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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: pinneket on January 07, 2015, 12:00:08 PM
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Fix the aircraft collision problem.When 2 plains collide they both should go down.Also u should get alittle perks for everything.
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You can only collide on your own PC, you can't collide on somebody else's PC. If you both collide you both get damaged. If only one got damaged it's because only one collided.
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Fix the aircraft collision problem.When 2 plains collide they both should go down
Actual online collision, P-51D rams a P-47.
Moment of impact on the P-51 pilot's computer:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ramponyfe_zps68464ed1.jpg)
Very same moment of impact as seen on the P-47 pilot's computer:
(note the white text "Lusche has collided with you")
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ramp47fe_zps40fa9a20.jpg)
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Read the section titled "how lag effects Aces High"
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Actual online collision, P-51D rams a P-47.
Moment of impact on the P-51 pilot's computer:
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ramponyfe_zps68464ed1.jpg)
Very same moment of impact as seen on the P-47 pilot's computer:
(note the white text "Lusche has collided with you")
(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/ramp47fe_zps40fa9a20.jpg)
Good thing this ain't no Horse Racing Simulator. Folks would be murderin' each other over a differnce like that.
Coogan
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Read the section titled "how lag effects Aces High"
^ this
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I've always felt collisions should either be counted for both or none.
Meaning for a collision to take place it would have to be seen on both ends. If one side doesnt see a collision then it didnt happen
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the curious thing to me is that I can avoid a collision easily, but yet sometimes I'll be chasing a guy and my wing falls off. turns out he was actually behind me. I can avoid one but not the other.
to me both should be equal if i can avoid crashing into him then I should avoid him shooting me down. then again there's not really a way to solve either one. so what we have is what we get. no easy fix and that's that.
semp
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I've always felt collisions should either be counted for both or none.
Meaning for a collision to take place it would have to be seen on both ends. If one side doesnt see a collision then it didnt happen
That would likely encourage some people to fly through you to shoot you. The current system encourages you to avoid collisions.
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I would think statistically speaking, giving a long enough sample period, the same person would lose the collision half the time and win half the time.
Now the question is, how many collisions does one player have vs another. Might be a neat scoring add on. How well do you avoid collisions.
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That would likely encourage some people to fly through you to shoot you. The current system encourages you to avoid collisions.
Not really. Unless one can predict what the other sides end sees ahead of time. Its still quite a bit of a gamble.
Might cut down on some of the collisions. But most of the ones I get are two sided
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But most of the ones I get are two sided
Most I (European player with somewhat greater ping) get are one sided, so I could gamble on a far higher probability of being able to 'game' it. Especially when attacking bombers, where there's a very high chance that I could fly guns blazing through my victim.
As it is now, if I fly into my enemy I take damage, if I avoid that I do not.
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the curious thing to me is that I can avoid a collision easily, but yet sometimes I'll be chasing a guy and my wing falls off. turns out he was actually behind me. I can avoid one but not the other.
to me both should be equal if i can avoid crashing into him then I should avoid him shooting me down. then again there's not really a way to solve either one. so what we have is what we get. no easy fix and that's that.
I challenge this one.
The way the collision system works is only based on what is happening on YOUR computer. If you see the opponent in front of you, then that is where he is, regardless of what is happening on his computer. You cannot take damage if he hits you on his computer, but you do not hit him on your computer.
The collision system is quite simple. If you avoid the collision, you do not take damage. If you do not avoid the collision, you take damage.
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Not really. Unless one can predict what the other sides end sees ahead of time. Its still quite a bit of a gamble.
Might cut down on some of the collisions. But most of the ones I get are two sided
Think about how collisions work. When you fly through somebody on your PC it's a collision 100% of the time.
That discourages flying through people to shoot them. You're asking to remove that guaranteed collision.
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A few questions to help fully understand the collision model.
Case 1
Player A's computer shows a collision with Player B. Player B's computer does not.
In case 1, will Player B never be damaged? Will player A always take damage?
