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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: KOOL on September 10, 2014, 09:08:12 AM
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I'm shopping to build a new system and would appreciate any feedback on the current list of parts that I collected. This system will be mainly used for AH purposes. My budget is $1K, not including an OS. The current list includes:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.70 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB CMZ8GX3M2X1600C7R (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Do any of these parts need to be swapped out for others (i.e. use a cheaper CPU and/or MB for a better VC)?
Or does this setup look good enough to carry me in AH for the next few years which includes the new AH graphics engine update that's just around the corner?
Also what is the better OS to run on this setup, Win 7 or 8?
Thanks for your feedback.
KOOL
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I'm shopping to build a new system and would appreciate any feedback on the current list of parts that I collected. This system will be mainly used for AH purposes. My budget is $1K, not including an OS. The current list includes:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.70 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB CMZ8GX3M2X1600C7R (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($109.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Crucial MX100 256GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($109.99 @ Micro Center)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Superclocked ACX Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower Case ($119.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 750W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($119.99 @ Amazon)
Do any of these parts need to be swapped out for others (i.e. use a cheaper CPU and/or MB for a better VC)?
Or does this setup look good enough to carry me in AH for the next few years which includes the new AH graphics engine update that's just around the corner?
Also what is the better OS to run on this setup, Win 7 or 8?
Thanks for your feedback.
KOOL
Better to pick a ram from the supported memory list: http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-z97x-ud3h.pdf
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windows 7
68valu
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Better to pick a ram from the supported memory list: http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-z97x-ud3h.pdf
Thanks MrRiplEy. This one shows up on the gigabyte supported memory list and knocks off $20.
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
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Kool,check that PSU,Corsair has some great PSU's but not all are made by seasonic!
I know the TX line is made by seasonic,not sure who makes their modular psu tho.
I am certainly no expert but I would think a single 12 volt line with more amps would be better than several 12 volt lines at lower amperage.
I have the same MB and use vengeance ram with no issues although I use the cmz8gx3m2a1600c9 version.
YMMV.
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get the Samsung evo 256 ssd. I have it is really fast.
semp
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get the Samsung evo 256 ssd. I have it is really fast.
semp
Wait wait, does this mean you're now a converted SSD believer? :devil Welcome to the club.
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Kool,check that PSU,Corsair has some great PSU's but not all are made by seasonic!
I know the TX line is made by seasonic,not sure who makes their modular psu tho.
I am certainly no expert but I would think a single 12 volt line with more amps would be better than several 12 volt lines at lower amperage.
I have the same MB and use vengeance ram with no issues although I use the cmz8gx3m2a1600c9 version.
YMMV.
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I couldn't find out who the manufacturer is for the Corsair RM PSU line but for $10 more the AX-760 appears to be made by Seasonic. Plus it is platinum certified so I'm switching to the AX-760. Here's the reference source I used: http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/psu_manufacturers (http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/psu_manufacturers)
Thanks for confirming the CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 had no issues with the same MB. I changed to that version of ram on my list minutes before you posted.
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KOOL
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Thanks to the Whirlpool PSU link, I added it to my sources. I would have recommended Tom's Hardware, but that was already linked in the Whirlpool list.
As for my opinion, your compilation looks quite balanced. Although no-one can tell what the new version of AH will need, that doesn't look like a waste of money.
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get the Samsung evo 256 ssd. I have it is really fast.
semp
The Samsung EVO 256 ssd is $112 more than the Crucial MX100. Being $55 over budget already I don't want to take an additional 10% hit.
KOOL
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I like it, other than the RAM issue mentioned already. It's a shame you can't stretch to 16gb RAM, or more importantly, move up to the 770 card from the 760 series, as the performance jump is significant. Also, how soon do you need to build this? nVidia is announcing it's new 9xx line of video cars in just over a week now, another 8 days I think, and the 7 series may likely drop in price a bit. Certain 780ti cards are already having huge price drops all over the net, some 100 to nearly 200$ drops on newegg and ncix and the like. So, waiting just a tad may, MAY, save you some $, and let you move up a tad in performance.
