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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flench on March 09, 2015, 01:27:28 PM
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Is it cheaper to reload your own ammo ? Like in my 270 cal rifle ? I know it use to be when I reloaded shot shells but that was back in the 90's . The way it stands now it don't take but a few minutes or more to burn up $100 worth of ammo and that's keeping me from shooting as much as I would like .
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Is it cheaper to reload your own ammo ? Like in my 270 cal rifle ? I know it use to be when I reloaded shot shells but that was back in the 90's . The way it stands now it don't take but a few minutes or more to burn up $100 worth of ammo and that's keeping me from shooting as much as I would like .
Yes.
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Guess I well start looking at prices on what all I need .
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Broad generalities from someone who doesn't reload but who has looked into it as a possible future hobby:
Semi-expensive for initial setup. You need to buy some stuff.
You need a work area with correct precautions (anti-static, etc).
You need to spend time educating yourself.
If you care at all about consistency/accuracy, you need to slow down (at first) and document the heck out of your process.
You need to research materials to figure out what is suitable, and then find a supplier that will be around for a long time since any time you change something, the bullets won't go out the bang stick in quite the same way.
You need to adjust your materials and build process to match your desired outcome. If you want to hand load to save money, you need to buy in bulk and don't get wrapped up around buying the latest and greatest materials. Get cheaper bullets and other parts that give you the desired consistency without making it all cost more than just buying boxed ammo.
On the other hand if you are hand loading for accuracy, you need to both do your research, and also actually build some ammo and go try them out to figure out what works best in your gun, then do it that exact same way until you intentionally change something to get a different result. Consistent supply can be an issue so don't get some weird premium ammo from a company that will quit making it in a year or two.
I know a guy at work who hand loads all his pistol ammo, using recycled lead and brass. He takes a trip to various open ranges with a shovel, bucket, and a couple of sizes of sorting mesh to rough sort the brass while he's out there. He'll shovel the brass (and dirt and cigarette butts, etc) onto each kind of mesh over the bucket, and in an hour or two he can bring back a few buckets full of whatever brass he's out looking for, assuming the place hasn't already been picked clean that week by recyclers. He has a friend who works in a tire store, so he gets pretty much all the free used tire weight lead he wants so he only has to buy any alloying metals and flux to get it to separate properly. He buys lube, and he had to invest in some decent quality tools. After the first few hundred bullets to break in the molds, he can crank out a couple hundred nearly pure lead bullets in an evening, including lube and prepping to be pressed into the casing. Cleaning/sorting brass takes some time since he has to size each casing by hand, but he has a tumbler to clean them and his measuring gadget is partially automated. He has various tools to make this all fairly easy and consistent, even though it remains labor intensive.
But he can crank out several hundred rounds in just a few1-2 hour evening sessions, for the cost of powder, primers, cleaning supplies for cleaning the brass, and bullet lube. The lead and casings are free except for his time and gas spent to go get itm so he's saving a TON of money since he likes to shoot a lot. But they're certainly not specialty bullets, just a reasonably consistent solid lead slug with either a hint of some alloy to help avoid fouling, or some sort of surface treatment (I can't remember what he does exactly). When he gets on a roll he'll crank out hundreds of rounds at a time. He doesn't have kids so he can set this stuff up anywhere in his apartment/house and not worry about the kids getting into it, but I imagine he had to do something about ventilation when he melts down the lead.
Someone hand loading for accuracy or competition will probably have a significantly different approach to all of that.
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Broad generalities from someone who doesn't reload but who has looked into it as a possible future hobby:
Semi-expensive for initial setup. You need to buy some stuff.
You need a work area with correct precautions (anti-static, etc).
You need to spend time educating yourself.
If you care at all about consistency/accuracy, you need to slow down (at first) and document the heck out of your process.
You need to research materials to figure out what is suitable, and then find a supplier that will be around for a long time since any time you change something, the bullets won't go out the bang stick in quite the same way.
