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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JunkyII on March 20, 2015, 04:09:23 PM
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Generally speaking, how much do pilot's make? Had a guy on 200 today claim he makes 20K a month at least(240K a year) but I looked around the internet and found that few pilots top off around there after years of being a pilot. (Delta's highest paid pilots make around 200K, based off their pay charts)
So is the player full of it or could he possibly make that much as a pilot? Generally interested in how much some pilots make, one thing I've never really looked into.
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Generally speaking, how much do pilot's make? Had a guy on 200 today claim he makes 20K a month at least(240K a year) but I looked around the internet and found that few pilots top off around there after years of being a pilot. (Delta's highest paid pilots make around 200K, based off their pay charts)
So is the player full of it or could he possibly make that much as a pilot? Generally interested in how much some pilots make, one thing I've never really looked into.
:airplane: He is day dreaming!!! Start out as a flight instructor and you will be lucky to make 5 or 600 a month, unless you are specializing in instrument and multi engine training and then you might get to 800 a month!
Most regional carrier co=pilots start out in the 20's per year and the Capt's only in the 30's, for the most part.
Corporate pilots are different, in the respect that depending on the equipment you are flying, you can start out in the middle 30's to middle 40's.
I can't really address what the top carrier pilots are making, but would guess the international pilots with the big airlines are pulling in the 100 to 150 thousand a year bracket.
The biggest pay scale is not measured in dollars and cents, but in personal pleasure of flying itself!! :cheers:
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Generally speaking, how much do pilot's make? Had a guy on 200 today claim he makes 20K a month at least(240K a year) but I looked around the internet and found that few pilots top off around there after years of being a pilot. (Delta's highest paid pilots make around 200K, based off their pay charts)
So is the player full of it or could he possibly make that much as a pilot? Generally interested in how much some pilots make, one thing I've never really looked into.
:airplane: He is day dreaming!!! Start out as a flight instructor and you will be lucky to make 5 or 600 a month, unless you are specializing in instrument and multi engine training and then you might get to 800 a month!
Most regional carrier co=pilots start out in the 20's per year and the Capt's only in the 30's, for the most part.
Corporate pilots are different, in the respect that depending on the equipment you are flying, you can start out in the middle 30's to middle 40's.
I can't really address what the top carrier pilots are making, but would guess the international pilots with the big airlines are pulling in the 100 to 150 thousand a year bracket.
The biggest pay scale is not measured in dollars and cents, but in personal pleasure of flying itself!! :cheers:
Oops, sorry, don't know how I did this!!!!!
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It'll vary based on the type of flying, geography, airplane and longevity. Airline pay scales are different from corporate or charter operators which you could have a dozen different ways to come up with that whether it's salary, incentives for productivity, etc.
The highest paid salaried pilot I knew of was an American who flew as an expat for a company out of the US who made around $300,000USD/year. He earned every penny flying in a challenging situation. I also know many pilots who have gone their whole career without breaking $100,000.
Typically as you gain experience you'll earn more as well as if you step up to larger aircraft or better types of operations. Many peoples first job is that of a flight instructor or CFI which typically pays $25-60/hr depending on a myriad of factors including whether you work for a flight school, are independent and geography. More expensive areas command a higher price due to cost of living, so it's not simply extra money.
From there an entry level job flying as a first officer/copilot in a light turbine airplane you'll earn $30,000-50,000. Upgrade to Captain and it's $50,000-80,000. Some light jet and turboprop jobs pay more than this again depending on geography, longevity and the type of operation.
Step up to a midsize or supermid (a big midsize, but not really a large cabing) size airplane and you can start to earn more. There is also a lot of overlap with companies and in a lot of cases you're worth what you can negotiate. When you compare notes with other pilots about how their jobs are or what the pay ranges are (I don't like talking about how much I do/don't make but it's in everyone's best interest to get as much as possible of course) you'll find that you can be flying a midsize jet and make more than someone flying a large cabin jet. With so many factors it's impossible to nail down an "average" but generally speaking in a nonscientific fashion the salary ranges above are reasonably representative of several large operators in the US. Another factor is health benefits, retirement and some quality of life considerations with regards to scheduling and staffing. Some of these you can put a price on, some you can't.
