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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: dmdchief on September 04, 2014, 02:18:40 PM
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Does anyone have any films using TrackIR, I am curious to see how it works in the game and see if it is worth me saving money for?
thanks
ab8aac/dmdchief
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It's like looking around with the mouse, except you control the mouse with your head movement.
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I believe Skyyr has some videos using trackir, i was considering one myself. Don't have any Skyyr's links handy but it looked pretty cool
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Here's a random video that's a pretty good representation of its advantages (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62rGxgCAVvU)
Notice how he can keep the bandit in the tunnel near blackout, and how he can peek around the canopy. Some people love it, some hate it. I pretty much can't fly a flight sim without it anymore. In my ideal world every flight sim would ship with a HOTAS, pedals, and head tracker if the person didn't have them.
The people I've seen that didn't like it had a tendency toward motion sickness so if that's you, take that as a factor.
EDIT: Myself, if I were in your shoes I'd consider waiting for the Oculus Rift to go commercial, though that might take a long time. It's going to be my next purchase for my computer for sure though.
Wiley.
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Here is a trailer of Turner's videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_WY0igAPKk&list=UUbhZmnzZ4BbHg7-O40DsrSA
Track IR is worth every penny IMO. It takes a couple of hours to get used to but frees up so much of your Stick fro other purposes:IE Trim settings on your hat switch instead of view directions.
You do want to bind Pause and Reset to keys or buttons on your stick. Pause obviously pauses Track IR. Reset will Reset your centered view to your current Real life head Position very helpful if you have a crappy game chair like me that slowly lowers its self over time.
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so he isn't having to use the view hat on his stick then? Does the zoom feature also work with tracker?
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Here is a trailer of Turner's videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_WY0igAPKk&list=UUbhZmnzZ4BbHg7-O40DsrSA
Track IR is worth every penny IMO. It takes a couple of hours to get used to but frees up so much of your Stick fro other purposes:IE Trim settings on your hat switch instead of view directions.
You do want to bind Pause and Reset to keys or buttons on your stick. Pause obviously pauses Track IR. Reset will Reset your centered view to your current Real life head Position very helpful if you have a crappy game chair like me that slowly lowers its self over time.
Optionally, instead of pausing it, you can add in a bit of deadband when it's centered so you don't have to have your head in exactly the same spot to return to center, just moderately close. I've got about a golfball sized bit of deadband in all directions so when I return my head to center I have some leeway where I can wiggle a bit and not have the view move. This negates the need to turn it off for me.
Everybody's different though, and head tracking is the single most personal setting you can have on your computer IMO. Some people have settings I couldn't work with at all, and many likely would hate my setup. If you get it, take the time to fiddle with the motion curves until it's working exactly how you want it to, don't be afraid to tweak it. Once you've got it tweaked to where you like it, then start trying to fly with it.
Zoom works just fine with it.
Wiley.
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One of the better videos I've seen, was by octavious I believe?
Made a long time ago right about the time TrackIR first came out
He used the song "hush" for his background music....
TC
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Check out some of Latrobe's videos.
https://m.youtube.com/user/ChainGuN2
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One of the better videos I've seen, was by octavious I believe?
Made a long time ago right about the time TrackIR first came out
He used the song "hush" for his background music....
TC
That's the one that made my buy my TrackIr :airplane:
It's still up on the naturalvision webpage http://www.naturalpoint.com/trackir/03-enhanced-games/game-aces-high-2.html
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Chief, IIRC... Ah films don't pick up the trackIR head movements at this current time
Is why people use fraps or some other video capturing program to make YouTube videos
Edit: thanks Lusche for providing a link to that video
TC
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THANKS GUYS, just GOTTA save my money and get me one, that is about as real as you can get on a computer, love it
Those links took me to more and I really like them.
SALUTE
ab8aac/dmdchief
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http://youtu.be/JqwGRmZjidE
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Why don't you give this a try in the meantime to see if you like it:
http://www.free-track.net/english/
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I couldnt imagine flying without one.
Its even better when used for infantry or vehicles in games that have those. The trick is getting past the first weeks getting used to it and trying to find the right profile. But once you get used to it it becomes the smartest $$ you ever spent on gaming.
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Oh yah dead band in the middle that sounds like a good idea.
