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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAP1 on November 11, 2014, 11:29:51 PM
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ok. you guys remember i bought that 2012 gt. i've been doing the "old guy" thing, and not driving her in ANY inclement weather, or taking her anywhere that she may get dented/dinged/scratched. thus, she's only got 4200 and change on the clock.
it came to my attention today that there is a locally available boss302. 2013. she's got 6700 and change on the clock. the boss's came with pretty much all the track goodies, including trans and engine oil coolers if i recall, but still have the getrag mt82 tranny. this one has the track key with it. they're asking 39k. i think i can work something out with my gt to keep the payments the same(as i'm still paying on that).
just curious of opinions.
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I don't know as much about the recent cars. But among the classic Mustangs the Boss was always my favorite, I've always had a thing for the classic yellow and black 69-70 Boss.
The one thing I do remember reading about the recent cars was regarding the Laguna Seca edition Boss, compared to the Rousch and Shelby Mustangs, and the reviewer concluded that as far as handling it was better then both the Rousch and the Shelby (which both cost more) I don't know what the difference is between Laguna Seca edition and the 'regular' Boss is though.
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But it if it has more HP, and I know it does.
Take it out on sunny Sundays only. Life is short. I actually have the cash for a Sunday car now but Im afraid to spend it being so late in my career. I just dont want car payments right now.
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Long term, that Boss 302 is going to be worth more.
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for 39k why not go for a cheaper 2015 gt (with the track pack) that bests the Boss in almost every way?
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Long term, that Boss 302 is going to be worth more.
Absolutely, I would do whatever needed to be done to grab that Boss
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The Boss 302 is on my very short "wish list" for cars I absolutely want.
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You could do the Boss over the GT, which I believe is a good plan. Especially if the car will not be a daily driver. It will hold its value much better than your GT. For that matter, if you can get your hands on a 2013 or 2014 GT500 - even moreso! Shelby no longer has a contract with Ford making those cars worth more - especially the last two with the highest HP production V8 made!
Or another option - Ford will release the 2016 GT350 (or whatever it will be called) and will be an awesome car.
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I don't think these mass produced cars are going up in value anytime in the next 30 years. If performance is what you are after get the 2015 gt. If you want to spend more to say you have a Boss then get it. Unless you plan on keeping the car 40 years I wouldn't even let speculated future value be a determining factor.
http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=2108
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I don't think these mass produced cars are going up in value anytime in the next 30 years. If performance is what you are after get the 2015 gt. If you want to spend more to say you have a Boss then get it. Unless you plan on keeping the car 40 years I wouldn't even let speculated future value be a determining factor.
http://www.mustang6g.com/?p=2108
True, I am speculating on the value of a late model Shelby, but I personally believe I will be proven correct. Time will tell.
Best of luck to the OP. :rock
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Both sound like good cars. But neither is worth a bit of what you say you like them for if they aren't driven. Get the one you will drive a lot and make it worth it and buy a picture of the one you would feel concerned about driving.
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The Boss is probably the best sounding car I've ever heard. A wise choice. :aok
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Get the Boss. GT is a solid car, but the numbers for the 302 are better, and much further down the road that 302 will be worth quite a bit.
While you're at it, snag an SN95 Cobra. They're stupidly cheap right now and sometime later on they may be worth a good chunk of cash. My friend got his 97 Mustang Convertible for 2 grand.
2. Freaking. Thousand. Dollars. That is stupidly cheap, my damn Pontiac Sunfire is worth more than that, and it's a 2001 model.
If he holds onto it like he says he will, that thing might be worth a lot by the time he's 50.
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Get the Boss. GT is a solid car, but the numbers for the 302 are better, and much further down the road that 302 will be worth quite a bit.
While you're at it, snag an SN95 Cobra. They're stupidly cheap right now and sometime later on they may be worth a good chunk of cash. My friend got his 97 Mustang Convertible for 2 grand.
2. Freaking. Thousand. Dollars. That is stupidly cheap, my damn Pontiac Sunfire is worth more than that, and it's a 2001 model.
If he holds onto it like he says he will, that thing might be worth a lot by the time he's 50.
The only numbers the boss has better is the HP number, The 2015 GT has 420hp to the Boss's 444hp. However the GT has more torque and at a lower rev range. A quote from FORD:
“We set out to create an all-new Mustang that would go, handle and stop better than any previous Mustang, while also being a better all-around daily driver,” said Pericak.
The results speak for themselves – during track testing, the 2015 Mustang GT with performance package consistently beat the lap times of the 2012-2013 Mustang Boss 302.
