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Title: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Nypsy on October 20, 2014, 06:26:28 AM
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/this-p-51-mustang-restoration-includes-operational-50c-1647964258/1648063530/+Kyosuke

Pretty cool.
We make the head space gages for the M2 where I work and sell them to General Dynamics who has the contract for refurbishing all the M2's in U.S. service.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: SilverZ06 on October 20, 2014, 08:09:30 AM
That is pretty cool.  I am honestly surprised they are allowing a private aircraft to be fitted with working guns.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: puller on October 20, 2014, 09:05:05 AM
 :aok
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Gman on October 20, 2014, 10:48:20 AM
It's not the first that has had live 50s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJ82YCiuYU
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Nypsy on October 20, 2014, 11:04:39 AM
It's not the first that has had live 50s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJ82YCiuYU

I believe they are the same plane??
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: SilverZ06 on October 20, 2014, 11:17:27 AM
I believe they are the same plane??
you believe correctly.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 20, 2014, 12:08:57 PM
Nasty history though, a pilot killed crashing it.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Vraciu on October 20, 2014, 12:26:54 PM
That is pretty cool.  I am honestly surprised they are allowing a private aircraft to be fitted with working guns.

I am surprised but not upset or worried....

Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Rob52240 on October 20, 2014, 12:32:31 PM
Why would someone with a class 3 FFL NOT be allowed to do this?
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: SilverZ06 on October 20, 2014, 12:32:56 PM
Saw this on the website. quoted from an EAA article,
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But the guns you see here in Twilight Tear's wings are not the real ones. ATF rules are much stricter once the airplane leaves the ground. So studmuffinen has aluminum replica Brownings installed in the wings, and the real .50 calibers stayed home in Minnesota under lock and key.

lol! the BBS changed the guys name to studmuffinen.  :lol :lol
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Vraciu on October 20, 2014, 02:02:19 PM
Why would someone with a class 3 FFL NOT be allowed to do this?

Exactly.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: guncrasher on October 20, 2014, 02:16:59 PM
Why would someone with a class 3 FFL NOT be allowed to do this?

well if he had fully functional mgs on all the time something like this could happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EodoCA80V1g



semp
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: 800nate800 on October 20, 2014, 04:08:46 PM
well if he had fully functional mgs on all the time something like this could happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EodoCA80V1g



semp
ANG would shoot him down im sure.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Nath[BDP] on October 20, 2014, 04:41:09 PM
any 109s with taters?
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Gman on October 20, 2014, 05:09:08 PM
Semp, as an o/t, a friend of mine, Dave DeHann (Dave Youngblood that owns DYE Paintball products) was the officer who stopped this guy in the tank finally.  He was a reserve officer with San Diego PD, and he and his training officer were the guys that climbed up on the tank when it got stuck.  Coincidentally, Dave is an owner and flier of Warbird aircraft.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Serenity on October 20, 2014, 05:12:11 PM
How do people come by this kind of money?! Man, what I wouldn't give to own/fly one of these one day, but I just cannot imagine ever having the money to do so...
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Slash27 on October 20, 2014, 05:54:33 PM
well if he had fully functional mgs on all the time something like this could happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EodoCA80V1g



semp
Better ban everything.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Vraciu on October 20, 2014, 07:24:44 PM
well if he had fully functional mgs on all the time something like this could happen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EodoCA80V1g



semp


Yeah, and he could also just crash it into a building.  Or steal an A-10 with live bombs like Craig Button did.

So let's ban everything and wrap everyone in bubblewrap.

We could live in white padded rooms like THX-1168 or whatever it was called.

 :rolleyes:

No thanks, I'll take my freedom.  Besides, "THE GRAY EAGLES" (Duane Unkefer) is only a novel...but the good guys still shoot down the bad guys.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: guncrasher on October 20, 2014, 08:14:59 PM

Yeah, and he could also just crash it into a building.  Or steal an A-10 with live bombs like Craig Button did.

So let's ban everything and wrap everyone in bubblewrap.

We could live in white padded rooms like THX-1168 or whatever it was called.

 :rolleyes:

No thanks, I'll take my freedom.  Besides, "THE GRAY EAGLES" (Duane Unkefer) is only a novel...but the good guys still shoot down the bad guys.


Craig button didnt break into an airforce base and stole an a10.  he was on a training mission when most likely he decided to kill himself, nobody really knows what happened.

but cool as it sounds to have a fully armed pony, there's no real reason for a civilian to fly an aircraft with fully functional mgs.  that's what I think anyway.

but you are assuming that I am talking about not having guns, well considering that I own a couple myself.  and I have never read the gray eagles, so not sure what that is all about.

semp
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Nath[BDP] on October 20, 2014, 08:40:28 PM
How do people come by this kind of money?! Man, what I wouldn't give to own/fly one of these one day, but I just cannot imagine ever having the money to do so...

the rich get richer
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Vraciu on October 20, 2014, 10:01:46 PM
Craig button didnt break into an airforce base and stole an a10.  he was on a training mission when most likely he decided to kill himself, nobody really knows what happened.

but cool as it sounds to have a fully armed pony, there's no real reason for a civilian to fly an aircraft with fully functional mgs.  that's what I think anyway.

but you are assuming that I am talking about not having guns, well considering that I own a couple myself.  and I have never read the gray eagles, so not sure what that is all about.

semp


If you can't trust a law abiding caretaker of a precious airplane like a Mustang.....what does it say when you trust an Air Force officer who was capable of doing far far worse?
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: guncrasher on October 20, 2014, 11:06:15 PM

If you can't trust a law abiding caretaker of a precious airplane like a Mustang.....what does it say when you trust an Air Force officer who was capable of doing far far worse?

sorry english is my second language so I have no idea what you are asking me here.


semp
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Vraciu on October 20, 2014, 11:09:13 PM
sorry english is my second language so I have no idea what you are asking me here.


semp


If you can't trust a guy like the owner of the Mustang, who can you trust?


We trusted an Air Force officer who could have done far worse.


In the end, it seems people are willing to put more trust in one person vs another based simply upon the clothes they wear (a uniform vs not).


See what I mean?
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Rob52240 on October 20, 2014, 11:33:40 PM
Craig button didnt break into an airforce base and stole an a10.  he was on a training mission when most likely he decided to kill himself, nobody really knows what happened.

but cool as it sounds to have a fully armed pony, there's no real reason for a civilian to fly an aircraft with fully functional mgs.  that's what I think anyway.

but you are assuming that I am talking about not having guns, well considering that I own a couple myself.  and I have never read the gray eagles, so not sure what that is all about.

semp

Last time I checked, we aren't quite to the point of having to justify a need to our government before being able to own something.  We also have a civil right to keep and bear arms, the words "shall not be infringed" are also included in the 2nd amendment.

Your mindset is fundamentally flawed on this one semp.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: guncrasher on October 21, 2014, 02:05:24 AM
rob,

I never question him owning the mgs themselves.  and I would never question that.  for one I believe in the second amendment just as much as you do.  Like i said, I own a couple of guns myself.

semp



Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: Rob52240 on October 21, 2014, 03:13:41 AM
Sorry semp.  I'm overly sensitive when it comes to restrictions.
Title: Re: P-51 restoration includes operational .50 cals
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on October 21, 2014, 10:49:33 AM
but cool as it sounds to have a fully armed pony, there's no real reason for a civilian to fly an aircraft with fully functional mgs.  that's what I think anyway.

But then only criminals will have guns in their planes. If every civilian is allowed to carry a sidearm on the streets why not planes?