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Title: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: jolly22 on September 24, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
WARNING: THIS IS A RANT POST.

Just recently, I've been having some serious issues with the Black Widows (421st).

First, I've found a spy working for them. BWRavenJ. Who belongs to BWRaven. Hitech, if there's a way to check this out, please could you prove me right or wrong.

Just tonight really ticked me off. They were flying with the bish. No big deal. BWraven shoots me down, then not even 30 seconds go by, and the BW's start hoping to Rooks. So I figured, meh, no that huge of a deal. Then, about 2 minutes later, cries on Country channel go out about a mission coming in on A122 from the BISH. They hopped countries to defend against a horde for kills. I don't agree with that. I understand a squad jumping countries once a tour, but not in the middle of a tour to defend against a raid for kills. I will be paying attention to what country they're flying for in the next few days.

<S>
JollyJR
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: 10thmd on September 24, 2014, 07:37:26 PM
I see this ending well..... IN
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: SilverZ06 on September 24, 2014, 07:40:42 PM
You might have more fun if you quit worrying about what every one else is doing and just play your own game.  :aok

p.s. That also works in the game of life.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: jolly22 on September 24, 2014, 07:45:06 PM
You might have more fun if you quit worrying about what every one else is doing and just play your own game.  :aok

p.s. That also works in the game of life.

TBH, my game in AH is doing missions. I've had an incident last week where 2 of my missions were ratted out. It's really annoying .
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Canspec on September 24, 2014, 08:10:27 PM
Yes....I don't think anyone should be allowed to change sides ever, no matter what.......... :old:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: waystin2 on September 24, 2014, 08:12:31 PM
I kill Black Widows whether they are Rook or Bishop. They are nothing to worry about.  Move on sir.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: The Fugitive on September 24, 2014, 08:13:22 PM
TBH, my game in AH is doing missions. I've had an incident last week where 2 of my missions were ratted out. It's really annoying .

Prove they were ratted out.

In most cases missions are spotted by paying attention to the map.

If your mission was spotted more than likely you didn't plan it well enough. Plan for getting spotted and take actions to cover for it. Faints, porkers running ahead, just a guy flashing a dar is enough most times to lead defenders AWAY from the main attack.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Naughty on September 24, 2014, 09:17:13 PM

    I HATE, HATE, HATE hordes. therefore MY GAME is keeping the map up and zoomed out, scanning for bases fairly close to friendly bases with a little activity, where I might be able to coax a 1v1 or 2v1 fight. Because i'm always scanning the map, I see many missions as soon as they up. I notice patterns form. an out of place darbar that many might mistake as strat runners, to me shows bombers climbing to WF a town as a mission hits.

      the point im trying to make is... before you cry SPY, take some time to "read" the map. a lot of times a mission from a certain base to another is so obvious it's a wonder they get as close as they do.

      I once noticed a big difference in "logged in" and "in flight" Rooks, along with a lack of dar bars on the map. I called out on country.. "mission inbound field XX from south"  about 20 Bish responded, headed south, and we were breaking their Dar circle right after they lifted off. It was a turkey shoot, flaming 38's and Pony's everywhere. Ofcourse 200 lit up with cries of cheating and spies.  :neener:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Kruel on September 24, 2014, 09:34:48 PM
HiTech has already stated that spying or shading is not illegal..so..they can do what they want within their 12 hour window :)
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: MrKrabs on September 24, 2014, 11:10:10 PM
 :ahand

Nuff said...
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: zack1234 on September 25, 2014, 12:04:09 AM
This is not a jolly post :rofl
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BnZs on September 25, 2014, 03:23:55 AM
They hopped countries to defend against a horde for kills.

Lack of chess piece loyalty? Fighting against a horde? Opposing the steamroller of smash and grabs? ACTUAL FLIPPIN' COMBAT IN ACES HIGH!?!?!? THE HORROR!!!! THE HORRROR!!!!
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BnZs on September 25, 2014, 03:25:21 AM
I mean really, in these days of diminished numbers and difficulties in finding fights, you are complaining because some fighting actually took place? Actually, this sort of thing is exactly why we need 1 hour switch times back.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Debrody on September 25, 2014, 04:17:52 AM
Who cares. Kill them all.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Randy1 on September 25, 2014, 06:39:26 AM
Jolly you run a good mission so don't give up on running them.  Have a contingency.

