.
I once even had a Centris... and I even upgraded ram on one of the original imacs (pain in the arse).
That said, they're not all that. The Samsung phones are arguably better, as are the Nokias. There are better tablets out there as well. And you can customize a desktop PC for whatever you choose to optimize. Nonetheless, everything in the house talks to each other seamlessly.
We've got some windows stuff too. It's really much better than it once was. Ford runs on Dell, mostly.
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I love mine. We've got iphones, ipads, desktops, apple TV, etc. Yes, you pay a little more but I love the flexibility and security. I've even cracked the case of a couple of them.
I once even had a Centris... and I even upgraded ram on one of the original imacs (pain in the arse).
That said, they're not all that. The Samsung phones are arguably better, as are the Nokias. There are better tablets out there as well. And you can customize a desktop PC for whatever you choose to optimize. Nonetheless, everything in the house talks to each other seamlessly.
We've got some windows stuff too. It's really much better than it once was. Ford runs on Dell, mostly.
I was amazed how easy it was to set up the first iPhone and iPad that I had. I was initially annoyed with having to make a .mac account but once it was done everything just started working like magic. I set up a Nokia smart phone 2 years later for my uncle and the process absolutely broke my nerves. So yeah, you get something in return of the price premium with Apple.
I also love the intuitive and easy interface of many OSX programs I use. Omnigraffle especially has no match on windows side.
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How we'll does Aces High run on a Mac?
:headscratch:
Running AH on a Mac is a lot like your golf game...yeah it can play but it still needs some work. :D
ack-ack
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Yes and no, Zack. It's true that a MAc will not catapult you and Ben to the next level of existence. However, stop and think: if you don't need antivirus software on the MAC side, doesn't that enable more diverse "surfing"? And diverse surfing is part of the family destiny (as foretold in the prophecy), if I recall...
If you don't need antivirus software on the mac why is it now built into OS/X?
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Apple people rave on about security, when in fact apple even make them wear voluntary tags for fashion, security is gibberish.
Apple for years always lead the top of the list for vulnerabilities in their products. Mac's and ipads and iphones are quite often the first systems hacked in hacking contests. Apples cloud infrastructure has been exploited a few times already as well. To add salt to the wound the amount of security tools for the mac is small. Security of apple products is mostly "perceived".
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If you don't need antivirus software on the mac why is it now built into OS/X?
There were a couple of well-publicized and notable "incidents" - though rare (eg, http://drtech.bangordailynews.com/2013/04/14/new-products/busting-the-myth-apple-macs-do-get-viruses/ (http://drtech.bangordailynews.com/2013/04/14/new-products/busting-the-myth-apple-macs-do-get-viruses/). That said, I still do not need to purchase antivirus software for my Macs. As you note, it's already there. This "immunity" will be there until it isn't, at which point, it will probably be too late. Think I'm taking your point if not your side? Yes, yes... nothing is hack-proof. If I were to assert so, I really would have a case of visual rectal self-examination. I run backups, because you never know when the species barrier will be breached. I keep McAfee on the windows machines and partitions, though I'm open to recommendations. There's probably something free out there that's as good or better. You're probably a wirehead and are probably willing to give me a good recommendation, about this and every other character defect I possess. :angel: I note, even DrTech, though, does call it "less likely" - again, we're talking degrees of likelihood, though probably not severity.
As for Ack's assertion, my AH game would need work regardless of what I play on.
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I used to work for a company that distributed apple products. I was in a different division (networking and security), but worked alongside some very qualified and talented apple engineers. For enterprise environments they always recommended AV software. Security incidents with mac's are not rare, they just don't get a huge amount of publicity (and are generally targeted rather than broad attacks). The problem with apples built in AV is it has been noted as slow to update (iirc it only updates with OS patches rather than being an independent update facility as found on windows AV platforms.
With both mac and windows modern malware relies heavily on the user doing stupid things (click through). So who do you think is less likely to be hurt, the paranoid windows user, or the blissfully complacent mac user?
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As I understood it there were three vulnerabilities for Macs the OS being based on Unix now incorporates countermeasures to those.
Security incidents with mac's are not rare, they just don't get a huge amount of publicity
I've had a Mac (not the same one) for nine years now and I've never once had a virus or any malware issue. Previously I had a PC with both Linux and Windows and the latter partition had a virus twice. When I was working in software development two separate companies had a virus blast through every machine in a day.
I first bought a Mac because I was fed up of fiddling round with my work machine to keep it going. I once wrote a piece of code which went crazy ape s**t with memory allocation and overwrote some of the Windows OS :lol
I think Macs aren't as expensive as people perceive if you factor in longevity and maintenance. Perhaps it helps that the same people who put the hardware together make the OS.
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Don't listen to Vulcans fud. There are about a million times more Windows exploits in the wild compared to mac exploits. Macs are almost as bullet proof (in practice) to use as linux. As long as you stay away from mac warez sites you're probably going to be fine. If you think of the situation this way: Mac has less 'in the wild' exploits than what's left after you take the best Windows antivirus and take account its detection rate. The best AV in the world will let more windows viruses slip through than what are made in total for OSX at this time.
His slant is the most apparent in his story about iphones being hacked first... he fails to mention that iPhones have the best safety record in real life of all phones and the hacks were all done to jailbroken phones or to jailbreak one. As long as you use the iPhone as intended i.e. via the app store, there are several security layers that prevent malicious code from entering end users mobile devices.
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As I understood it there were three vulnerabilities for Macs the OS being based on Unix now incorporates countermeasures to those.
