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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Randy1 on November 07, 2014, 09:35:09 AM
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I was doing a bit of P-38 reading and came across skip bombing. It is a term I had heard before but not in the context of AH.
Can you skip bomb in AH?
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Not as far as I know. I put it on the wish list awhile ago.
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What's the purpose of skip bombing? I've heard of it, but don't know much about it. Wouldn't it be just as easy to drop an explosive bomb on them..?
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What's the purpose of skip bombing? I've heard of it, but don't know much about it. Wouldn't it be just as easy to drop an explosive bomb on them..?
Dams, hulls of ships, other things.
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What's the purpose of skip bombing? I've heard of it, but don't know much about it. Wouldn't it be just as easy to drop an explosive bomb on them..?
Think about trying to destroy an enemy Dam.
What is the easier target to hit? The relatively small target that is the thin top edge of the concrete/earthwork - or the broad full face of the target? Skip bombing also allowed for raiders to approach targets at wave top levels thus avoiding enemy CAP and reducing the time exposed to enemy A/A fire.
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But we don't have dams...
And I don't feel skip bombing would be very accurate in an NOE situation.
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But we don't have dams...
And I don't feel skip bombing would be very accurate in an NOE situation.
You asked what the purpose was.
Your 'feelings' on the accuracy and success of NOE skip raids in WWII are in error. Tell me how you would skip a bomb if you dropped it at alt?
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You asked what the purpose was.
Your 'feelings' on the accuracy and success of NOE skip raids in WWII are in error. Tell me how you would skip a bomb if you dropped it at alt?
You wouldn't. That's my point. We don't have many uses at all for skip bombing. I think it COULD be added at some point once we get more strategic points in the game (ie: Dams) . You would use regualr HE bombs.
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As best I can recall skip bombing was used in the pacific against shipping. The technique was to fly at mast head height and drop the bomb so that it would hit the water before the ship and skip along into the side. It makes it easier to hit the target than dive bombing. You can kind of toss bombs in ah but the fuses are either contact or unarmed so you can't slide them along the ground till they hit something. I remember some mossie pilot talking about a mission where they tossed/skipped bombs into a train tunnel.
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The idea of skip bombing is to come in at low alt and drop bomb with while exposing oneself to minimal AA. For Dam busting you actually want to skip the bomb against the dam and have it sink before blowing up. That way you get a more consusive explosion against the damn.
I believe there was a instance when they skipped bombs into San Narcell sub pens destroying some sub.
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But we don't have dams...
And I don't feel skip bombing would be very accurate in an NOE situation.
Skip bombing was accurate, especially against shipping until masthead bombing proved to be more effective and accurate in bombing ships. Skip bombing wasn't just limited to being used against maritime targets, skip bombing was also used against land targets.
Unfortunately, we won't be able to use skip or masthead bombing techniques until we have the ability to set fuse delay.
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Unfortunately, we won't be able to use skip or masthead bombing techniques until we have the ability to set fuse delay.
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It was in Warbirds when I was there. The gamey BS it generates outweighs the upside, believe me.
Wiley.
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So what would be the difference between skip bombing and torps in AH?
About how far out would you have to be from the ship to release the skip bombs? The ack is so accurate in this game, the fighters that could do skip bombing wouldn't even make it in no?
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So what would be the difference between skip bombing and torps in AH?
About how far out would you have to be from the ship to release the skip bombs? The ack is so accurate in this game, the fighters that could do skip bombing wouldn't even make it in no?
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It all depends on the aircraft speed. I don't think u could drop it at more than 275. Due to the fact that it would bounce back up into the aircraft
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The closest we have to masthead and skip bombing is popup fling bombing. Airjer is a master at it with B26 against CV. He comes in NOE at speed. Then about 1000yds out pops up and releases his load from all three bombers. Between his speed and the trajectory he satisfies the current fuse run distance for the bombs.
You can do something similar which was used by A20 and B25 in the PTO. The target would be approached at 1500-2000ft at speed. 5000-6000yds out the A20 would shallow dive to 800-1000ft, then level bomb at speed. In our A20 I push the gunsight all the way down touching the bottom of the windscreen. Something about that orientation made judging the release point just as the gusnight bottom touched the target the most effective.
You can test this offline using the lead computing dive bombing sight. If you are attacking GV, which you can set as one of your drones, use only the bomb bay bombs. It is a bite trying to favor one wing over the other in that attack profile for something as small as a GV.
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In the article I was reading, the Germans had floating ack barges that they moved around to make it hard to find and destroy the barges. When they found them, they tried skip bombing but the ak fire from the barges was heavy I guess like trying to kill a B17 from its 6. The P-38s successfully sank the barges by dive bombing them instead of skip bombing.
From what I have read the fuse delay was the secret to a good skip bomb run.
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This is the USAAF report on the Battle of the Bismarck Sea on the use of skip bombing and masthead bombing. One interesting note on the report, it also comments on the accuracy of heavy bombers (B-17s) in targeting Japanese maritime targets during the battle.
USPF Report Of Mastead Bombing (South West Pacific Area) May 26, 1943 (http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Aircraft/1943TacticalBulletins/3-43_MastheadBombing.html)
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It was in Warbirds when I was there. The gamey BS it generates outweighs the upside, believe me.
Wiley.
I can see a town carpet bombed with 1/2 hour delay fuses. The start of disgruntlement to rival the HQ threads.
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I can see a town carpet bombed with 1/2 hour delay fuses. The start of disgruntlement to rival the HQ threads.
Which means eod would have to be more than just a certain rook pilot's call sign?
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This is the USAAF report on the Battle of the Bismarck Sea on the use of skip bombing and masthead bombing. One interesting note on the report, it also comments on the accuracy of heavy bombers (B-17s) in targeting Japanese maritime targets during the battle.
USPF Report Of Mastead Bombing (South West Pacific Area) May 26, 1943 (http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Aircraft/1943TacticalBulletins/3-43_MastheadBombing.html)
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Interesting too the time of day for the attacks to be more successful.