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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Slade on September 06, 2014, 09:11:27 AM
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Hey all,
In a recent outing with new and veteran pilots alike we were taking a base. In a few instances I was in the best position to take a shot on an enemy plane. I tried the following on vox:
- Lining up on Spit.
- Dropping in on the LA.
etc.
Each time though a friendly player flew in front of me and took the shot (both times without any announcement). This is not a whine. I am asking, is there a specific protocol or verbiage one must use in such instances to announce you are making a run on an enemy plane?
If this was a singular event no biggie. Happens more often than not though that is why I am posting.
Thanks,
Slade :salute
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The only one I have ever know of is:
When I come up on a 1 vs 1 I will most of the time ask my countrymen if he wants or needs help. If I do not get an answer within a few seconds up too a minute or so I will just presumably jump in. The lack of vox too me means everything this guy has got is in the fight.
Sometimes when I see a 2 vs 1 or even a 3 vs 1..... I ask if they want help. For me unless I have 5 or more fighting myself I will wave off players until I die. But I look too put myself into a bad position that way.
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^ this.
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Hey all,
In a recent outing with new and veteran pilots alike we were taking a base. In a few instances I was in the best position to take a shot on an enemy plane. I tried the following on vox:
- Lining up on Spit.
- Dropping in on the LA.
etc.
Each time though a friendly player flew in front of me and took the shot (both times without any announcement). This is not a whine. I am asking, is there a specific protocol or verbiage one must use in such instances to announce you are making a run on an enemy plane?
If this was a singular event no biggie. Happens more often than not though that is why I am posting.
Thanks,
Slade :salute
In most cases if you see me in a multi plane fight (gang) it's because I was the first one in and I just take so long knocking enough parts off that others join into help.
For 1 vs 1 I ask most times if they want help, if it's already 2 or 3 on 1 I go look for another fight. I WILL let people know as Im coming by them so they KNOW I'm there like, "coming by on your right, I'll get him to turn". If it is an instance where I'm getting all kinds of help :rolleyes: I pay VERY close attention to were the others are so I don't kill shoot myself. I don't count on the other letting me know they are there. I fly with my brother in law often and he is FINALLY getting good at letting me know when he is going to blast by in his pony.
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If is you with 13 friendlies and 1 bad guy chances are they will all gang the guy because they are desperate for the kill. So it won't really matter if you attempt to call others off. If you are in a 1v1,try to tell people by using vox or purple text yo call them off. I rarely jump into peopels 1V1 fights unless I have to.
More than likely someone will always try to "help" you, which kinda sucks sometimes cause you don't really need it.
I always tell my country men to not kill the guy I'm fighing but the pickers who are trying to ruin my fight. But if my teamates go for my kill and then let the pickerrs keep on flying around us, then that is poor flying for us. There are a lot of chances to get kills on planes that are picking 1v1 fights. So don't just go for the EZ kill in which your teammate already has em in his sites.
The answer is no though Slade. There is no protocol, the best you can do is simply try to call the others off, but most people don't give to craps and will still steal your kill from your 12.
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If is you with 13 friendlies and 1 bad guy chances are they will all gang the guy because they are desperate for the kill.
And even if there's a full sector darbar next sector indicating that something *big* is coming in, they will still all dive down to the deck for that single con... or follow that last remaining smoking Lancaster out of the sector :lol
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First.. I am p!ss-poor in a fighter...
Nevertheless, I'm not that desperate to get a kill. Could care less whether I get it or just assist. Sometimes I would just play "bait" to help the other guy knock down the opponent. If I can help a fellow "countryman" get his kill, I'm just as gratified I helped out.
There have been times I've jumped in at the request of a fellow player, and while he may have his opponent in his sights, taken parts off the guy, and yet I end up with the "Kill" message.. it doesn't seem right.
Sportsmanship matters regardless of the game being played, whether you're sitting at the same table or on different continents.
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In a furball there are no rules. Never trust a greenie to finish an enemy off, so take it out of the fight yourself if you get the chance. If not, this enemy will turn into you and shoot you down with the useless greenie still on his tail.
If you come across two planes having a go at each other 1 on 1 and do not risk you - ask on range before jumping in. No answer = an approval.
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If you come across two planes having a go at each other 1 on 1 and do not risk you - ask on range before jumping in. No answer = an approval.