I've had a Mac (not the same one) for nine years now and I've never once had a virus or any malware issue. Previously I had a PC with both Linux and Windows and the latter partition had a virus twice. When I was working in software development two separate companies had a virus blast through every machine in a day.
I first bought a Mac because I was fed up of fiddling round with my work machine to keep it going. I once wrote a piece of code which went crazy ape s**t with memory allocation and overwrote some of the Windows OS :lol
I think Macs aren't as expensive as people perceive if you factor in longevity and maintenance. Perhaps it helps that the same people who put the hardware together make the OS.
http://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49
(http://www.cvedetails.com/img/darkgreen.gif)
It's worth noting jailbreaking is exploiting a vulnerability on iOS. iOS, like Android is fairly safe if you stick to the app stores. iOS, like android, has been the subject of sideloading apps - and some debate over whether some apps are genuine or exploiting users.
Yes I've seen organizations get hammer by virus's or worms. It still happens. Usually because that organization fails to invest in the right security products (I'm looking at you CA....).
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http://www.cvedetails.com/product/156/Apple-Mac-Os-X.html?vendor_id=49
(http://www.cvedetails.com/img/darkgreen.gif)
It's worth noting jailbreaking is exploiting a vulnerability on iOS. iOS, like Android is fairly safe if you stick to the app stores. iOS, like android, has been the subject of sideloading apps - and some debate over whether some apps are genuine or exploiting users.
Yes I've seen organizations get hammer by virus's or worms. It still happens. Usually because that organization fails to invest in the right security products (I'm looking at you CA....).
And it's worth noting that jailbreaking requires a lot of user work to accomplish, it's not like windows where you just visit a website and your machine is owned instantly. Also worth noting in Vulcans list is that all the code execution vulnerabilities in the list didn't include the current OSX version, only older are affected. Also they gave no direct access to the computer for outsiders
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Differences of degree, again... I take vulcan's point, though, regarding user perceived immunity. Doing stupid things is never good.
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Differences of degree, again... I take vulcan's point, though, regarding user perceived immunity. Doing stupid things is never good.
Immunity is not a correct word to use. The probability of catching something outside of OSX warez sites then again is astronomically low especially compared to daily windows use.
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Typical of people using Apple they need to use a machine that stops them getting viruses, instead of having self control.
Itunes is appalling and greedy
The people who walk around with an air of superiority about their toys is dull.
Windows is poo and Apple is for the Elite
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Typical of people using Apple they need to use a machine that stops them getting viruses, instead of having self control.
There is no 'self control' that will stop viruses outside of completely avoiding connecting to the internet. Even the US government websites have been hacked periodically and you _can_ get infected visiting them
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Windows is poo and Apple is for the Elite
I've got Oolite on my Mac :banana:
Not as good as the BBC version though :cry
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I'm sure its all that porno I surf, Zack, that causes me to need anti-virus software on my Windows machines. If only I could keep it in my pants...
As for Windows, you are correct. It seems to be a sort of slurry of pre-eaten and predigested bits, passed through the filthy elastic of some form of sphincter, deposited in between two layers of flaky pastry for a gullible pubic (ha, ha, public, of course). Think of it as a large and fragrant pie from which many people take a BIG BITE.
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Apple computers are very susceptible to hacking, malware, and viruses. The saving grace is they are rarely targets, due to the low volume of sales.
Apple also does a great job of shutting down any reports of problems with the threat of law suits. Remember the exploding iPhone batteries? You don't? See what I mean. :)
There is nothing magical about Apple. No matter how good it looks, the hardware is rather mundane. The OS is just another piece of software.
People who raise Apple to some type of mystical status are pretty clueless and get insanely defensive about it. I have to giggle a bit when that happens.
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See and Skuzzy knows a bit about the commodore 64 as well :)
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There is nothing magical about Apple. No matter how good it looks, the hardware is rather mundane. The OS is just another piece of software.
People who raise Apple to some type of mystical status are pretty clueless and get insanely defensive about it. I have to giggle a bit when that happens.
Yeah, agreed - though I think the integration is a little better than most windows machines, and bottle-necking everything through a single product development effort is good for "quality" in the strictest sense of the word (lack of variation).
And, boy, that Mac Pro DOES look cool.
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Yes they look good.
However, they also drop a lot of functionality from the default configuration, as compared to Windows. Try connecting to a DLNA server, for example. Windows 7 will connect and play anything from DNLA server, for example.
You have to install third party solutions on an Apple to do that.
My Wife gets so frustrated with her iPad because she cannot figure out how to share things with me. Turns out she needs to install some third party applications and it will work fine.
Unfortunately, once you start piling on third party apps, you start increasing risks.
Her own take has been; "As long as you play in the Apple world, it is a nice product, but if you need to play in the Windows world as well, Apple sucks." To be far, she is a novice computer type and has no idea she is supposed to add things to her iPad to make it work within the Windows paradigm of sharing.
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Yes they look good.
However, they also drop a lot of functionality from the default configuration, as compared to Windows. Try connecting to a DLNA server, for example. Windows 7 will connect and play anything from DNLA server, for example.
You have to install third party solutions on an Apple to do that.
Works also the other way. Try playing bluetooth audio on Win7 - works out of the box with Apple. And with Windows 'play anything' is often more like 'play for 5 minutes then stop working'. In addition to that, let's take TVBle dlna server for example. How cool is that? Free software that installs on your computer and plays torrented movies and songs. Oops, did I just say free, windows and torrent in the same sentence? Top three in 'do nots' on windows lol.