You need to adjust your materials and build process to match your desired outcome. If you want to hand load to save money, you need to buy in bulk and don't get wrapped up around buying the latest and greatest materials. Get cheaper bullets and other parts that give you the desired consistency without making it all cost more than just buying boxed ammo.
On the other hand if you are hand loading for accuracy, you need to both do your research, and also actually build some ammo and go try them out to figure out what works best in your gun, then do it that exact same way until you intentionally change something to get a different result. Consistent supply can be an issue so don't get some weird premium ammo from a company that will quit making it in a year or two.
I know a guy at work who hand loads all his pistol ammo, using recycled lead and brass. He takes a trip to various open ranges with a shovel, bucket, and a couple of sizes of sorting mesh to rough sort the brass while he's out there. He'll shovel the brass (and dirt and cigarette butts, etc) onto each kind of mesh over the bucket, and in an hour or two he can bring back a few buckets full of whatever brass he's out looking for, assuming the place hasn't already been picked clean that week by recyclers. He has a friend who works in a tire store, so he gets pretty much all the free used tire weight lead he wants so he only has to buy any alloying metals and flux to get it to separate properly. He buys lube, and he had to invest in some decent quality tools. After the first few hundred bullets to break in the molds, he can crank out a couple hundred nearly pure lead bullets in an evening, including lube and prepping to be pressed into the casing. Cleaning/sorting brass takes some time since he has to size each casing by hand, but he has a tumbler to clean them and his measuring gadget is partially automated. He has various tools to make this all fairly easy and consistent, even though it remains labor intensive.
But he can crank out several hundred rounds in just a few1-2 hour evening sessions, for the cost of powder, primers, cleaning supplies for cleaning the brass, and bullet lube. The lead and casings are free except for his time and gas spent to go get itm so he's saving a TON of money since he likes to shoot a lot. But they're certainly not specialty bullets, just a reasonably consistent solid lead slug with either a hint of some alloy to help avoid fouling, or some sort of surface treatment (I can't remember what he does exactly). When he gets on a roll he'll crank out hundreds of rounds at a time. He doesn't have kids so he can set this stuff up anywhere in his apartment/house and not worry about the kids getting into it, but I imagine he had to do something about ventilation when he melts down the lead.
Someone hand loading for accuracy or competition will probably have a significantly different approach to all of that.
Thanks for the info . I mostly well be reloading for my BAR270 . It has the BOSS system on it so I can dial in pretty much any weight bullet I want to shoot out of it but I like a light load around 130 gr . Nice tip about the weights . I well have to check that out and get me some up .
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and just remember to keep safety at the forefront of all.
least ways that's what my dad used to say when he did his own.
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and just remember to keep safety at the forefront of all.
least ways that's what my dad used to say when he did his own.
That's for sure . Been down that road when I shot skeet all the time and reloaded AA hulls . Needless to say it's not safe to smoke and do it , lol .
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I reload rifle ammunition, and find it much cheaper. There are a few wildcat cartridges I load that can run up to, or more than $100/20 rounds (7.82 Warbird and .338 Titan) I also load the normal calibers as I like to be able to tweek the loads for different rifles. For rifle reloading I use all manual equipment. I have a regular RCBS press that works perfectly. It's more work than a progressive, but I'm really an-al when it comes to my rifle reloads.
For pistol (38,9mm,45,357sig) I use a Dillon progressive that's dynamite. It is definately cheaper then buying ammo, but the investment at first can be expensive. That said I have 2 full auto guns in 9mm and 45 that would break the bank on me if I had to buy ammo.
I reload .270 so if you would like some data I've collected over the years I'd be glad to share it with you. My 2 270 rifles (Paul Jaeger Custom and Pre 64Win Mod 70 Supergrade) are tack drivers at 200yrds. (I'm a junkie when it comes to high end rifles, but they are very good investments)
I really like that BOSS system, been looking at an Abolt with it, but man does it make them loud....LOL Can't seem to decide between that or a J Rigby &Son in .416 a friend wants to sell me.
