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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on October 16, 2014, 05:48:34 AM
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Remember when GM and Detroit scoffed at Japanese cars? (We saw how that played out.) Will Boeing and Seattle do the same thing? I give you the Mitsubishi Regional Jet. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/first-japan-passenger-jet-4-decades-rolling-050153752.html)
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Cn1SNZ490VKGC3HSwhjutA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY3NztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/319918d8b384a628620f6a706700389f.jpg)
Will Ripsnort play the Michael Keaton or Clint Howard role in the updated version of Gung Ho? ;)
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A bigger threat...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919
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A bigger threat...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919
Does it include lead based paint too?
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A bigger threat...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comac_C919
They'll need to do much, much better on quality than usually found in China or former East Bloc nations for it to be a threat. I don't know if the Mitsubishi jet will have the quality or the price to compete, but the Japanese are one of the nations able to produce high quality, high tech products.
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They'll need to do much, much better on quality than usually found in China or former East Bloc nations for it to be a threat. I don't know if the Mitsubishi jet will have the quality or the price to compete, but the Japanese are one of the nations able to produce high quality, high tech products.
:airplane: Unfortunately, what is going to determine its viability as a threat to other manufactures is the cost per seat mile operating costs....I wish they would put quality of the product first, but it hadn't been that way so far!
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The Mitsubishi is a 76 seat regional jet. It is not much of a threat to Boeing or Airbus. However Comac is developing three jets, C219, C229 and C239 that will carry from 170-400 passengers. They will be competing directly with the biggest sellers from Boeing and Airbus. The Chinese airlines rival the American in fleet size and are currently operating Boeing and Airbus aircraft. When the state-owned Chinese airlines are ordered by the state to buy from Comac it will be as large a loss for Boeing and Airbus as if all American airlines suddenly dropped them as customers. Also, Irish airline Ryanair has already signed a deal with Comac, and the prototype has not even flown yet...
As for quality, the Chinese are license producing Airbus A320's. From what I've seen the Comac C200 series is basically a A320 copy.
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The Mitsubishi is a 76 seat regional jet. It is not much of a threat to Boeing or Airbus. However Comac is developing three jets, C219, C229 and C239 that will carry from 170-400 passengers. They will be competing directly with the biggest sellers from Boeing and Airbus. The Chinese airlines rival the American in fleet size and are currently operating Boeing and Airbus aircraft. When the state-owned Chinese airlines are ordered by the state to buy from Comac it will be as large a loss for Boeing and Airbus as if all American airlines suddenly dropped them as customers. Also, Irish airline Ryanair has already signed a deal with Comac, and the prototype has not even flown yet...
As for quality, the Chinese are license producing Airbus A320's. From what I've seen the Comac C200 series is basically a A320 copy.
Quality will be the determining factor with the Chinese jet. It is a know fact that quota fills are more important than quality in a communist country.
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They're not communist anymore. They're fascist. And regardless of quality the Chinese airlines will be ordered by their government and owners to drop Boeing and Airbus in favor of Comac.
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Remember when GM and Detroit scoffed at Japanese cars? (We saw how that played out.) Will Boeing and Seattle do the same thing? I give you the Mitsubishi Regional Jet. (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/first-japan-passenger-jet-4-decades-rolling-050153752.html)
(http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/Cn1SNZ490VKGC3HSwhjutA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTY3NztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz05NjA-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/319918d8b384a628620f6a706700389f.jpg)
Will Ripsnort play the Michael Keaton or Clint Howard role in the updated version of Gung Ho? ;)
Embraer will bury them with the enhanced 190/195 series.
If Bombardier gets their C-Series to work the market will be saturated I would think...
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A couple of years ago Chinese cars failed all crash safety tests. This year their new model passed with 5 stars. Don't underestimate them.
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Quality will be the determining factor with the Chinese jet. It is a know fact that quota fills are more important than quality in a communist country.
You actually think the Chinese will be meeting Quota fills on a Jet plane?.
Do you actually believe US investment companies will not be investing your pension funds contributions into the Chinese industry?.
Why do you think the Japanese are in fear of the Chinese, they will become the new Japan in the far east
This is why the Western world is on the decline, these outdated world views and inability to change :)
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I recall the words of chinese minister of commerce in 2005...
"Because of the low profit margins of Chinese textile products, China needs to export 800 million shirts in order to buy one Airbus A380" (http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/GE07Ad03.html)
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5 years ago Chinese motorcycles and scooters were complete piles of crap. Today Chinese motorcycles and scooters are complete piles of crap.
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5 years ago any Chinese product were complete piles of crap. Today any Chinese product are complete piles of crap.
Fixed
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Incredible how shortsighted some people are. The Chinese are not; they think long term. Always have.
Remember when GM and Detroit scoffed at Japanese cars?
Indeed.
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Incredible how shortsighted some people are. The Chinese are not; they think long term. Always have.
I can remember people saying the same thing about the Japanese in the late 80s.
Until the bubble burst - Nikkei's still somewhere about 1/3 of its historic peak.
I suppose the Chinese may eventually get it right, but currently not even the Chinese trust Chinese manufacturing - there's a booming business down here whereby immigrants ship entire caseloads of baby formula to relatives back home. A lot of supermarkets have had to put limits on the amount any one customer can buy, as locals couldn't find any on the shelves.
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As for quality, the Chinese are license producing Airbus A320's. From what I've seen the Comac C200 series is basically a A320 copy.
I was thinking the same thing -- just wondering if it was Boeing or Airbus from whom they stole the design.