Mac's

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Well, if you could start by explaining how to right click with only one button! Why use a Windows idiom in such unsuitable context? Anyway, I've found my niche, no need to broaden my expertise into Macs.

Double finger tap on touch pad or control+click. OSX basics.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

They are overpriced like BMW's people want to think they are getting when in fact they are buying an icon.

If they were that good everyone would have one.

Apple keep the prices high to imbue a sense of technological superiority, business us then again to  imbue a aura of professionalism.

No business in it right mind would uses Apple for proper "Business" use.

Perhaps you should just stop posting as you don't seem to have a clue...

[Skuzzy]

Perhaps you should just stop posting as you don't seem to have a clue...

He is not far from the truth.  Apple hardware is mundane, at best.  The software is not really all that special either.

Not saying Microsoft is a top notch company.  They aren't, but most Apple users have a very illogical and baseless zeal for those products.

What Apple does better than anyone else is marketing.  Their marketing is brilliant.

[Vulcan]

I was talking in general terms about people who a biased against it. Bluetooth audio is very convenient if you happen to have an amplifier that supports it, you can just pair the amp with your laptop and it will play wirelessly. One summer I was in Greece and the hotel owner had a bluetooth enabled Sony amplifier. I asked the owners permission to play music through the hotel stereo so I paired my macbook and blasted away. The hotel owner was amazed and wanted me to do the same with his Windows 7 laptop. I told him no problem. Two hours of useless trying later I found it was impossible to get audio through bluetooth in Win7 without buying a third party bluetooth stack.

OK I take issue with this claim. I've been using BT Audio on PC's and mobile devices since long before apple supported it. I've never had issues with pairing.

For example when the iphone first came out it did NOT support bluetooth audio for quite some time. At the time I had a Palm Treo which did A2DP. That and other missing iphone functions (such as copy and paste) is why I never went near the iphone.

I think you have selective experiences and memory tbh.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

OK I take issue with this claim. I've been using BT Audio on PC's and mobile devices since long before apple supported it. I've never had issues with pairing.

For example when the iphone first came out it did NOT support bluetooth audio for quite some time. At the time I had a Palm Treo which did A2DP. That and other missing iphone functions (such as copy and paste) is why I never went near the iphone.

I think you have selective experiences and memory tbh.

Perhaps you're the one with the selective experiences:

SYMPTOMS:
A Bluetooth-capable Windows 7 PC can pair, but can’t connect, to a stereo audio device (like the Motorola S705 SoundPilot) via Bluetooth. The PC and the audio device may pair, but then Windows 7 provides the following error messages: “Device driver software was not successfully installed. Bluetooth Peripheral Device. No driver found.”

It may be worth noting that I had no problem connecting my Bluetooth audio device to my cell phone or Windows XP PC. And the Windows 7 PC was able to connect to other Bluetooth devices, such as mice or keyboards.

CAUSE:
Even though the Windows 7 PC may have a working Bluetooth driver that connects to some Bluetooth devices (like mice or keyboards), the Windows 7 PC does not have the necessary A2DP & AVRCP (audio-capable) Bluetooth software & drivers installed. This software deficiency may occur, especially if the PC has been upgraded from an earlier version of Windows or the PC maker has simply not provided the latest driver update.

So unless you have third party drivers your bluetooth audio will not work in Windows 7 because Microsoft decided to leave that 'unnecessary' functionality out of the default stack. Of course today the drivers may have changed - my story originates from a few years back. The story is true however.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

He is not far from the truth.  Apple hardware is mundane, at best.  The software is not really all that special either.

Not saying Microsoft is a top notch company.  They aren't, but most Apple users have a very illogical and baseless zeal for those products.

What Apple does better than anyone else is marketing.  Their marketing is brilliant.

If Apple hardware is so mundane, how come PC manufacturers started to copy the look and design of Apple products lately? The class of 'ultrabooks' was created in direct response to the superior Apple hardware designs that had no match on PC universe. My 'mundane' macbook has 2880x1800 high quality display, Nvidia 750 graphics card, 4 physical core i7 cpu, 16 gigs of DDR3 ram and a 500Gb SSD. It has thunderbolt connectivity. Full day battery life and all this in a light weight but strong aluminium enclosure that's half the thickness of a Windows laptop. If that's mundane to you I'd like to see your laptop lol.

The software is extremely reliable and easy to use - something that can't be said about Windows. The polished look of even third party applications is unmatched on Windows side. If you compare Omnigraffle to Microsoft Visio or Numbers graph to Excel you immediately see that Microsofts products look like they're at least 10 years back in image quality and polish.

I would like to remind everyone that I used to be a Mac hater untill I was semi-forced to use one through the policy our CEO laid. I absolutely hated the first weeks because I was stuck on Microsoft thinking. If you try to use Apple like you used Windows you're going to have problems. I've been using OSX for years now and even though I still have Windows PCs at home I always choose either OSX or linux for daily work. The more I've used osx the more I like it - just small details like I mentioned, being able to use a native shell with linux compatable commands and features is a huge plus for me.

[zack1234]

You have said it yourself

They are copying the "Style" so clowns with less money think they are buying a better quality product

Apple will not be making computer equipment in 20 years time, they will investing their immense wealth.

Are you the same bloke who said that I was wrong that they will bringing out flexible moniotrs soon?