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We reload as well, just have a rcbs rockchucker press, nothing fancy but it gets job done. I think we paid like 200 for press, scale, powder trickler, and a few other small items. be very cautious about static electricity :old:, a friend had a static discharge and ignited the powder in his trickler. reloading is awesome, you can fine tune your rounds to your gun.
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Its cheaper and you will enter a new era in accuracy with a commitment to precision reloading. The .270 is a great round to reload, by all means go for it and learn all you can.
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I really like that BOSS system, been looking at an Abolt with it, but man does it make them loud....LOL Can't seem to decide between that or a J Rigby &Son in .416 a friend wants to sell me.
I have an A-Bolt 7mm rem magnum with the BOSS. The boss is awesome with that. The recoil energy is spread over a longer duration which makes it a lot more fun to shoot more than a couple rounds at a time. The downside is as you say, a louder report with more "impact" coming back at you through the air, and if you're prone on dirt it'll kick up a lot of dust unless you put a towel or something under the dangerous end of the barrel.
If I ever take up reloading it'll be because of that 7mm... Expensive gun to shoot, couple bucks per shot using decent boxed ammo. The nice thing about the 7mm and why I bought it, was the vast flexibility of the thing. I can shoot lighter bullets, maybe boat-tail with a ballistic nylon tip, and take light game at insane ranges, or load up heavier rounds and take down a moose, still at a pretty long range. The first day I ever shot it, I sighted it in at 300 yards. After tuning, from a simple sandbag on a table seated-position rest I got 4 consecutive 1.5 inch 3-shot groups at 300 yards. Crazy accurate and flat shooting.
The major downside is that the BOSS makes the barrel longer and heavier. The abolt I got (stainless stalker) has a lightweight black composite stock but the gun is still pretty large and heavy.
If I ever get into reloading it'll be for the 7mm, .40 S&W, and maybe .223 if prices and supply remain strange. I have a tiny 380 auto but don't plan on ever shooting enough with the pocket pistol to need reloads to lower cost.
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Yep I agree Eagl, my Buddie loads a 110gr Barnes TTSX for varmint hunting, and then turn around and loads a 180gr Berger VLD for Elk, he got a huge 7x6 last year, dropped it like a sack of potatoes. His varmint loads are just a sight to behold. He has it sighted dead on at 250......the only way to punch paper more accurately would be to walk up to the target and do it with your finger. He shoots it out of his Sako Bavarian Carbine. (Think a Sako with a Mannlicher-Shoenauer full length stock with the deep Euro comb drop) thing of beauty.
Is it wrong that I get the chills thinking about nice rifles?
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Thanks for the info men , mbailey , send me that 270 info when you can .
One has to be careful when shooting the BOSS , my long time big game hunting buddy learned to stay behind me when we go to take down a running deer . He shoot's the 270 to but his does no have the BOSS on it . Sometimes I wish I can take it off from my ears ringing after a day shooting it .
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I started reloading .243 this winter for coyote rounds. We've had good supply of ammo until early this winter. I went to cabelas and picked the last box of .243 they had. They havent had much for stock since then. Nor has any other sporting store or Walmart here. Last week I was in, they were completely sold out of all powder, now there is no supply of ammo or powder, even bullet selection is getting thin. Premium grade bullets are gone, and just second choice stuff left. Plenty of supply for factory load larger caliber ammo, just nothing really for .243 and smaller.
Reloading is a lot simpler than I thought it would be. I have a lee classic press and am very happy with the end product. Consistent shot groups and its quite fun and rewarding building a higher grade round. Get yourself a chronograph if don't already, you'll need it to get the max potential from powder/bullet combinations.