Some suggestions.  There will always be those missions that are meet with large number of reds.  I suggest you have in your thoughts the critical call for all to drop ords which is rarely done on missions.  A tough call to blow off a mission.  

If you have the numbers, have slick fighters to protect heavy fighters.  There are always those that prefer slick over heavy.  On some missions I have tried calling out a priority list of those to drop ords in case of attack.  The priority droppers would not be assigned specific targets.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: drmoo on September 25, 2014, 07:13:45 AM
 :noid OTOOBOB
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: kvuo75 on September 25, 2014, 08:17:10 AM
tired of missions getting busted? get your squad over to early war where everyone plays on the same side.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BFOOT1 on September 25, 2014, 09:23:05 AM
Wow.....IN!
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Skyyr on September 25, 2014, 09:31:01 AM
Who cares. Kill them all.

+1
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: caldera on September 25, 2014, 09:58:31 AM
Yes....I don't think anyone should be allowed to change sides ever, no matter what.......... :old:

I think everyone should be randomly assigned a country, every time they log in.   :aok
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: SilverZ06 on September 25, 2014, 10:03:36 AM
I think everyone should be randomly assigned a country, every time they log in.   :aok


I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but that is a great idea. Too many people are chess piece loyal and they really miss out on the fun of battling against your friends all while making new friends. I feel sorry for the chess piece loyal people. You are missing out on 2/3 of the community. Believe it or not there are great people on all sides.  :cheers:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Wiley on September 25, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
I think everyone should be randomly assigned a country, every time they log in.   :aok

Automatic enforced side balancing.  If they could somehow make it work with squads, that would be great.  People would hate it, but it would be great.

Wiley.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: caldera on September 25, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
I'm not sure if you are joking or not, but that is a great idea. Too many people are chess piece loyal and they really miss out on the fun of battling against your friends all while making new friends. I feel sorry for the chess piece loyal people. You are missing out on 2/3 of the community. Believe it or not there are great people on all sides.  :cheers:

I'm not joking but it will never happen.  As you said, there are too many country loyal players.  Also, the squads would all freak out if they couldn't hold hands together.

Back when my squad still had other members, it was great because we all had fun on vox while flying on separate parts of the map. 
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on September 25, 2014, 10:54:38 AM
(http://phasmatishaunt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Meanwhile-in-Russia-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: darkzking on September 25, 2014, 10:59:57 AM
im not welcomed on the bish side after my last two incidents  :airplane:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BnZs on September 25, 2014, 11:02:18 AM
The freedom of choice we used to have with switching every 1/24th of Earth's full rotation cycle would be an ideal compromise though.

I'm not joking but it will never happen.  As you said, there are too many country loyal players.  Also, the squads would all freak out if they couldn't hold hands together.

Back when my squad still had other members, it was great because we all had fun on vox while flying on separate parts of the map. 
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Randy1 on September 25, 2014, 11:16:25 AM
I think everyone should be randomly assigned a country, every time they log in.   :aok
One of the guys changed sides but everyone missed this joyful character we were glad he came back after a few days.  I like knowing a good many Rooks and would be against login country time. 

However!

Maybe at the beginning of every tour.  First balance by squadron then by independents.  Then implement base weather-ins to balance team size and number of total players.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Zerstorer on September 25, 2014, 11:39:06 AM
(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20121202205232/amazingspiez/images/8/83/Amazing_Spiez.jpg)


 :noid :noid :noid
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Zerstorer on September 25, 2014, 12:38:24 PM
...every 1/24th of Earth's full rotation cycle..

I saw what you did there!  :lol
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: darkzking on September 25, 2014, 01:21:29 PM
^ LAME

(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/20500000/Totally-Spies-totally-spies-20507997-800-600.jpg)

Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: JOACH1M on September 25, 2014, 01:34:14 PM
WARNING: THIS IS A RANT POST.

Just recently, I've been having some serious issues with the Black Widows (421st).

First, I've found a spy working for them. BWRavenJ. Who belongs to BWRaven. Hitech, if there's a way to check this out, please could you prove me right or wrong.

