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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: tunnelrat on October 23, 2014, 09:56:35 AM
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(Please read the entirety of what I am saying before the -1 storm)
CV fights. The stuff of legends. Sometimes.
Depending on how fast the fun police level-bomb the carrier back into the stone-age, there is one other thing that kind of ruins a good CV fight... taking carrier planes up against the inevitable swarm of Spixteens, La-7s, etc...
I don't mind fighting those fighters... the problem is that they don't really want to fight.
So what, on the carrier, can compete? Perfomance wise, at carrier fight alts? Only the dashfour can compete with the La-7...
So, my ill-conceived flamebait wish?
Unperk the F4U-4 (give it an incredibly low ENY), remove the ordnance capabilities so it doesn't just become an uncatchable bombtruck, and limit it to ONLY CV use.
(For what it's worth, I don't at all even want to fly it, it would just make the fights more fun if I had allies capable of running the Lalas down)
Okay, fire away.
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I wouldn't see any problem with reducing the perks for one with NO ords. Kind of like the T34/85 or M18's (1 or 2 perks) then bump it up when Ords are used, to where it stands now. :)
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+1 :aok
Just for carrier ops though...leave it perked as it is for land bases
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or perk the la7 :uhoh :bolt:
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or perk the la7 :uhoh :bolt:
I'm 100% down with this.
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So your real wish is "I wish I could kill LA7's" go ahead we all know that is what your really trying to say. :devil
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Why not just wish for the F8? Roughly the same time frame and frequency of being in it's ww2 general area of operations as the La7 with three B-20. La7 was flown with two ShVAK.
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or perk the la7 :uhoh :bolt:
To be honest,of all the fast birds,the LA7 is the one that runs the least.
Most LA pilots do not suffer from spine degeneration like the p51/190 guys do,they are actually willing to mix it up in it.
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To be honest,of all the fast birds,the LA7 is the one that runs the least.
Most LA pilots do not suffer from spine degeneration like the p51/190 guys do,they are actually willing to mix it up in it.
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They tend to handle better than 190's and have more capabilities than the average 51 pilot could ever put his craft's abilities to use.
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It's not your life you risk while flying the F4U4, just some perks.
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Above 9k, all F4U's outperform the LA. So -1 to the reasoning behind the request.
That said, I'd like to see it unperked as it's not that great of a fighter to begin with.
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That said, I'd like to see it unperked as it's not that great of a fighter to begin with.
Not true.
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The great cv fights with 1cs and -4 usually end up with them spiral climbing around their ack to 10k before picking uppers off a base, and if you go after them puffy gets you.
So -1, we don't need more of those pilots :neener:
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hate to break it to you guys but u dont need a -4 to kill LA7s when u can up a wildcat (not the noob Fm2)
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So your real wish is "I wish I could kill LA7's" go ahead we all know that is what your really trying to say. :devil
Hahahahahahaha yes... I upped an F4F-4, and it was almost like the La-7s were 100mph faster on the deck.
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Not true.
Maybe not from a turnfighter's perspective.
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Did someone say Dash One (-1) :t
(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/F4U1-LA7_zps4d378a88.jpg)
(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/F4U1-TA152_zpsc096e27e.jpg)
(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/F4U1-F4U4_zpsaa73edb6.png)
(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r561/folanjohnp1/F4U1-KI84_zps5632fd6d.jpg)
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Maybe not from a turnfighter's perspective.
It is also good at E fighting, diving, and stall fighting, I believe you're underestimating the aircraft.
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It is also good at E fighting, diving, and stall fighting, I believe you're underestimating the aircraft.
"Good at e-fighting" does not mean being good at BnZ when you have airspeed - ANY plane can be good at that, the faster they are the better. That's nothing unique to the F4U-4.
Being good at E-fighting requires obtaining and retaining an energy advantage when starting from a co-energy state (i.e. same alt, both planes at cruising speed). In that light, in a co-E situation, it's a poor performer. All of the F4U's are mediocre at E fighting. The -4 does it best, but it's still lacking and will readily be beaten by the D9, TA-152, P-51, LA-7, K4, Ki-84, and many others in an even E-fight.
The -4 is a turnfighter that happens to have high cruising speed and decent climb rate. This allows it to hang with E fighters initially, and then transition to a turn fight as entropy ensues the E states. However, it will still readily be beaten by most pure E fighters starting from a co-E state who know how to avoid the turn fight, as it cannot retain the E advantage.
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To be honest,of all the fast birds,the LA7 is the one that runs the least.
Most LA pilots do not suffer from spine degeneration like the p51/190 guys do,they are actually willing to mix it up in it.
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The lala can turn. The other two really can't.
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Above 9k, all F4U's outperform the LA. So -1 to the reasoning behind the request.
That said, I'd like to see it unperked as it's not that great of a fighter to begin with.
That's not what you say when you beat someone who is flying one. :rofl
I do agree that it is overrated, though. I find it squirrelly and relatively short-legged. Not my fav Hawg by any means. If it gets unperked the only real losers may be pony drivers like me, and we are hated any way, so why not?
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Maybe not from a turnfighter's perspective.
It isn't a great turner either best I can tell. What did I miss?
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It perk price isn't warranted at the Typical AH altitudes, Bring it to 20k and very few planes can touch it. Even the planes that do Outperform the -4 at higher alts can not at the lower altitudes.
In reality the -1 is the one that should be perked. No plane should look that good and not have a price tag.
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"Good at e-fighting" does not mean being good at BnZ when you have airspeed - ANY plane can be good at that, the faster they are the better. That's nothing unique to the F4U-4.