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I got one case left of .243 but I don't shoot it as much as I do my Browning 270 . That's the best rifle I have ever shot . Just wish I could put a bigger mag in it but if I did I probable melt the barrel ,.
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Thanks for the info men , mbailey , send me that 270 info when you can .
One has to be careful when shooting the BOSS , my long time big game hunting buddy learned to stay behind me when we go to take down a running deer . He shoot's the 270 to but his does no have the BOSS on it . Sometimes I wish I can take it off from my ears ringing after a day shooting it .
For shooting on the range you really need to go with double hearing protection. Good quality custom fit earplugs if you can find them (foamies are better than nothing though) and good quality external ear protection over the ears.
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1. Get yourself published reloading data from reliable sources. IMR, Hodgden, Speer, Nosler, etc.
2. Never exceed published loads. Even though the loads are designed to fire in servicable firearms from all eras, don't push it in you modern BAR.
3. Your BAR will be more sensitive to pressure than a bolt action in the same caliber.
4. Buy new brass to start and reuse those. Keep track off how many times you've fired each case. I kept plastic bins labeled new, 1, 2, etc
5. Get good equipment. I prefer RCBS, but there are others just as good. I recommend a solid press, case trimmer, flash hole deburr tool, scale, primer set tool, tumbler, powder funnel and case debur tool.
6. Always trim and debut new cases. You will get better results at the range.
7. Automated powder chargers have come a long way, but I always preferred to spoon my loads to the exact charge.
8. If these are huntting loads, start at least 5 grains under max published load and work up in half grain increments. I always built 5 rounds per given load and headed to the range. Fires from sandbags and recorded the results.
9. Not mandatory, but I recommend a chronograph. It will tell you a lot about your loads.
10. Watch for tell tell excessive pressure signs. Flattened primers, cases that "stretch" after firing, etc.
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One other thing I liked to do - o weighed each individual bullet and case. I rarely had a good bullet have any variation, but it happened. You will see variation in cases. If they are more than 2-4 grains out from the batch, toss them. Heavier case means more pressure and variation when you are printing holes on paper.
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Thanks ammo , When I was reloading AA hulls . I was putting 4 grams of blue dot powder in them backed with number 4's and it finely tore that browning light 12 all to pieces . Lucky I did not blow it up .
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Flench, keep in mind that for the rifle you won't be able to shoot cast bullets at your normal velocity, only reduced loads. They will lead the barrel very very badly otherwise. You will need to buy jacketed bullets to get normal velocities in the rifle.
Secondly the max velocity is almost never the max accurate load. It is never the most economical either in the cost of powder or case longevity not to mention wear and tear on the rifle. A long time ago I stopped worrying about getting the max velocity and only concern myself with getting an accurate load.
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Flench, keep in mind that for the rifle you won't be able to shoot cast bullets at your normal velocity, only reduced loads. They will lead the barrel very very badly otherwise. You will need to buy jacketed bullets to get normal velocities in the rifle.
Secondly the max velocity is almost never the max accurate load. It is never the most economical either in the cost of powder or case longevity not to mention wear and tear on the rifle. A long time ago I stopped worrying about getting the max velocity and only concern myself with getting an accurate load.
I see . Thanks Maverick
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For shooting on the range you really need to go with double hearing protection. Good quality custom fit earplugs if you can find them (foamies are better than nothing though) and good quality external ear protection over the ears.
I finally got use to wearing those foamies back when I ran a printing press all the time . I use them now when I am out just shooting (have to with the BOSS system] but where it get;s me is that I can't wear them while hunting and that is where I am getting my hearing damaged now .
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Thanks ammo , When I was reloading AA hulls . I was putting 4 grams of blue dot powder in them backed with number 4's and it finely tore that browning light 12 all to pieces . Lucky I did not blow it up .
Never ever try a load you read from a post on a flight sim forum! Having said that - I loaded some ammo for a buddy who used a BAR in 270. It was accurate for his rifle and safe. I can't recall the exact amount of powder but I used IMR4831 with a 130 grain Nosler BT (yellow tip) with CCI match primers. I think it was around 50 grains of powder.