Also, regarding the Samsung SSD, I'm using Samsung 840 EVOs as well, and had the 128 830 EVO as my boot drive for a couple of years with no trouble, even running AH on it when I hadn't known it was recommended not to as due to small read/writes it's hard on them. No trouble. That said, the model you've picked will work just fine, Samsung has a pretty big rep for SSDs in the PC/gaming world, but that doesn't mean that other stuff isn't good either. One other thing regarding HD, is that SSD the only drive you're going to use? You realize I'm sure that after format, and then instal of Win7 or 8 that 256 gb SSD will be well under 200, and that they don't always run happy when squished right full. That isn't much room at all, not nowadays. Heck, my Steam folder alone is way, way over that, and it's not all that many games really. I would say of all the things that could be addressed or changed, this is probably the most critical, other than making sure you get the proper RAM, (8 gigs WILL suffice IMO, just 16 would be a primary upjump should you be able to stretch or change anything budget wise). I just think that unless you only are using this for very limited stuff, ie say just AH and maybe a few other games here and there, that you'll soon run out of space. Many guys add a spinner 7200 rpm drive to similar builds, you can get a 1tb drive for 50 or 60 bucks if you look around, and you'll be glad you added it IMO.
Your case - Bravo to you. I bought a C70 Black the first day they came out. I'm a huge Corsair fan boy, and have supported their stuff forever. You'll love that case, it's tough, solid, and has nice rubber spring loaded handles on the top, which makes moving it around a snap, where as nearly every other case has no handles and needs to be picked up from the bottom, a pita a lot of the time IMO. If you can swing another 20$ or so pick up another 2 case fans, there is ample room for them and it'll help your temps a great deal if you're going to o/c either your CPU or your GPU. Corsair PSU's are great as well, similar to Samsung and the SSD's, SeaSonic has "the" rep for PSU's, but Corsair PSU's that aren't already mostly manufactured by Seasonic are equally well made and reliable IMO. I'm using an 850 modular and a 1050 as well from Corsair, and I've had excellent luck with both for a couple years now.
Overall, very solid build, with some different/better RAM. Win 7 or 8 is personal pref IMO, I would pick 7 myself, but 8.1 will work just fine as well, it's just different is all, and mainly networky types are the ones who dislike it greatly. Again, I would try and wait just a week or two and see what nVidia's new stuff brings in terms of price reductions, as by October it's likely the 9xx cards will be selling instead of the 7xx as the frontrunners, so a good 770 card will quite possibly be in your sights, and one of those o/c a bit with that CPU o/c'd will work well with virtually any game you throw at it right now.
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Gman, Corsair does not manufacture, nor design, their power supplies. They buy them from Seasonic, and others. Open them up, side by side, and they are identical to many different resellers of power supplies (Thermaltake, Antec, and so on).
Just letting you know.
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I guess it depends which models and when they were made. Channel Wells built a significant number of PSU's for Corsair until a few years ago. Whoever Corsair uses for their PSUs and many other components which they don't build in a factory themselves have always made decent quality products IMO, the only problem I ever had was a 100i water cooler that got noisy, very noisy, and it was replaced no questions asked.
People get too wound out over the "Seasonic" brand IMO, as good as they are, it's as though they are the only company that has ever built a reliable PSU unit. In at least 30 different gaming PCs I've had since my first 286, I've never, ever, had a single PSU fail in any system, and I'm sure over 1/2 of them were made by a company other than Seasonic.
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I was not saying Seasonic is best. I was just saying Corsair does not manufacture their power supplies. They have several different manufacturer's making supplies for them. That is all.
Personally, if I am asked to recommend a supply, then right now, I will recommend Seasonic. That does not mean the Corsair branded Seasonic supplies are not just as good. They are identical, as a matter of fact, except for the external aesthetics.
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I understand that, the Seasonic statement had nothing to do with your post, it's just a general overall sentiment from dozens of hardware sites like Toms, O/C.net, O/C UK, and the like. That is all.
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Well, right now, Seasonic makes more top end supplies for more resellers than any other company. They do have a quality product which produces quality power.
Any top name in power supply is usually a re-branded Seasonic.