I always giggle at the Mac haters since they obviously have no experience with them. And your wifes assesment is totally correct, Apple is not supposed to be mixed with windows. As long as you use Apple gear for all purposes it really just works. Apple TV and airport express provide the same sort of functionality, only safer as long as you stick to legal content. You can even do wireless remote desktop to your flat screen tv set using airplay.
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it's like i say - all the home nodes that are apple; desktops, pads, phones, tv, all speak flawlessly. netwrok externalities and bandwagon are huge in this world.
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Works also the other way. Try playing bluetooth audio on Win7 - works out of the box with Apple. And with Windows 'play anything' is often more like 'play for 5 minutes then stop working'.
I always giggle at the Mac haters since they obviously have no experience with them. And your wifes assesment is totally correct, Apple is not supposed to be mixed with windows. As long as you use Apple gear for all purposes it really just works.
Just for clarification. I am not a "Mac hater". Just because their product does not fit my needs, does not make me a hater.
I have never had a need to play anything over a Bluetooth connection. Not even sure what circumstance I would have to be in, in order to need that functionality. I am not saying it is not valid.
You meant to say, "as long as you use Apple gear for the purposes Apple intended, it works".
My Wife just bought the wrong product. It is simple as that. There are products which will do what she needs for her job. None of them happen to be Apple based. She made a lot of assumptions which bit her in the tush.
At least it is easy to make Windows and UNIX play well together, so that is what my home network is comprised of, with the one foreign piece of hardware being her iPad. I have been looking into putting some Apple specific stuff on the network so she can share a little easier.
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At first I must say I don't do Macs, I rather toss the problems to someone who's more oriented that way. I've laid my hands on a couple of them, though, and let's just say my thoughts are mixed. I agree they look good and as has been said, work effortlessly in their own world. A couple of things I've noticed, though:
Macs have been told to be intuitive. A customer has an iPad, iPhone and a desktop Mac with that brilliant large screen. He managed to get all of his photos to the desktop with ease, but sorting the pictures to virtual albums seemed to be a no-go. He finally found out a way, but that was very clumsy compared to the cut/copy-paste or drag-and-drop methods used in Windows. Dragging and dropping just didn't work as expected! Can't remember how he finally figured out a way, but it certainly wasn't simple or logical in a way he or I were used to.
Another customer had a problem with some browser malware. Apparently some family member had accidentally answered "yes" to some security related question while downloading something. For what I understood, the computer is in family use under religious parental control, so most likely the teenager wasn't downloading pr0n... But as the woman said, their understanding of computing is weak. Anyway, I soon found what the problem looked like, so I could start searching for a solution for it. And yes, I found one and it even worked as supposed. BUT: Recommendations of the cleaner were found on very few less reputable looking bulletin boards, the application was apparently coded by some schoolboy (no offense, some of them are very good) and the GUI wasn't too user friendly. Without detailed instructions on the bbs I wouldn't have been able to do the cleaning. It was like using some Windows 1.0 program without knowing DOS.
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i use a Nikon photo editor - makes life easier w/r the photos, imj and fwiw... but that ain't magic either.
And I meant to add, Skuzzy is doing an excellent job not png'ing me.
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Just for clarification. I am not a "Mac hater". Just because their product does not fit my needs, does not make me a hater.
I have never had a need to play anything over a Bluetooth connection. Not even sure what circumstance I would have to be in, in order to need that functionality. I am not saying it is not valid.
You meant to say, "as long as you use Apple gear for the purposes Apple intended, it works".
My Wife just bought the wrong product. It is simple as that. There are products which will do what she needs for her job. None of them happen to be Apple based. She made a lot of assumptions which bit her in the tush.
At least it is easy to make Windows and UNIX play well together, so that is what my home network is comprised of, with the one foreign piece of hardware being her iPad. I have been looking into putting some Apple specific stuff on the network so she can share a little easier.
I was talking in general terms about people who a biased against it. Bluetooth audio is very convenient if you happen to have an amplifier that supports it, you can just pair the amp with your laptop and it will play wirelessly. One summer I was in Greece and the hotel owner had a bluetooth enabled Sony amplifier. I asked the owners permission to play music through the hotel stereo so I paired my macbook and blasted away. The hotel owner was amazed and wanted me to do the same with his Windows 7 laptop. I told him no problem. Two hours of useless trying later I found it was impossible to get audio through bluetooth in Win7 without buying a third party bluetooth stack.
What problems have you had with unix and Apple? Apple is based on minix so it's very much like unix inside. I find it extremely pleasing to be able to ssh directly from the native shell, form private key pairs, scp, vlc/ssh tunneling etc. to our linux servers without having to use third party applications like with Windows. iPads are a little tougher but using linux you can just pair your iPhone or iPad to your linux and you get full open directories enabling you to copy/move/delete any media you happen to have on your device just like you would in Windows. Actually even easyer as you don't need to install some horrible mobile phone software.
I find iTunes much easyer than starting to manually copy files though. If I need to share some music I just connect the device to my mac using wifi or bluetooth and sync playlists of my selection to it. Apple lets you authorize up to 5 devices for one user account to share apps and music. That's enough for our whole family.
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At first I must say I don't do Macs, I rather toss the problems to someone who's more oriented that way. I've laid my hands on a couple of them, though, and let's just say my thoughts are mixed. I agree they look good and as has been said, work effortlessly in their own world. A couple of things I've noticed, though:
Macs have been told to be intuitive. A customer has an iPad, iPhone and a desktop Mac with that brilliant large screen. He managed to get all of his photos to the desktop with ease, but sorting the pictures to virtual albums seemed to be a no-go. He finally found out a way, but that was very clumsy compared to the cut/copy-paste or drag-and-drop methods used in Windows. Dragging and dropping just didn't work as expected! Can't remember how he finally figured out a way, but it certainly wasn't simple or logical in a way he or I were used to.