You cannot see the wood for the trees, i dont need to know anything about hardware or parity bits or logic gates (Nand Gates etc)

Apple look nice and they put out a news report how ethical they are like starbucks etc, but I can buy he same for 1/3 of the price for the same results.

Is there a Windows based Apple OS emulator, not much call for it

[MrRiplEy[H]]

You have said it yourself

They are copying the "Style" so clowns with less money think they are buying a better quality product

Apple will not be making computer equipment in 20 years time, they will investing their immense wealth.

Are you the same bloke who said that I was wrong that they will bringing out flexible moniotrs soon?

You cannot see the wood for the trees, i dont need to know anything about hardware or parity bits or logic gates (Nand Gates etc)

Apple look nice and they put out a news report how ethical they are like starbucks etc, but I can buy he same for 1/3 of the price for the same results.

Is there a Windows based Apple OS emulator, not much call for it

Your text is hard to follow but ultrabooks are almost as expensive as Macs themselves. I don't recall saying anything about flexible monitors. I have known about their development for years. A flexible monitor doesn't help much as long as the rest of your hardware is not flexible. Flexible cpus flexible batteries flexible ram etc. Otherwise you end up with a stupid device which has a hard block and a flexible flappy monitor sticking out of it. Some roll-in application is thinkable of course.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Is there a Windows based Apple OS emulator, not much call for it

If you would know anything about OSX you would know it's not allowed to be virtualized or run outside of Apple hardware.

[Vulcan]

Perhaps you're the one with the selective experiences:

So unless you have third party drivers your bluetooth audio will not work in Windows 7 because Microsoft decided to leave that 'unnecessary' functionality out of the default stack. Of course today the drivers may have changed - my story originates from a few years back. The story is true however.

I was using BT A2DP on Windows XP. Sure they were 3rd party drivers, thankfully those are mature and stable on Windows - unlike 3rd party drivers for OS/X.

[zack1234]

Your text is hard to follow but ultrabooks are almost as expensive as Macs themselves. I don't recall saying anything about flexible monitors. I have known about their development for years. A flexible monitor doesn't help much as long as the rest of your hardware is not flexible. Flexible cpus flexible batteries flexible ram etc. Otherwise you end up with a stupid device which has a hard block and a flexible flappy monitor sticking out of it. Some roll-in application is thinkable of course.

My text is hard to follow.

well done

I work in an industry that has to deal with this Techno arrogance on a daily basis.

TSG departments are full of people who think they have the power of "Castle Grey Skull" when in fact they are always on the phone to their associates trying to solve a problem.

 

[Drane]

Apple hardware is nothing special. Except...
 
It's a PITA to work on, because I have to take the time to find out what they "propietarized" to make things like a standard DVD drive or a power supply interface non-standard.

That's right, they take standard hardware and purposefully change it so you have to pay more, much, much, more!

Simple but lame tricks like - "switch pin 2 and 10" that'll fry anything they try to put in there that's not apple along with even more of the apple hardware.

But of course, there are windows pc makers that do the same thing, Apple just....well....

[MrRiplEy[H]]

Apple hardware is nothing special. Except...
 
It's a PITA to work on, because I have to take the time to find out what they "propietarized" to make things like a standard DVD drive or a power supply interface non-standard.

That's right, they take standard hardware and purposefully change it so you have to pay more, much, much, more!

Simple but lame tricks like - "switch pin 2 and 10" that'll fry anything they try to put in there that's not apple along with even more of the apple hardware.

But of course, there are windows pc makers that do the same thing, Apple just....well....

No need to take time, you have the apple store for all your hardware needs. You're not supposed to mix general hardware such as third party power supplies with Apple products! Besides stuff like harddrives, memory etc. are completely standard or have been in the products I've owned so far. I have upgraded many macbooks myself, just takes a tiny screwdriver and a torx driver.

The dvd drive (usb superdrive) costs 79€ and you can use most generic drives instead of it. Much the same as any external dvd burner. The internal optical drive is a completely standard laptop drive afaik although I've never had to replace one.

[MrRiplEy[H]]

I was using BT A2DP on Windows XP. Sure they were 3rd party drivers, thankfully those are mature and stable on Windows - unlike 3rd party drivers for OS/X.

I couldn't find any free third party BT A2DP driver for Win7 at the time. Sucked but what can you do. Never had similar problems with a mac. Not once.

[Drane]

No need to take time, you have the apple store for all your hardware needs. You're not supposed to mix general hardware such as third party power supplies with Apple products! Besides stuff like harddrives, memory etc. are completely standard or have been in the products I've owned so far. I have upgraded many macbooks myself, just takes a tiny screwdriver and a torx driver.

The dvd drive (usb superdrive) costs 79€ and you can use most generic drives instead of it. Much the same as any external dvd burner. The internal optical drive is a completely standard laptop drive afaik although I've never had to replace one.

I'm saying apple hardware is standard hardware that has been modified to charge more money for parts and service. Like a $29 DVD drive that now has apple sticker, possibly modified firmware and interface that now will cost you minimum $200 anywhere. There is no purpose for the modifications except to make more money off of the apple customers.

If an apple computer says it has standard interface, like for memory or hard drive, yes you can swap those things. I have been working on apple computers since 1985, so I do know a little about them.