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I guess it depends which models and when they were made. Channel Wells built a significant number of PSU's for Corsair until a few years ago. Whoever Corsair uses for their PSUs and many other components which they don't build in a factory themselves have always made decent quality products IMO, the only problem I ever had was a 100i water cooler that got noisy, very noisy, and it was replaced no questions asked.
People get too wound out over the "Seasonic" brand IMO, as good as they are, it's as though they are the only company that has ever built a reliable PSU unit. In at least 30 different gaming PCs I've had since my first 286, I've never, ever, had a single PSU fail in any system, and I'm sure over 1/2 of them were made by a company other than Seasonic.
Gman, I wish I could say that! Back when I had several antec PSU's go bad on me,1 cost me the entire build as it fried pretty much everything in the box except the HD.
I have both a corsair and an XFX psu now,both are rebranded seasonics and neither has failed me. the corsair is going on 8 years now!
I think the OP has a solid build,my only concern was that he check the PSU as I'm not sold on these "modular" designs.Most cases these days allow you to hide all the extra wires and connectors so air flow shouldnt be an issue like it was way back when.
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I've been lucky, I know that much. The PC I'm typing this on is one of 2 home theater boxes we run. It's an older i7 820 I believe with one of the first 5770s, and it hasn't been switched off in 4 years now, and that's after over a year of hard gaming when the 5770 was the "king". It only gets rebooted by Windows upgrades and the infrequent lighting storm. The other one has been on since 2008. I've probably cursed myself saying this.
I agree that the OP has a good build. Again, I hope he can wait just a few days to see if the $ comes down, like I said, there were huge drops on many 780ti cards, it trended on social media briefly even (try not to laugh) which is how I first heard of it. If that drop corresponds to the 770 card, which is already less than 100$ for several decent eVGA models from the 760 chosen, and say gets to within 50$ or even less for the 1000$ budget, this is where to strike IMO so far as getting more bang/$. The 770 o/c so well, and will easily run 780 numbers from most manufacturers out there. That will help carry this system build forward a fair bit longer so far as longevity IMO.
Building/hardware is so much fun. Skuzzy, how has your system you built stood up? It was a 7950 GPU if IRC? I remember because I was building my 3820 680sli system at the same time, and almost went with two 7950 in xfire as the 7950 at the time was easily the best bang/$ around performance wise.
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My home box is rocking along. No problems. Been a rock solid box, but then again, every system I have ever owned/built was that way.
About the only issues I ever had in the last 20 years, or so, was when Antec went to crap and I ended up replacing all the Antec supplies at work with PC Power & Cooling, before they got bought by OCZ and nerfed. Now I use Seasonic's.
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Wait wait, does this mean you're now a converted SSD believer? :devil Welcome to the club.
not really but if he's gonna get one might as well be the the evo.
semp
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The Samsung EVO 256 ssd is $112 more than the Crucial MX100. Being $55 over budget already I don't want to take an additional 10% hit.
KOOL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147248
it's only 20 bucks at $139, more but I think more reliable. and it only has a .99 cent shipping charge.
also when it comes to newegg, look for combo options and you can save a few bucks. and be aware that all manufacturers that offer rebates will take months before you get a check or debit card. I mean you will get it but it takes 60 to 90 days.
btw I am assuming you gonna re-use some parts from your current built, such as dvd drive and hd. if money is tight, I would hold off on the ssd and add it later. it wont be any trouble to add it later on.
semp
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Thanks MrRiplEy. This one shows up on the gigabyte supported memory list and knocks off $20.
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($89.99 @ Amazon)
84 at new egg with free shipping.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144&cm_re=CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9-_-20-233-144-_-Product
semp
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Semp: Thanks for the links on the Samsung SSD EVO. That is a much better price and I will consider it. Also, thanks for the ram link. I just check my saved parts list on pcpartpicker and see the ram price drop there too, also at Newegg.
Gman: Thanks for the feedback. I'm in no major hurry to build. I've waited a year now so another couple to few weeks is no big deal. I tried to build a system around the 770 but just couldn't get it under, or near, budget. Hopefully in a few weeks the 770 price will creep down enough to warrant the switch.