To me this is a no brainer, Buy a cheaper, newer GT and drive the hell out of it. Also keep in mind that cars are a notoriously horrible investment. Do not buy a new MASS PRODUCED car thinking you are going to make money on it.
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I would not go out of my way for a Boss 302 ... except only if it's a LS. For 40K I'd buy a 2015 5.0 that's rumored faster than the Boss around a track anyway. The name Boss is mostly glitter in the eye for the older crowd, and some vague speculation about return on investment, I dont believe in it.
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I would not go out of my way for a Boss 302 ... except only if it's a LS. For 40K I'd buy a 2015 5.0 that's rumored faster than the Boss around a track anyway. The name Boss is mostly glitter in the eye for the older crowd, and some vague speculation about return on investment, I dont believe in it.
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If a track car is what you're after, the new mustang platform with IRS will be overall better handling.. My advice is buy the new platform and purpose build it for what you want... But for gawd sakes man, drive it! lol
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for 39k why not go for a cheaper 2015 gt (with the track pack) that bests the Boss in almost every way?
'cause i don't like the 015. it's not faster, and probably only slightly better in the corners. and 'cause i don't like it. i think the ford designers brain farted again, much like they did with the sn95. they corrected that with the s197, but now going to the s550, i think they did it again.
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Long term, that Boss 302 is going to be worth more.
that's part of what i'm thinking, and since i'm just weekending it anyway, i kinda think it might be better to have something better than a gt. the only problem i have, is that mine is the only non-ford arse that's sat in the drivers seat of my car, and i'm kinda attached......
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I would not go out of my way for a Boss 302 ... except only if it's a LS. For 40K I'd buy a 2015 5.0 that's rumored faster than the Boss around a track anyway. The name Boss is mostly glitter in the eye for the older crowd, and some vague speculation about return on investment, I dont believe in it.
the boss302 is actually a different engine than the gt. different internals.
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'cause i don't like the 015. it's not faster, and probably only slightly better in the corners. and 'cause i don't like it. i think the ford designers brain farted again, much like they did with the sn95. they corrected that with the s197, but now going to the s550, i think they did it again.
Have you seen one in person yet? They look better than they do in the pictures. Good luck on which ever car you decide. :cheers:
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Have you seen one in person yet? They look better than they do in the pictures. Good luck on which ever car you decide. :cheers:
i haven't seen one up close yet. i saw a grey one pulling outta a local ford dealer a few weeks ago. i was test driving a customers car, and couldn't take my eyes off the road too long though.
see though? the thing with me, is that i like the s197's 'cause they remind me of the good looking mustangs from the 60's. i'd say a 67 fastback, a 69 fastback, some modern tech, toss it in a blender, crank that puppy up to plaid, and when you dump out whatcha got, you got the 010 to 014 mustang.
i've seen videos of ford running a supercharged 015 into the 10's, with only a tune, heavy duty rear cradle, and heavy duty half shafts. but the reports of that gt bone stock are only 13's. that's almost slower than a camaro. corners? i've no doubt it's gonna make a lot of guys that're used to trashing mustangs cry. but it just doesn't look like a mustang anymore.
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Neither. Get a corvette.
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You're killing me Cap. I just grabbed one of the last 2014 GTs sitting around that were kitted out the way I wanted. 1500 miles and it's already been down the track. Was turning on win lights last night at Atco and will be racing it in the Ford vs Chevy event this Saturday. It'll be sunny, you should come out. Buncha Ford guys in our pit area including some Ford powered dragsters you don't see much. This years 10.0 index champ has a turbo S197, and a couple blower cars in the group to go with some big block powered Fox's and a TBird.
If you're going to have a car you're not gonna drive may as well be a BOSS. Still, come out this weekend. There are gonna be plenty of ducks to go around the first couple rounds :)
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/545E593C-EC7C-4029-975C-2069C1CED6A2_zpsgugl4h97.jpg)
(http://i538.photobucket.com/albums/ff345/martinguitarist/07E1E850-3437-487E-A319-9BAC970B5F3E_zpsrrpp5qpb.jpg)
In other news the Corvette is almost done...
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Neither. Get a corvette.
Can't, GM has a stop-sale order :)
Now, part of me thought, that's not fair, don't do it. Then, being a Mustang guy, I thought again :neener:
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the boss302 is actually a different engine than the gt. different internals.
Im aware of that, big woopydoo you can redline 1000rpm higher, gain 30HP and lose 10 Tq. You are not going to use any of it and for christ sake 40K is new MSRP price but it's not new. Like I said earlier the name Boss is for your ego, you can build your GT better than the Boss with the money you saved. In a decade or two except a couple of all farts, people will say 'Limited edition called Boss 302? That's nice grandPa ... who cares compared to a GT'.