Eventually you will read that you can build a more accurate load by measuring and seating the bullet to match your rifle's distance to the rifling lands. Don't try that with your BAR. You will likely having feeding problems or worse.
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Never ever try a load you read from a post on a flight sim forum! Having said that - I loaded some ammo for a buddy who used a BAR in 270. It was accurate for his rifle and safe. I can't recall the exact amount of powder but I used IMR4831 with a 130 grain Nosler BT (yellow tip) with CCI match primers. I think it was around 50 grains of powder.
Eventually you will read that you can build a more accurate load by measuring and seating the bullet to match your rifle's distance to the rifling lands. Don't try that with your BAR. You will likely having feeding problems or worse.
Right on <S>
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I finally got use to wearing those foamies back when I ran a printing press all the time . I use them now when I am out just shooting (have to with the BOSS system] but where it get;s me is that I can't wear them while hunting and that is where I am getting my hearing damaged now .
If you're shooting that rifle enough while actually hunting to cause serious hearing damage, you either need to work on your accuracy or open a market to sell all the meat you must be stockpiling :)
Seriously, what are you hunting that requires you to shoot that much? I'm curious. The few times I went hunting I expended maybe 3 rounds each time on actual game. The rest of the rounds expended were for fun/practice, with hearing protection in place.
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If you're shooting that rifle enough while actually hunting to cause serious hearing damage, you either need to work on your accuracy or open a market to sell all the meat you must be stockpiling :)
Seriously, what are you hunting that requires you to shoot that much? I'm curious. The few times I went hunting I expended maybe 3 rounds each time on actual game. The rest of the rounds expended were for fun/practice, with hearing protection in place.
Just a guess - he is shooting at white tails that are running from a pack of Walker hounds.
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Just a guess - he is shooting at white tails that are running from a pack of Walker hounds.
Right on the money ammo . I had a belt made back when I first got the gun that well hold two boxes and one mag and have been known to shoot it empty in a day .
EDIT: There is a lot of poor people down here in Mississippi and we give most of the deer to them . We killed way more than we needed .
WIsh I had a video camera back them . I have killed 2 deer running with one shot and have done this twice . Freaked me out , look like the deer split in half and another feel out , lol .
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you might need some of those reloads you thinkin of going over to Mid-East.......just a thought
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Roger that. I was in a club in Eastern NC (Hyde County) and that was the way we hunted 90% of the time. It's exciting when you hear the dogs come in to ear shot. Love that sound. I was the ONLY guy hunting with a bolt action ... LOL
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Roger that. I was in a club in Eastern NC (Hyde County) and that was the way we hunted 90% of the time. It's exciting when you hear the dogs come in to ear shot. Love that sound. I was the ONLY guy hunting with a bolt action ... LOL
Shoot ammo , that's what my long time hunting buddy is shooting a bolt action but he got it when I got mine 40 years ago and he can shoot that thing just as fast as I can my BAR . Both are 270 cal .
DaCoon , I was wondering about that . The three guy's that well be going are old friends that have hunted with me all there life and are really good shots . I was wondering if we can carry our own gun's . I rather shoot my BAR that the AK .
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Shoot ammo , that's what my long time hunting buddy is shooting a bolt action but he got it when I got mine 40 years ago and he can shoot that thing just as fast as I can my BAR . Both are 270 cal
I kept up. Most of my success is attributed to being in the right stand at the right time and I rarely needed more than the first shot. I hunted with a Winchester Midel 70 on 30-06. The action was smooth as glass and it was more accurate than I was.
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I kept up. Most of my success is attributed to being in the right stand at the right time and I rarely needed more than the first shot. I hunted with a Winchester Midel 70 on 30-06. The action was smooth as glass and it was more accurate than I was.