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Really the trick to trackir is learning to use the profile editor. If you just jump in using the default aces high profile you're probably going to find it irritating. I should post some screensots of my profile settings.
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Fugitive did up a zip file of a bunch of peoples' profiles, might be of use to someone if they're having trouble and are looking for some samples they can tweak.
Here (http://www.mediafire.com/?y2flvoev2gzebxb)
Wiley.
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A few comments:
* I've used both and can say I'd give a slight nod to TrackIR over FreeTrack. Very slight.
* Do yourself a favor and get an active IR headset when using either TrackIR or FreeTrack as they are far more acurate than using the reflective clip that comes with TrackIR.
* That said, DON'T buy TrackIR's ProClip...it is a cheap, flimsy hunk of garbage you WILL end up breaking and fixing with glue....often. Instead, go buy this:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331296415386#ht_5570wt_1186 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331296415386#ht_5570wt_1186)
The "Delanclip" works with either TrackIR or FreeTrack. It is sturdy, well made and costs about the same as the TrackIR Pro Clip. Best flight sim related purchase I've made in a while. :aok
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Why don't you give this a try in the meantime to see if you like it:
http://www.free-track.net/english/
Just buy Track IR its essential for AH
Nrshida is a gypo and wont buy one :rofl
There is nothing wrong with the pro clip, if you break it you are a retard who cannot look after your toys
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I wouldn't fly without it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUU-adg8rMA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUU-adg8rMA)
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The "Delanclip" works with either TrackIR or FreeTrack. It is sturdy, well made and costs about the same as the TrackIR Pro Clip. Best flight sim related purchase I've made in a while. :aok
Thanks for this.
:salute
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does anyone use freetrack?
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Does anyone have any films using TrackIR, I am curious to see how it works in the game and see if it is worth me saving money for?
thanks
ab8aac/dmdchief
I hate it. Gives me vertigo or something--like looking through wavy lenses or a fishbowl even--because the head movement isn't in line with the screen's. Barely move and it will turn all the way. If you tone down the movement to more closely match then you have to contort to look behind you. I am in the minority here, but I cannot stand it. Yet when you see videos of people who use it I see the advantages and sure am jealous of their ability to adapt to it.
I am told I have to force myself to use it for thirty days and I will never go back. Just can't get myself to that point...
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I couldn't get the hang of shooting properly with having to sit up to look over the nose.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTv4y63JheY
i had just gotten my trakir, i had way to much e chasing a guy trying to make it to ack.
semp
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Does anyone have any films using TrackIR, I am curious to see how it works in the game and see if it is worth me saving money for?
thanks
ab8aac/dmdchief
All of the shots in this video use TrackIR: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XscUWDeU-qg
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does anyone use freetrack?
I built one and tested it. This is the write up I did on it
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,223422.0.html
The pictures aren't there..... it wasn't very pretty anyway :D but it did work well. I have since bought the TrackIR but Im not using it right now. I have a horrible aim and decided to work on that. With a lot of help from Bustr, Morph and many other also pouring over many films I can now keep my hit% in the 5-6 range and am pretty happy with that. It may be time to turn the old TrackIR back on.
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I hate it. Gives me vertigo or something--like looking through wavy lenses or a fishbowl even--because the head movement isn't in line with the screen's. Barely move and it will turn all the way. If you tone down the movement to more closely match then you have to contort to look behind you. I am in the minority here, but I cannot stand it. Yet when you see videos of people who use it I see the advantages and sure am jealous of their ability to adapt to it.
I am told I have to force myself to use it for thirty days and I will never go back. Just can't get myself to that point...
Sounds like you just need to work on your profile. I only have to turn my head about 20% to get full rear view. you can also add some dead band, and scaling to dampen the movements.
I couldn't imagine flying without it now !
a few tips,
Uncheck "Y" axis
Uncheck "trueview"
Limit "rotation" to 180
map a Joystick button for recenter. (I use button "C" on my X52)
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Nrshida is a gypo and wont buy one :rofl
D'ya like dags?
does anyone use freetrack?
I had both TrackIR and Freetrack. I sent my TrackIR to another AH player because I got motion sickness and then gave Freetrack a go when I read about some profile setups, figuring if I limited the axes it might help. I think some people will always get motion sickness because the head movement doesn't match the visual cues.