Even when you don't get an answer from me, you might take second to judge the situation. No answer doesn't mean you have to clear my 12, just because I couldn't get my hands off the HOTAS to type on country channel ;)
Oh, and it's not that rare that I simply don't understand what folks are talking ... not many here use the Queens English I learned in school... :old:
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I am asking, is there a specific protocol or verbiage one must use in such instances to announce you are making a run on an enemy plane?
Flying with guys you know well helps. And I know that cannot be arranged always. Our squad helps each other much like you do telling pilots whom you're lining up upon. And, clearing each others' six, and setting up cons as well.
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Even when you don't get an answer from me, you might take second to judge the situation. No answer doesn't mean you have to clear my 12, just because I couldn't get my hands off the HOTAS to type on country channel ;)
Oh, and it's not that rare that I simply don't understand what folks are talking ... not many here use the Queens English I learned in school... :old:
Yeah, just because I don't answer doesn't mean I want you to come pick the dude I'm about to defeat 1v1. Even if it looks like I'm losing. I will die with honor. just kill the pickers!!!
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If is you with 13 friendlies and 1 bad guy chances are they will all gang the guy because they are desperate for the kill.
^ This...
and with numbers down in the MA I think this is more the rule now than the exception in most circumstances.
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Ask on range if your countryman needs help is the courteous way to go...of course, some pilots take that as an insult so your damned if you do or don't (no pun intended).
I've personally had my 12 cleared way too many times to count over the past month...far more than usual. In one case I heard a "Sorry...I didn't see you on him" afterwards on range vox.
Guess being 200 off the red guy's six obscured me from his view. :rolleyes:
You just have to take 12 clears in stride...
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The only one I have ever know of is:
When I come up on a 1 vs 1 I will most of the time ask my countrymen if he wants or needs help. If I do not get an answer within a few seconds up too a minute or so I will just presumably jump in. The lack of vox too me means everything this guy has got is in the fight.
This
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And even if there's a full sector darbar next sector indicating that something *big* is coming in, they will still all dive down to the deck for that single con... or follow that last remaining smoking Lancaster out of the sector :lol
Absolutely!
Its one of the tactics I use when we are being attacked. Folk here are as predictable as the sunrise.
Go to enemy base. Swoop down on a few and knock off as many as I can before like a school of fish they all start coming after me. Then its stay alive as long as possible. Usually by the time I've died. My base has started to recover through attrition and everyone who should be headed back to my base chasing after me instead. Keep 5 or 6 busy for a couple of minutes and it can make a big difference
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In a furball there are no rules. Never trust a greenie to finish an enemy off, so take it out of the fight yourself if you get the chance. If not, this enemy will turn into you and shoot you down with the useless greenie still on his tail.
If you come across two planes having a go at each other 1 on 1 and do not risk you - ask on range before jumping in. No answer = an approval.
Furball is a different story. Anything is fair game. I dont even care if you clear my 12 so long as the red guy dies
But occasionally you come across that have diverted outside of the furball. Then I still ask or if it seems like my guy has the advantage. I'll leave it be if I get no responce
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Absolutely!
Its one of the tactics I use when we are being attacked. Folk here are as predictable as the sunrise.
Go to enemy base. Swoop down on a few and knock off as many as I can before like a school of fish they all start coming after me. Then its stay alive as long as possible. Usually by the time I've died. My base has started to recover through attrition and everyone who should be headed back to my base chasing after me instead. Keep 5 or 6 busy for a couple of minutes and it can make a big difference
writing this down...Lol :neener:
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Something to consider is the slight delay in Vox!
Stuff happens fast ingame and even though you said something over Vox it doesnt me the other player{s} hear it. Remember that vox is recorded and played back so that cause a slight delay,add in net delay and you could have several second pass before your vox is heard.
Question for you smart cookies,How far will a plane travel at 400 mph in 2 seconds?
It's rhetorical but it illustrates why it could possibly have happened,IMHO it was a I need to kill the bad guy syndrome.... alll gamers suffer from it from time to time!
:salute
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Just scream on vox.......MINE MINE MINE.........works like a charm :joystick:
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There is no protocol. The MA is a warzone, not a gentleman's club. If you can't kill the guy you're fighting quickly, whether he's in front of you beside you, or wherever, he remains an active threat and should be dispatched by any available friendlies as quickly as possible.
If people dislike this, there's always the DA.
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If it enters you're guns range,pull the trigger and sort out the rest later.
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There is no protocol. The MA is a warzone, not a gentleman's club. If you can't kill the guy you're fighting quickly, whether he's in front of you beside you, or wherever, he remains an active threat and should be dispatched by any available friendlies as quickly as possible.