Another customer had a problem with some browser malware. Apparently some family member had accidentally answered "yes" to some security related question while downloading something. For what I understood, the computer is in family use under religious parental control, so most likely the teenager wasn't downloading pr0n... But as the woman said, their understanding of computing is weak. Anyway, I soon found what the problem looked like, so I could start searching for a solution for it. And yes, I found one and it even worked as supposed. BUT: Recommendations of the cleaner were found on very few less reputable looking bulletin boards, the application was apparently coded by some schoolboy (no offense, some of them are very good) and the GUI wasn't too user friendly. Without detailed instructions on the bbs I wouldn't have been able to do the cleaning. It was like using some Windows 1.0 program without knowing DOS.
In iPhoto its extremely simple to arrange albums. You have 3 options: Create a new album by right clicking the left bar and simply drag or copy/paste your photos there. Create a new album from your currently selected pictures. Use smart album that automatically fills your album according to your specifications, you can for example choose to create an album from all pictures taken on june with a certain camera type in certain location or from a certain person using the built in face detection algorithm. I can't see how it can get any easyer than that.
Your customer was probably confused with the automatic 'events' listing that iPhoto makes. You cannot rearrange events because they're events, not albums. He was thinking 'windows' like where you have folders and you have to arrange folders. iPhoto does stuff for you and if you want to start arranging things manually, you have to do it manually.
The only thing I found hard to understand with iPhoto (coming from windows) was that you needed to create an album before you could share something to an another device. For example if I wanted to put our holiday pictures to an iPad to show to friends, I needed to create an album called 'holiday' or something and then drag the event or events that were stored from that holiday to that album. After that I could just share the album with my iPhoto or iPhone wirelessly and it will continue to sync the contents of those albums with the mobile devices also in the future.
Oh I forgot to add there is a 4th way too - built in iCloud sharing. With an easy couple of mouse clicks you have a cloud storage with a cool interface that lets you publish your photos online.
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They are over priced :old:
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Not according to those who buy them. That's a great thing about the marketplace. If I offer you a prefilled pie for 10 pound, you might react with, "it smells of ca-ca, I'll only give you 5 pound for it." I can sell you the pie for that amount or not - but critically, both parties have to agree in order for the pie to be sold. In this case, i would most certainly react with some retort like, "it took me several hours to process the chimichangas and balance carefully enough to blatz them into that pan. If you're not interested in paying 10 pound, i'll evacuate my colon elsewhere."
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---extremely simple ---by right clicking the left bar and simply drag or copy/paste your photos there. --- He was thinking 'windows' like---
Well, if you could start by explaining how to right click with only one button! Why use a Windows idiom in such unsuitable context? Anyway, I've found my niche, no need to broaden my expertise into Macs.
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They are overpriced like BMW's people want to think they are getting when in fact they are buying an icon.
If they were that good everyone would have one.
Apple keep the prices high to imbue a sense of technological superiority, business us then again to imbue a aura of professionalism.
No business in it right mind would uses Apple for proper "Business" use.
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Well, if you could start by explaining how to right click with only one button! Why use a Windows idiom in such unsuitable context? Anyway, I've found my niche, no need to broaden my expertise into Macs.
Double finger tap on touch pad or control+click. OSX basics.
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They are overpriced like BMW's people want to think they are getting when in fact they are buying an icon.
If they were that good everyone would have one.
Apple keep the prices high to imbue a sense of technological superiority, business us then again to imbue a aura of professionalism.
No business in it right mind would uses Apple for proper "Business" use.
Perhaps you should just stop posting as you don't seem to have a clue...
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Perhaps you should just stop posting as you don't seem to have a clue...
He is not far from the truth. Apple hardware is mundane, at best. The software is not really all that special either.
Not saying Microsoft is a top notch company. They aren't, but most Apple users have a very illogical and baseless zeal for those products.
What Apple does better than anyone else is marketing. Their marketing is brilliant.
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I was talking in general terms about people who a biased against it. Bluetooth audio is very convenient if you happen to have an amplifier that supports it, you can just pair the amp with your laptop and it will play wirelessly. One summer I was in Greece and the hotel owner had a bluetooth enabled Sony amplifier. I asked the owners permission to play music through the hotel stereo so I paired my macbook and blasted away. The hotel owner was amazed and wanted me to do the same with his Windows 7 laptop. I told him no problem. Two hours of useless trying later I found it was impossible to get audio through bluetooth in Win7 without buying a third party bluetooth stack.
OK I take issue with this claim. I've been using BT Audio on PC's and mobile devices since long before apple supported it. I've never had issues with pairing.
For example when the iphone first came out it did NOT support bluetooth audio for quite some time. At the time I had a Palm Treo which did A2DP. That and other missing iphone functions (such as copy and paste) is why I never went near the iphone.
I think you have selective experiences and memory tbh.
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OK I take issue with this claim. I've been using BT Audio on PC's and mobile devices since long before apple supported it. I've never had issues with pairing.
For example when the iphone first came out it did NOT support bluetooth audio for quite some time. At the time I had a Palm Treo which did A2DP. That and other missing iphone functions (such as copy and paste) is why I never went near the iphone.
I think you have selective experiences and memory tbh.