Good idea to try the free one first just in case. Inflight sick bags are ridiculous when you are sitting still at home.
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I hate it. Gives me vertigo or something--like looking through wavy lenses or a fishbowl even--because the head movement isn't in line with the screen's. Barely move and it will turn all the way. If you tone down the movement to more closely match then you have to contort to look behind you. I am in the minority here, but I cannot stand it. Yet when you see videos of people who use it I see the advantages and sure am jealous of their ability to adapt to it.
I am told I have to force myself to use it for thirty days and I will never go back. Just can't get myself to that point...
You have not it up properly :old:
Nrshida using a Mac, enough said :old:
If i sit in a boat i puke, so if i dont get sick using it anyone can use it :)
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I only recently started using TrackIR after getting one to use in Elite: Dangerous, and I love it! :aok
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I couldnt imagine flying without one.
Its even better when used for infantry or vehicles in games that have those. The trick is getting past the first weeks getting used to it and trying to find the right profile. But once you get used to it it becomes the smartest $$ you ever spent on gaming.
This.
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I only recently started using TrackIR after getting one to use in Elite: Dangerous, and I love it! :aok
Stop mentioning Elite!
I might jump ship and sign up :old:
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I wouldn't fly without it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUU-adg8rMA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUU-adg8rMA)
What sound pack are you using?
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I might jump ship and sign up :old:
I would if I could :old:
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One neat thing about trackir is that once you're accustomed to it, you're not "using it" anymore, you're just not conscious of it, it's almost like a thought-controlled view system.
The trackir profile editor is invaluable, without it I probably would have given up on trackir. It was giving me a lot of grief until I found a thread on this forum about optimizing your AH profile. If you're having problems with trackir in AH I encourage you to check out Fugitive and Wiley's stuff and learn your way around the profile editor program.
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I couldn't get the hang of shooting properly with having to sit up to look over the nose.
I'm not sure if you're talking about having to sit up to look through the gun sight or sit up to look over the gunsight. You can pause track ir, and move your view up and f10 save it and the view will stay like that after you unpause track ir. If you're having to sit up to look through the gun sight then I think you need to widen your deadbands.
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Stop mentioning Elite!
I might jump ship and sign up :old:
No! :P No need to jump ship, just get it when it's released. :)
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From my squad's experience, it takes up to a month to relearn to fly with TrackIR instead of using hat/keys.
Some never get adjusted and some feel motion-sickness using it.
The key is to get a working good profile from someone in the community.
You might have to modify to your preference, of example I got one from a squaddie, I disabled yaw movements, and tweaked movement and sensitiveness and made in generally higher dead-band.
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What sound pack are you using?
I'm pretty sure it's all Twinboom
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I'm pretty sure it's all Twinboom
Thanks!
:salute
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I have one more question does anyone that flys with one have to wear bi-focals, I do and was wondering if that interferrs
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build a free track for 15bucks and try it yourself...
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I have one more question does anyone that flys with one have to wear bi-focals, I do and was wondering if that interferrs
I use to wear bifocals. I now wear progressive lens. Neither lens of the bifocals was right for the distance my screen is at so the progressive lens helps.
Now progressive lenses have different focuses depending on where you look through the lens. It doesn't effect me any that I can tell. The trick here with trackir is you may only move your head 10 degrees and so your eyes move very little but your view on the screen will be the view of your wing tip.....90 degrees.
It's all in how you set it up
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thanks fugitive I have an IR5 in shipment at this time supposed to be here tomorrow or the next day, thanks
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thanks fugitive I have an IR5 in shipment at this time supposed to be here tomorrow or the next day, thanks
Did you get the reflective clip or the led clip (pro)? I use the former, and it works fine as long as the room is dark, but wished I had went with the pro version
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It came with the pro.
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Ok folks I got it in and installed but need help adjusting it. If I turn my head to the right it goes way past 180 but only about 3/4 of the way if I turn to the left. I can not see behind me as it looks at the seat and I can't seem to move away from it even in p51. Anyone that help with the profile setup it would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I would also like to know how you map the pause to a button on the ch throttle I saw someone somewhere had done that.
thanks
ab8aac/dmdchief
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TrackIR Center is one of the key binding choices in AH in the views menu.