Case 2
Player A's computer shows a collision with Player B. Player B's computer shows a collision with Player A.
In Case 2 will both players always have damage?
Case 3
Player A is a very bad person. He intentionally dives straight into player B's level flying bomber on Player A's computer
Is blame assessed in a collision?
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A few questions to help fully understand the collision model.
Case 1
Player A's computer shows a collision with Player B. Player B's computer does not.
In case 1, will Player B never be damaged? Will player A always take damage?
Yes / Yes, but depending on location it could be superficial or not directly visible to the enemy
Case 2
Player A's computer shows a collision with Player B. Player B's computer shows a collision with Player A.
In Case 2 will both players always have damage?
Yes, but again the degree may vary.
Case 3
Player A is a very bad person. He intentionally dives straight into player B's level flying bomber on Player A's computer
Is blame assessed in a collision?
No.
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The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.
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The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.
Um. No. The collision model is actually one of the most brilliant designs of the game. No, you can't game it. Your story is bs. Yes, the U.S. did put a man on the moon. No, those aren't chem-trails. :D :cheers:
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Um. No. The collision model is actually one of the most brilliant designs of the game. No, you can't game it. Your story is bs. Yes, the U.S. did put a man on the moon. No, those aren't chem-trails. :D :cheers:
You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.
If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.
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You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.
If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.
No. Prove it. Better yet, report it without the public spectacle. More importantly, when you receive the official response that explains how your perception is off, pay attention. ;) :cheers:
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Does anyone have the flow chart?
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No. Prove it. Better yet, report it without the public spectacle. More importantly, when you receive the official response that explains how your perception is off, pay attention. ;) :cheers:
Not sure why you can't grasp such a simple concept. There's no response from anyone needed. It happened whether you want to believe it or not. You're arguing with a guy that could take down a tiger with a jeep. Taking down bombers with the CM is totally doable to.
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Not sure why you can't grasp such a simple concept. There's no response from anyone needed. It happened whether you want to believe it or not. You're arguing with a guy that could take down a tiger with a jeep. Taking down bombers with the CM is totally doable to.
I'm sorry, the simple concept really is that you cannot see what the other player sees on his pc. You do not know where your plane is on his end. Those occasions when you claim to have picked just the right spot of air to fly though to make the other guy receive collision damage while you don't are happenstance. If not, do it three times this week and submit the film to HTC. Those moments where you collided on your front end because you misjudged and the lag wasn't that great and on the other player's end it also shows you collided with him are just bad flying. Don't bother filming that, I'll believe you and so will everyone else.
Short version, the simple concept you aren't understanding is lag and the only fair solution for it.
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Not sure why you can't grasp such a simple concept. There's no response from anyone needed. It happened whether you want to believe it or not. You're arguing with a guy that could take down a tiger with a jeep. Taking down bombers with the CM is totally doable to.
Is it possible, I guess so, can you do it reliably, I doubt it very much. If it can be gamed, go into the game and film 4 instances of you doing it. I'll give you all day tomorrow too to try and do it. Cya monday with your list of excuses as to why you couldn't get it done.
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Is it possible, I guess so, can you do it reliably, I doubt it very much. If it can be gamed, go into the game and film 4 instances of you doing it. I'll give you all day tomorrow too to try and do it. Cya monday with your list of excuses as to why you couldn't get it done.
Dude I haven't had an account in a year as of this month. Lol
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I'm sorry, the simple concept really is that you cannot see what the other player sees on his pc. You do not know where your plane is on his end. Those occasions when you claim to have picked just the right spot of air to fly though to make the other guy receive collision damage while you don't are happenstance. If not, do it three times this week and submit the film to HTC. Those moments where you collided on your front end because you misjudged and the lag wasn't that great and on the other player's end it also shows you collided with him are just bad flying. Don't bother filming that, I'll believe you and so will everyone else.
Short version, the simple concept you aren't understanding is lag and the only fair solution for it.
Thank you captain obvious. Of course I can't see what the other guy sees. It's not some random thing but like I already said it doesn't work every single time either and I'm not claiming it does. I'm just saying it can and has been done.
