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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: skorpx1 on November 24, 2014, 09:37:34 PM
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Just tuned in to the police scanner radio in Ferguson and it's a disaster down there. Shots fired in front of the PD, looters and general chaos throughout the city.
If you ask me this whole deal was just a bad situation from the beginning. Had it not gotten any media attention it wouldn't be at this kind of crapstorm. What are all of your thoughts on this?
(Try to keep it non-political)
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From what I saw on the news there were a few incidences, but hardly "chaos throughout the city". We'll see how it goes through the night.
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I just hope that reaction does not violate good sense. We all need figure out how to work issues out in a civil manner.
:pray
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There are marches down U street here in DC.
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I'm keeping my mouth shut on the issue, people always seem to get pissed off when I open it up.
Non-political or not, I don't see this thread as having a prolonged future.
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I don't know who is rightfully innocent or guilty in all of this, but the court of public opinion made its decision in the first hour of the media blitz. Any factual evidence that comes after an investigation gets swallowed up in the storm of speculation, that's always more interesting anyway...
Haven't come across any forms of civil disobedience, protesting or general anarchy yet. All has been normal in my parts. :pray for cool heads to prevail and a peaceful outcome in all of this.
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I live an hour from St. Louis, and I absolutely refuse to do anything over there even before this protest nonsense started. I-44 just got shut down by nutjobs just standing in the interstate. If that would ever happen with my wife and kids in the car and I thought their safety would be at risk if we got stopped, I will get through one way or another even if it means keeping my foot glued to the accelerator
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To all my fellow AHers that live there, I pray for the safety of you all and your families. I know a few of you are from there and are in my thoughts. :salute :pray
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Elam Ferguson, I wished AMC didn't kill his character off, provided a good story. Now they've killed the little boy and the hung the church lady. Hmmmm.
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There are cars and businesses on fire, looting, shots fired, tear gas....all of this is crazy. Watching CNN right now and it's progressed into a huge mess in the past hour.
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Those criminals are not helping their "cause". Though in reality their only cause was looking for a chance to get violent.
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It's kind of strange seeing cops better geared dealing with protesters than I was in Iraq. Granted I did have a bigger gun :D
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According to the scanner feed Toys R' Us is getting looted, and there is a "strike team" heading "on the quiet" to an address that comes up as a Target store. http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573 (http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/ctid/1573)
It's really going nuts now. Over the past few minutes they've had a missing trooper that hasn't checked in, reports of heavy incoming gunfire, the fire department retreating from a fire after taking incoming gunfire, and they just ordered all personnel out of the "hot zone".
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From what I saw on the news there were a few incidences, but hardly "chaos throughout the city". We'll see how it goes through the night.
listen in for yourself. cop missing. 2 patrol cars on fire. walgreens and another place on fire. i think NINE fires total. heavy gunfire. stuff being thrown. patrol car broken into, and ar stolen out of it.......yea, it's bad there.
http://m.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner
http://www.broadcastify.com/listen/feed/17925/web
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http://www.ustream.tv/channel/st-louis-county-police-scanner
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Hood Mentality: Never waste an opportunity to completely destroy your community and then blame it on oppression.
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I'm not posting in this thread either.
I have a bad record recently, though not as part of a deliberate strategy. Started that burn pit thread that got locked, though I only posted out of interest. Also got moderated in-game today for asking a Ferguson-related question.
As it happens, it was the most significant, enjoyable and memorable thing which happened during the whole time I was online. Couldn't buy a kill, and my stick was acting up.
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Watts, Rodney King, O.J. Simpson, and now Ferguson! Interesting pattern, isn't it?
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They would have rioted and looted either way. It's a sad self fulfilling prophecy
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Live stream from local TV station KSDK
http://www.ksdk.com/
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In Savannah, in the last week, there has been three children shot during black on black gun fire exchanges. Two are dead and the third okay now. No protest there.
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Well that certainly didn't last long :(
It doesn't matter which side of this people stand on, how does destroying a parts store and a parking lot full of cars help anything? Morons
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Well that certainly didn't last long :(
It doesn't matter which side of this people stand on, how does destroying a parts store and a parking lot full of cars help anything? Morons
The sad thing is that people believe "those" people are actually doing this because of what happened. They could care less, this is just an excuse for anarchy. One thing I've learned over the years is society is always on a knife edge between peace and chaos. Remember Katrina? Doesn't matter the circumstances that started, they don't care about that at all.