You have to spend some time adjusting the camera while checking the results in the camera window. Make sure the LEDs aren't blocked by your full range of physical movement in your chair.
Scaling the axis will help with looking behind you.
I can't post my profile now but there are other threads with linked profiles.
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Ok folks I got it in and installed but need help adjusting it. If I turn my head to the right it goes way past 180 but only about 3/4 of the way if I turn to the left. I can not see behind me as it looks at the seat and I can't seem to move away from it even in p51. Anyone that help with the profile setup it would be greatly appreciated. Oh and I would also like to know how you map the pause to a button on the ch throttle I saw someone somewhere had done that.
thanks
ab8aac/dmdchief
I'll send you a copy of my profile if you wish. Just provide your email address via PM.
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Here's a link to a profile for the TrackClipPro. Roll and trueview are not checked. I set speed to 3 and smoothing to 30.
TrackIR Profile
(https://www.amazon.com/clouddrive/share/mX6bG0UjEtCPHepuo9MyWDDtOFz0PzKhDhPDdDSWHqQ)
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It takes ages to set up and get used to :)
Be careful of track pro not to break it :old:
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I unchecked the Y axis and it made a huge improvement in my gunnery. It's still not very good though. Was does the true view actually do?
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... Was does the true view actually do?
Trueview moves your head as you turn it. Without trueview your head just pivots.
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The "Delanclip" works with either TrackIR or FreeTrack. It is sturdy, well made and costs about the same as the TrackIR Pro Clip. Best flight sim related purchase I've made in a while.
thanks for the link, I like the metal construction.
I'm on my second ProClip, first one lasted 14 months. The catch broke when I was putting it on a new headset. Plastic electrical tape to care of the problem.
LtngRydr
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yup you gotta bind "pause" and "center" to a joystick button. do it from the trakir program. in the left middle where it says "hot key's".
semp
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Another tip. Once you have trackir working diddle with the FOV setting since you have a good view of the instrument panel. On the P-38 as an example, the FOV auto setting is 106 on my machine but I get a clearer view of the gauges using 102. It slides up a little closer to a proper head position to the front screen. It just looks more real. You might have to alter your head position while adjusting the FOV as well.
On the other hand I did not find it useful to alter the FOV on the P-47 bubble tops. The point is not all plane will benefit from a FOV change but it is interesting to change the setting.
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I unchecked the Y axis and it made a huge improvement in my gunnery. It's still not very good though. Was does the true view actually do?
Trueview moves your head as you turn it. Without trueview your head just pivots.
I thought (and experienced it) that it controls how your head moves while looking backwards. Let's say you want to check your 7 O'Clock, so you turn your head left, then lean to the right... while looking backwards with TrueView off, your game head will slide left (because to the sensor you are moving to ITS left); with it turned on, your game head will slide right (because it now knows it's looking at the back of your game head and you're sliding to YOUR right..
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Trueview moves your head as you turn it. Without trueview your head just pivots.
I thought (and experienced it) that it controls how your head moves while looking backwards. Let's say you want to check your 7 O'Clock, so you turn your head left, then lean to the right... while looking backwards with TrueView off, your game head will slide left (because to the sensor you are moving to ITS left); with it turned on, your game head will slide right (because it now knows it's looking at the back of your game head and you're sliding to YOUR right..
Do you have Track IR Object Relative Move checked in AH view preferences? I could be mixed up but what I described is easy to see on the TIR setup screen.
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I'll have to go back into the TIR setup, but I'm pretty sure with all 6 DOF enabled, it works the way I described. And I've also seen that an in-game setting like with AH, when activated, can sometimes reverse or otherwise goof up the motion if TrueView is enabled. At least it used to be that you enable one or the other, but not both at the same time.
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I'll have to go back into the TIR setup, but I'm pretty sure with all 6 DOF enabled, it works the way I described. And I've also seen that an in-game setting like with AH, when activated, can sometimes reverse or otherwise goof up the motion if TrueView is enabled. At least it used to be that you enable one or the other, but not both at the same time.
I think you're correct. I always have both off and I just checked the setup screen. It looks like they both do the same thing if one or the other is checked. I wasn't seeing it with the scaling in my usual profile but I tired the default settings and it was obvious. If I look 90 left or right and toggle true view my "head" also changes position but that's likely the Z axis showing the LEDs getting closer to the camera.