If people dislike this, there's always the DA.
Says the poser pick HO master.
Some of us have been around long enough to remember there was a code of honor. Even in an Ma setting.
You sir have no honor. I doubt you even know the meaning of the word
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For the record. Yes I pick too. But rarely a 1V1 without the consent or request of my country men
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Says the poser pick HO master.
Some of us have been around long enough to remember there was a code of honor. Even in an Ma setting.
You sir have no honor. I doubt you even know the meaning of the word
With all due respect, the last time we fought 1v1, you ran for three minutes after you attempted to vulch me after takeoff, dying after I chased you for a full grid. Please refrain from lecturing me about "honor."
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Says the poser pick HO master.
Some of us have been around long enough to remember there was a code of honor. Even in an Ma setting.
You sir have no honor. I doubt you even know the meaning of the word
:rofl
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There is no protocol. The MA is a warzone, not a gentleman's club. If you can't kill the guy you're fighting quickly, whether he's in front of you beside you, or wherever, he remains an active threat and should be dispatched by any available friendlies as quickly as possible.
If people dislike this, there's always the DA.
It happens in the DA too.
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Flying with Top Gun has made me rush to kill everything that gets in front of my gunsights, ESPECIALLY flying with DrBone and TripWire.
They show absolutely NO remorse for flying in front of you and taking your kill while you killshoot yourself. :frown: It has happened to me
on many occasions.
Ratio
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Flying with Top Gun has made me rush to kill everything that gets in front of my gunsights, ESPECIALLY flying with DrBone and TripWire.
They show absolutely NO remorse for flying in front of you and taking your kill while you killshoot yourself. :frown: It has happened to me
on many occasions.
Ratio
Poison also steals kills. :old:
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Flying with Top Gun has made me rush to kill everything that gets in front of my gunsights, ESPECIALLY flying with DrBone and TripWire.
They show absolutely NO remorse for flying in front of you and taking your kill while you killshoot yourself. :frown: It has happened to me
on many occasions.
Ratio
Which is why AH is turning into an arcade game...so sad.
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Which is why AH is turning into an arcade game...so sad.
An arcade game. . .I don't know what type of arcade games you are playing but Aces High is definitely not turning into an arcade game. :rolleyes:
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With all due respect, the last time we fought 1v1, you ran for three minutes after you attempted to vulch me after takeoff, dying after I chased you for a full grid. Please refrain from lecturing me about "honor."
Is it on YouTube yet?
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Flying with Top Gun has made me rush to kill everything that gets in front of my gunsights, ESPECIALLY flying with DrBone and TripWire.
They show absolutely NO remorse for flying in front of you and taking your kill while you killshoot yourself. :frown: It has happened to me
on many occasions.
Ratio
This is standard squad mate protocol... there's a manual in the O'club somewhere
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There is no protocol. The MA is a warzone, not a gentleman's club. If you can't kill the guy you're fighting quickly, whether he's in front of you beside you, or wherever, he remains an active threat and should be dispatched by any available friendlies as quickly as possible.
If people dislike this, there's always the DA.
Of course, because the DA is a paragon of fair play and gentlemanly behavior, which players use as a test of skill and there are well understood rules of gamesmanship that are never breached.
Well, the DA was very much like this 6-8 years ago, now it is simply the MA with nothing to bomb.
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Hey all,
In a recent outing with new and veteran pilots alike we were taking a base. In a few instances I was in the best position to take a shot on an enemy plane. I tried the following on vox:
- Lining up on Spit.
- Dropping in on the LA.
etc.
Each time though a friendly player flew in front of me and took the shot (both times without any announcement). This is not a whine. I am asking, is there a specific protocol or verbiage one must use in such instances to announce you are making a run on an enemy plane?
If this was a singular event no biggie. Happens more often than not though that is why I am posting.
Thanks,
Slade :salute
I usually found that if I managed to secure a 1v1 and engage in an exciting fight, battling the other guy down from alt, more often than not a gaggle of friendlies would show up as soon as the hard work was done and mob him.
Conversely, whenever I had run into a horde of red, the friendly gaggle is conspicuous by its absence, almost certainly bravely clearing some other guys 12 :joystick:
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With all due respect, the last time we fought 1v1, you ran for three minutes after you attempted to vulch me after takeoff, dying after I chased you for a full grid. Please refrain from lecturing me about "honor."