Just tonight really ticked me off. They were flying with the bish. No big deal. BWraven shoots me down, then not even 30 seconds go by, and the BW's start hoping to Rooks. So I figured, meh, no that huge of a deal. Then, about 2 minutes later, cries on Country channel go out about a mission coming in on A122 from the BISH. They hopped countries to defend against a horde for kills. I don't agree with that. I understand a squad jumping countries once a tour, but not in the middle of a tour to defend against a raid for kills. I will be paying attention to what country they're flying for in the next few days.

<S>
JollyJR
id do the same thing. I'm gonna kill everyone and everything that flies. If there is a horde coming ill switch and kill all of them too.

go cry somewhere else
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Latrobe on September 25, 2014, 01:39:10 PM
id do the same thing. I'm gonna kill everyone and everything that flies. If there is a horde coming ill switch and kill all of them too.

go cry somewhere else

And then I'd switch sides to the horde just so I can fight you  :devil



And then I'd killshoot myself on the greenies because I don't like them and I get bored quick.  :D
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Aspen on September 25, 2014, 01:47:27 PM
And then I'd switch sides to the horde just so I can fight you  :devil



And then I'd killshoot myself on the greenies because I don't like them and I get bored quick.  :D

My theory is that all the drama is due to a lack of Storch raids. 
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: darkzking on September 25, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
My theory is that all the drama is due to a lack of Storch raids. 

whenever my squad does storch strat raids people wont join missing out on all the fun :airplane:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: waystin2 on September 25, 2014, 01:55:31 PM
My theory is that all the drama is due to a lack of Storch raids. 

Ah, excellent mission idea for tonights activities Sir!   :aok
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Latrobe on September 25, 2014, 02:04:58 PM
My theory is that all the drama is due to a lack of Storch raids. 

Storch raids are epic and unstoppable. Storch needs to be perked.  ;)
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BowHTR on September 25, 2014, 03:35:51 PM
WARNING: THIS IS A RANT POST.

Just recently, I've been having some serious issues with the Black Widows (421st).

First, I've found a spy working for them. BWRavenJ. Who belongs to BWRaven. Hitech, if there's a way to check this out, please could you prove me right or wrong.

Just tonight really ticked me off. They were flying with the bish. No big deal. BWraven shoots me down, then not even 30 seconds go by, and the BW's start hoping to Rooks. So I figured, meh, no that huge of a deal. Then, about 2 minutes later, cries on Country channel go out about a mission coming in on A122 from the BISH. They hopped countries to defend against a horde for kills. I don't agree with that. I understand a squad jumping countries once a tour, but not in the middle of a tour to defend against a raid for kills. I will be paying attention to what country they're flying for in the next few days.

<S>
JollyJR

Spying huh! Ill have to add that to the squads resume! RavenJ or RavenJr is BWRavens 13 year old son. You can call us what you want, but we go to where the fun is. Same as in the Mid War arena. We are often found on different countries killing each other and sometimes on the same country.

If it makes it easier for you, I can start PMing you what country we are on to keep it from being such a hassle.

And defend against a horde? Khuwies mission are hardly such a thing. Bunch of folks coming in NOE and to hide a landed goon just a couple miles from town. Not hard to "spy" against the same plan that is never changed.

If you want to blame the squad, go head, but you mind as well blame me for the "spying". I made the call for my guys to switch to Rook. It was my decision.

Raven, if your reading this, let your son know his check is in the mail  :aok
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BowHTR on September 25, 2014, 03:51:28 PM
A Response from BWRaven:

Quote
To Whom it may concern, I invite HI TECH LOW TECH SIDE TECH or what tech to look at my bank statements I pay for 2 accounts one of which belongs to me and  my 13 yo SON. To Wit Jolly JR has raised allegation to wit i am more then a bit ticked off over.
1. Accusations of spying in my family are taken as serious as being called a lair in a open forum. Jolly JR where is your support
2. I demand a retraction in the same public forum to wit that you have accused me
3. I demand that you issue a public apology to my son who at 13 and sitting right next to me when it happened and I had total control of the situation
4. I pay almost 30.00 dollars a month to fly in the game and for my son and I to have father son time
5. I explained to you the situation and you chose this course now I will choose my course and you will not like it.
Defamation of character in a open forum when adequate explanation was provided is cause for myself and others to seek redress
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Zoney on September 25, 2014, 04:12:02 PM
BWRaven.  I apologize that you and your son were harrassed and exposed to such poor sportsmanship.  Please do not let the actions of this person reflect on the community as a whole.  I am very happy that you and your son choose to play here and hope you enjoy it more in the future.  It is my hope that this incident does not drive you or your son away from such a fine game that I too enjoy playing.  I am jealous that you and your son have found this little universe together and enjoy spending time with each other while playing in it.

