fix aircraft collision

[Lusche]

A few questions to help fully understand the collision model.

Case 1
Player A's computer shows a collision with Player B.  Player B's computer does not. 
In case 1, will Player B never be damaged?  Will player A always take damage?

Yes / Yes, but depending on location it could be superficial or not directly visible to the enemy

Case 2
Player A's computer shows a collision with Player B.  Player B's computer shows a collision with Player A.
In Case 2 will both players always have damage?

Yes, but again the degree may vary.

Case 3
Player A is a very bad person.  He intentionally dives straight into player B's level flying bomber on Player A's computer
Is blame assessed in a collision? 

No.

[chaser]

The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.

[Arlo]

The CM will always be one of the biggest downfalls of AH. If one really knows what they're doing is easily gamable. I used a P51 to down two out of three bombers by diving just in front of their nose with a laggy connection. I missed on my screen but I was a little farther behind on their screen and collided. Granted most players don't know how to do that.. The whole system is still BS.

Um. No. The collision model is actually one of the most brilliant designs of the game. No, you can't game it. Your story is bs. Yes, the U.S. did put a man on the moon. No, those aren't chem-trails.  

[chaser]

Um. No. The collision model is actually one of the most brilliant designs of the game. No, you can't game it. Your story is bs. Yes, the U.S. did put a man on the moon. No, those aren't chem-trails.  

You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.

If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.

[Arlo]

You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.

If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.

No. Prove it. Better yet, report it without the public spectacle. More importantly, when you receive the official response that explains how your perception is off, pay attention. 

[Dragon Tamer]

Does anyone have the flow chart?

[chaser]

No. Prove it. Better yet, report it without the public spectacle. More importantly, when you receive the official response that explains how your perception is off, pay attention. 

Not sure why you can't grasp such a simple concept. There's no response from anyone needed. It happened whether you want to believe it or not. You're arguing with a guy that could take down a tiger with a jeep. Taking down bombers with the CM is totally doable to.

[Arlo]

Not sure why you can't grasp such a simple concept. There's no response from anyone needed. It happened whether you want to believe it or not. You're arguing with a guy that could take down a tiger with a jeep. Taking down bombers with the CM is totally doable to.

I'm sorry, the simple concept really is that you cannot see what the other player sees on his pc. You do not know where your plane is on his end. Those occasions when you claim to have picked just the right spot of air to fly though to make the other guy receive collision damage while you don't are happenstance. If not, do it three times this week and submit the film to HTC. Those moments where you collided on your front end because you misjudged and the lag wasn't that great and on the other player's end it also shows you collided with him are just bad flying. Don't bother filming that, I'll believe you and so will everyone else.

Short version, the simple concept you aren't understanding is lag and the only fair solution for it.

[The Fugitive]

Not sure why you can't grasp such a simple concept. There's no response from anyone needed. It happened whether you want to believe it or not. You're arguing with a guy that could take down a tiger with a jeep. Taking down bombers with the CM is totally doable to.

Is it possible, I guess so, can you do it reliably, I doubt it very much. If it can be gamed, go into the game and film 4 instances of you doing it. I'll give you all day tomorrow too to try and do it. Cya monday with your list of excuses as to why you couldn't get it done.

[chaser]

Is it possible, I guess so, can you do it reliably, I doubt it very much. If it can be gamed, go into the game and film 4 instances of you doing it. I'll give you all day tomorrow too to try and do it. Cya monday with your list of excuses as to why you couldn't get it done.

Dude I haven't had an account in a year as of this month. Lol

[chaser]

I'm sorry, the simple concept really is that you cannot see what the other player sees on his pc. You do not know where your plane is on his end. Those occasions when you claim to have picked just the right spot of air to fly though to make the other guy receive collision damage while you don't are happenstance. If not, do it three times this week and submit the film to HTC. Those moments where you collided on your front end because you misjudged and the lag wasn't that great and on the other player's end it also shows you collided with him are just bad flying. Don't bother filming that, I'll believe you and so will everyone else.

Short version, the simple concept you aren't understanding is lag and the only fair solution for it.

Thank you captain obvious. Of course I can't see what the other guy sees. It's not some random thing but like I already said it doesn't work every single time either and I'm not claiming it does. I'm just saying it can and has been done.

[RotBaron]

My only complaint has always been about flying bombers level, someone swoops down on you they don't get the collision but you do; no way to avoid that.

Well the same thing actually happened to me in a ftr yesterday. I was trying to land on the CV and someone came at me, and I collided, only I was going forward, they weren't headed my direction, but crossing in some way; I got the collision, they did not. I never saw him coming; nothing I could do to avoid it.

I saved the film if anyone disputes...

[chaser]

My only complaint has always been about flying bombers level, someone swoops down on you they don't get the collision but you do; no way to avoid that.

Well the same thing actually happened to me in a ftr yesterday. I was trying to land on the CV and someone came at me, and I collided, only I was going forward, they weren't headed my direction, but crossing in some way; I got the collision, they did not. I never saw him coming; nothing I could do to avoid it.

I saved the film if anyone disputes...

Fugitive, Arlo. There's all the proof you need right there in the first sentence.

[guncrasher]

You're ignorant if you think that can't be done. I can't remember who it was, but someone else here on the forums has spoke of doing it to. Did it work everytime? No. But playing on laggy bellybutton like mine sure helped.

If it makes you feel any better, I died on that sortie when I misjudged the last dive and collided with the last bomber.

it can be done, but how do you know the other player's computer is lagging?  it's more like why waste a pass on bombers just in case they see a collision but I dont.  why not just go in weapons hot and blow them up?  seems for efficient.

semp

[Arlo]

Fugitive, Arlo. There's all the proof you need right there in the first sentence.

Um. That's not proof.