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The media needs to stop calling the rioters 'protesters'. When you loot and set fire to businesses you are no longer 'protesting'.
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:noid
Whats the lesson to be learned here?
1) Next time you go to the store to "grab" some smokes and candy, walk home on the sidewalk?
or
2) Cops should not shoot people with there hands up?
:bhead
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All Good citizens should obey the law in a civilized society. :pray Prayers for the innocent in Ferguson.
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:noid
Whats the lesson to be learned here?
1) Next time you go to the store to "grab" some smokes and candy, walk home on the sidewalk?
or
2) Cops should not shoot people with there hands up?
:bhead
you are part of the problem. The "eye witnesses" admitted they did not see his hands up and they just reported what they ASSUMED happened. However, the physical evidence including the thugs blood over 16 feet behind him proves that he was indeed charging at the officer and there were sone witness accounts that confimed that. This was not an innocent boy with his hands up. This was a big thug charging an offericer that he had already punched the officer through his car window and attempted to grab the officers gun. Look at the evidence not the media's report. I was appalled at CNN's race baiting even after the DA went over the evidence.
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This whole thing is sad.
I'm reminded of a book by Adam Gopnik (a staff writer for The New Yorker), Angels and Ages: A Short Book About Darwin, Lincoln, and Modern Life
http://www.amazon.com/Angels-Ages-Darwin-Lincoln-Modern/dp/B004J8HY3U/
If anyone has the time, it is a short book, you may want to read it. It is an interesting read. One theme he goes over is his ideas on Abraham Lincoln's ideas on law and order. Short of the long of it is that when you don't have a legal process that everyone see as fair you end up with uncivil behavior (Lincoln's view).
I hope that the unrest in Ferguson comes to an end very soon (Today).
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you are part of the problem. :noid
not ... much ... say
:bhead
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Looters would be shot if I had to defend my property during a hurricane or other disaster. Why is this different. Where is the National Guard? It's not like they didn't know what would happen. Good People do not break the law protesting the perceived breaking of the law.
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When I read about St. Louis this story comes in my mind; Some of this poor suburbs of St. Louis has been used in 50s-60s by diabolic army minds secretly spraying radioactive particles to test chemical wafare technology;
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210415/Revealed-Army-scientists-secretly-sprayed-St-Louis-radioactive-particles-YEARS-test-chemical-warfare-technology.html#ixzz3K5jCb4Sp
documentary, unbelievable using their own population as lab rats; I understand why young generation of people around the world are losing trust in governments;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMlu0KfZRd0
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not ... much ... say
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If I mistook what you wrote or missed the sarcasm I apologize. Your #2 lesson just gets me fired up because that's what the idiot protestors actually believe happened. They believe that the officer shot an innocent kid with his hands in the air. I have two law enforcement officers in my family and one has been shot 3 times during a crime. He still has a bullet lodged in him that the doctors cannot remove. These criminals protesting the police for doing their job just gets personal for me. The officers in Ferguson cannot win, CNN's coverage was basically blasting the officers for using tear gas last night. It is a bad situation made worse by the media. I apologize if I took your post out of context or miscomprehended it.
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It must have been awfull for the cops to be powerless against the mobs looting. Lucky looters, in Russia the looters would come back to their own cars set on fire by the cops. :banana: Karma. Listening to the scaners yesterday night, I couldn't help thinking of the looters gathering around a thankgiving table on Thursday after how negatively they impacted so many lives in the name of greed. :cry
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Yes it is terrible. A police officer must act as trained. That's why we don't mess with cops and know if we do there is a good chance I'll die. Long story short, hope cooler heads prevail. :bolt:
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Yes it is terrible. A police officer must act as trained. That's why we don't mess with cops and know if we do there is a good chance I'll die. Long story short, hope cooler heads prevail. :bolt:
That is correct! If you slam the door on a patrol car that an officer is trying to get out of and reach into the patrol car window and throw punches at the cop before reaching for the cop's gun you can (and should imho) be shot and killed. Don't break the law and don't attack police and you won't have a problem. There are other ways of dealing with laws you may not like. Attacking police officers, looting, and burning down your own city is not the way to go about it.
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Watch vice news on YouTube. Been on for six months now and have over a million subs. They have five hours of raw footage of walking around I watched the live stream last night.
It got bad enough they went back to the car and put on vests. The last time he wore his vest was in Gaza during the small war over there.