 :salute
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: GhostCDB on September 25, 2014, 04:13:28 PM
 :rofl

Why are people in this game so upset.

Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Gman on September 25, 2014, 04:26:08 PM
Anyone want to wing up and do a Recce for the hole Jolly has crawled into?
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: matt on September 25, 2014, 04:58:57 PM
WARNING: THIS IS A RANT POST.

Just recently, I've been having some serious issues with the Black Widows (421st).

First, I've found a spy working for them. BWRavenJ. Who belongs to BWRaven. Hitech, if there's a way to check this out, please could you prove me right or wrong.

Just tonight really ticked me off. They were flying with the bish. No big deal. BWraven shoots me down, then not even 30 seconds go by, and the BW's start hoping to Rooks. So I figured, meh, no that huge of a deal. Then, about 2 minutes later, cries on Country channel go out about a mission coming in on A122 from the BISH. They hopped countries to defend against a horde for kills. I don't agree with that. I understand a squad jumping countries once a tour, but not in the middle of a tour to defend against a raid for kills. I will be paying attention to what country they're flying for in the next few days.

<S>
JollyJR
You can do what ever you want the spy part isnt right though. :headscratch:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Randy1 on September 25, 2014, 05:25:49 PM
Jolly is a good guy so y'all go easy on him.  He handles the pressure of running a mission quite well.  He often looks through the first target field and sets up a second target.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: kilz on September 25, 2014, 05:26:07 PM
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h153/cphantom2002/IMG_171870249823725.jpeg) (http://s63.photobucket.com/user/cphantom2002/media/IMG_171870249823725.jpeg.html)
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BudHeavy on September 25, 2014, 06:06:17 PM
And I read these posts expecting a discussion on the P61.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: USCH on September 25, 2014, 06:34:27 PM
AH is fun... What I do is turn off 200 fly a 109G6 or Stuka.. And don't care about anyone but green guys... Unless they are red then kill them!
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Arlo on September 25, 2014, 06:53:51 PM
Changing sides to get kills just plain sounds .....

..... like more fun for both sides.  :D :cheers:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: MrGeezer on September 25, 2014, 07:25:02 PM
I mean really, in these days of diminished numbers and difficulties in finding fights, you are complaining because some fighting actually took place? Actually, this sort of thing is exactly why we need 1 hour switch times back.

Really?  (where is that beating a dead horse graphic? I know I had one)  The same folks who continue to go on and on about the 12 hour side change are the same ones who could easily change sides "to the side with the lowest numbers for the best fights....", twice a day...and don't.   

I agree with the advice of "watch the map".  I also would go further and tell people to watch the roster.  See who actually practices what they preach.





Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Canspec on September 25, 2014, 07:51:58 PM
Storch raids are epic and unstoppable. Storch needs to be perked.  ;)

I kind of liked the RV-8 horde raids...... :old:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Naughty on September 25, 2014, 08:00:43 PM


            I like the idea of random country assignment. Based on numbers ofcourse, and Im Sure it would very simple to solve the squad issue. If you have a squady already online, you get sent to that country. If you don't, you're placed on the team with lowest number of players. THIS "CHESS PIECE LOYALTY"  HAS GOT TO END !  :old:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: kvuo75 on September 25, 2014, 08:35:21 PM
The same folks who continue to go on and on about the 12 hour side change are the same ones who could easily change sides "to the side with the lowest numbers for the best fights....", twice a day...and don't.   



do you play 12+ hour sessions? I don't.. so can't easily switch twice in a day.


Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: molybdenum on September 25, 2014, 09:31:45 PM
WARNING: THIS IS A RANT POST.

Just recently, I've been having some serious issues with the Black Widows (421st).

First, I've found a spy working for them. BWRavenJ. Who belongs to BWRaven. Hitech, if there's a way to check this out, please could you prove me right or wrong.

