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Title: Scotland
Post by: Hap on September 18, 2014, 08:09:11 PM
The votes are being counted.

Though this has been in the news over the past month, today I am transfixed.

Some of this BBC vid is good.  The end, paltry.

But, here it is: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29240106 (http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29240106)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Lusche on September 18, 2014, 08:15:13 PM
And I just learned about Clackmannanshire!  :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: SmokinLoon on September 18, 2014, 08:59:17 PM
LONG LIVE THE UNITED KINGDOM!!!    :aok      :salute

Better together, I say ol' chap!     :)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on September 18, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
I'm scottish!

Independence I say

Bloody english tea-drinkers
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Fish42 on September 18, 2014, 09:42:06 PM
As much as I understand there is a regions pride involved, the fallout for the Scotts I feel, will be too much for such a small new country to handle. The Debt alone would be a big hurdle (Some sources have stated that even if the Scotts sold off all their oil reserves, it would not be enough to cover the next few years  :eek:)

From an outsiders perspective, I have not seen the scotts being oppressed or being denied benefits. I even went and read up on the dispersion of funds in the UK, and it looks like the Barnett formula gives a greater proportion of government funds to Scotland then a per head calculation would provide (this would benefits the Welsh more).

I hope for a No vote, because it feels like the best option for the Scottish people. Yes some pride will have to be swallowed, but the country will remain stable & viable.
 
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: 68ZooM on September 18, 2014, 09:48:02 PM
We all end up dead, it’s just a question of how and why. Every man dies, not every man really lives.I am William Wallace! And I see a whole army of my countrymen, here in defiance of tyranny. You’ve come to fight as free men… and free men you are. What will you do with that freedom? Will you fight?


Fight? Against that? No! We will run. And we will live.


Aye, fight and you may die. Run, and you’ll live… at least a while. And dying in your beds, many years from now, would you be willin’ to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our lives, but they’ll never take… OUR FREEDOM!
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: BoilerDown on September 18, 2014, 11:12:35 PM
Heh I'm not Scottish but I entertained myself by tweeting and posting Braveheart today.  I bet most people wondered why.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Fish42 on September 19, 2014, 12:03:23 AM
well it was over quick. No is winning by a huge margin, and Yes have lost many of their "Strong Holds".



Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: zack1234 on September 19, 2014, 12:05:42 AM
No one in England cares :)

No really no one cares in England :)

People burning the Union Jack in Scotland is a bit weird :)

They burn flags in the middle  east usually American flags :)

Scotland is awesome by the way :old:

Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: RotBaron on September 19, 2014, 12:09:39 AM
unions, benefits, holidays, social nets...what will they do when the world fixes its addiction to oil? Work  :rofl


N sea oil will fix Scotland for ~10yrs or so, what then?  Where does welfare come from?  That's rhetorical btw.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: kilo2 on September 19, 2014, 12:10:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEOOZDbMrgE

 :rofl
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: danny76 on September 19, 2014, 12:11:53 AM
People burning the flag of the country they claim benefits from should be flayed raw and tossed in sea salt.

Then deported to the Ukraine
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: zack1234 on September 19, 2014, 12:16:23 AM
I am Scottish

I would own danny in a fist fight :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: danny76 on September 19, 2014, 01:36:10 AM
I would out run Zack every day of the week, negating his single combat prowess :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Swoop on September 19, 2014, 04:04:50 AM
First of all, get it right.  Scotland is part of Great Britain, which is part of the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'.  Scotland leaving would not change the title of the country.  Frankly, I'd like Northern Ireland to rejoin the rest of Ireland so we can drop the stoopid 'Yoo Kay' title and go back to being just plain old Great Britain.  



Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: FLOOB on September 19, 2014, 05:38:08 AM
England should seek independence from the UK.

Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Swoop on September 19, 2014, 08:19:42 AM
Seconded.

That'd be awesome actually.  Leave Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to deal with their own unemployment and debt, we'd be rich!  OMG, what a genius idea!  FLOOB for Prime Minister.    :old:  Can we vote Newcastle out as well?  In fact, anywhere north of Derby, if they can't learn to speak English I say kick em out.

Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Slate on September 19, 2014, 09:34:52 AM
   Just another bunch of disgruntled Colonists!  :neener:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: BoilerDown on September 19, 2014, 10:36:16 AM
Alright your 15 minutes of fame is over, you can go back to being a funny-sounding English accent :P
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: mbailey on September 19, 2014, 10:45:51 AM
People burning the flag of the country they claim benefits from should be flayed raw and tossed in sea salt.