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My only complaint has always been about flying bombers level, someone swoops down on you they don't get the collision but you do; no way to avoid that.
Well the same thing actually happened to me in a ftr yesterday. I was trying to land on the CV and someone came at me, and I collided, only I was going forward, they weren't headed my direction, but crossing in some way; I got the collision, they did not. I never saw him coming; nothing I could do to avoid it.
I saved the film if anyone disputes...
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My only complaint has always been about flying bombers level, someone swoops down on you they don't get the collision but you do; no way to avoid that.
Well the same thing actually happened to me in a ftr yesterday. I was trying to land on the CV and someone came at me, and I collided, only I was going forward, they weren't headed my direction, but crossing in some way; I got the collision, they did not. I never saw him coming; nothing I could do to avoid it.
I saved the film if anyone disputes...
Fugitive, Arlo. There's all the proof you need right there in the first sentence.
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You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.
If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.
it can be done, but how do you know the other player's computer is lagging? it's more like why waste a pass on bombers just in case they see a collision but I dont. why not just go in weapons hot and blow them up? seems for efficient.
semp
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Fugitive, Arlo. There's all the proof you need right there in the first sentence.
Um. That's not proof.
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If somebody wants to wiggle back in forth in front of my Mossie's guns trying to find where I am in relation to him on my FE so as to collide with me on my FE instead of just shooting me, I'll happily explain to him the error of his ways with my four Hispanos.
If HiTech (in Fort Worth, TX) were trying to do that to Bruv (in the UK) and I (in Austin, TX) he would have two entirely different gaps to predict. Unless you know where the other player is from you're guessing at how much latency there is.
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The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.
The majority of the players enjoy the simulation.
Look at Lusches reply to my questions. Thanks Lusche.
I keep thinking adding scoring to collisions might help. Might add a bit of incentive to some to avoid collisions.
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You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.
If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.
Chaser - with all due respect - as that line I use in my signature says, "The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'." :salute
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Dude I haven't had an account in a year as of this month. Lol
Then obviously your information may be a bit out of date :rolleyes:
Fugitive, Arlo. There's all the proof you need right there in the first sentence.
.... and as I said it is possible, but you can't do it in a reliable fashion. Thats why I gave you a full day to do it. I doubt you could get it on film once in a day of flying.
My only complaint has always been about flying bombers level, someone swoops down on you they don't get the collision but you do; no way to avoid that.
Well the same thing actually happened to me in a ftr yesterday. I was trying to land on the CV and someone came at me, and I collided, only I was going forward, they weren't headed my direction, but crossing in some way; I got the collision, they did not. I never saw him coming; nothing I could do to avoid it.
I saved the film if anyone disputes...
I'd love to see the film. Often what one remembers from a "fight" is often far different from what really happened. I'm not saying you could have avoided him or anything but the circumstances of the collision may be a bit different than what you remember.
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Yesterday I had a P51 collide with my P-38 on the deck. I think his closer speed was much higher than he thought. He went down. I went on without a scratch. That was fare. He made a mistake and paid for it. I did not make a mistake so i went on. I have done the same thing to slower flying planes and I have crashed. My bad.
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See Rule #4
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See Rule #4
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Hard to be out of date when the so called "perfect system" hasn't changed a bit in years don't you think?
I will say it again because apparently you'd rather keep jumping to conclusions rather than read my posts. I never said it could be done EVERY SINGLE TIME! Jesus freakin Christ, why can't yall understand that?
Obviously it's not the most efficient way to down bombers but it was funnier than hell to try to down bombers without ever firing a shot. Sometimes it worked, sometimes it didn't. But it is definitely doable.
Have I made myself clear yet because I don't think I can dumb it down for you any farther.
It's your wording, it is NOT doable, but it can happen. You can NOT say/do a pass on a buff and say with any certainty they "they" will get a collision and you will not. Your original post....
The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.
So it is NOT easily gamable, nor is the "whole system" BS just because you had it happen to you.
