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Offline croduh

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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2015, 09:54:01 AM »
Currently around 600 USD per month as a lowly flight instructor  :lol

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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2015, 03:50:42 PM »
Seriously? The Union Slam? With respect Sir, you are talking outta your BUTT.
ALPA has done more to advance safety standards in the air than any Government or airline executive.
And slam Stew's too. At the base line, they get paid to evacuate the public from burning airplanes.
Aircrew are easy "whipping boys" - They don't get paid for what they do; they get paid for what that can do.

Sounds like someone that only got to work with “Flight Attendants”. But really I was one of a group of line pilots for Eastern that actually got to review the Eastern financial records as part of the collective bargaining process and I agree the ALPA has and still does a lot for safety.  But the main reason for the collapse was this”
After 686 days on strike against Eastern Airlines, rank- and-file members of the International Association of Machinists (IAM) and our supporters registered the final piece of our victory against the union-busting drive of the employers when the carrier folded at midnight on January 18, 1991.
Eastern strikers from coast to coast, from Puerto Rico to Canada, reacted by calling to congratulate each other and going out to airports to celebrate.
The sign I think expressed our feelings the best was the one at the Miami airport that read, "We said we'd last `One day longer.' ".
When we walked out on March 4, 1989, most of the rank and file of the IAM sensed our strength for the first time. The Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) and Local 553 of the Transport Workers Union (TWU), which organized the flight attendants, also recognized our strength and our fighting determination. They joined our picket lines. The unity we had achieved between the unions and the pilots' association greatly increased our initial strength, and, in turn, our confidence.
The unity of the Machinists, flight attendants, and pilots in a major national strike, over a period of eight and a half months, is something that had not been seen in the airline industry before.

Our slogan became that we would last "one day longer" than Frank Lorenzo. This meant that we would never let Eastern run a profitable airline as long as it operated with scab labor. We knew that by achieving that goal, we would help set an example for every other working person in the United States and internationally - our real family, not the "Eastern family." On April 18, 1990, in a victory for all labor, our slogan became a reality. On that day the federal government, through its bankruptcy court, removed Lorenzo from control of Eastern....

After Lorenzo was removed, our slogan remained "One day longer," but it became "One day longer" than Eastern....
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2015, 04:53:31 PM »
Depends on your billables and niche. I avg around $1300 per day in my current role, which is very domain specific. The more you specialize, the more you can charge.
Let me guess;  NOE across Caribbean Sea: Columbia to Miami, dodging narcs and SAMs?  :cool:  :airplane:  :cool:

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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2015, 05:29:29 PM »
Let me guess;  NOE across Caribbean Sea: Columbia to Miami, dodging narcs and SAMs?  :cool:  :airplane:  :cool:

And all that without F3. Imagine that, GHI!   :old:
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2015, 05:30:07 PM »
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A number of years ago I watched a program on American Airlines (at least I think it was about them, it could have been about the industry in general or some aspect of it).  Back then, and I do not know what the current situation is now, but American Airlines pilots were the highest paid in the industry (commercial passenger).  While experience and all the items cited above were a factor, the single biggest difference between American pilots and others was/is their union.

I work at an airport. American flys a whole lot of different types of airplanes. I think the only Boeing they dont! fly is the 747 but they fly 777's and 777 ERs, they fly 787s, 737-8s. I believe they are the only ones still flying MDs for passengers. The fly 767's, 757s, a few different Airbus's, Embraer's, Bombardiers. I just named ALL the big players for western  jet passenger aircraft from regional to long haul and that was just off the top of my head. This may have something to do with their pay scale cause as far as I know no other people haulers flys as many makes and models of aircraft.

I got very excited today seeing a Airbus A340-600 on a pad. The A340 is one of only three western people haulers that has more then two engines. The other two being the 747 and the A380. At one time the A340 had the longest range of any passenger aircraft.

I have found "madness" for military air planes transfers very well to commercial air planes.  :D Im now at a point where I can about name any passenger jet on sight.
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2015, 05:33:17 PM »
Let me guess;  NOE across Caribbean Sea: Columbia to Miami, dodging narcs and SAMs?  :cool:  :airplane:  :cool:

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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2015, 05:51:51 PM »

After Lorenzo was removed, our slogan remained "One day longer," but it became "One day longer" than Eastern....
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Then it seems we don't disagree. I watched what happened at Eastern and all the other GREAT airlines that have disappeared. The list is way too long.

But, they weren't destroyed by unions like ALPA and the IAM; they were destroyed by the same cash grabbing self-centered executives that continue to control all the airlines today.

I salute you for your stand at Eastern. I also recommend to every young pilot....Do something else for a living, and if you need to fly....Do it as a Hobby.
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2015, 12:04:27 AM »
Wow, there's way better money in IT :D

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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #23 on: March 22, 2015, 12:20:02 AM »
Currently around 600 USD per month as a lowly flight instructor  :lol
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2015, 08:03:23 AM »
After Lorenzo was removed, our slogan remained "One day longer," but it became "One day longer" than Eastern....


Then it seems we don't disagree. I watched what happened at Eastern and all the other GREAT airlines that have disappeared. The list is way too long.

But, they weren't destroyed by unions like ALPA and the IAM; they were destroyed by the same cash grabbing self-centered executives that continue to control all the airlines today.

I salute you for your stand at Eastern. I also recommend to every young pilot....Do something else for a living, and if you need to fly....Do it as a Hobby.

