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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Rob52240 on November 12, 2014, 12:46:29 PM
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I don't know what it is with modern society and all of this crap about progressiveness but I've read 2 news articles in the past few days that really ticked me off.
1. A school in Wisconsin that has been having a veterans day assembly with a 21 gun salute (blanks fired from guns that only fire blanks) for the past 80 years says that the vets are no longer welcome if they insist on doing a 21 gun salute. The veterans group has taken up an offer to hold their parade and salute at a local Burger King parking lot.
2. Bruce Springsteen did a veterans concert and the snarky bastard played an anti war song.
It frustrates me that a lot of people have no problem benefiting from their armed forces but insist on acting as though they are superior to anyone who's ever been brave enough to put their life on the line for the citizens of their country.
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there two of the many things we fought to protect
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The veterans group has taken up an offer to hold their parade and salute at a local Burger King parking lot.
Ironic really they picked Burger King since they moved their corporate head office to Canada to avoid US taxes.
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Burger king made the first offer.
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Anti-war songs, for the most part, aren't unpatriotic or anti-vet. Springsteen ones, for sure.
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Bruce "S4itstain" Spreengsteen is what he his, and he always has been. Read up... real peice of work.
I don't know what it is with modern society and all of this crap about progressiveness but I've read 2 news articles in the past few days that really ticked me off.
1. A school in Wisconsin that has been having a veterans day assembly with a 21 gun salute (blanks fired from guns that only fire blanks) for the past 80 years says that the vets are no longer welcome if they insist on doing a 21 gun salute. The veterans group has taken up an offer to hold their parade and salute at a local Burger King parking lot.
2. Bruce Springsteen did a veterans concert and the snarky bastard played an anti war song.
It frustrates me that a lot of people have no problem benefiting from their armed forces but insist on acting as though they are superior to anyone who's ever been brave enough to put their life on the line for the citizens of their country.
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Bruce "cheesestain" Spreengsteen is what he his, and he always has been. Read up... real peice of work.
'Cheesestain!' That's funny. How ya doin, Tumor? :cheers:
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2. Bruce Springsteen did a veterans concert and the snarky bastard played an anti war song.
I never have met a 'pro-war' vet in person.
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I never have met a 'pro-war' vet in person.
I've known two. One was a Marine aviation mechanic in the Pacific, saw no combat. The other was a Marine in Nam, probably personified most of the bad things that came out of that war.
Other than those two, I haven't met a lot of pro-war vets, either.
- oldman
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I never have met a 'pro-war' vet in person.
you sir are correct! I second that comment.
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Ironic really they picked Burger King since they moved their corporate head office to Canada to avoid US taxes.
That's not exactly true,they partnered up with Canadian iconic company called Tim Hortons and moved into the new corporate building Tim's just built.
They will likely be subject to more taxes up here,not less! :devil
:salute
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Anti-war songs, for the most part, aren't unpatriotic or anti-vet. Springsteen ones, for sure.
Born in the U.S.A. is patriotic?
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Born in the U.S.A. is patriotic?
Not what I said. I said it ain't 'un-patriotic.'
Patriotic songs would be anything composed by John Phillip Sousa or the National Anthem or the themes of the branches of service, imo (I would include anything left out that appears on this list: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/diglib/ihas/html/patriotic/patriotic-home.html. Some may include these: http://theboot.com/patriotic-songs/ but for me it would depend on my beer intake). :D
Anyhoo .... me and the guys I served with sang this song in a bar, loudly and boisterously, during Reagan's first term without one lick of remorse or regret:
Born down in a dead man's town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that's been beat too much
Till you spend half your life just covering up
Born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Got in a little hometown jam so they put a rifle in my hand
Sent me off to a foreign land to go and kill the yellow man
Born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says "son if it was up to me"
Went down to see my V.A. man
He said "son don't you understand now"
Had a brother at Khe Sahn fighting off the Viet Cong
They're still there he's all gone
He had a woman he loved in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms now
Down in the shadow of penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I'm ten years burning down the road
Nowhere to run ain't got nowhere to go
Born in the U.S.A.
I was born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I'm a long gone daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I'm a cool rocking daddy in the U.S.A.
And yeah .....
Called for induction when he was 18, Springsteen failed his physical examination and did not serve in Vietnam. In an interview in Rolling Stone magazine in 1984, he said, "When I got on the bus to go take my physical, I thought one thing: I ain't goin'." He had suffered a concussion in a motorcycle accident when he was 17, and this together with his "crazy" behavior at induction and not taking the tests was enough to get him a 4F.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Springsteen
*ShruG*
I'm complex. ;)
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Some people are confusing Veteran's Day for Memorial Day. These people are throwing 21 gun salutes around like they are napkins at a barbecue.