As for changes, nothing has changed in the internet with more and more fiber than there was a year ago, nor has the technology change in the past year with network hardware and software. There is more involved in this than just the game.
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See rule #4
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The collision model is a compromise, the best one possible. It's a purey "what you see is what you geat", i.e. if you amage to avoid a collision, you wont get one.
Every other proposal that has ever come is much worse, it's either inconsistent in the results, or way, way more 'gameable' than the one we currently have.
- Collisions off means planes fly guns blazing through each other. This is particularly horrible for buffs
- "Both go down" means you can't realyl avoid collisions anymore, even as you avoid the enemy on your screen you still get a "collided". See the picture I posted earlier which depicts a typical "1- sided" collision.
- "collision only when both collide" makes collisions random and, unlike the current model, strats to give different overall results to players with different connections.
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Then obviously your information may be a bit out of date :rolleyes:
.... and as I said it is possible, but you can't do it in a reliable fashion. Thats why I gave you a full day to do it. I doubt you could get it on film once in a day of flying.
I'd love to see the film. Often what one remembers from a "fight" is often far different from what really happened. I'm not saying you could have avoided him or anything but the circumstances of the collision may be a bit different than what you remember.
What is the best way to upload fim? I dont have photobucket etc.
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I think I understand chaser's point. As an analogy, it's possible to win the lottery. You won't win it every time but it's a fun way to make money. Since winning the lottery means you don't have to work it proves that working is stupid and people that work are stupid. When you need money just win the lottery. I hope I dumbed that down enough. :D
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Hard to be out of date when the so called "perfect system" hasn't changed a bit in years don't you think?
it's a perfect system because as people's connections get better and better, it automatically works better and better.. (more like your "both take damage" result)
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What is the best way to upload fim? I dont have photobucket etc.
AHFs may be added as an attachment in the film forum
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it's a perfect system because as people's connections get better and better, it automatically works better and better.. (more like your "both take damage" result)
Exactly! But that won't work until there is a global, perfectly instantaneous internet for everyone everywhere. I see things creeping in that direction. I remember being on dialup not that godawful long ago and that sucked a lot more. That was pretty much everyone else's connection too. But we're all still light years away from that perfect internet place and that's if it's even achieveable. Eventually, if and when that happens, then yeah both would take damage. Theoretically everyone's FE would match up and it'd work. But until then it is what it is and this is the best that can be done. My connection on the East coast USA is going to be different than yours or someone in the UK's or one of the Aussies. Even people local to me have stuff happening to the infrastructure that hoses their connection relative mine--or vice versa. Big storm system somewhere in the central US? Kaboom! Things are all over the place. It amazes me how people just can't seem to factor this in in 2015. The internet isn't some new thing. All one would have to do is run ping plotter to a random IP address and watch the lag change in the hops from run to run.
Gotta love how a guy who admittedly isn't even a paying customer is allowed to come post to these forums that the game can be easily "hacked" like this. Now THAT'S something I'm sure can be fixed!
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Taking down bombers with the CM is totally doable to.
Makes bold statement
Dude I haven't had an account in a year as of this month. Lol
Admit's he doesn't play...
(https://sabarton.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/trollsdonotfeedmemecenter.jpg)
I will state that I have never received damage when I didn't see (or fail to see), my cartoon plane hit another object. I like it that way.
Will collisions happen, yes, can I avoid almost ALL of them, yes. If you collide and take damage, stop hitting stuff. Get some skillz man, and quit the complaining. HTC has made the best possible solution and if you don't comprehend it, there is nothing I or anyone else can do to change your mind. I promise, the most ardent complainers of the CM would be the first to cry the blues when they missed the plane, and exploded anyway... :aok
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AHFs may be added as an attachment in the film forum
Cool I'll watch the film to see if I need to cut the length, as of course the collision is at the very end. I think I cursed with collision too, prolly need to cut that out.
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This one took an abnormal turn from the regular collision threads.
But it appears to be cooked and turning into a flame fest so its done.
HiTech