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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Lucifer on December 06, 2014, 11:50:50 PM
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Might be a addition...! :aok
FW190D-12
A small quantity of this version was manufactured, since some specimens recovered after the German defeat sleep in museums. It is the version of tactical support (the version F of D-9 to some extent).Equiped in series with Rüstsats R11 with the version D-9, D12 was armed with the 2xMG151/20 to the root of the wings and lost its 2xMG131 cap with the profit of an axial MK108. The engine was Jumo213F with the device of overpower by water-methanol MW50 injection and it was equipped with 4 tanks of additional wings car-sealing which increased its capacity by 315 liters.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/vh69ad.jpg)
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*vomits*
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So a 152 but more suckish... Interesting :O
What was its top SL speed?
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What museums would these D-12s be in?
The D-12 was be built at the Fieseler and Arado factories in 1945 but there was no completed a/c. There was 3 prototypes V64, 65 and 66 tho.
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http://www.skytamer.com/6.1/AZ/Mesa,Champlin.html
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What museums would these D-12s be in?
The D-12 was be built at the Fieseler and Arado factories in 1945 but there was no completed a/c. There was 3 prototypes V64, 65 and 66 tho.
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Max speed 725 km/h on altitude 9700 m
Turn time 21.6 s
Take on distance 316.96 m
Climb time 786 s to altitude 10000 m
Climb rate 22 m/s
So a 152 but more suckish... Interesting :O
What was its top SL speed?
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WNr 836017 is a D-13.
The wing of this a/c and the D-9 in the USA at one time were switched. They now have the correct wings.
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WNr 836017 is a D-13.
The wing of this a/c and the D-9 in the USA at one time were switched. They now have the correct wings.
Mk108 in nose
(http://i57.tinypic.com/34zas9f.jpg)
One of the available model kits (box).
(http://i60.tinypic.com/24mglg9.jpg)
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Mk108 in nose
(http://i57.tinypic.com/34zas9f.jpg)
That's the FW 190D-13, W.Nr. 836017 "Yellow 10"
It featured an engine mounted MG 151/20
It's misnomed a D-12 on several sites. Even on wikipedia there's a picture called ":Fw 190D-12.jpg" but actually has the correct tag (D-13) in the description.
See more at http://www.airspacemag.com/history-of-flight/yellow-10-4310601/ , for example
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Both of these would be nice.
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That's a D-13 and...search is your friend.
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That's a D-13 and...search is your friend.
Be sure. :)
USA 14 - Focke-Wulf Fw190D-13 - W.Nr.836017 - coded "Yellow 10" of JG26 - shipped to the US and allocated FE-118. On static display at Fighter Museum, Arizona
(USA Numbers were allocated by RAF Intelligence teams to aircraft located in Northern Germany and Denmark. Details were then forwarded to Colonel Harold Watson and if required by the Americans the aircraft were handed over to the USAAF.)
In fact Lucifer, the model you say is a D-12 is actually a D-13 prototype, WNr 350165. If it was coded CS+IB, it would be D-12 prototype WNr 350166.
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Allright :)
D-12 might be interesting to fly, Mk108 isnt great-at all- at more than 250m,
but that 190 characteristics include the Jumo 213 F-1 engine, a very interesting one...
"High altitude version of 213A, delivering 1,750 PS (2,050 PS with MW 50 boost) take-off power".
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Mk180 does fine past 250 yards, just need to learn how it works.
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I'm talking about dogfights against fighters, Anarchy.
After 300m, landing a 30 mm shell is far more difficult with such Balistic.
"The resulting low muzzle velocity was the MK 108's main shortcoming, with the result that its projectile trajectory was seriously affected by bullet drop after a comparatively short range—41 m (135 ft) of drop in the first 1,000 m (3,300 ft) of range. The long time of flight and curved trajectory strongly reduced the usefulness of the MK 108 against maneuvering targets like fighters; it was designed for use against bombers. Even against these, attacks had to be pressed home to close range (often, at just 200-300 meters), which was particularly challenging for fast fighters like the Me 262, which risked colliding with the target if their approach speed was too high."
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How much is the drop at 50m or 100m?
(http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ZorinW/media/mk108.jpg.html)
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How much is the drop at 50m or 100m?
(http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ZorinW/media/mk108.jpg.html)
There is none, depending on convergence.
Anything under 250 yd convergence the drop is greater at closer ranges.
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How much is the drop at 50m or 100m?