I hear ya . When it comes to deer hunting there is nothing like hearing those dog's coming your way . I was in charge of the dog's so my job was to walk them out until we jumped one , I uselessly get a mag shot off then on the jump , lol . but I could have another in the gun in just a few seconds with the belt I wear . Then it's hall buns back to the truck and try to beat them to the next crossing and maybe kill him there if not it's off to the next crossing and so on . So much fun . After I lost father in 2010 I have not hunted with dog's but am joining a club this year that does . Stand hunting is for the birds .
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Thanks for the info men , mbailey , send me that 270 info when you can .
One has to be careful when shooting the BOSS , my long time big game hunting buddy learned to stay behind me when we go to take down a running deer . He shoot's the 270 to but his does no have the BOSS on it . Sometimes I wish I can take it off from my ears ringing after a day shooting it .
You should have gotten a BOSS weight that doesnt also act as a recoil reducer, which is what causes all the xtra noise. The Browning rifles with BOSS come with two weights.
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You should have gotten a BOSS weight that doesnt also act as a recoil reducer, which is what causes all the xtra noise. The Browning rifles with BOSS come with two weights.
You lost me . Weights ? Someone told me here that there was a cover I could put over it some how . I got mine out of a pawn shop . Maybe why I did not get the weights ?
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Stand hunting is for the birds .
I always enjoyed the solitude. Most of my stand hunting has been with bow, and most of that is scrape hunting.
I dont just set up a stand. I try and pattern the buck, barring that I set up on high ways from bedding to feeding areas. I like taking a Doe or two cause I love venison,most of all the corn fed variety we have up here. I stand hunt on the ground and play wind and scent. People would be amazed at how close Ive had deer walk by me while im on the ground. Its the ultimate thrill.
Hunting deer with dogs? By golly a kind of hunting Ive never done. How would a lever gun with Ghost sights do for that?
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You lost me . Weights ? Someone told me here that there was a cover I could put over it some how . I got mine out of a pawn shop . Maybe why I did not get the weights ?
The "weight" is the thingamajig" at the end of the barrel that screws on and off and can be set to different settings. The settings control barrel Harmonics, or barrel "vibration" which gives you better shot to shot accuracy. A recoil reduction is only a secondary help and not much a one either. Shooting a .270 is nothing, you dont need a recoil reduction.
Here http://www.browning.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=107 read it from the Horses mouth. The BOSS is what allows me to shoot like this with a .338 Win Mag and custom reloads of my own making. The second group is the centered one after I made a slight adjustment on windage with my Vari-X-lll.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/.338_zpsfp5am6wg.jpg)
Notice how I wrote down a 5.2 setting for the BOSS?
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I always enjoyed the solitude. Most of my stand hunting has been with bow, and most of that is scrape hunting.
I dont just set up a stand. I try and pattern the buck, barring that I set up on high ways from bedding to feeding areas. I like taking a Doe or two cause I love venison,most of all the corn fed variety we have up here. I stand hunt on the ground and play wind and scent. People would be amazed at how close Ive had deer walk by me while im on the ground. Its the ultimate thrill.
Hunting deer with dogs? By golly a kind of hunting Ive never done. How would a lever gun with Ghost sights do for that?
You would love to hunt with dog's . It's all action ! Get's the old blood pumping when you hear them coming .
When I had my club I had guy's bring and shoot all kinds of gun's but you really need something in simi auto to get more lead down range . Like in a 30-06 / 243 / 270 .
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The "weight" is the thingamajig" at the end of the barrel that screws on and off and can be set to different settings. The settings control barrel Harmonics, or barrel "vibration" which gives you better shot to shot accuracy. A recoil reduction is only a secondary help and not much a one either. Shooting a .270 is nothing, you dont need a recoil reduction.