When it comes to the airlines the pay scales tell you a portion, the contractual minimum or "guarantee" based on that company's CBA/Contract between the labor and management is another. Another significant player is how they are actually paid and what constitutes an "hour" of pay. Many of these companies will pay based on flight hours AND duty hours which are known as rigs. So for every X number of hours on duty you'll earn Y hours or what you actually flew, whichever is greater. Not all companies do it this way and the ratio of trip/duty/pay is different for each company based on their contracts.
Another general rule of thumb is expat jobs pay more than domestic jobs due to the nature of supply/demand. Not as many people want to go some of the places and the compensation is set higher to attract enough talent. That's not always the case but using a broad brush, it's reasonably representative.
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It ranges from rice and beans to $240k if you fly International on the big equipment for a major that still has a good contract.
As Golfer says it varies widely. WIDELY.
I do personally know a young fellow that was just offered $80k for right seat on a G IV with a nice bennie package. He turned it down. :)
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It ranges from rice and beans to $240k if you fly International on the big equipment for a major that still has a good contract.
As Golfer says it varies widely. WIDELY.
I do personally know a young fellow that was just offered $80k for right seat on a G IV with a nice bennie package. He turned it down. :)
I retired from a major airline 7 years ago. I never earned 20K/mo. Airline pilot pay and benefits have steadily deteriorated since world wide deregulation. The highest paid pilots in scheduled service in North America fly for UPS. (Freight Pays and doesn't squeak about the ride).
If this guy is for real (I heard the conversation), Its possible he flies some sexy corporate ride like a G-5 or Global Express. Some corporations seem to pay better for the cute than the heavy. Only thing bad about that...if the Chairman of the Board's Chickie decides she likes boats better than Airplanes......the pilots are toast
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Capt.'s in some of the big airlines, flying the big 2 engines and 4, make upwards of $250 a hour. Salaries vary. Its easy to find out who is paying what by doing a web search.
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http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/legacy/delta_air_lines
CAPTAIN PAY SCALE (Hourly)
Year 777 747-4 787 A330 767-4 757 767 737-9 737-7 737-8 A319 A320 MD88 MD90 717 DC9 CRJ900
12 270 270 260 255 255 226 226 218 217 217 209 209 206 206 195 195 139
B-777 Captain @ 75 hours/month - $20K/month
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Dont have to 'fly' big iron and grind the seniority for $$$. Contractor OCONUS floods you with money. AAR offered me $620/day as a starting pay for Casa 212 and Metros.
(http://img.planespotters.net/photo/269000/original/N602AR-Unknown-CASA-C-212-Series-200_PlanespottersNet_269671.jpg)
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http://www.willflyforfood.com/airline-pilot-salary/
Regional FO pay can start as low as in the $18k range. I've known people stuck in "gear swinger" mode for five years without getting to upgrade to left seat.
A lot of regionals are starting to struggle with crew shortages since the new ATP rules went into effect, but that hasn't affected their attitude of treating pilots like dirt.
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Depends on your billables and niche. I avg around $1300 per day in my current role, which is very domain specific. The more you specialize, the more you can charge.
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It'll vary based on the type of flying, geography, airplane and longevity. Airline pay scales are different from corporate or charter operators which you could have a dozen different ways to come up with that whether it's salary, incentives for productivity, etc.
... Another factor is health benefits, retirement and some quality of life considerations with regards to scheduling and staffing. Some of these you can put a price on, some you can't.
A number of years ago I watched a program on American Airlines (at least I think it was about them, it could have been about the industry in general or some aspect of it). Back then, and I do not know what the current situation is now, but American Airlines pilots were the highest paid in the industry (commercial passenger). While experience and all the items cited above were a factor, the single biggest difference between American pilots and others was/is their union.