I too btw don't hit it with the 2015. I dig the rear/interrior , love the B pilar delete but that CD front and light placement ... yuk. It's too Ford fusion and not muscle car look. As I couldn't wait to get a 2010/11 I'll be gladly waiting for a Mach 1 model.
You want more, mod your GT without restriction, you'll feel guilty modding a 302 in fear of altering the resale value that will plumit anyway. Glitter for old folks that Boss. :old: in the long run.
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What Frenchy said. I glossed over the asking price in the OP. No.
Had a Ft Lauderdale dealer in January 2012 offer $38k to drive a brand new red BOSS 302 off the lot with the diff upgrade package and another option (forget what it was).
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The Boss, if left stock, will retain more value than a standard Mustang, simply due to the low production numbers for the car. That rule applies to any car made in low production numbers. It has nothing to do with age, or ego. It is how the American auto industry has worked, since the beginning.
Now, if you are going to mod the car, then the Boss is a poor choice as you will wreck the value retention, as it is based on keeping the car stock.
No one said you are going to make money on the Boss. Not going to happen, but if resale is a concern, the stock Boss wins over a modified Mustang, in terms of retention.
Of course, if you are a collector, the Boss is a no-brainer. Very little risk in adding that car to a collection.
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my dad has a 2012 or 2013 lacuna I think that's right boss 302, He loves it, it has 2 keys a red key and a green key. if I recall he paid as much for it as he did his house :lol
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1500 miles and it's already been down the track. Was turning on win lights last night at Atco and will be racing it in the Ford vs Chevy event this Saturday.
How'd ya do?
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First round win, got pulled for the bye 2nd round (best reaction time in Rd1)
Next pass I was a little light on the brake pedal (I'm used to racing a stick car) and I rolled in deep. Fearing a LB3A I took my foot off the gas as a habit to get the car stopped and the tree started coming down and fearing I was going to be late I just went. Ended up going red.
Went to do some test and tune hits to get some seat time but after the first pass a pro mod wrecked so I swapped the street tires back on and headed home.
Hopefully Saturday brings better results :)
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times?
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12.94@110
No power mods. I threw some BMR lower control arms on before I left the house because even in the street playing with the track apps I'd get a little wheel hop on launch and pedal to get it out. The aftermarket LCAs fixed that.
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12.94@110
No power mods. I threw some BMR lower control arms on before I left the house because even in the street playing with the track apps I'd get a little wheel hop on launch and pedal to get it out. The aftermarket LCAs fixed that.
Pretty darn good on street tires!
I had BMR LCAs on my 2010 GT - these made a huge difference in traction.
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The Boss, if left stock, will retain more value than a standard Mustang, simply due to the low production numbers for the car. That rule applies to any car made in low production numbers. It has nothing to do with age, or ego. It is how the American auto industry has worked, since the beginning.
Now, if you are going to mod the car, then the Boss is a poor choice as you will wreck the value retention, as it is based on keeping the car stock.
No one said you are going to make money on the Boss. Not going to happen, but if resale is a concern, the stock Boss wins over a modified Mustang, in terms of retention.
Of course, if you are a collector, the Boss is a no-brainer. Very little risk in adding that car to a collection.
I understand the thinking but I don't buy it, at least not to the level that some people expect because it says 'Boss'.
Would you spend serious extra cash to get a 2004 Mach 1 other a similar condition GT? Or even a 2001 Bullitt? The Boss is not rare enough, nor the perf boost enough to justify religiously babying it for 20 years in lure of a better resale value.
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That was on drag radials. 275/40-17 Mickey's
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That was on drag radials. 275/40-17 Mickey's
Still respectable.
I raced my GT at Bittburg AB last year and only managed 12.91. The car measured 580 WHP on Hankooks and the old taxiway was far from "prepped".
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my dad has a 2012 or 2013 lacuna I think that's right boss 302, He loves it, it has 2 keys a red key and a green key. if I recall he paid as much for it as he did his house :lol
the laguna boss's were crazy expensive. i just saw a black one somewhere online for in the 50's. it's got 900 miles on it
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First round win, got pulled for the bye 2nd round (best reaction time in Rd1)
Next pass I was a little light on the brake pedal (I'm used to racing a stick car) and I rolled in deep. Fearing a LB3A I took my foot off the gas as a habit to get the car stopped and the tree started coming down and fearing I was going to be late I just went. Ended up going red.
Went to do some test and tune hits to get some seat time but after the first pass a pro mod wrecked so I swapped the street tires back on and headed home.