"Last time we fought" The instance you are referring your feild ack gave me a pilot wound complete with frequent total blackouts. Which was why I ran for 3 minutes. and you were hardly alone. You had 2 other people also chasing me. Whom for the record were already chasing me.
Did you see me whine about it?
The only comment I made was when 2 flights later I was engaged in a 1V1 well away from any furball and you came zooming in for the pick which I saw last second at the top of a loop and couldnt move out of the way in time. And to that I simply said "Figures"
You have beaten me in a square fight exactly once. That was about 3 weeks ago. And for that I give you credit. Beyond that I give you little more.
BTW your rope attempt last night didnt turn out exactly the way you wanted it did it?
I'll give you some credit for last night though. I saw no HO attempts while you were flying the D9. Dont know what others saw But I am only speaking for myself
Sawz was a different story. He started with the HO attempt at 1.5 out. That was right after I passed you who made no HO attempt. I fired back and he went down. What was he doing in a 38 anyway? I turned around to reacquire your location and saw you were already low with 2 or 3 on you. I circled around a couple of times but stayed out.
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Hey all,
In a recent outing with new and veteran pilots alike we were taking a base. In a few instances I was in the best position to take a shot on an enemy plane. I tried the following on vox:
- Lining up on Spit.
- Dropping in on the LA.
etc.
Each time though a friendly player flew in front of me and took the shot (both times without any announcement). This is not a whine. I am asking, is there a specific protocol or verbiage one must use in such instances to announce you are making a run on an enemy plane?
If this was a singular event no biggie. Happens more often than not though that is why I am posting.
Thanks,
Slade :salute
try saying things like "let me kill the spit, please..." or "let us have a 1v1.." very rarely do i see anybody asking this and seeing that others wont stay away.
but mainly in a furball it's a free for all. many times I have gotten behind a con's six have a clear shot and some other guys mentions "he's dropping on the same con", I guess he didnt see me. I blow it away and sometimes I get yelled at but oh well.
semp
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Of course, because the DA is a paragon of fair play and gentlemanly behavior, which players use as a test of skill and there are well understood rules of gamesmanship that are never breached.
Well, the DA was very much like this 6-8 years ago, now it is simply the MA with nothing to bomb.
Ah yes, remember the old "check 6" to engange standard. I surely miss these days too. Many great 1v1s were had and many lessons learned.
I usually found that if I managed to secure a 1v1 and engage in an exciting fight, battling the other guy down from alt, more often than not a gaggle of friendlies would show up as soon as the hard work was done and mob him.
Conversely, whenever I had run into a horde of red, the friendly gaggle is conspicuous by its absence, almost certainly bravely clearing some other guys 12 :joystick:
I like both of your responses haha. This is roughly the real truth in a lot of instances haha
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Is it on YouTube yet?
I'm sure it eventually will be.
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I'm sure it eventually will be.
If I had a film of everyone I shot down in AH on YouTube, it would probably take up too much space on youtube.
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If I had a film of everyone I shot down in AH on YouTube, it would probably take up too much space on youtube.
As would any player who has played this game as long as either of us have, but that's as irrelevant as the question was to the topic.
Is there some issue with YouTube videos and montages?
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I'm sure it eventually will be.
I wanna see teh film. :old:
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There is no protocol.......
If you don't give a S£it what anyone thinks of you then steal some other guys kill and bathe in the glory of your improved score/ rank etc etc......
If you feel aggrieved regarding having your kill stolen ( and can't just shrug and move on) then by all means rant on 200 or in here so you can draw attention to this heinous act.
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Is there some issue with YouTube videos and montages?
Would you like there to be? Would it give your life meaning and purpose?
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Would you like there to be? Would it give your life meaning and purpose?
:lol
Not at all! Does posting this stuff give yours meaning?
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^ This...
and with numbers down in the MA I think this is more the rule now than the exception in most circumstances.
i wouldn't mind taking on the whole community :old:
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i wouldn't mind taking on the whole community :old:
think Debbie already made that movie.
semp
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think Debbie already made that movie.
semp in Dallas I believe
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There is no protocol, just the decision to extend courtesy based on what you can observe about the engagment that is happening in front of you. Quick rule of thumb for myself: If I am in no way threatened by the bad guy in the engagement, then I stay out (unless help is requested or obivously needed). If that red guy turns towards my plane and gets too close then I will engage without remorse.
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Thanks all for the suggestions. :salute