Then deported to the Ukraine

Wow, note to self...Keep Danny on your good side  :lol


Burning the Union Jack? Heck im an American and would have been pissed to see that....to many good people fought for those colors, side by side with my countrymen
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: BoilerDown on September 19, 2014, 11:39:48 AM
Wow, note to self...Keep Danny on your good side  :lol


Burning the Union Jack? Heck im an American and would have been pissed to see that....to many good people fought for those colors, side by side with my countrymen

Speaking of which: http://boingboing.net/2014/09/17/union-jack-flag-probably-won.html
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: zack1234 on September 19, 2014, 01:18:58 PM
Wow, note to self...Keep Danny on your good side  :lol


Burning the Union Jack? Heck im an American and would have been pissed to see that....to many good people fought for those colors, side by side with my countrymen

I would own Bailey in a fist fight as well :)

I am harder than Danny :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: mbailey on September 19, 2014, 01:20:47 PM
I would own Bailey in a fist fight as well :)

I am harder than Danny :old:

I would out run Zack every day of the week, negating his single combat prowess :old:

 :lol....I just need to out run Danny and im in good shape
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Someguy63 on September 19, 2014, 01:21:40 PM
Where are teh results?! :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: danny76 on September 19, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
Seconded.

That'd be awesome actually.  Leave Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland to deal with their own unemployment and debt, we'd be rich!  OMG, what a genius idea!  FLOOB for Prime Minister.    :old:  Can we vote Newcastle out as well?  In fact, anywhere north of Derby, if they can't learn to speak English I say kick em out.



Phew, Burton on Trent, that was a close one  :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: danny76 on September 19, 2014, 01:47:12 PM
I would own Bailey in a fist fight as well :)

I am harder than Danny :old:

Chemically induced hardness is the opiate of geriatrics
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: XxDaSTaRxx on September 19, 2014, 02:43:19 PM
Where are teh results?! :old:
3:30 AM Friday...

"No." http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/scots-will-wake-friday-either-independent-status-quo/


I hate English people
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: zack1234 on September 19, 2014, 03:40:20 PM
Yes :old:

I also hate it when you nearly sneeze :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: morfiend on September 19, 2014, 04:25:58 PM
Chemically induced hardness is the opiate of geriatrics


   Did someone say opiates....... :devil
 










   Zack tried to fight me once.......just once!


    :salute


Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: pipz on September 19, 2014, 09:43:01 PM
Canadians are gentlemen!  :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: DaveBB on September 19, 2014, 10:35:57 PM
Silly for Scotland to try to secede.  For as small as the countries are in Great Britain, they need to band together for economic and mutual support.  Just for comparison, the entirety of Great Britain is miniscule compared to the United States.  (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-EjBzwFddmUk/ThND7soIfMI/AAAAAAAAALQ/FfBm2IrkArU/s1600/uk_usa_central_extract.png)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Meatwad on September 19, 2014, 10:38:34 PM
Great now I live next to brits with their silly walks and elderberry smell
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: GScholz on September 20, 2014, 12:09:02 AM
DaveBB, you're forgetting that the UK and its member nations are also part of the European Union. If Scotland had seceded from the UK they would undoubtedly still be an EU member. And the non-EU countries (like my own) in Europe are part of the EU common marked even if they're not part of the EU political union. The EU is an economic powerhouse that rivals your own great union.

Anyways... It's a moot point.


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/10404488_934933176521086_5260793251490180312_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: zack1234 on September 20, 2014, 01:10:35 AM
Mel Gibson :rofl

Silly old fetler :rofl
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Fish42 on September 20, 2014, 01:43:17 AM
DaveBB, you're forgetting that the UK and its member nations are also part of the European Union. If Scotland had seceded from the UK they would undoubtedly still be an EU member. And the non-EU countries (like my own) in Europe are part of the EU common marked even if they're not part of the EU political union. The EU is an economic powerhouse that rivals your own great union.

Anyways... It's a moot point.


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/10404488_934933176521086_5260793251490180312_n.jpg)

I know it does not matter now, but if Scotland had left the UK it would not be automatically be part of the EU. It would have to apply to become a member, and from what I heard, some EU members were already saying that they would not accept Scotland. Some EU members were worried about promoting separatist ideals, and others feared that the Scottish economy (and all its debts) would further harm the Euro.

Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: pipz on September 20, 2014, 06:32:59 AM
Great Britain is miniscule

How dare you!  :old:
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: DaveBB on September 20, 2014, 10:43:05 AM
Here is another very interesting map, showing that individual states in the U.S. have the same GDP as entire countries.  Mind you, this map has not taken into account the enormous oil and natural gas boom that has continued to develop in the U.S.

(http://www.aei-ideas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/USmap-600x413.jpg)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: GScholz on September 20, 2014, 11:06:13 AM
That map misses the point... Each state in the USA is a country. The USA is a federal union like the EU. So is Russia btw.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Zoney on September 20, 2014, 11:17:48 AM
That map misses the point... Each state in the USA is a country. The USA is a federal union like the EU. So is Russia btw.

Not even close.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: GScholz on September 20, 2014, 12:14:11 PM
Not even close.

Yes it is.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: zack1234 on September 20, 2014, 12:28:55 PM
Why are you tormenting the colonials GS?
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Zoney on September 20, 2014, 12:49:04 PM
Why are you tormenting the colonials GS?

He's not tormenting anyone even though that seems to be his only purpose here.  I've learned a long time ago not to argue with people who act like fools.  I'm out.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: warhed on September 20, 2014, 01:01:29 PM
Is it really true in England male underwear are called "panties?"
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Swoop on September 20, 2014, 01:41:44 PM
No, those are the trophies we bring home every trip to 'Murica.  Your wimmen just love our accents.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: DaveBB on September 20, 2014, 01:43:47 PM
That map misses the point... Each state in the USA is a country. The USA is a federal union like the EU. So is Russia btw.

Each state can make its own little laws, all of which are trumped by Federal law.  But no one even gives a second thought to crossing a state's border.  You have passports and checkpoints and all that stuff in the European Union.  Plus we all speak the same language in the U.S. That's a huge difference compared to the EU right there.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Lusche on September 20, 2014, 01:56:12 PM
You have passports and checkpoints and all that stuff in the European Union.


When I get into a car and drive from here through the Netherlands and Belgium to France, I would not have to show my passport even once. I wouldn't even drive through any checkpoint at all. Our local border to the Nether lands for example is for the most part very hard to notice, it's just that suddenly the roadsigns are different ;)

But of course, all those countries are still sovereign, independent countries. There's no real EU government. And as far as i know there ain't no Texan ambassadors to to Ohio or North Caroline either. USA, as a sovereign nation is a UN member, the EU is not - because it ain't one.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: GScholz on September 20, 2014, 01:57:10 PM
Each state can make its own little laws, all of which are trumped by Federal law.  But no one even gives a second thought to crossing a state's border.  You have passports and checkpoints and all that stuff in the European Union.  Plus we all speak the same language in the U.S. That's a huge difference compared to the EU right there.

Apart from the language thing, that's completely wrong. My country is not even a member nation, only part of the European Economic Area (EEA), the economic union if you will. Still I can get in my car right now and drive from Northern Norway all the way to the boot of Italy and never have to show my passport. The EU and extended to other non member nations through the EEA provides for the free movement of goods, persons, services and capital throughout Europe. Many if not most pensioners in my country have second homes in Southern Europe to get away from the cold winters here. Spain is very popular.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area


This is essentially one market with freedom of movement for all citizens:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/European_Economic_Area_members.svg)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Saxman on September 20, 2014, 02:33:47 PM
Yes it is.

Last I checked, it's "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America."

Not "I pledge allegiance to the flag of Missouri."

So go crawl back under your bridge, troll.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: danny76 on September 20, 2014, 02:34:03 PM
No, those are the trophies we bring home every trip to 'Murica.  Your wimmen just love our accents.

 :rofl :aok
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Saxman on September 20, 2014, 02:34:47 PM
Also"

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l85/fddriver02/Random/GeordiLock.gif)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: GScholz on September 20, 2014, 02:40:37 PM
So go crawl back under your bridge, troll.

Strange that pointing out that the UNITED States of America is a federated union like the EU and Russia should be considered trolling.  :huh

Just because you are ignorant of it doesn't mean it isn't true.
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: GScholz on September 20, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
Oh... and as for borders in the USA... I recall seeing a rather amusing film years ago about smuggling beer across state borders... Apparently "Smokey" took offense to that.

(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26232318/200_s.gif)
Title: Re: Scotland
Post by: Skuzzy on September 20, 2014, 02:47:40 PM
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