(http://s205.photobucket.com/user/ZorinW/media/mk108.jpg.html)
The Minengeschoss for the Mk 108 drops about 0.21m at 100m distance
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The Minengeschoss for the Mk 108 drops about 0.21m at 100m distance
Virtually nothing? :headscratch: :old:
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Virtually nothing? :headscratch: :old:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/mk108mine_zps9e53512a.jpg)
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There is none, depending on convergence.
Anything under 250 yd convergence the drop is greater at closer ranges.
What r yours set at
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Virtually nothing? :headscratch: :old:
While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!
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What r yours set at
350 is the best :bolt:
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While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!
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(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/mk108mine_zps9e53512a.jpg)
I see now that it increases more than double at the next 100 meters (200m) but under 100 it's still nothing that one should worry about IMO.
What r yours set at
350 in every plane w/ taters except the 262 where I have them at 300 for top and 550 for bottom.
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While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!
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Yes though I'm used to using this gun and don't have too much of a problem with it. :)
Not bragging or anything but it's more of a problem with people new to using this weapon, or those who have used it for a while but do not "understand" it.
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I presume this figure is got with rapid fire. With single shots the gun would be more accurate. The firing rate of MK108 is pretty awesome for its caliber and since the weapon itself does not weight much the dispersion will rapidly build up shot by shot with 650 rpm.
In games the gun is modeled so that it is inherently inaccurate even with single shots so that even the first shot goes somewhere withing the dispersion cone and not near the center.
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While you may consider that virtually nothing the dispersion cone is around 40 ft at 300 meter,that is considerable!
Yes, the problem with the mk108 is not the bullet drop, but the muzzle velocity and scatter. Scatter as mentioned in the quote easily becomes larger than the target at moderate ranges. At that point, accurate aiming is not enough since there is an additional dice roll determining where the bullet will actually go. Low velocity means you need to lead more - this means that when firing under G load, the target is usually well below the nose and obscured. If fired when unloaded (as it should be) the pilot has to aim well ahead of the target which is again not easy. The drop of the bullet is a much less significant factor than these two.
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I'm talking about dogfights against fighters, Anarchy.
After 300m, landing a 30 mm shell is far more difficult with such Balistic.
"The resulting low muzzle velocity was the MK 108's main shortcoming, with the result that its projectile trajectory was seriously affected by bullet drop after a comparatively short range—41 m (135 ft) of drop in the first 1,000 m (3,300 ft) of range. The long time of flight and curved trajectory strongly reduced the usefulness of the MK 108 against maneuvering targets like fighters; it was designed for use against bombers. Even against these, attacks had to be pressed home to close range (often, at just 200-300 meters), which was particularly challenging for fast fighters like the Me 262, which risked colliding with the target if their approach speed was too high."
Takes time, and practice. I know several pilots who can nail peopel past 500. Time, dedication to the taters, a good teacher, and patience.
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Takes time, and practice. I know several pilots who can nail peopel past 500. Time, dedication to the taters, a good teacher, and patience.
Agreed!
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Considering the spray cone at 500m, the low velocity, and the gravity... dont forget ur rabbit's foot ! :D
Agreed!
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Might add that pick a base and for the tater platform before jumping in. Aka start with the 109g14 with the 20mm for 109's and the 190A5 for them birdies. Some might say differeny but starting off with the 109G14 will help me you learn to use the engine to actually assist in aiming as well as gaining better knowledge of the platform and her envelope. I know some pilots like grizz use the canopy as a way of aiming. Hope this helps. If I might also add, any of the muppets, jg11, jg54 other luftweenies :D love to help. I would love to but I don't play Hardly ever due to work. :salute
Ps everyone has thier wY of guidance and teaching, these are just whT helped me.
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WNr 836017 is a D-13.
The wing of this a/c and the D-9 in the USA at one time were switched. They now have the correct wings.
Milo knows his Yellow 10 history well. We have this skin in the game btw. I fly it all the time. It's an exercise in frustration. :lol
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I still want it ! :D :devil :D
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Nein nein nein nein nein nein.
But since we are on this subject the D9 should be ENY 5. :p
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At least for the D13 production numbers.
Focke-Wulf 190 D-13
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836 000 - 836 017
Then some infer the D13 is really the Ta152 C after the change from FW to Ta.
Focke-Wulf Ta 152 C
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110 006 - 110 026
I'm confident we have resident experts who can illuminate this better. Still, it's not like Hitech is unaware of this ride but, maybe for the time being Waffle getting all the AH1 rides up to AH3 modeling standards is more important in the near term.
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Mk180 does fine past 250 yards, just need to learn how it works.
Don't forget to add a link to the Mk108 practice tool (https://classicreload.com/qbasic-gorillas.html).