Being good at E-fighting requires obtaining and retaining an energy advantage when starting from a co-energy state (i.e. same alt, both planes at cruising speed). In that light, in a co-E situation, it's a poor performer. All of the F4U's are mediocre at E fighting. The -4 does it best, but it's still lacking and will readily be beaten by the D9, TA-152, P-51, LA-7, K4, Ki-84, and many others in an even E-fight.
The -4 is a turnfighter that happens to have high cruising speed and decent climb rate. This allows it to hang with E fighters initially, and then transition to a turn fight as entropy ensues the E states. However, it will still readily be beaten by most pure E fighters starting from a co-E state who know how to avoid the turn fight, as it cannot retain the E advantage.
Why did you jump to BnZ? I never said that, by E fighting I meant the one you end up describing.
And the -4 is easily capable of handling an E fighter, I'm not sure if you have stated this based on MA experience, but a -4 in good hands can do so, and whatever you may see in the MA, they are usually piloted by people that don't know how to use that capability to its advantage.
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In reality the -1 is the one that should be perked. No plane should look that good and not have a price tag.
:rofl :aok
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And the -4 is easily capable of handling an E fighter, I'm not sure if you have stated this based on MA experience, but a -4 in good hands can do so, and whatever you may see in the MA, they are usually piloted by people that don't know how to use that capability to its advantage.
Hmmmm... this sounds like a fun challenge. You up for some DA time, then? Your -4 vs my aircraft?
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Why would you want the 4 model when you have 1A.
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Why would you want the 4 model when you have 1A.
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1A is for noobs. Birdcage Corsair reigns supreme!
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So what, on the carrier, can compete? Perfomance wise, at carrier fight alts? Only the dashfour can compete with the La-7...
So, now the F4U-1A is a second rate fighter?
And your answer to the La-7 is to unleash a new monster, even worse than the La7?
No thank you.
Some of us like to fly planes that actually made a difference in WWII. We already have P47M as the most common Jug and 3-cannon La7s as the standard Lala. The last thing we need is that the standard F4U will be the -4, which is (AFAIK) the last plane to enter service of the AH set. If that happens, HTC may as well add the F8F bearcat, DH Hornet, and Yak3P, and we will have a 1946 arena.
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So, now the F4U-1A is a second rate fighter?
And your answer to the La-7 is to unleash a new monster, even worse than the La7?
No thank you.
Some of us like to fly planes that actually made a difference in WWII. We already have P47M as the most common Jug and 3-cannon La7s as the standard Lala. The last thing we need is that the standard F4U will be the -4, which is (AFAIK) the last plane to enter service of the AH set. If that happens, HTC may as well add the F8F bearcat, DH Hornet, and Yak3P, and we will have a 1946 arena.
Will I get my flying wing and Ta-183 :D
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Hmmmm... this sounds like a fun challenge. You up for some DA time, then? Your -4 vs my aircraft?
Lol I don't fly -4 them enough to handle it well, it's not my craft. Best to find a hog dweeb to fight, I'm no where near one of them.
Come on.
109 dweeb I am.
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Right. Make the best prop fighter in the game free? Nope. Not gonna happen.
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So, now the F4U-1A is a second rate fighter?
And your answer to the La-7 is to unleash a new monster, even worse than the La7?
No thank you.
Some of us like to fly planes that actually made a difference in WWII. We already have P47M as the most common Jug and 3-cannon La7s as the standard Lala. The last thing we need is that the standard F4U will be the -4, which is (AFAIK) the last plane to enter service of the AH set. If that happens, HTC may as well add the F8F bearcat, DH Hornet, and Yak3P, and we will have a 1946 arena.
hmmmmm. De-Havilland Hornet... Drool
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Problem is imo in the way CV:s are used. when u are running them all the way up on the shore they become very vulnerable. Especially when there is no cap over them to prevent bombers from going in. A real world CV would see the same faith. After all, the Japanese navy carriers where defeated by SBD:s. Keep CV away from shore and they live longer. More F4U-4:s will not change that much.
The ability to launch LVT:s should not be dependant on how close CV is to shore, adding some sort of "landing fleet" should make a lot fore the CV:s abillity to survive. Maybe some destroyers escorting a few transport ships that LVT:s are launched from.
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Zimme I have made a thread about that months ago, for us to have different types of cv groups for a more integrated gameplay.
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Zimme I have made a thread about that months ago, for us to have different types of cv groups for a more integrated gameplay.
There is a problem with just adding new content. It is will the players use it? We have formations and a way to lock them together for better carpet bombing. Do we see that? No we see noe lancs dive bombing targets.
Randy has his thread about ENY. I think what he's shooting for is having players forced into flying 2nd and 3rd tier planes by the end of the month instead of seeing the same old late war monsters.
Giving players more options doesn't always work out like you think it might. Why spend more time making cv operations different/more realistic if all they do is the same old beach the cv and hope the lvts get the capture before the cv is sunk.
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There is a problem with just adding new content. It is will the players use it? We have formations and a way to lock them together for better carpet bombing. Do we see that?
The problem is there aren't any area targets which would require this method or even benefit considerably by it. The single factories out there are small enough to be smashed by single bombers. A single B-29 formation can even get the City down to 40%
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To be honest,of all the fast birds,the LA7 is the one that runs the least.
Most LA pilots do not suffer from spine degeneration like the p51/190 guys do,they are actually willing to mix it up in it.
They would if the La carried enough fuel to go anywhere.
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Above 9k, all F4U's outperform the LA. So -1 to the reasoning behind the request.
That said, I'd like to see it unperked as it's not that great of a fighter to begin with.
Best prop fighter in game.