Salute!
KOOL
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Overall, very solid build, with some different/better RAM.
Do you have any recommendations on 'some different/better RAM'?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147248
it's only 20 bucks at $139, more but I think more reliable. and it only has a .99 cent shipping charge.
It just dropped to $109 on Amazon w/free shipping.:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3W1726/?tag=pcpapi-20 (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3W1726/?tag=pcpapi-20)
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I'm about to pull the trigger on a few select parts from my build list but I'm hesitating on my memory selection. My current choice is the Corsair Vengeance 8GB CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9 (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600, which is listed on the gigbayte support list (http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-z97x-ud3h.pdf (http://download.gigabyte.eu/FileList/Memory/mb_memory_ga-z97x-ud3h.pdf)), but how do I know if this is actually best one to choose? Is there a good resource out there that can help determine which is the best memory to buy from the gigabyte's supported memory list?
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I wouldn't put too much weight on the memory. If it's on the support list and the rated speed is within the specs you've planned, it will work. You most probably wouldn't be able to tell any difference without some measuring programs anyway.
Don't put more time in choosing components for a computer you'd be using the next few years than you'd put choosing a lifelong companion!
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I wouldn't put too much weight on the memory. If it's on the support list and the rated speed is within the specs you've planned, it will work. You most probably wouldn't be able to tell any difference without some measuring programs anyway.
Don't put more time in choosing components for a computer you'd be using the next few years than you'd put choosing a lifelong companion!
I read an article recently where they benchmarked rams, they found out PC3-14900 i.e. DDR3 1866Mhz to be the current sweet spot. Going above that only rises cost fast but getting the regular 1600mhz gives a little penalty already.
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I read an article recently where they benchmarked rams, they found out PC3-14900 i.e. DDR3 1866Mhz to be the current sweet spot. Going above that only rises cost fast but getting the regular 1600mhz gives a little penalty already.
Ok, so DDR3 1866 is preferred. That helps narrow down gigbytes supported list by more than half (only 22 choices of 1866 vs. 57 for 1600). Are any of these manufacturer's better than the other (Avexir, Corsair, Crucial, Geil, G.Skill, Kingston, Patriot, Panram, Silicon Power, Team)?
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Ok, so DDR3 1866 is preferred. That helps narrow down gigbytes supported list by more than half (only 22 choices of 1866 vs. 57 for 1600). Are any of these manufacturer's better than the other (Avexir, Corsair, Crucial, Geil, G.Skill, Kingston, Patriot, Panram, Silicon Power, Team)?
Once I've verified what memory is recommended by the motherboard maker, I usually look at Tom's Hardware. Then go look at customer reviews at Newegg.
http://www.tomshardware.com/t/memory/ (http://www.tomshardware.com/t/memory/)
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Ok, so DDR3 1866 is preferred. That helps narrow down gigbytes supported list by more than half (only 22 choices of 1866 vs. 57 for 1600). Are any of these manufacturer's better than the other (Avexir, Corsair, Crucial, Geil, G.Skill, Kingston, Patriot, Panram, Silicon Power, Team)?
I would check the qualified vendor list of your motherboard, those rams are tested by the maker.
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Ok, so DDR3 1866 is preferred. That helps narrow down gigbytes supported list by more than half (only 22 choices of 1866 vs. 57 for 1600). Are any of these manufacturer's better than the other (Avexir, Corsair, Crucial, Geil, G.Skill, Kingston, Patriot, Panram, Silicon Power, Team)?
be aware KOOL that most likely you will have to oc your system to get speeds on ram like 1600 or above. but dont be afraid of it, it's not that big of a deal to do it.
but if your ram is on the list it's most likely to not cause a problem. I have ram that isnt on the list for my mobo as the list was very limited and I have never had a problem with it. but some others did with with the exact ram on the same mobo. go figure.