The reason that I remember the story is because American had always been known (at least until Ryanair came along) as the extreme cost cutter. For example their clear coat paint scheme from a few years ago came about through their analyses of the additional fuel costs due to the weight of the paint. (Which actually, at least back then, could add up). I also remember a story about them cutting back on the number of olives they would put into their salads to save money. ($60,000 a year if I remember correctly). Does anyone remember when you almost always got a meal on a flight?
Anyway, I thought that it was funny that such a cost conscious company would end up with the highest pilot labor costs in the industry.
Early in my work career, when I worked for Fortune 10 company, I used to see fellow mid level managers avoid what we called the CLM (Career Limiting Maneuver). I used to see a lot of long term stupid stuff happen because executive leadership was only ever focused on the visible short term stuff. Everyone saw where they were as a short term stepping stone to some grander position. What ever they did, if it became a problem, would become someone else problem later.
Vendors, unions and others who had a long term approach tended to come out on top, in the long term.
I do not know if American pilots are still among the best paid. I sure that there are other airlines that pilots would wither rather work for or avoid. What say you?
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Generally speaking, how much do pilot's make?
If you dont fly...Too much.
If you've ever been in a plane in very heavy turbulence or in a storm...Not enough.
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The unions did kill the golden goose. Working for Eastern back in the day it was the only job in the world where with seniority you could bid on a route not to fly and get paid to sit at home on call. We worked with Stewardess's not Flight Attendants that for a single guy provided the one benefit unmatched by any company benefits. They lived in gaggles and shared/split living expenses with other gaggles and their parties were legendary. They were for the most part single, very good looking and on average 22 Years old, wearing some of the shortest skirts that existed at the time all around 105 to 115 lbs and between 5'6" to 5'8" tall. That was the "Fly Me" generation of Stewardess.
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The unions did kill the golden goose. Working for Eastern back in the day it was the only job in the world where with seniority you could bid on a route not to fly and get paid to sit at home on call. We worked with Stewardess's not Flight Attendants that for a single guy provided the one benefit unmatched by any company benefits. They lived in gaggles and shared/split living expenses with other gaggles and their parties were legendary. They were for the most part single, very good looking and on average 22 Years old, wearing some of the shortest skirts that existed at the time all around 105 to 115 lbs and between 5'6" to 5'8" tall. That was the "Fly Me" generation of Stewardess.
Seriously? The Union Slam? With respect Sir, you are talking outta your BUTT.
ALPA has done more to advance safety standards in the air than any Government or airline executive.
And slam Stew's too. At the base line, they get paid to evacuate the public from burning airplanes.
Aircrew are easy "whipping boys" - They don't get paid for what they do; they get paid for what that can do.
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Currently around 600 USD per month as a lowly flight instructor :lol
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Seriously? The Union Slam? With respect Sir, you are talking outta your BUTT.
ALPA has done more to advance safety standards in the air than any Government or airline executive.
And slam Stew's too. At the base line, they get paid to evacuate the public from burning airplanes.
Aircrew are easy "whipping boys" - They don't get paid for what they do; they get paid for what that can do.
Sounds like someone that only got to work with “Flight Attendants”. But really I was one of a group of line pilots for Eastern that actually got to review the Eastern financial records as part of the collective bargaining process and I agree the ALPA has and still does a lot for safety. But the main reason for the collapse was this”
After 686 days on strike against Eastern Airlines, rank- and-file members of the International Association of Machinists (IAM) and our supporters registered the final piece of our victory against the union-busting drive of the employers when the carrier folded at midnight on January 18, 1991.
Eastern strikers from coast to coast, from Puerto Rico to Canada, reacted by calling to congratulate each other and going out to airports to celebrate.
The sign I think expressed our feelings the best was the one at the Miami airport that read, "We said we'd last `One day longer.' ".
When we walked out on March 4, 1989, most of the rank and file of the IAM sensed our strength for the first time. The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and Local 553 of the Transport Workers Union (TWU), which organized the flight attendants, also recognized our strength and our fighting determination. They joined our picket lines. The unity we had achieved between the unions and the pilots' association greatly increased our initial strength, and, in turn, our confidence.
The unity of the Machinists, flight attendants, and pilots in a major national strike, over a period of eight and a half months, is something that had not been seen in the airline industry before.