Perhaps you're the one with the selective experiences:
SYMPTOMS:
A Bluetooth-capable Windows 7 PC can pair, but can’t connect, to a stereo audio device (like the Motorola S705 SoundPilot) via Bluetooth. The PC and the audio device may pair, but then Windows 7 provides the following error messages: “Device driver software was not successfully installed. Bluetooth Peripheral Device. No driver found.”
It may be worth noting that I had no problem connecting my Bluetooth audio device to my cell phone or Windows XP PC. And the Windows 7 PC was able to connect to other Bluetooth devices, such as mice or keyboards.
CAUSE:
Even though the Windows 7 PC may have a working Bluetooth driver that connects to some Bluetooth devices (like mice or keyboards), the Windows 7 PC does not have the necessary A2DP & AVRCP (audio-capable) Bluetooth software & drivers installed. This software deficiency may occur, especially if the PC has been upgraded from an earlier version of Windows or the PC maker has simply not provided the latest driver update.
So unless you have third party drivers your bluetooth audio will not work in Windows 7 because Microsoft decided to leave that 'unnecessary' functionality out of the default stack. Of course today the drivers may have changed - my story originates from a few years back. The story is true however.
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He is not far from the truth. Apple hardware is mundane, at best. The software is not really all that special either.
Not saying Microsoft is a top notch company. They aren't, but most Apple users have a very illogical and baseless zeal for those products.
What Apple does better than anyone else is marketing. Their marketing is brilliant.
If Apple hardware is so mundane, how come PC manufacturers started to copy the look and design of Apple products lately? The class of 'ultrabooks' was created in direct response to the superior Apple hardware designs that had no match on PC universe. My 'mundane' macbook has 2880x1800 high quality display, Nvidia 750 graphics card, 4 physical core i7 cpu, 16 gigs of DDR3 ram and a 500Gb SSD. It has thunderbolt connectivity. Full day battery life and all this in a light weight but strong aluminium enclosure that's half the thickness of a Windows laptop. If that's mundane to you I'd like to see your laptop lol.
The software is extremely reliable and easy to use - something that can't be said about Windows. The polished look of even third party applications is unmatched on Windows side. If you compare Omnigraffle to Microsoft Visio or Numbers graph to Excel you immediately see that Microsofts products look like they're at least 10 years back in image quality and polish.
I would like to remind everyone that I used to be a Mac hater untill I was semi-forced to use one through the policy our CEO laid. I absolutely hated the first weeks because I was stuck on Microsoft thinking. If you try to use Apple like you used Windows you're going to have problems. I've been using OSX for years now and even though I still have Windows PCs at home I always choose either OSX or linux for daily work. The more I've used osx the more I like it - just small details like I mentioned, being able to use a native shell with linux compatable commands and features is a huge plus for me.
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You have said it yourself :old:
They are copying the "Style" so clowns with less money think they are buying a better quality product :rofl
Apple will not be making computer equipment in 20 years time, they will investing their immense wealth.
Are you the same bloke who said that I was wrong that they will bringing out flexible moniotrs soon?
You cannot see the wood for the trees, i dont need to know anything about hardware or parity bits or logic gates (Nand Gates etc)
Apple look nice and they put out a news report how ethical they are like starbucks etc, but I can buy he same for 1/3 of the price for the same results.
Is there a Windows based Apple OS emulator, not much call for it :rofl
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You have said it yourself :old:
They are copying the "Style" so clowns with less money think they are buying a better quality product :rofl
Apple will not be making computer equipment in 20 years time, they will investing their immense wealth.
Are you the same bloke who said that I was wrong that they will bringing out flexible moniotrs soon?
You cannot see the wood for the trees, i dont need to know anything about hardware or parity bits or logic gates (Nand Gates etc)
Apple look nice and they put out a news report how ethical they are like starbucks etc, but I can buy he same for 1/3 of the price for the same results.
Is there a Windows based Apple OS emulator, not much call for it :rofl
Your text is hard to follow but ultrabooks are almost as expensive as Macs themselves. I don't recall saying anything about flexible monitors. I have known about their development for years. A flexible monitor doesn't help much as long as the rest of your hardware is not flexible. Flexible cpus flexible batteries flexible ram etc. Otherwise you end up with a stupid device which has a hard block and a flexible flappy monitor sticking out of it. Some roll-in application is thinkable of course.
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Is there a Windows based Apple OS emulator, not much call for it :rofl
If you would know anything about OSX you would know it's not allowed to be virtualized or run outside of Apple hardware.
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Perhaps you're the one with the selective experiences:
So unless you have third party drivers your bluetooth audio will not work in Windows 7 because Microsoft decided to leave that 'unnecessary' functionality out of the default stack. Of course today the drivers may have changed - my story originates from a few years back. The story is true however.
I was using BT A2DP on Windows XP. Sure they were 3rd party drivers, thankfully those are mature and stable on Windows - unlike 3rd party drivers for OS/X.
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Your text is hard to follow but ultrabooks are almost as expensive as Macs themselves. I don't recall saying anything about flexible monitors. I have known about their development for years. A flexible monitor doesn't help much as long as the rest of your hardware is not flexible. Flexible cpus flexible batteries flexible ram etc. Otherwise you end up with a stupid device which has a hard block and a flexible flappy monitor sticking out of it. Some roll-in application is thinkable of course.
My text is hard to follow.
well done
I work in an industry that has to deal with this Techno arrogance on a daily basis.
TSG departments are full of people who think they have the power of "Castle Grey Skull" when in fact they are always on the phone to their associates trying to solve a problem.
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Apple hardware is nothing special. Except...
It's a PITA to work on, because I have to take the time to find out what they "propietarized" to make things like a standard DVD drive or a power supply interface non-standard.