Just tonight really ticked me off. They were flying with the bish. No big deal. BWraven shoots me down, then not even 30 seconds go by, and the BW's start hoping to Rooks. So I figured, meh, no that huge of a deal. Then, about 2 minutes later, cries on Country channel go out about a mission coming in on A122 from the BISH. They hopped countries to defend against a horde for kills. I don't agree with that. I understand a squad jumping countries once a tour, but not in the middle of a tour to defend against a raid for kills. I will be paying attention to what country they're flying for in the next few days.

<S>
JollyJR

I also had an issue with the BWs that made me go "hmmm"--probably the same incident you're referring to, but I don't know for sure.
I was a (bish) goon for a mission to a rook base and landed my goon well outside the base dar ring with no enemy planes in icon range. 10 minutes previously the BWs had been flying for the bish. About 5 minutes after I'd landed a 262 made a beeline for my landed goon and strafed it to death. Pilot was a member of the BWs (I forget which) and I mentioned on country that it sure seemed strange, then forgot about it until now.

I agree: country hopping in order to break up missions and get easy kills is simply uncool.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Nwbie on September 25, 2014, 10:35:17 PM
One way to get it out in the open.... agree to meet in the dueling room
Fly to an agreed upon field - bail at each end of the runway and run to the middle and have a gunfight with the pistols- always was a blast and just as meaningless as the original complaining post... but a whole heck of a lot of laughs...

 :rofl

Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: rvflyer on September 25, 2014, 11:00:03 PM
A Response from BWRaven:



Just curious what would your redress be? LOL
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: rvflyer on September 25, 2014, 11:02:36 PM
do you play 12+ hour sessions? I don't.. so can't easily switch twice in a day.

Its only 1 hour in MW. If you want to change sides every hour.




Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: kvuo75 on September 26, 2014, 08:37:29 AM
nobody plays ew or mw.

I could go to ww1 also, where there's not even a 1 hour limit. you can switch at will in there.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Oldman731 on September 26, 2014, 10:19:30 AM
I could go to ww1 also, where there's not even a 1 hour limit. you can switch at will in there.


Likewise AvA.

- oldman
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Tracers on September 26, 2014, 11:44:33 AM
Mate I completely understand your frustration. Maybe 4 or 5 years ago I was flying bish and we were attacking a coastal base in a bit of a horde against a hand full of defenders. At one stage sunsfan was there attacking with us and within the same flight I shot him down as a red guy. I was like WTF? You can't just switch like that! Spy! Spy!

In reality he switched and upped to find a more challenging fight.

Now days I understand that switch and salute him for it, was just looking for a more challenging fight. Lately it's so hard to find a good fight I think I would do the same just for the fight.

 :salute Beer  :cheers:
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: BowHTR on September 26, 2014, 12:10:53 PM
I also had an issue with the BWs that made me go "hmmm"--probably the same incident you're referring to, but I don't know for sure.
I was a (bish) goon for a mission to a rook base and landed my goon well outside the base dar ring with no enemy planes in icon range. 10 minutes previously the BWs had been flying for the bish. About 5 minutes after I'd landed a 262 made a beeline for my landed goon and strafed it to death. Pilot was a member of the BWs (I forget which) and I mentioned on country that it sure seemed strange, then forgot about it until now.

I agree: country hopping in order to break up missions and get easy kills is simply uncool.

I, BWDelta, was the 262 that killed your goon. You were landed on the coast line with the town to your back. It wasn't very hard to spot you from 5K up. I have most of my settings turned down. Its pretty easy to see a plane the size of a goon sitting on the ground. Especially when your skin doesn't match your surroundings. Next you may want to try landing somewhere other than between the base you came from and the town. You were bound to be found only being about about 4-5 miles outside town. Its also kind of obvious if the whole mission comes in NOE that the goon is going to be right behind it. Or atleast expected with that mission planner.

The mission was doomed from the beginning. It went NOE to an already active base with heavy P38s. The outcome wasn't going to be pretty. Ill even bet that the mission planner didn't know that there was a Rook CV just NW of the base. There was no way that the mission was going to take that base, even if i didn't find your goon.
Title: Re: Black Widows Issue (RANT POST)
Post by: Skuzzy on September 26, 2014, 12:42:10 PM
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