I like gskill, just because this is my second build and never had a problem with it, except once. and that was due to a bios update where they mobo manu messed up and you could only use one stick but that was promptly fixed.
if I was you, and I was going to reuse parts from my old build. I would get the mobo/cpu/ram first. reuse the case, hd, dvd, ps and os. If I recall correctly you built your other one too. and add parts or more better parts as your budget allows.
if you need a sound card, i have 2 available for the price of little more than shipping. one is brand new that I just didnt have the time to return and the other is the sb z series. a better card with great sound.
semp
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I read an article recently where they benchmarked rams, they found out PC3-14900 i.e. DDR3 1866Mhz to be the current sweet spot. Going above that only rises cost fast but getting the regular 1600mhz gives a little penalty already.
out of curiosity what do you mean by this? you talking money or performance, only reason I was asking is that a year or 2 ago using something more than 1600 was just a waste of money.
semp
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I would check the qualified vendor list of your motherboard, those rams are tested by the maker.
Yes I understand the list were tested by the MB maker but which one on their list is the best performer? Or are they all equally the same in performance, quality, and dependability?
Before your last post I found this site:
http://www.memorybenchmark.net/ram_list.php (http://www.memorybenchmark.net/ram_list.php)
With this I'm able to drop in the module part number from the MB maker's supported list and can see the Latency Time, Read Uncached Transfer Rate, and Write Transfer Rate values, along with some prices. Are these good catagories to use for comparison? Or are there other things like CAS that are more meaningful for comparison?
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if I was you, and I was going to reuse parts from my old build. I would get the mobo/cpu/ram first. reuse the case, hd, dvd, ps and os. If I recall correctly you built your other one too. and add parts or more better parts as your budget allows.
if you need a sound card, i have 2 available for the price of little more than shipping. one is brand new that I just didnt have the time to return and the other is the sb z series. a better card with great sound.
semp
Initially I planned to use parts from my previous build however that changed. This will be a fresh build so I can retire my current rig for general family use. The current family rig is 8-10 years old still on WinXP and runs like a POS. Except for maybe a DVD drive all of the parts I'm currently shopping for will be for AH purposes only. I have an old sound card, I think it's a SoundBlaster FX or something like that, which I may or may not use. Not sure with the MB I'll really need it but thanks for your sound card offer anyway.
Salute!
KOOL
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Based on the MB's supported memory list, and utilizing the PassMark memory Benchmarks, the Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD8GX3M2A1866C9 appears to be the better ram. Yes?
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag471/johnwickman/Legend_zps80a22531.jpg) (http://s1375.photobucket.com/user/johnwickman/media/Legend_zps80a22531.jpg.html)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag471/johnwickman/RAM-Compare_zps82f6281e.jpg) (http://s1375.photobucket.com/user/johnwickman/media/RAM-Compare_zps82f6281e.jpg.html)
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out of curiosity what do you mean by this? you talking money or performance, only reason I was asking is that a year or 2 ago using something more than 1600 was just a waste of money.
semp
I wish I had the review link at hand, basically they were testing a current i7 with multiple different ram speeds and benchmarking each. They found out that the 'baseline' 1600Mhz ram is starting to show negatively in benchmarks and a better price/performance ratio could be found using 1866Mhz modules instead. Going above that showed negative returns, you had to spend way too much money to be worth it.
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Based on the MB's supported memory list, and utilizing the PassMark memory Benchmarks, the Corsair Dominator Platinum CMD8GX3M2A1866C9 appears to be the better ram. Yes?
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag471/johnwickman/Legend_zps80a22531.jpg) (http://s1375.photobucket.com/user/johnwickman/media/Legend_zps80a22531.jpg.html)
(http://i1375.photobucket.com/albums/ag471/johnwickman/RAM-Compare_zps82f6281e.jpg) (http://s1375.photobucket.com/user/johnwickman/media/RAM-Compare_zps82f6281e.jpg.html)
Kool,
yes the charts shows what you say is correct,however for 1 nanosecond you pay 1/3 more..... :rolleyes: Maybe I'm just not up on this stuff enough but it seems to me thats a lot of cash for little return.
I look at timming ,9,12,12 or something like that and you will see most are the same or very close,the older ram had lower timmings but also ran slower so becarefull to compate apples to apples!
Personally,I get the 90 dollar ram and get more of it,I dont think you will see or notice a difference,unless of course you plan to do heavy video editting or maybe some cadcam type stuff!