That's right, they take standard hardware and purposefully change it so you have to pay more, much, much, more!
Simple but lame tricks like - "switch pin 2 and 10" that'll fry anything they try to put in there that's not apple along with even more of the apple hardware.
But of course, there are windows pc makers that do the same thing, Apple just....well....
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Apple hardware is nothing special. Except...
It's a PITA to work on, because I have to take the time to find out what they "propietarized" to make things like a standard DVD drive or a power supply interface non-standard.
That's right, they take standard hardware and purposefully change it so you have to pay more, much, much, more!
Simple but lame tricks like - "switch pin 2 and 10" that'll fry anything they try to put in there that's not apple along with even more of the apple hardware.
But of course, there are windows pc makers that do the same thing, Apple just....well....
No need to take time, you have the apple store for all your hardware needs. You're not supposed to mix general hardware such as third party power supplies with Apple products! Besides stuff like harddrives, memory etc. are completely standard or have been in the products I've owned so far. I have upgraded many macbooks myself, just takes a tiny screwdriver and a torx driver.
The dvd drive (usb superdrive) costs 79€ and you can use most generic drives instead of it. Much the same as any external dvd burner. The internal optical drive is a completely standard laptop drive afaik although I've never had to replace one.
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I was using BT A2DP on Windows XP. Sure they were 3rd party drivers, thankfully those are mature and stable on Windows - unlike 3rd party drivers for OS/X.
I couldn't find any free third party BT A2DP driver for Win7 at the time. Sucked but what can you do. Never had similar problems with a mac. Not once.
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No need to take time, you have the apple store for all your hardware needs. You're not supposed to mix general hardware such as third party power supplies with Apple products! Besides stuff like harddrives, memory etc. are completely standard or have been in the products I've owned so far. I have upgraded many macbooks myself, just takes a tiny screwdriver and a torx driver.
The dvd drive (usb superdrive) costs 79€ and you can use most generic drives instead of it. Much the same as any external dvd burner. The internal optical drive is a completely standard laptop drive afaik although I've never had to replace one.
I'm saying apple hardware is standard hardware that has been modified to charge more money for parts and service. Like a $29 DVD drive that now has apple sticker, possibly modified firmware and interface that now will cost you minimum $200 anywhere. There is no purpose for the modifications except to make more money off of the apple customers.
If an apple computer says it has standard interface, like for memory or hard drive, yes you can swap those things. I have been working on apple computers since 1985, so I do know a little about them.
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If Apple hardware is so mundane, how come PC manufacturers started to copy the look and design of Apple products lately? The class of 'ultrabooks' was created in direct response to the superior Apple hardware designs that had no match on PC universe. My 'mundane' macbook has 2880x1800 high quality display, Nvidia 750 graphics card, 4 physical core i7 cpu, 16 gigs of DDR3 ram and a 500Gb SSD. It has thunderbolt connectivity. Full day battery life and all this in a light weight but strong aluminium enclosure that's half the thickness of a Windows laptop. If that's mundane to you I'd like to see your laptop lol.<snip>
By mundane, I am talking about the internals. I already said Apple products look nice, but the CPU, RAM, video card and so on are all pretty generic and usually one or two generations behind the curve (NVidia 750M is not a state of the art video card). There really is nothing special about what they are made of.
The 'Pro' series of Apple products are nice products, but they are also very expensive for what they offer, in terms of the products they are made from. Intel CPU, check, NVidia card, and so on. Oh, the DDR3 RAM Apple uses is very slow RAM (i.e. cheap).
I have no use for laptops. None of them impress me in the least, no matter who makes them. My Wife got stuck with an Apple laptop. She hated it and was happy for it to be removed from her desk.
Personally, I find the Apple OS to be a pain in the butt, but then again I am not a fan of Windows either.
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By mundane, I am talking about the internals. I already said Apple products look nice, but the CPU, RAM, video card and so on are all pretty generic and usually one or two generations behind the curve (NVidia 750M is not a state of the art video card). There really is nothing special about what they are made of.
The 'Pro' series of Apple products are nice products, but they are also very expensive for what they offer, in terms of the products they are made from. Intel CPU, check, NVidia card, and so on. Oh, the DDR3 RAM Apple uses is very slow RAM (i.e. cheap).
I have no use for laptops. None of them impress me in the least, no matter who makes them. My Wife got stuck with an Apple laptop. She hated it and was happy for it to be removed from her desk.
Personally, I find the Apple OS to be a pain in the butt, but then again I am not a fan of Windows either.
I find it hard to understand why you don't like OSX when you're an unix fan. They have very similar roots and on CLI OSX works much like unix. By the way, very few laptops have 'state of the art' graphics cards they become really expensive in the top end. The 750M is quite capable of running 3D games or high resolution video as far as typical macbook use goes. Macs are not obviously a power gamers choice, neither are any laptops.
You think 1600Mhz DDR3 is slow? Last time I checked it was just standard. Some older 2009 imacs used slower ram.
You should know Skuzzy, that with computers the price of an individual part does not matter. The well designed setup is more than the sum of its parts. I'm not saying Macs don't have a huge price premium - they do. But you get value for your money nevertheless.
As for your wife, all I can say is I share her pain. I hated my mac for the first weeks too untill I started learning off the windows ways of old. The more you use it the more you love it. That's just the way it goes.
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I hate the GUI. I love UNIX, but only if I can have a CLI interface. More efficient for me. All GUI's get in my way.
Other than the look of an Apple, there is nothing special about it. They have great marketing and a good industrial design team. You pay a premium for the name. Apple's bank account attests to where the money goes.