Here http://www.browning.com/customerservice/qna/detail.asp?id=107 read it from the Horses mouth. The BOSS is what allows me to shoot like this with a .338 Win Mag and custom reloads of my own making.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/.338_zpsfp5am6wg.jpg)
Notice how I wrote down a 5.2 setting for the BOSS?
Nice , I guess mine has the weight then . I like the Less recoil means quicker follow-up shots . Thanks for the link .
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Nice
Buy a second BOSS, the one thats only the weight. Learn how to use it and hone your reloads to your setting. Im philosophically against shooting long on big game cause I think its slob hunting and treasure our game to much. But this guy twitched right when I was letting go at a make able 350 yrds and I hit him an inch to far back. He was dead in 10 mins but we were close to a property line and didnt want to lose the meat to the damn neighbor "CO. is funny about that". So I had to take a long 2nd shot on him while he was moving with a hand loaded 225 grn Swift A-frame. I hit him right where shoulder meets neck at a lasered 475 yrds and tumbled him 100 yrds down a mountain slope.
Knowing that load, the rifle, and the BOSS, put this Bull in the freezer. Thats what handloading does for you. It gives you an intimate knowledge of both your ammo and your rifle.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/outdoors/elk-1.png)
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Buy a second BOSS, the one thats only the weight. Learn how to use it and hone your reloads to your setting. Im philosophically against shooting long on big game cause I think its slob hunting and treasure our game to much. But this guy twitched right when I was letting go at a make able 350 yrds and I hit him an inch to far back. He was dead in 10 mins but we were close to a property line and didnt want to lose the meat to the damn neighbor "CO. is funny about that". So I had to take a long 2nd shot on him while he was moving with a hand loaded 225 grn Swift A-frame. I hit him right where shoulder meets neck at a lasered 475 yrds and tumbled him 100 yrds down a mountain slope.
Knowing that load, the rifle, and the BOSS, put this Bull in the freezer. Thats what handloading does for you. It gives you an intimate knowledge of both your ammo and your rifle.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/outdoors/elk-1.png)
Very cool !!!
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Oh , I see now after watching the video . My BAR 270 has the Muzzle Brake on it . I mite need to invest in the conventional Brake and knock down on the blow back . It's so bad I have broke a side mirror on my truck from shooting out of it . Then I had the blow back to take some paint off the hood of my truck from laying across it .
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Buy a second BOSS, the one thats only the weight. Learn how to use it and hone your reloads to your setting. Im philosophically against shooting long on big game cause I think its slob hunting and treasure our game to much. But this guy twitched right when I was letting go at a make able 350 yrds and I hit him an inch to far back. He was dead in 10 mins but we were close to a property line and didnt want to lose the meat to the damn neighbor "CO. is funny about that". So I had to take a long 2nd shot on him while he was moving with a hand loaded 225 grn Swift A-frame. I hit him right where shoulder meets neck at a lasered 475 yrds and tumbled him 100 yrds down a mountain slope.
Knowing that load, the rifle, and the BOSS, put this Bull in the freezer. Thats what handloading does for you. It gives you an intimate knowledge of both your ammo and your rifle.
(http://i478.photobucket.com/albums/rr149/Rich46yo/outdoors/elk-1.png)
Very nice
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That'll be strictly up to the powers that be. in other words if your employer says no, then it's no. but I think in the last 13yrs they may have eased up a bit. that is definitely one question to ask at the time of interview.
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That'll be strictly up to the powers that be. in other words if your employer says no, then it's no. but I think in the last 13yrs they may have eased up a bit. that is definitely one question to ask at the time of interview.
For sure .
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Personally i dont use a muzzle break on any of my rifles. My herring is totally shot and really cant stand a blast back from any deer rifle.
I did reload but i have gotten away from super accurate shooting. We have been pig hunting so much that picking up cases isn't practical. I normally buy a case of 270 remington green box once a year and its plenty accurate. Shot a small pig last week on a south texas hunt at 648 yards. I use a AAC magnum can and have shortened the barrel to 20 inchs on my 700. I also use this can on very rifle i hunt with.