Today the national salute of 21 guns is fired in honor of a national flag, the sovereign or chief of state of a foreign nation, a member of a reigning royal family, and the President, ex-President and President-elect of the United States. It is also fired at noon of the day of the funeral of a President, ex-President, or President-elect.
This retroactive conservative faux outrage is faux. It cries "Look at me!!! I want my measure of downtrodden!!! I'm being oppressed!!! I'm being oppresssseddd!!!"
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"I support the troops" has become cliche. I'd imagine about as far as the majority of civilians go is to put the yellow ribbon on their car or buy a shirt.
Do/have they volunteered lately, doubt it; or ever?. At the VA here most of our volunteers are vets...
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Some people are confusing Veteran's Day for Memorial Day. These people are throwing 21 gun salutes around like they are napkins at a barbecue.
This retroactive conservative faux outrage is faux. It cries "Look at me!!! I want my measure of downtrodden!!! I'm being oppressed!!! I'm being oppresssseddd!!!"
All this stuff reminds me of two songs by the same person.
To the Victims of This Tragedy We Send Our Thoughts and Prayers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8ouBFh04DU
Thanks For the Support
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlUyNmUABbc
BTW: I forgot. A Vet pointed me to the song above.
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I've known two. One was a Marine aviation mechanic in the Pacific, saw no combat. The other was a Marine in Nam, probably personified most of the bad things that came out of that war.
Other than those two, I haven't met a lot of pro-war vets, either.
- oldman
+1 on that OM. Most people I know that are pro-war vets are either nuts or have never been in hand-to-hand combat.
My buddies Robin and Peter went to the Baltics as part of the 'peace enforcing units' in the 90's and both came back broken. Taking the life of another human changes you. And their combat engagements were nothing compared to what NATO experienced and are experiencing in Afghanistan. And yet even Afghanistan pales in comparison to what our fathers and grandfathers faced in WWI, II, and in Korea. Yet they managed to put on a smile on their face and live the rest of their lives without really talking much about it until their later years in life... some never did or never will.
Supporting veterans doesn't mean that you're pro-war or anti-war. It means you believe on giving these folks the help they need to repair the scars to their body and soul. Some injuries a vet has are never seen or heard. That's the tough part of being a Vet.
:salute
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+1 on that OM. Most people I know that are pro-war vets are either nuts or have never been in hand-to-hand combat.
My buddies Robin and Peter went to the Baltics as part of the 'peace enforcing units' in the 90's and both came back broken. Taking the life of another human changes you. And their combat engagements were nothing compared to what NATO experienced and are experiencing in Afghanistan. And yet even Afghanistan pales in comparison to what our fathers and grandfathers faced in WWI, II, and in Korea. Yet they managed to put on a smile on their face and live the rest of their lives without really talking much about it until their later years in life... some never did or never will.
Supporting veterans doesn't mean that you're pro-war or anti-war. It means you believe on giving these folks the help they need to repair the scars to their body and soul. Some injuries a vet has are never seen or heard. That's the tough part of being a Vet.
:salute
Good post.
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2. Bruce Springsteen did a veterans concert and the snarky bastard played an anti war song.
If you talk with veterans, most of them are absolutely anti-war. They usually never want to experience the horror again.
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I'm sorry but the way I recall Springsteen's "Unfortunate Son" was more
a jab at the sons of the "elite" and "privileged" that could buy or trade on their
parents celebrity to avoid the draft.
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I'm sorry but the way I recall Springsteen's "Unfortunate Son" was more
a jab at the sons of the "elite" and "privileged" that could buy or trade on their
parents celebrity to avoid the draft.
"Fortunate Son", originally by CCR. But yes, that's exactly what is was meant as. In no way is it anti-vet or anti-soldier, and it really doesn't have much to say about war as a whole, it's about those who escaped by means unavailable to the rest of the populace (Senator's Son, Millionaire's Son, Military Son [Daddy could keep him away from a combat unit with connections]).
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+1 on that OM. Most people I know that are pro-war vets are either nuts or have never been in hand-to-hand combat.
My buddies Robin and Peter went to the Baltics as part of the 'peace enforcing units' in the 90's and both came back broken. Taking the life of another human changes you. And their combat engagements were nothing compared to what NATO experienced and are experiencing in Afghanistan. And yet even Afghanistan pales in comparison to what our fathers and grandfathers faced in WWI, II, and in Korea. Yet they managed to put on a smile on their face and live the rest of their lives without really talking much about it until their later years in life... some never did or never will.
Supporting veterans doesn't mean that you're pro-war or anti-war. It means you believe on giving these folks the help they need to repair the scars to their body and soul. Some injuries a vet has are never seen or heard. That's the tough part of being a Vet.
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Well said.