There is more to RAM performance than the clock rate and that is where the money is saved. More wait states helps reduce the costs by providing higher yields of the chips.
My Wife got stuck with her laptop for a year. When I looked at it, I was reminded of X Windows. Really did not look, or act, that much different. Yes, I hate X Windows.
For me, Apple products just miss the mark in a lot of areas. Too expensive, difficult to use, difficult to integrate in other environments, and the list goes on. If they fit your needs, then that is good for you.
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I hate the GUI. I love UNIX, but only if I can have a CLI interface. More efficient for me. All GUI's get in my way.
Other than the look of an Apple, there is nothing special about it. They have great marketing and a good industrial design team. You pay a premium for the name. Apple's bank account attests to where the money goes.
There is more to RAM performance than the clock rate and that is where the money is saved. More wait states helps reduce the costs by providing higher yields of the chips.
My Wife got stuck with her laptop for a year. When I looked at it, I was reminded of X Windows. Really did not look, or act, that much different. Yes, I hate X Windows.
For me, Apple products just miss the mark in a lot of areas. Too expensive, difficult to use, difficult to integrate in other environments, and the list goes on. If they fit your needs, then that is good for you.
Your problem: you're a damn wirehead. I'm, admittedly, just a user at home. At work i do a lot of fairly sophisticated VBA/Excel stuff, but all in the service of Product Development, IT,and Finance efforts. It's another case of being a user, though more than "just" and, in this case, of Windows. That said, I will transfer files fairly seamlessly between the two environments.
i' am totally with you on Guis. Back when i was a Dynamicist, I used to run a lot of simulation using ADAMS in an SGI unix environment. i hated the Gui and often talked to our MDI developers about it. It was easier to straight up code stuff directly - and a hell of a lot less prone to misunderstanding. gui is a kind of dilettantism for the user. Colonel Kurtz wouldn't approve.
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I hate the GUI. I love UNIX, but only if I can have a CLI interface. More efficient for me. All GUI's get in my way.
Other than the look of an Apple, there is nothing special about it. They have great marketing and a good industrial design team. You pay a premium for the name. Apple's bank account attests to where the money goes.
There is more to RAM performance than the clock rate and that is where the money is saved. More wait states helps reduce the costs by providing higher yields of the chips.
My Wife got stuck with her laptop for a year. When I looked at it, I was reminded of X Windows. Really did not look, or act, that much different. Yes, I hate X Windows.
For me, Apple products just miss the mark in a lot of areas. Too expensive, difficult to use, difficult to integrate in other environments, and the list goes on. If they fit your needs, then that is good for you.
You being an American one would think that having a successful business and fat bank accounts would sum up as a good thing. :lol
Apple uses 100% regular memory modules and users can even replace them at any time as I have done on many occasions. Your attitude against Apple seems more like a personal crusade than based on facts. For example nothing in OSX stops you from utilizing CLI just as you would if you had no desktop at all. I fail to see your logic there. Sorry but that's how it is.
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Double finger tap on touch pad or control+click. OSX basics.
Oh, by "right click" you meant "clicking the right way". Because I would use my left hand for the control button. Right. And on a desktop Mac there isn't a touch pad to "double finger tap" - not sure what it means, but if that means using two fingers simultaneously on the pad, could I use any two fingers and should they exist in the same hand?
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You being an American one would think that having a successful business and fat bank accounts would sum up as a good thing. :lol
Americans are schizo on that issue. To my mind, having a strong and highly profitable energy sector is a strategic asset. To many of them ,however, they'd just as soon tax the entire energy sector out of domestic existence. Not saying Skuz is like that, i'm just saying that taxing energy is a policy fact in the US. This serves to transfer costs +, typically, back to the user via a middleman. The profitability remains since the sector passes on costs and doesn't/won't allow itself to fail financially. Yet the public is none the wiser - many of them still think businesses "pay" taxes, and still hate the idea of a business thriving on profits made from sales in which they the public willingly transacts. They're kind of uncomprehending in that sense; some Americans.
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Oh, by "right click" you meant "clicking the right way". Because I would use my left hand for the control button. Right. And on a desktop Mac there isn't a touch pad to "double finger tap" - not sure what it means, but if that means using two fingers simultaneously on the pad, could I use any two fingers and should they exist in the same hand?
Actually if you use a regular mouse on a mac it is 'right click'. With a single button you need to press control. Double finger tap is just a simultaneous tap on the pad usually with your front and middle fingers. Makes no difference if you use both hands as long as two fingers touch the pad simultaneously.
I love how the touchpad works on macbooks. Two, three finger combos and swipes and its so smooth... I haven't seen a windows laptop yet with such a smooth working touchpad. I get furious with windows laptops nowadays because most of them lack dual finger scrolling for example. They feel so clumsy and backwards to use. You can get a touchpad even for desktop by the way. The way the apple pad works it would be not a bad purchase at all.
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I couldn't find any free third party BT A2DP driver for Win7 at the time. Sucked but what can you do. Never had similar problems with a mac. Not once.
I worked in an office full of mac users for 8 years, I saw 3rd party driver issues all the time (mopiers, scanners, 2G/3G data cards).
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I worked in an office full of mac users for 8 years, I saw 3rd party driver issues all the time (mopiers, scanners, 2G/3G data cards).
Sounds like someone at the IT department wasn't up to his tasks then if he bought hardware that was not OSX compatible.
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You being an American one would think that having a successful business and fat bank accounts would sum up as a good thing. :lol
We buy $100k kit from an American company and they are play acting half the time,software fixes that take 2 months to complete.