No I"m not in agreement with you, Eastern used the available labor force at the time, I think we airline pilots had it much better back in the day than line pilots of today.   The Unions could have settled and didn't instead everyone ended with nothing and lost everything because the people made it personal. It was a business and needed to be run like one.  The working guy lost,   not the billionaire businessmen, they were still billionaires, the strike didn't hurt them.  But I knew some guys that lost everything including their lives at their own hand.  It wasn't a great time to be a 50 something and looking for a senior spot on the line with another airline.  Eastern wanted to transfer some expenses to us, everyone did that  in the industry anyway.  They wanted 100 hours a month instead of 80 and they wanted to cut the cockpit crew down to two from 3 and on some equipment 4.  All that happened anyway, closing Eastern didn't stop any of that and the billionaire businessmen that ran the unions lost nothing as well.
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2015, 09:02:01 AM »
I was accepted into the eastern airline pilot entry program in 1989 and scored a job as an eastern machinist.

This meant taking far less classes at MDCC than I would have liked to but once they have you in one capacity, they really aren't interested in your attempts to train for a different job ................but it was possible.

During my orientation, I crossed picket lines to attend orientation which was filling out forms and watching safety movies and had nothing to do with performing work as a "scab"........since I was performing  no work at all.

I'm lucky enough to be labeled both a striking eastern machinist and a scab while losing plenty of life/money when the classes evaporated and the program closed.

The multi-stewardess houses mentioned above are true and there was one epic house in coconut grove all through the 60s and 70s.

The "lifestyle of flying" of that time is nearly impossible to understand unless you've witnessed it personally.
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2015, 09:56:13 AM »
Well a few weeks ago I watched a 28yo pilot land a Bombardier CRJ-600 on two rear wheels with about 40 souls on board. I knew it was for real when he started dumping fuel. He did a great job too, sliding right down the center line. I guess he earned his money that day.

But the planes were made to be up in the air and these kinda things are rare. The real problems arise from some of the fools that fly. Drunk passengers, passengers fighting in an airplane at 30,000', "stinkers" who probably havnt showered in weeks, the verbal abuse they have to put up with. Its also somewhat common for passengers to drop dead on a flight. Thats why when I fly I dont bother any of the crew. Once over the middle of the Atlantic I got caught up in a pushing match between a bunch of drunken kids going to Cape Verde and the Capt. of the South African 747 who was Msquealing them for smoking on the plane.

I never liked flying. Now? I like it even less. People used to wear suits before getting on a plane and respect the air crew. Now they are 1/2 naked 400 'lbers swinging arses as wide as the Burlington Zephyr down the aisle. And airline courtesy and professionalism has gone down too with the busting of the unions. I compare them with some foreign air lines who have flight crews that look like Delta teams. I bet SAS doesnt have one stew under 6'2" in bare feet and not blond haired and blue eyed. They look like super models grown out of test tubes.
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2015, 10:41:11 AM »
No I"m not in agreement with you, Eastern used the available labor force at the time, I think we airline pilots had it much better back in the day than line pilots of today.   The Unions could have settled and didn't instead everyone ended with nothing and lost everything because the people made it personal. It was a business and needed to be run like one.  The working guy lost,   not the billionaire businessmen, they were still billionaires, the strike didn't hurt them.  But I knew some guys that lost everything including their lives at their own hand.  It wasn't a great time to be a 50 something and looking for a senior spot on the line with another airline.  Eastern wanted to transfer some expenses to us, everyone did that  in the industry anyway.  They wanted 100 hours a month instead of 80 and they wanted to cut the cockpit crew down to two from 3 and on some equipment 4.  All that happened anyway, closing Eastern didn't stop any of that and the billionaire businessmen that ran the unions lost nothing as well.

Alright, you win. Lets go back to the US mail flying days post world war I.

Let the boss dictate our pay. Hell, any money is better than none. Pilots are just over paid bus drivers anyway. The automation does all the work. Sullenberger just got lucky.

Let the boss dictate if the plane is safe and well maintained. The FAA watches them closely don't they? LOL

Let the boss decide if the weather is safe to fly. The airline even says "your safety is our top priority".

And if you don't like it, there's a ton of pilots at the door willing to do what you won't.

If the billionaire execs are always going to win, why fight it?
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2015, 05:03:12 PM »
I think anyone trained to take up so many souls to 30,000' and get them to point "B" is deserving of a good paycheck. Unfortunately its a cut throat, competitive business.

"Sully" didnt get lucky. He was ex-USAF and had thousands of flight hours under him. He was a mission commander at Red Flag exercises and was a top F-4 Phantom stick. Hell I might have seen him as our service coincided. He was also a flight instructor and safety officer. You couldnt have asked for a better Pilot when those engines failed.
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Re: How much does a Pilot make in a year????
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2015, 06:05:20 PM »
I think anyone trained to take up so many souls to 30,000' and get them to point "B" is deserving of a good paycheck. Unfortunately its a cut throat, competitive business.

"Sully" didnt get lucky. He was ex-USAF and had thousands of flight hours under him. He was a mission commander at Red Flag exercises and was a top F-4 Phantom stick. Hell I might have seen him as our service coincided. He was also a flight instructor and safety officer. You couldnt have asked for a better Pilot when those engines failed.


  EZ Rich,busher agrees Sully didnt get lucky,he was saying that in a sarcastic manner.

   I tease a buddy all the time about being in the seat just for the passengers sake! :rofl  What with auto descent,glide angles and GPS,he's just there to talk with the people on-board!

  Then he like to tease back and ask how much I trust Otto to land in a 30knot crosswind..... :devil

  Much like Traveler he misses the old days too,you know when the Stew's would come and sit on your lap for most the flight and talk about the weather..... :x


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