I'm just a layman who is learning on the go,there's plenty of experts around here to advise you,my only advice is not to spend more than you need to,afterall a brand new computer is obsolete before you build it....... :devil
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KOOL a question we probably need is will you only be playing ah? or will you be doing something else. because for ah a cheaper ram will be the way to go. more expensive ram is not necessarily better.
semp
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Buy a high-end graphics card, if you plan to play other games than AH.
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Kool,
yes the charts shows what you say is correct,however for 1 nanosecond you pay 1/3 more..... :rolleyes: Maybe I'm just not up on this stuff enough but it seems to me thats a lot of cash for little return.
I look at timming ,9,12,12 or something like that and you will see most are the same or very close,the older ram had lower timmings but also ran slower so becarefull to compate apples to apples!
Personally,I get the 90 dollar ram and get more of it,I dont think you will see or notice a difference,unless of course you plan to do heavy video editting or maybe some cadcam type stuff!
I'm just a layman who is learning on the go,there's plenty of experts around here to advise you,my only advice is not to spend more than you need to,afterall a brand new computer is obsolete before you build it....... :devil
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You're right that investing in faster ram has poor price/performance ratio. The reviewers in the article suggested however to consider 1866 as the 'new baseline' for ram purchases.
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Buy a high-end graphics card, if you plan to play other games than AH.
This. 90 additional bucks spent on ram speed may give you maybe 0.5 fps increase but 90 bucks to a higher model graphics card can give you 20fps or more as long as your cpu is up to the task.
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Ok, this is good info. Thanks. I'll reallocate the excessive ram funds towards a better gpu. That little bit bumps my gpu choice range from the GTX 760 to a GTX 770. Maybe after a few weeks the GTX 780 may even be within reach? I plan to wait and see before pulling the trigger on the gpu.
The trigger is already pulled on the case, psu, mb, cpu cooler, and os. Price jumped on the cpu so I'll hold off ordering it for now to see if it will come back down.
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Is this HD decent for daily use (i.e. Photo storage)?
WDBH2D0010HNC-NRSN at Bestbuy. I'm thinking of getting two to run in Raid 1 in my old rig.
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Is this HD decent for daily use (i.e. Photo storage)?
WDBH2D0010HNC-NRSN at Bestbuy. I'm thinking of getting two to run in Raid 1 in my old rig.
That drive is fine. It's not the top performer but not bad either.
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I decided to order two WD10EZEX drives instead: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088PUEPK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0088PUEPK/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1)
Less money, better drive. Again, I'm only using these drives for storing family photos and videos on my non-gaming rig. I'll run them in RAID 1 and then back them with an external drive.
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I see some prices on vc's starting to inch down which is good. I also will be digging a little deeper into my pockets and will bump up my shopping choice for vc's from 760's cards to 770's. (The new target cost will be only 10% more than the original plan) :)
So far here's the current build list:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Not yet purchased)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card (Not yet purchased)
Case: Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Most items are already ordered however the vc is not yet ordered. Currently I have my eye on the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125463&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125463&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=)
One question is will the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 be pushing the limits on a 760 watt psu?
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One question is will the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 be pushing the limits on a 760 watt psu?
Based on http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp (http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp), no.
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I see some prices on vc's starting to inch down which is good. I also will be digging a little deeper into my pockets and will bump up my shopping choice for vc's from 760's cards to 770's. (The new target cost will be only 10% more than the original plan) :)
So far here's the current build list:
CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-UD3H ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1866 Memory
Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (Not yet purchased)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB WINDFORCE Video Card (Not yet purchased)
Case: Corsair C70 Military Green (Green) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair 760W 80+ Platinum Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply
Most items are already ordered however the vc is not yet ordered. Currently I have my eye on the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 2GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125463&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125463&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=)
One question is will the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 770 be pushing the limits on a 760 watt psu?
Kool,check the warranty on the cards before you buy 1! Some have lifetime with upgrade options,some have 3 years and most have 1 year. I think EVGA and XFX both carry lifetime warranties,however besure to check as it may not be available on every card.