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Have you guys seen the dude whos store was initially robbed. It got looted again. What a bunch of savages.
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Once looting/arson/violence begins, they should be referred to as domestic terrorism and be punished as terrorists
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The worst part about all of this as a St. Louis native, is watching people who don't even live here think they understand better than someone who is LIVING this situation, and start casting judgment on the city and its people. Especially those of us who aren't satisfied with the story the media has been force-feeding to stir up the lynch mob, and look at the ACTUAL evidence, only to get branded as racist bigoted Klansmen wannabes by default for not kowtowing to Reverend Al and his hype machine.
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Estimates are that there are "Nearly 120 protests over Ferguson decision planned" today.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/25/us/national-ferguson-protests/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
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Has anyone else downloaded the officer's statement to the grand jury, and read the entire thing? I found it very interesting. He seemed very honest, and when asked about questioning, he answered he hasn't denied a single person of authority who has requested he answer questions, when he easily could have clammed up. Anyhow, I suggest anyone interested take 20 minutes and read the transcripts. What Saxman is saying plays well into this IMO - read the statements, and the questions from all the different members of the Grand Jury.
I've done a lot of training and fighting from vehicles, it was my PSD job for several years, as well as several years as an instructor - fighting with anything, even a handgun, while inside your vehicle when you're under attack is a very specific skill set, and not a simple one either. When the threats are civilians using unarmed combat techniques against you, it becomes a very complex situation in terms of using the threat or use of force continuum. That's what this officer ended up having to do, and once you read all his comments about it, and answers to questions, I think it's self evident that he was lucky to survive the initial attack, as he nearly had his weapon stripped as well as nearly having it discharged into the plexus of arteries in the pelvic area. Brown had his fingers in the trigger guard, and was trying to shoot the officer, however while struggling with the pistol it was moved enough out of battery to disengaged the trigger. Later in the fight when the pistol was pushed towards the floor, it did discharge, and hit the bracket which holds the seat belt latch to the floor. This empty casing wasn't ejected, because again, while struggling with the pistol, the slide was held in place and couldn't eject or load a new cartridge into the chamber. The rest of the encounter is covered very accurately IMO in the transcripts, and is backed up by various witnesses of all races in the area.
The officer had also just come from a child in distress call - life is strange, to go from helping a sick child to having to engage a crazed violent one seconds later...Much about this is covered in the transcripts as well. One interesting thing is that the officer immediately used proper procedure for storing evidence, and placed his weapon into the proper bag in the proper way. Brown's dna, sweat, and prints are all over that weapon.
Anyhow, IMO everyone should read the transcripts, to at least have a balanced and accurate idea of what the officer's side of the story is, and not the media's and those with axes to grind or playing politics with the issue.
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2014/11/ferguson_darren_wilson_intervi.html
This is the GJ transcript, it starts on page 195 so skip ahead to there - https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370518-grand-jury-volume-5.html
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Personally I don't see why he wasn't indicted. If its because of Missouri law, then that law should be changed to say that any time an officer fires their weapon and injures someone, there IS a trial, the indictment is automatic.
Here's the thing though. I read these two articles and they seem to be in conflict with each other, while each being rational:
http://www.policeone.com/ferguson/articles/7782643-Why-Officer-Darren-Wilson-wasnt-indicted
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/ferguson-michael-brown-indictment-darren-wilson
How can they both be true?
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Personally I don't see why he wasn't indicted. If its because of Missouri law, then that law should be changed to say that any time an officer fires their weapon and injures someone, there IS a trial, the indictment is automatic.
Why? That's just making the thin blue line even thinner. Officers in most modern departments (Cant say all as there are still some departments in far corners with century old policies) when involved in a shooting or loss of life, whether civilian or their own, are disarmed and taken off active duty and subsequently taken to deal with Internal Affairs to determine whether it was a just case. They also are put on leave to be deemed fit for duty by a psychiatrist at a later date. Gone are the days of "rub some dirt on it and come back in to work the next day" policies.
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See Rule #4
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Why? That's just making the thin blue line even thinner.
That is precisely the effect I want.
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The sad thing is all of this FACTUAL evidence has been presented and not one of those monkeys....
i stopped reading here because everything you've said afterwords became null and void.
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That is precisely the effect I want.
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That is precisely the effect I want.
Me don't want a purge. Me to wimpy
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This thread has gotten to the point where nothing positive will come of it.