Our slogan became that we would last "one day longer" than Frank Lorenzo. This meant that we would never let Eastern run a profitable airline as long as it operated with scab labor. We knew that by achieving that goal, we would help set an example for every other working person in the United States and internationally - our real family, not the "Eastern family." On April 18, 1990, in a victory for all labor, our slogan became a reality. On that day the federal government, through its bankruptcy court, removed Lorenzo from control of Eastern....
After Lorenzo was removed, our slogan remained "One day longer," but it became "One day longer" than Eastern....
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Depends on your billables and niche. I avg around $1300 per day in my current role, which is very domain specific. The more you specialize, the more you can charge.
Let me guess; NOE across Caribbean Sea: Columbia to Miami, dodging narcs and SAMs? :cool: :airplane: :cool:
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Let me guess; NOE across Caribbean Sea: Columbia to Miami, dodging narcs and SAMs? :cool: :airplane: :cool:
And all that without F3. Imagine that, GHI! :old:
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A number of years ago I watched a program on American Airlines (at least I think it was about them, it could have been about the industry in general or some aspect of it). Back then, and I do not know what the current situation is now, but American Airlines pilots were the highest paid in the industry (commercial passenger). While experience and all the items cited above were a factor, the single biggest difference between American pilots and others was/is their union.
I work at an airport. American flys a whole lot of different types of airplanes. I think the only Boeing they dont! fly is the 747 but they fly 777's and 777 ERs, they fly 787s, 737-8s. I believe they are the only ones still flying MDs for passengers. The fly 767's, 757s, a few different Airbus's, Embraer's, Bombardiers. I just named ALL the big players for western jet passenger aircraft from regional to long haul and that was just off the top of my head. This may have something to do with their pay scale cause as far as I know no other people haulers flys as many makes and models of aircraft.
I got very excited today seeing a Airbus A340-600 on a pad. The A340 is one of only three western people haulers that has more then two engines. The other two being the 747 and the A380. At one time the A340 had the longest range of any passenger aircraft.
I have found "madness" for military air planes transfers very well to commercial air planes. :D Im now at a point where I can about name any passenger jet on sight.
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Let me guess; NOE across Caribbean Sea: Columbia to Miami, dodging narcs and SAMs? :cool: :airplane: :cool:
Talk to Frenchy
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After Lorenzo was removed, our slogan remained "One day longer," but it became "One day longer" than Eastern....
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Then it seems we don't disagree. I watched what happened at Eastern and all the other GREAT airlines that have disappeared. The list is way too long.
But, they weren't destroyed by unions like ALPA and the IAM; they were destroyed by the same cash grabbing self-centered executives that continue to control all the airlines today.
I salute you for your stand at Eastern. I also recommend to every young pilot....Do something else for a living, and if you need to fly....Do it as a Hobby.
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Wow, there's way better money in IT :D
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Currently around 600 USD per month as a lowly flight instructor :lol
:rock
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After Lorenzo was removed, our slogan remained "One day longer," but it became "One day longer" than Eastern....
Then it seems we don't disagree. I watched what happened at Eastern and all the other GREAT airlines that have disappeared. The list is way too long.
But, they weren't destroyed by unions like ALPA and the IAM; they were destroyed by the same cash grabbing self-centered executives that continue to control all the airlines today.
I salute you for your stand at Eastern. I also recommend to every young pilot....Do something else for a living, and if you need to fly....Do it as a Hobby.
No I"m not in agreement with you, Eastern used the available labor force at the time, I think we airline pilots had it much better back in the day than line pilots of today. The Unions could have settled and didn't instead everyone ended with nothing and lost everything because the people made it personal. It was a business and needed to be run like one. The working guy lost, not the billionaire businessmen, they were still billionaires, the strike didn't hurt them. But I knew some guys that lost everything including their lives at their own hand. It wasn't a great time to be a 50 something and looking for a senior spot on the line with another airline. Eastern wanted to transfer some expenses to us, everyone did that in the industry anyway. They wanted 100 hours a month instead of 80 and they wanted to cut the cockpit crew down to two from 3 and on some equipment 4. All that happened anyway, closing Eastern didn't stop any of that and the billionaire businessmen that ran the unions lost nothing as well.