I bought an XFX AMD card a couple years ago,it came with a lifetime transferable warranty! Only catch was you had to register your card to get this.
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Kool, what is the price of that 770? FYI the new 970 are out today and some of them are as inexpensive as 330$, even less if you look around, I've heard of one of the eVGA models going for 329$. This may be less than the 770 you've picked, I'm almost sure of it, and will be more powerful to boot, I'd look into it in your shoes.
See! Like I said in the first post I made here, if you waited just a couple weeks, as you did, you not only have saved $, but will gain a HUGE performance leap to boot, as I just checked that Windforce 770 and the best price on NewEgg was still 349$, and there are many 970 cards including eVGA (my personal favorite) for less than that. Save 20$, get much faster card. Well worth the wait IMO, good on you.
Also, regarding your PSU question and concern, the new 970 cards are even more power efficient than earlier cards, you'll be fine with that PSU you've selected, no problem.
IMO your system now, especially with a 970 GTX card, will last you a long, long time, in terms of keeping up with current and upcoming games. Overclock that CPU to even it's mid level and very safe potential, and same with the 970, and it'll put up some pretty impressive numbers considering the cost of what, 1100$ ish? Very cool IMO. Plus it'll look cool with one of the better cases (I have 2 myself), and be easy to move around with the big springloaded rubber handles on top.
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Thanks Gman. Looks like the low end 970's are $30 more than the 770 I was considering. That's close enough to call it a done deal. There's no promos or rebates yet, not sure if they would offer any on a new release, so I may wait another few more days and see what happens. Thanks again for the heads up Gman. :salute
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So all of the parts I ordered are in except for the GTX 970 video card which is still out of stock. Anyway I'm starting to build and will install the VC when it gets here. At the moment one concern I have is about the number of case fans I'll be using. I plan to use a total of six fans however there are only three fan headers on the MB. Before assuming it's ok to use a Y-splitter and doubling up the fans on each fan header I decided to play it safe and ask Gigabyte for their designed fan header amp ratings. They're telling me their MB fan headers are rated at 0.5 amps and as it turns out any two fans that I will use will exceed that so it looks like adding a fan controller is needed. I don't really want to connect them directly to the PS running at constant full speed all the time. Does anyone know of a good fan controller out there to use? I saw this one http://www.corsair.com/en-us/corsair-commander-mini (http://www.corsair.com/en-us/corsair-commander-mini) but I'm not sure if it's worth the added cost.Although it does look small enough to fit between the rear cover and MB back plate, and it seems to have some nice features for monitoring temps and controlling the fans. Thoughts?
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I'd rather install a 5.25" controller in the front. This one is much cheaper and doesn't rely on any software to tell you the temperatures: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811992005 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811992005). More important it's powered directly by the PSU instead of using any motherboard connector. If you only need a gadget to increase for efficiency or decrease for silence, something like this would do the trick for a reasonably low cost: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811991006 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811991006). And if you really want to take a look at a bigger variety, here's a good sortiment: http://www.xoxide.com/5fanco1.html (http://www.xoxide.com/5fanco1.html)
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The GTX 970 card arrived today so I'll be building complete tonight. :banana:
Thanks for the links Bizman, I'll check them out.
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Another controller would be http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811999171
I used it on an OC'd E8400 system that I had a couple of ATI cards running in Crossfire. It worked very well for controlling all of the fans.
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Congrats Kool, I'm happy it all worked out so well for you regarding your system buy. Now the build, it's a lot of fun, if you need help at any point, there are piles of guys here and vids on youtube.
Maybe tomorrow once you're finished and have run some games, report back with your opinion of it and how things are working. I'll bet it's going to blow you away compared to your last system.
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Kool if I can ask where did you get your GTX-970 from? I am looking but Amazon, Newegg, and Tiger direct are out.
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They're going to be hit or miss stock wise for a while I think. The three big resellers here in Canada are getting 50 or so various cards every 2 to 3 days, and selling them out in a day, then out of stock for the next 3 again. This has been the cycle since they came out. It's worse in the USA.
Memory Express in Canada has some left as of this morning, but they'll likely all be gone again by lunch time.
