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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Rob52240 on September 29, 2014, 03:25:39 AM
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I ordered this today, should I expect to run a fair amount of eye candy and still get a good frame rate?
CPU: Intel(R) Core™ i7-4790K 4.0 GHz 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1150
VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card (Maxwell)
CASE: NZXT Source 530 w/ USB 3.0, 10-port fan hub, Side-Panel Window [+39]
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
FAN: Corsair Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
CS_FAN: Enermax TB Silence UCTB14 140mm Performance Cooling with Low Noise Profile Fan [+39]
STORAGE: 256GB ADATA SP610 SSD + 2TB SATA III Hard Drive Combo [+107] (Single Drive)
MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR3/1866MHz Dual Channel Memory [+100] (ADATA XPG V2)
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z97-K ATX w/ Intel GbLAN, 2 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1, 2 PCI, 1 x M.2, 6x SATA 6Gb/s [+3]
OS: Microsoft(R) Windows 8.1 (64-bit Edition)
POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Certified Power
Internal USB 6-PORT Expansion Module [+19]
WIRELESS: 802.11b/g/n 300Mbps PCI Wireless Adapter Network Card [+26]
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I ordered this today, should I expect to run a fair amount of eye candy and still get a good frame rate?
CPU: Intel(R) Core™ i7-4790K 4.0 GHz 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1150
VIDEO: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 4GB GDDR5 PCIe 3.0 x16 Video Card (Maxwell)
CASE: NZXT Source 530 w/ USB 3.0, 10-port fan hub, Side-Panel Window [+39]
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
FAN: Corsair Hydro Series H60 High Performance Liquid Cooling System 120MM Radiator & Fan (Single Standard 120MM Fan)
CS_FAN: Enermax TB Silence UCTB14 140mm Performance Cooling with Low Noise Profile Fan [+39]
STORAGE: 256GB ADATA SP610 SSD + 2TB SATA III Hard Drive Combo [+107] (Single Drive)
MEMORY: 16GB (8GBx2) DDR3/1866MHz Dual Channel Memory [+100] (ADATA XPG V2)
MOTHERBOARD: ASUS Z97-K ATX w/ Intel GbLAN, 2 PCIe x16, 2 PCIe x1, 2 PCI, 1 x M.2, 6x SATA 6Gb/s [+3]
OS: Microsoft(R) Windows 8.1 (64-bit Edition)
POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts - Standard 80 Plus Certified Power
Internal USB 6-PORT Expansion Module [+19]
WIRELESS: 802.11b/g/n 300Mbps PCI Wireless Adapter Network Card [+26]
That system will rock as long as you used components that were approved (mainly the ram modules). If you don't plan to overclock, a 1150 Xeon can actually be cheaper than the i7. 1150 Xeons are pretty much i7:s without the integrated GPU but they can't be overclocked.
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Not going to overclock.
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Not going to overclock.
In that case you can save some money by getting a non-K model cpu or even a xeon. The K models are multiplier unlocked and carry a price premium. If you won't overclock it makes no sense paying extra for a K model.
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Got a free upgrade to the K model.
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Got a free upgrade to the K model.
Heh, that means that you're paying a lot of extra for what you're getting. Check individual component prices of your list and compare the total to the price you got offered.
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the power supply will be a cheap one, i can almost guarantee that. and I wouldnt play the game on a wireless connection.
and sorry to dissapoint you but you will be oc. ram wont run at 1866 on that motherboard without having to oc. if you dont oc it will run at 1333.
but dont worry it's really easy to oc.
semp
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the power supply will be a cheap one, i can almost guarantee that. and I wouldnt play the game on a wireless connection.
and sorry to dissapoint you but you will be oc. ram wont run at 1866 on that motherboard without having to oc. if you dont oc it will run at 1333.
but dont worry it's really easy to oc.
semp
The motherboard will (in most cases) detect the rated speed of the ram and adjust it accordingly. He doesn't usually have to raise a finger as long as the ram is tested and supported by the manufacturer of the motherboard. Even if the ram will run slower, that makes little difference. The only stupid part is that he has extra cost components for overclocking without actually needing them.
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The motherboard will (in most cases) detect the rated speed of the ram and adjust it accordingly. He doesn't usually have to raise a finger as long as the ram is tested and supported by the manufacturer of the motherboard.
oh my bad when I read the motherboard specs and it says that to get 1866 you have to oc then I misunderstood. I know you know more than the motherboard people who write the specs.
btw fun fact: what does the "(oc)" on the motherboard specs right before the supported speeds mean?
semp
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With that system, even with the pooch adata RAM and such, will run AH at max settings, with the reflections/environmental slider half way or so, and still show max FPS on whatever LCD you're using. With a similar system I've run 3 24" 1080p screens that were 144hz and would see 144fps in most instances, except over tank town when it's busy at low alt, or if I cranked the slider higher than 60 percent. That was with a 4770k cpu and a 780ti, somewhat less powerful than your system, but close enough for horse shoes/hand grenades.
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oh my bad when I read the motherboard specs and it says that to get 1866 you have to oc then I misunderstood. I know you know more than the motherboard people who write the specs.
btw fun fact: what does the "(oc)" on the motherboard specs right before the supported speeds mean?
semp
He doesn't have to OC. The motherboard will adjust the ram speed automatically.