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I was accepted into the eastern airline pilot entry program in 1989 and scored a job as an eastern machinist.
This meant taking far less classes at MDCC than I would have liked to but once they have you in one capacity, they really aren't interested in your attempts to train for a different job ................but it was possible.
During my orientation, I crossed picket lines to attend orientation which was filling out forms and watching safety movies and had nothing to do with performing work as a "scab"........since I was performing no work at all.
I'm lucky enough to be labeled both a striking eastern machinist and a scab while losing plenty of life/money when the classes evaporated and the program closed.
The multi-stewardess houses mentioned above are true and there was one epic house in coconut grove all through the 60s and 70s.
The "lifestyle of flying" of that time is nearly impossible to understand unless you've witnessed it personally.
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Well a few weeks ago I watched a 28yo pilot land a Bombardier CRJ-600 on two rear wheels with about 40 souls on board. I knew it was for real when he started dumping fuel. He did a great job too, sliding right down the center line. I guess he earned his money that day.
But the planes were made to be up in the air and these kinda things are rare. The real problems arise from some of the fools that fly. Drunk passengers, passengers fighting in an airplane at 30,000', "stinkers" who probably havnt showered in weeks, the verbal abuse they have to put up with. Its also somewhat common for passengers to drop dead on a flight. Thats why when I fly I dont bother any of the crew. Once over the middle of the Atlantic I got caught up in a pushing match between a bunch of drunken kids going to Cape Verde and the Capt. of the South African 747 who was Msquealing them for smoking on the plane.
I never liked flying. Now? I like it even less. People used to wear suits before getting on a plane and respect the air crew. Now they are 1/2 naked 400 'lbers swinging arses as wide as the Burlington Zephyr down the aisle. And airline courtesy and professionalism has gone down too with the busting of the unions. I compare them with some foreign air lines who have flight crews that look like Delta teams. I bet SAS doesnt have one stew under 6'2" in bare feet and not blond haired and blue eyed. They look like super models grown out of test tubes.
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No I"m not in agreement with you, Eastern used the available labor force at the time, I think we airline pilots had it much better back in the day than line pilots of today. The Unions could have settled and didn't instead everyone ended with nothing and lost everything because the people made it personal. It was a business and needed to be run like one. The working guy lost, not the billionaire businessmen, they were still billionaires, the strike didn't hurt them. But I knew some guys that lost everything including their lives at their own hand. It wasn't a great time to be a 50 something and looking for a senior spot on the line with another airline. Eastern wanted to transfer some expenses to us, everyone did that in the industry anyway. They wanted 100 hours a month instead of 80 and they wanted to cut the cockpit crew down to two from 3 and on some equipment 4. All that happened anyway, closing Eastern didn't stop any of that and the billionaire businessmen that ran the unions lost nothing as well.
Alright, you win. Lets go back to the US mail flying days post world war I.
Let the boss dictate our pay. Hell, any money is better than none. Pilots are just over paid bus drivers anyway. The automation does all the work. Sullenberger just got lucky.
Let the boss dictate if the plane is safe and well maintained. The FAA watches them closely don't they? LOL
Let the boss decide if the weather is safe to fly. The airline even says "your safety is our top priority".
And if you don't like it, there's a ton of pilots at the door willing to do what you won't.
If the billionaire execs are always going to win, why fight it?
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I think anyone trained to take up so many souls to 30,000' and get them to point "B" is deserving of a good paycheck. Unfortunately its a cut throat, competitive business.
"Sully" didnt get lucky. He was ex-USAF and had thousands of flight hours under him. He was a mission commander at Red Flag exercises and was a top F-4 Phantom stick. Hell I might have seen him as our service coincided. He was also a flight instructor and safety officer. You couldnt have asked for a better Pilot when those engines failed.
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I think anyone trained to take up so many souls to 30,000' and get them to point "B" is deserving of a good paycheck. Unfortunately its a cut throat, competitive business.