Everyone needs to purchase a suppressor as quick as possible. I wish my father would have bought me one back in the day. Ringing in the ears 24/7 suxs. Sold my ABOLT 300 win mag because of the boss at the end. Other than that it was a good gun just super long.
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I'm a stand hunter as well.....although my stands are actually Tree forts enclosed on all sides with lift up shooting ports on all sides, giving me a 360degree view, coue that with my big padded swivel office chair and its a slice of heaven. I agree Rich, I love the solitude being out in the woods, watching the squirrels running around doing their business, or catching that flock of turkeys scratch around. My favorite is when it's dead silent and snowing.....so silent you can hear the snowflakes landing. Food for the soul for sure.
Dogs huh? Sounds like a blast (pardon the pun :D )
Flench how would you like me to send that info, and is their any specific bullet weight loads your looking for?
Oh, great write up Ammo....one thing I always do is mark the back of my brass with different color perm marker....1 dot shot one time, 2 dots twice etc etc.... Works well and doesn't come off in the tumbler using walnut medium.
Great thread guys, love the chat :aok
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I'm a stand hunter as well.....although my stands are actually Tree forts enclosed on all sides with lift up shooting ports on all sides, giving me a 360degree view, coue that with my big padded swivel office chair and its a slice of heaven. I agree Rich, I love the solitude being out in the woods, watching the squirrels running around doing their business, or catching that flock of turkeys scratch around. My favorite is when it's dead silent and snowing.....so silent you can hear the snowflakes landing. Food for the soul for sure.
Dogs huh? Sounds like a blast (pardon the pun :D )
Flench how would you like me to send that info, and is their any specific bullet weight loads your looking for?
Oh, great write up Ammo....one thing I always do is mark the back of my brass with different color perm marker....1 dot shot one time, 2 dots twice etc etc.... Works well and doesn't come off in the tumbler using walnut medium.
Great thread guys, love the chat :aok
That's when I like to stand hunt , when it's raining or snowing . If you can send the info to my email flench327@hotmail.com . I'm going to stick to a low weight round , maybe even less powder .
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Flench - I had to contact my cousin in Corinth Mississippi - he is taking care of my reloading equipment while I am overseas to include my note book. I really wish I had brought that with me now.
From my notes: The most accurate load for my buddies BAR 270 was the following:
1. New 270 Winchester Brass from Midway trimmed to 2.539", de-burred flash hole
2. 54.5 grains IMR4831
3. CCI standard large rifle primer
4. 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip
5. Bullet seated to OA length of 3.32"
5. Average MV was 2943 FPS
I tried three different powders (IMR 4350, W760, and IMR 4831). This load would print MOA three shot groups on average from sand bags.
Given the type of hunting you will be doing, I don't think it will matter. 99.9% of your shots will be from unsupported positions and MOA ammo isn't really needed IMO. But hey - you can always brag about your loads after the hunt is over. MOA groups out of a BAR is not common and excellent
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Flench - I had to contact my cousin in Corinth Mississippi - he is taking care of my reloading equipment while I am overseas to include my note book. I really wish I had brought that with me now.
From my notes: The most accurate load for my buddies BAR 270 was the following:
1. New 270 Winchester Brass from Midway trimmed to 2.539", de-burred flash hole
2. 54.5 grains IMR4831
3. CCI standard large rifle primer
4. 130 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip
5. Bullet seated to OA length of 3.32"
5. Average MV was 2943 FPS
I tried three different powders (IMR 4350, W760, and IMR 4831). This load would print MOA three shot groups on average from sand bags.
Given the type of hunting you will be doing, I don't think it will matter. 99.9% of your shots will be from unsupported positions and MOA ammo isn't really needed IMO. But hey - you can always brag about your loads after the hunt is over. MOA groups out of a BAR is not common and excellent
Thanks Ammo <S>