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He doesn't have to OC. The motherboard will adjust the ram speed automatically.
from their website
"DDR3 3200(OC)/3100(OC)/3000(OC)/2933(OC)/2800(OC)/2666(OC)/2600(OC)/2500(OC)/2400(OC)/2200(OC)/2133(OC)/2000(OC)/1866(OC)/1800(OC)/1600/1333"
semp
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from their website
"DDR3 3200(OC)/3100(OC)/3000(OC)/2933(OC)/2800(OC)/2666(OC)/2600(OC)/2500(OC)/2400(OC)/2200(OC)/2133(OC)/2000(OC)/1866(OC)/1800(OC)/1600/1333"
semp
He still doesn't have to OC. His motherboard will probably just set it to 1600 if it can't set 'out of spec' settings automatically.
The default 'EZ' settings seem to detect the ram fine and setting your 'EZ' setting to 'performance' should optimize everything for regular users. Ram sticks have a thing called X.M.P profile which can be enabled for automatic memory settings.
(http://i2.wp.com/www.play3r.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/140607183838.jpg?fit=670%2C1024)
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He still doesn't have to OC. His motherboard will probably just set it to 1600 if it can't set 'out of spec' settings automatically.
The default 'EZ' settings seem to detect the ram fine and setting your 'EZ' setting to 'performance' should optimize everything for regular users. Ram sticks have a thing called X.M.P profile which can be enabled for automatic memory settings.
(http://i2.wp.com/www.play3r.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/140607183838.jpg?fit=670%2C1024)
I have an asus mobo. I had to oc the ram to make it run at 1866. of course you can use utilities to set up some things but that is still "oc". after all that is what the xmp profile does :salute.
semp
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I have an asus mobo. I had to oc the ram to make it run at 1866. of course you can use utilities to set up some things but that is still "oc". after all that is what the xmp profile does :salute.
semp
Yep but he doesn't _have to_ OC. He can keep the fail safe defaults and that won't hurt his performance much at all. Ram speed differences are very marginal in benchmarks.
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So to sum up, where it says XMP disabled in the pic... he just has to enable XMP and it will run at the higher settings. You can argue if extreme memory performance means it's OC'd or not.
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Why do you two hijack every thread that someone asks for advise and argue about who knows more?? Your expertise is valued but damnnn.
Just sayin
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Thanks guys.
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Why do you two hijack every thread that someone asks for advise and argue about who knows more?? Your expertise is valued but damnnn.
Just sayin
it isnt about who knows more. for example if you look at the specs of the mobo he's buying. here's the memory specs
DDR3 3200(OC)/3100(OC)/3000(OC)/2933(OC)/2800(OC)/2666(OC)/2600(OC)/2500(OC)/2400(OC)/2200(OC)/2133(OC)/2000(OC)/1866(OC)/1800(OC)/1600/1333
notice the oc right before the 1866. that means you must overclock. the default for most mobo's will be around 1333. you can always go to the bios and adjust the timing and memory speed. not a bid deal and it's pretty safe. heck I oc my computer when I didnt even know what a mobo looked like. mobo's now a days will refuse to boot if you mess up your oc and all you have to do is reset it. most mobo's have a button or just a matter of removing the battery.
some mobo's have built in software that will oc your computer from within windows. or oc your ram. heck you can even oc your video card if you want. but most people suggest that if you are going to oc, the best way is to do it in bios. and it isnt hard to do. it doesnt require a rocket scientist.
I oc my 2500k cpu to 4.5 which is an insane amount. and my mobo comes with a button that you just push and it will oc by 20%. you can argue and it is true that it will shorten the lifespan of your cpu. then again my cpu has been around for a couple of years with no problems.
currently I dont oc my cpu as I dont really see the point as it plays fine with my evga 770 vc, however I must oc my ram as it is 1866 and the default for my mobo is 1333.
but if you dont believe me then go ahead and install your ram and see if your mobo will (in most cases according to ripley) adjust the timings and speed without lifting a finger.
if you due it from withing windows as ripley posted or do it in bios, it is still oc your ram.
semp
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if you due it from withing windows as ripley posted or do it in bios, it is still oc your ram.
semp
I believe the image was actually directly from the UEFI bios screen. They are more advanced now than they used to be. Mouse support and all.
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Yes, but if the motherboard does not recognize the memory profile then it will not automatically overclock, and the use of the word 'automatically' is a misnomer anyway. I think the highest non-overclock for any motherboard is 1600 currently, and most overclocks give less of a scaling than the SLI Ripley is always preaching about. Also, I think most motherboards cannot use the XMP profile if more than their 'standard' slot count is used.
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Yes, but if the motherboard does not recognize the memory profile then it will not automatically overclock, and the use of the word 'automatically' is a misnomer anyway. I think the highest non-overclock for any motherboard is 1600 currently, and most overclocks give less of a scaling than the SLI Ripley is always preaching about. Also, I think most motherboards cannot use the XMP profile if more than their 'standard' slot count is used.
As I said he doesn't need to overclock the system will run just fine using the fail safe defaults. It's obvious that the OP could have got the same computer much cheaper if his plan is not to overclock in the first place.