"Sully" didnt get lucky. He was ex-USAF and had thousands of flight hours under him. He was a mission commander at Red Flag exercises and was a top F-4 Phantom stick. Hell I might have seen him as our service coincided. He was also a flight instructor and safety officer. You couldnt have asked for a better Pilot when those engines failed.
EZ Rich,busher agrees Sully didnt get lucky,he was saying that in a sarcastic manner.
I tease a buddy all the time about being in the seat just for the passengers sake! :rofl What with auto descent,glide angles and GPS,he's just there to talk with the people on-board!
Then he like to tease back and ask how much I trust Otto to land in a 30knot crosswind..... :devil
Much like Traveler he misses the old days too,you know when the Stew's would come and sit on your lap for most the flight and talk about the weather..... :x
:salute
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I think anyone trained to take up so many souls to 30,000' and get them to point "B" is deserving of a good paycheck. Unfortunately its a cut throat, competitive business.
"Sully" didnt get lucky. He was ex-USAF and had thousands of flight hours under him. He was a mission commander at Red Flag exercises and was a top F-4 Phantom stick. Hell I might have seen him as our service coincided. He was also a flight instructor and safety officer. You couldnt have asked for a better Pilot when those engines failed.
I agree completely about Sully. Apparently you missed my sarcasm. He was trained like me, in the old days of the apprenticeship. Sadly, those days too are passing rapidly.
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Well, I make about $44K after taxes, lol, which is a LOT less than I thought it would be in college...
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The FAA classifies pilots as "occupational radiation workers."
I remember watching this video, made by NASA; about airline pilots exposure to solar and cosmic radiation; interesting the companies are still pushing flight paths through weaker protective magnetic field over the North Pole to save tens of thousands in fuel , higher dose is absorbed by passengers and crew;
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2013/25oct_aviationswx/
NAIRAS website shows the dose daily;
http://sol.spacenvironment.net/raps_ops/current_files/globeView.html
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Alright, you win. Lets go back to the US mail flying days post world war I.
Let the boss dictate our pay. Hell, any money is better than none. Pilots are just over paid bus drivers anyway. The automation does all the work. Sullenberger just got lucky.
Let the boss dictate if the plane is safe and well maintained. The FAA watches them closely don't they? LOL
Let the boss decide if the weather is safe to fly. The airline even says "your safety is our top priority".
And if you don't like it, there's a ton of pilots at the door willing to do what you won't.
If the billionaire execs are always going to win, why fight it?
You got it wrong again, I never purposed that any Pilot wanted to give up the responsibility for flight safety, that always has and still remains in the cockpit. I just stated a fact, the International Association of Machinists (IAM) made it impossible for Eastern to operate, that union lost sight of the larger picture and forgot who they were representing. Instead of helping their members, they continued to hold out long after the Pilots and Flight Attendants had reached agreements with Eastern. As a result Eastern folded . I and no one that I ever flew with ever flew in unsafe conditions, I always had the right equipment for the mission at hand. I flew the shuttle for many years EWR , DCA, EWR, BOS, EWR and canceled or delayed trips when weather required it. No one ever said a thing. Did I feel a responsibility to the company, sure, that's why they paid me a very nice salary. But Safety was first. After all I wanted to go home at the end of the day.
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I agree completely about Sully. Apparently you missed my sarcasm. He was trained like me, in the old days of the apprenticeship. Sadly, those days too are passing rapidly.
I must have. Actually I agree with you that pilots of people movers arent as good as in days of yore. To much automation. Once the plane is up it damn near flys itself and there just isnt a whole lot of "flying" done anymore.
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I must have. Actually I agree with you that pilots of people movers arent as good as in days of yore. To much automation. Once the plane is up it damn near flys itself and there just isnt a whole lot of "flying" done anymore.
That's an issue that's been building for many years. Most of the majors have very capable auto-pilots with auto-throttles and company rules that insist that they be engaged very soon after takeoff and not disengaged until just before landing or perhaps not at all. That leaves very little time for actual hand flying which can become a problem for guys needing to do annual or six month checks.