You'll just have to watch those US sites like a hawk for when they update with new stock if you want one, OR just pay for it and wait in line on backorder. That's how I got mine.
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That's what I figured I would have to do is wait and have patience. Which I have very little of. I am ready for the technolgy that will teleport things I buy off the internet staright to my house. :D
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Ahh! Teleporting things! You know, you can only teleport dead things like video cards. Teleporting a living thing would kill it, at least momentarily. Would the teleported one only be an image of the original? Remember, even if the teleportation was done at light speed, there'd still be moments of non-existence even in distances on Earth...
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Ahh! Teleporting things! You know, you can only teleport dead things like video cards. Teleporting a living thing would kill it, at least momentarily. Would the teleported one only be an image of the original? Remember, even if the teleportation was done at light speed, there'd still be moments of non-existence even in distances on Earth...
Sweet,that means for a monent I wouldnt have a worry in the world! Cant wait.... :devil
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Well since I have never bought a puppy off the internet not really worried about teleporting living things. If the teleporter didn't put it back together right that would be messy. :O :O. Now a graphics card would be different.
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Kool if I can ask where did you get your GTX-970 from? I am looking but Amazon, Newegg, and Tiger direct are out.
Noman, I ordered it from Amazon back on Sept. 22nd. It was out of stock at the time but they said they would send me an update with an estimated time of delivery. A day later they came up with Oct. 1st as being the delivery date. The morning of Oct. 1st I was filled with anticipation. Oh joy, a new toy, I can't wait! I got up early that morning, had a good breakfast, then read my email and barfed. Amazon's update said their delivery changed to Oct. 7th. :huh So later that night, I prayed really really hard and low and behold it showed up on my door step the next day. :banana: A miracle indeed! Amazon most likely got a shippment later that day and even though I originally selected 2-4 day delivery they shipped it via FedEx overnight anyway. Nice!
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I am lucky I live basically right next to both amazon, newegg, nzxt and madcatz (saitek). almost everything I order is over night as the airport ups, fedx and all the others use is 5 miles away :).
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I am lucky I live basically right next to both amazon, newegg, nzxt and madcatz (saitek). almost everything I order is over night as the airport ups, fedx and all the others use is 5 miles away :).
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I live in Indianapolis. We get same day delivery from both Newegg and amazon. If you order before 06:00 your item will be at your house before 15:00. We can even do food items that way on amazon here and it cheaper then walmart. crazy.... Wife ordered groceries on amazon food mart from work and they had them at the door by the time she got off work. I ordered a Turtle Beach headset and it was at my door in 5 hours. Now that was service!
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Maybe tomorrow once you're finished and have run some games, report back with your opinion of it and how things are working. I'll bet it's going to blow you away compared to your last system.
I'm very happy with how the new rig is running and it's a huge improvement over my old computer. I had a chance to play AH a few times over the weekend and I'm very impressed. Besides all the nice eye candy I get I can also see enemy dots in the distance a lot sooner now. One of my squadies used to see dots before me, now I see them before him. All the settings are now turned up to max and it's steady at 60fps 99% of the time. The 1% when it wasn't I saw it drop for a split second. The time I noticed this is when flying on the deck over a base in offline mode and the frame rate drop to 58. It was only for a split second and then it was back up to 60fps and smooth again. I haven't had time to figure out what setting may be causing this. Maybe when I have more time I'll try to figure it out but to be honest it's barely noticeable. Also, I haven't had a chance to try to repeat this in the MA but am curious to know if it would drop more at a busy base. We'll see. Anyway, AH is really the only game I'll be playing on this computer so I don't have any other games to report on, sorry. I do dabble a bit in WOT on Xbox but don't get too serious about it. The last time I played WOT on Xbox was back in August. I could load WOT on this rig and but I'm not sure if that's the kind of test/report you're looking for.
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I have a slower system than you and my fps drop to about 55 when in a cv fight with ack and dozens of cons around. that is the true test. I have no doubt that you will do fine. I play with everything on shadows at 2096 and no em. I still dont see the point of it, but it does suck up frames like crazy.
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