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Lets see, did we have 190D-12s in combat units before the end? No. That kind of eliminates it from contention, especially since you already have the Ta-152 in the game. If we going to start adding rides that were only available as prototypes, I'm voting for the Do-335.
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Two known to be in service with 17 built of D-13, D-12 canceled in favor of the D-13. One D-13 surrendered intact "Yellow 10". This is like the GV guys wanting a 500ft hill with a spawn over every field.
In all, the Ministry of Aviation called for 820 D-11 airframes to be built by Focke-Wulf Sorau, starting in early 1945, Fieseler Kassel was tasked to build 1,420 D-12s starting in the same time frame and the manufacture of the D-13 was passed to Arbeitsgruppe Roland [N 3] tasked with the construction of 1,060 airframes starting again in early 1945. For some unknown reason, production of the D-12 was cancelled in favour of the D-13 model. From evidence from the Oberkommando der Luftwaffe General Quartiermeister document Nr. 2766/45 of April 1945, it was known that 17 D-13s were more than likely built, but only two were known to be in service. A D-13 (Wk. Nr 836017) flown by the Geschwaderkommodore of JG 26, Franz Götz, an ace with 63 kills, was surrendered to the British at Flensburg, Northern Germany in May 1945.[55] As noted previously, this aircraft is still in existence, painted in its original colour scheme as Yellow 10 of 6 Staffel/JG 26, is thought to be airworthy and is currently located in the Flying Heritage Collection at Paine Field in Everett, Washington. This aircraft is one of the few existing Fw 190s with a provenance that can be traced continuously from its manufacture to the present time.[56]
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At least they got rid of that stupid crossbar on the canopy.
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The Rheinmetall Borsig mk 108 "Pnuematic Hammer" was cheap to produce and light, It was far from the optimum air to air weapon. and was installed in fighters set up for bomber intercept not air superiority. "fighter v fighter". Many Luftwaffe pilots hated It. The mk 103 a much better weapon , but was longer, heavier and more costly. hindsight what it is. Many experts sat 4 20mm in the 262 would have been a better choice do to the closing speed of the planes.
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we already have the 190-A8 190-D9 and the 190-F8--why do we need another 190-d or a or f model
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Easy question to answer -the A-9 is much faster at low-medium altitudes than the current A-8, it was more than 900 produced, had better oil ring cooler protection than the A-8.
The current A-8 can be caught by close to every late fighter found in the Melee arena, and can not turn with a bomb-loaded Lancaster.
How the A8 and the F8 can have the same performance with the F8:s ~200 kg weight disadvantage is still a mystery to me.
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I think that this whole forum section is very important, especially today : we are, HITECH is looking for new players and returning players. Hell, if we had only 10% returning players from the last 7 years, new server capacity(1000) would totaly be perfect as those 10% only would -easily- grant the required numbers : having new machines is exactly the reason why those players would return : many of them used actual planes/vehicles for so long they lost the "feeling" of planes/vehicles discovery when using them ; having new planes, even if produced in extremely low numbers, would bring us back those players. And i am not talking about blueprints machines, i'm talking about built ones, like the Mistel, the FW-190d-12, FW-190d-13, the Hummel, the Nashorn, etc...
Players refusing to let Aces High evolve is why numbers are so low today.
FW190-d13 in Museum
(https://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/2617240165.jpg) (https://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=2617240165.jpg)
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You wish we had that much control over what Hitech wants to do with his company.
Should have been there for the two years of the alpha\beta testing for AH3. We all hit Hitech with what we wanted him to do to his company. One or two things were implemented but, the impression was he had already been working on the idea and the player filled in something with their wish that helped him see it working in the game. After two years of testing, it was obvious we were there to test the new code against as many different PC's as possible and he already had a fully mature idea of what he wanted come day 1 go live.
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since I don't know metrics from a hole in the ground is the D12/13 or whatever it is-faster than the 190-d9-a8-f8- if it isn't why would we want it-even with the 30mm? JuSt Asking gentlemen, just wondering, just curious?
esp when there are other more AH worthy planes being asked for.
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since I don't know metrics from a hole in the ground is the D12/13 or whatever it is-faster than the 190-d9-a8-f8- if it isn't why would we want it-even with the 30mm? JuSt Asking gentlemen, just wondering, just curious?
esp when there are other more AH worthy planes being asked for.
Ta-152 guns in more or less a Dora? That's reason enough to want it. I do agree there's way better choices to add though, doesn't mean I wouldn't fly it if it were here.
Wiley.
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D-12/-13 had one cannon more and better altitude power than D-9
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Ta 152C instead.