Hopefully Saturday brings better results :)
what kinda et's ya getting? and if the ford vs chevy thing saturday or sunday?
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That was on drag radials. 275/40-17 Mickey's
i almost feel ya shoulda been a bit faster on drag radials. supposedly the guys at winner ford were running 12.5's on their 012 gt auto right off the trailer.........
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what kinda et's ya getting? and if the ford vs chevy thing saturday or sunday?
High 12s. Saturday, gates open 9:30.
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I understand the thinking but I don't buy it, at least not to the level that some people expect because it says 'Boss'.
Would you spend serious extra cash to get a 2004 Mach 1 other a similar condition GT? Or even a 2001 Bullitt? The Boss is not rare enough, nor the perf boost enough to justify religiously babying it for 20 years in lure of a better resale value.
i think 4k cars each year, with a few hundred of those being track only, or the "S" model.
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High 12s. Saturday, gates open 9:30.
that kinda sucks. 930 on saturday i'm gonna be elbows deep in a grand caravan, a subaru, and a couple other gems.......
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i almost feel ya shoulda been a bit faster on drag radials. supposedly the guys at winner ford were running 12.5's on their 012 gt auto right off the trailer.........
Better air today. Found a couple tenths. 12.72@110
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Depends on the track. The tracks close to me are not prepped and therefore slick as teflon. Wheel spin is something you have to deal with here. I would love to run my GT500 down a prepped track at 75 degrees ambient. I'm guessing the car is capable of mid 11s on the stock Eagle F1s.
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That sounds about right. The tracks I run at (Atco today, but also hit Cecil County and Englishtown) all get a pretty good surface with Cecil being the best on their big monthly event days hands down. The big boy X275 cars need the prep and us little index and bracket racers get to enjoy it :)
Today's prep is decent and the DA is a lot better today than it was Tuesday. Hopefully we'll get through Elims before it gets too cold out. Only 41F out now. Brrr
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To compare :
Early 302 ... meh:
(http://mustangattitude.com/mustang/2012/2012_00060_01.jpg)
Last model body upgrades :rock
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy112/GOTSVT/2013%20Boss%20302/2012-10-23_16-18-33_69.jpg)
New 2015 model (302-fied for paintjob similarity effect):
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b541/TzFactory/2015MUSTANGBOSS-1_zps328071cc.jpg)
I'm still not struck by thunder by the new model as I was the previous gen ... but if I'd go for one instead of my charger or a Z06, I think I'll go dark green:
(http://www.stangtv.com/image/2014/11/whiteline-101.jpg)
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Better air today. Found a couple tenths. 12.72@110
that's more like it. :aok
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that's more like it. :aok
I was on a 12.65 pass when I lost in a double breakout. Took a tad too much stripe against a 10.0 S10 closing on me at 30mph.
A couple win lights, a bye and several sub 40 r/t lights. Not bad for 7 total passes worth of seat time :)
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I was on a 12.65 pass when I lost in a double breakout. Took a tad too much stripe against a 10.0 S10 closing on me at 30mph.
A couple win lights, a bye and several sub 40 r/t lights. Not bad for 7 total passes worth of seat time :)
sounds like a fun day. i worked till about 8'ish tonight.
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*cough* saturday nights are for fun time :aok
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sounds like a fun day. i worked till about 8'ish tonight.
Icky! Don't feel bad as I'm going to be bouncing around Canada this week. Doesn't look warm up in Calgary, Edmonton and Ft McMurray. :(
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Boy thats a pretty green and I normally dont like green.
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Do Want!
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So....Nobody has posted a pic of the King Cobra yet?
You disappoint me. All of you.
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Frickin Sweet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yC6tKvEy6t0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.lethalperformance.com/info/index.php/templates/one_column_content/ford-releases-2016-shelby-gt350-videos-and-info
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Aw freaking crap. Just when I thought I'd be immuned to the temptation of spending $$$ on a Mustang because I wasn't too found of some aspect of the body .... they *&^/$#@ fix it to make it muscle car like. Ammo, nice coincidence you were lecturing me about the difference of a American V8 vs a Ferrari V8 not long time ago :noid
Cap, enjoy your $40K 302 :) Im switching 2016 GT350. :cheers:
(http://media.caranddriver.com/images/media/51/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-inline2-showfloor-photo-648768-s-original.jpg)
http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-photos-and-info-news (http://www.caranddriver.com/news/2016-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350-photos-and-info-news)
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It seems they did make it right. I like it!
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They really got the body style back to raw muscle, I am super excited and might have to start looking at replacing the ol '05.