Then we find out that the fixes are coming from Jordan :old:
Tying to get RMA reports is a waste of time.
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You being an American one would think that having a successful business and fat bank accounts would sum up as a good thing. :lol
Apple uses 100% regular memory modules and users can even replace them at any time as I have done on many occasions. Your attitude against Apple seems more like a personal crusade than based on facts. For example nothing in OSX stops you from utilizing CLI just as you would if you had no desktop at all. I fail to see your logic there. Sorry but that's how it is.
I have no more attitude about Apple than you do about Microsoft. They are equal as far as I am concerned.
Sure, you can put any RAM you want into the Apple. After all, it is just a regular Intel based motherboard. Nothing special about it. It does not mean it will make full use of the timings available. Everything about the motherboard design is pretty much run of the mill. That is just a fact. Take a look at it yourself.
Unlike you, I have no agenda. I do not care what anyone uses for their personal computer as long as it can play the game. Personally, there are far too many things I do not care about with Apple and their products to make them a viable choice for me. If they work well for you, then good for you.
As far as OSX allowing a CLI to be used, I was not aware of that, but it still does not help with the other limitations I have run into.
DLNA support is a must in my home environment and I am not keen on trying to find third party apps for Apple to accomplish that. There are other things which do not work out of the box, without me having to rebuild other servers to make them work with Apple. The cost of the product mitigates any possibility of using them due to the effort required to make them work in my personal environment. Those are just facts.
I grow tired of this exchange. You like Apple. I get that. I am glad you are happy with them.
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I have no more attitude about Apple than you do about Microsoft. They are equal as far as I am concerned.
Sure, you can put any RAM you want into the Apple. After all, it is just a regular Intel based motherboard. Nothing special about it. It does not mean it will make full use of the timings available. Everything about the motherboard design is pretty much run of the mill. That is just a fact. Take a look at it yourself.
Unlike you, I have no agenda. I do not care what anyone uses for their personal computer as long as it can play the game. Personally, there are far too many things I do not care about with Apple and their products to make them a viable choice for me. If they work well for you, then good for you.
As far as OSX allowing a CLI to be used, I was not aware of that, but it still does not help with the other limitations I have run into.
DLNA support is a must in my home environment and I am not keen on trying to find third party apps for Apple to accomplish that. There are other things which do not work out of the box, without me having to rebuild other servers to make them work with Apple. The cost of the product mitigates any possibility of using them due to the effort required to make them work in my personal environment. Those are just facts.
I grow tired of this exchange. You like Apple. I get that. I am glad you are happy with them.
I have no agenda either, I'm just correcting some peoples clear misconceptions. DLNA is supported on OSX through third party open source products http://xbmc.org/about/ it was 1 google search away.
Did you know that not only OSX supports CLI but you can enable Macports and homebrew to get all the familiar apps, python, ruby etc. environments to OSX? When homebrew is enabled you can start installing open source software the same way you would use apt-get, yum, pacman or other package manager on CLI.
But I get that you don't like Apple and are not willing to explore it. I can't blame you really, I wouldn't have got interested either if I had to pay the price! They are overpriced that I agree.
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Apple uses 100% regular memory modules and users can even replace them at any time as I have done on many occasions.
Yeah how about dem proprietery hard drives :D
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Yeah how about dem proprietery hard drives :D
LOL are you on crack? I've upgraded the harddrives in my two previous macbooks with regular 2,5" drives. The current one shipped with an SSD from the factory so it doesn't need upgrading. You folks really should lose your prejudice. You're all bashing macs for non-existing reasons.
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/58220-upgrade-your-macbook-pros-hard-drive-2
Even the macbook air that doesn't use a *regular* harddrive, uses a regular msata card drive :rofl
(http://cdn-a.verkkokauppa.com/960/images/25/2_162788-400x266.jpeg)
The only exception is the post-2011 iMac which uses a proprietary 7-pin connector - but iMacs are not designed for user upgrades in the first place. It's a slim closed package purpose designed for its job and it's very difficult to even open the case. If a mac user wants an upgradeable desktop he will choose the Mac pro that is as easy to upgrade as any desktop pc if the mundane specs do not satisfy you:
3.5GHz
6-Core Intel Xeon E5 with 12MB L3 cache and Turbo Boost up to 3.9GHz
Configurable to 3.0GHz 8-core processor with 25MB L3 cache or 2.7GHz 12-core processor with 30MB L3 cache
16Gb DDR3
Dual AMD FirePro D500 graphics processors with 3GB of GDDR5 VRAM each
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I dont like the logo as well it looks like an apple :old:
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It used to have many colors... But then a new symbol came along that also had "many cullahs" and apple redesigned theirs to not resemble this latter.
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LOL are you on crack?
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The only exception is the post-2011 iMac which uses a proprietary 7-pin connector - but iMacs are not designed for user upgrades in the first place. It's a slim closed package purpose designed for its job and it's very difficult to even open the case. If a mac user wants an upgradeable desktop he will choose the Mac pro that is as easy to upgrade as any desktop pc if the mundane specs do not satisfy you:
herp derp.
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herp derp.
So what's next? You claim you can't change the ram on Apple products and then take the iPhone as an example. No, it's not meant to be upgraded. Have you seen a post-2011 iMac? It resembles more like a tablet than a pc.
I'd like to see you upgrade one of these even without the connector problem:
(http://www.technobuffalo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/imac-21-2012-vs-imac-21-2011.jpg)
The Mac pro then again is designed to be upgraded:
(http://www.extremetech.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/mac-pro-under-the-hood.jpg)
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Apples look nice