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I must have. Actually I agree with you that pilots of people movers arent as good as in days of yore. To much automation. Once the plane is up it damn near flys itself and there just isnt a whole lot of "flying" done anymore.
:airplane: My feelings are one of the minority I suppose! People who fly the "left" seat with anyone but himself on board, should be one who is flying because he loves to fly, not fly just to make X amount of dollars!
the problem comes from identify those people!
I spent my time as a CFI, just like a lot of other people and this is what I found:
People who want to learn to fly fall into 3 categories!
1- Those that are trying to prove something to themselves
2- Those that are trying to prove something to everybody else
3- Those that loved the challenge of flying successfully
It pretty easy to see which of the three made the "best" pilots! Of course the hardest challenge is to decide how each would handle a "real" emergency, after all, most everyone can fly as long as things work like they are suppose to!!!
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FED X Pilots , make $250,000 a year .
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Actually Earl my comments were made about the technology of the new airliners and the insistence on the companys to get them from A to B using as little fuel as possible. Ive met ex-Pilots who quit flying the new Gen and moved on to other spots because the automation just was sucking the Love of flying out of them. I'll add these types always end up in a personal prop plane of their own, or maybe co-owned with another. In your day Pilots really "flew".
Be that as it may it still amazes me they can pull off what they do in a major airport with so few problems. A testament to the men and woman involved.
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FED X Pilots , make $250,000 a year .
That's a very broad brush. You don't hire on at that amount and I wouldn't be so sure about that number for anyone with less than 15 years of service.
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That's a very broad brush. You don't hire on at that amount and I wouldn't be so sure about that number for anyone with less than 15 years of service.
I did a brick job for a man who was a pilot there in Memphis and that's what he told me . I would not think he would lie to me . He had been there 10 year's at that time he said .
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I did a brick job for a man who was a pilot there in Memphis and that's what he told me . I would not think he would lie to me . He had been there 10 year's at that time he said .
The higher seniority folks who hold Captain spots and the longevity that comes with it will make that much. It'll take a little while to get there.
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Got a friend that drives one of there trucks just around town and he started out at 50K a year .
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Got a friend that drives one of there trucks just around town and he started out at 50K a year .
He'll be OK until Google takes his job.
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He'll be OK until Google takes his job.
No joke . I quit using them . Price for shipping is to darn high .
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Was hired by a survey company this past December and I make more flying a 206, then most of the most senior regional airline first officers. I'm salaried in the mid 30's currently, but could possibly be in the 40's soon as I am moving up in aircraft; and then we get paid per diem on top of that...
I decided to skip the whole CFI route, though eventually I want to get it and I'm currently sitting at 557hrs. I was hired at ~425.
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you guys do realize that sometimes you take a job because you love it or like it? not about the money but the satisfaction of what you do. I make anywhere between 54 to 80k a year depending on ot working at a steel mill. I dont specially like my job but I dont really hate it. last year my ot was about 24k, that is more than what most people make flying. but I am pretty sure they get more satisfaction than I do. me I would rather make the extra money.
I consider myself lucky, i make more than the average worker make while i dont really hate my job. not specially like it either, but it is a trade off I am happy to make.
semp
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I hear ya Semp , I made darn good money doing brick and stone work but I hated it . I well still build mail boxes and stuff like that but no more big job's for me . I like to fish and hunt to much and it get's in my way , LOL .
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One of my pilots at work is looking at a 60 day on 60 day off OCONUS job which pays about $22k a month...when you are on the 60 day off part you get paid nothing.
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That's an issue that's been building for many years. Most of the majors have very capable auto-pilots with auto-throttles and company rules that insist that they be engaged very soon after takeoff and not disengaged until just before landing or perhaps not at all. That leaves very little time for actual hand flying which can become a problem for guys needing to do annual or six month checks.
Actually most check rides conducted in a level D Sim are very "line oriented" so the check is conducted with full use of the Flight management system and full use of the automation. At the time of my retirement, precious few airlines were starting to realize it was time to reinforce "basic operating skills" (hand flying).