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Title: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 01, 2015, 12:34:01 AM
I went out and got a LG Optimus Dynamic Tracfone . I don't use a cell phone much just got it for the apps more or less . My problem is that it well not hold but like two apps .  A compass and a GPS . The main two I was after but those felled the phone memory up and they are not going to the SD card . I did read where one can root the phone where it well load the info onto the SD card . First smart phone I have every had so does anyone got any idea's how to do this ? Found a few youtube clips but it's not working or I just don't know what the helll I'm doing one .
Please help
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Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 01, 2015, 05:21:19 AM
I went out and got a LG Optimus Dynamic Tracfone . I don't use a cell phone much just got it for the apps more or less . My problem is that it well not hold but like two apps .  A compass and a GPS . The main two I was after but those felled the phone memory up and they are not going to the SD card . I did read where one can root the phone where it well load the info onto the SD card . First smart phone I have every had so does anyone got any idea's how to do this ? Found a few youtube clips but it's not working or I just don't know what the helll I'm doing one .
Please help
<S>

I had similar problems with the Samsung Xcover that I bought for my daughter. Apps would only install to main memory, only a couple random ones would work from the SD card. I threw the damn thing to the wall but it's impact resistant so it wouldn't break, instead left a mark on the wall. So now it's a paper weight reminding never to buy Android again. My family are now 100% iPhone users and we never have problems.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 01, 2015, 05:17:34 PM
I had similar problems with the Samsung Xcover that I bought for my daughter. Apps would only install to main memory, only a couple random ones would work from the SD card. I threw the damn thing to the wall but it's impact resistant so it wouldn't break, instead left a mark on the wall. So now it's a paper weight reminding never to buy Android again. My family are now 100% iPhone users and we never have problems.
Crap , figures . Guess I send it back and get me a iphone . Thanks MrRipley <S> .
 Looks like I could put the app to the SD car through my PC some how .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: FBKampfer on April 01, 2015, 05:37:01 PM
Go with one of the big names for Android phones and you're fine. I've had a Droid Razr M, an S3 and an S4, and have enjoyed them all, though I prefer stock Android to Samsung's Touch Wiz modification.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 01, 2015, 05:40:33 PM
I did not want to go under a contract because I never use a cell phone that much . I think Tracphone well let you bring your own phone now so I guess I well look at phone's that don't cost a arm and leg .

Wounder if I can take the SD card out of the phone and download the apps to the card and put it back into the phone that way ?
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 01, 2015, 05:42:16 PM
As you have found out, the answer is to just suck it up and save up the money to get an iphone.  3 or 4 models to choose from right now, with anywhere from not enough memory to way more memory than you'll need.  Multiple colors, tons of free and cheap apps that actually work and don't usually crash or wreck the phone.  Microsoft office (especially one note!) is on the iphone now too.  The cameras are awesome.  The motion chip works great with fitness trackers.  Tons of accessories/cases.  They don't usually break when you look at them wrong.

My wife and I had iphone 4S models and they never wore out, we just wanted faster/nicer ones.  I got a 5S and my wife got an iphone 6.  Very nice phones, great features.  Almost zero gripes about either of them.  Its funny, our "complaint" about the old iphones we had was primarily that they never broke so we didn't really *need* to upgrade them.

In the same time period, my sister went through about 6 various android phones that all broke for various reasons, only one or two of them due to being dropped or another mechanical incident.  Most of them just quit working for no good reason, and she ended up spending more on those things than we did on our iphones.

I couldn't care less about philosophical differences between android or apple iOS.  Just.  Don't.  Care.  Everyone I know with an android phone talks all day about how great it is to fiddle with settings and change things and download this or that update or jailbreak it or install this one hack so they can do this other cool thing...  WTF.  I just want the dang thing to work without having to fiddle with it all the time.  iphone does that just fine, and there are hacks available for it too if that's your thing.

Or just get another android phone and constantly fiddle with it until it breaks and you upgrade it to something else that you're also not really happy with unless you fiddle with it endlessly.

IMHO :)
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 01, 2015, 05:45:44 PM
As you have found out, the answer is to just suck it up and save up the money to get an iphone.  3 or 4 models to choose from right now, with anywhere from not enough memory to way more memory than you'll need.  Multiple colors, tons of free and cheap apps that actually work and don't usually crash or wreck the phone.  Microsoft office (especially one note!) is on the iphone now too.  The cameras are awesome.  The motion chip works great with fitness trackers.  Tons of accessories/cases.  They don't usually break when you look at them wrong.

My wife and I had iphone 4S models and they never wore out, we just wanted faster/nicer ones.  I got a 5S and my wife got an iphone 6.  Very nice phones, great features.  Almost zero gripes about either of them.  Its funny, our "complaint" about the old iphones we had was primarily that they never broke so we didn't really *need* to upgrade them.

In the same time period, my sister went through about 6 various android phones that all broke for various reasons, only one or two of them due to being dropped or another mechanical incident.  Most of them just quit working for no good reason, and she ended up spending more on those things than we did on our iphones.

I couldn't care less about philosophical differences between android or apple iOS.  Just.  Don't.  Care.  Everyone I know with an android phone talks all day about how great it is to fiddle with settings and change things and download this or that update or jailbreak it or install this one hack so they can do this other cool thing...  WTF.  I just want the dang thing to work without having to fiddle with it all the time.  iphone does that just fine, and there are hacks available for it too if that's your thing.

Or just get another android phone and constantly fiddle with it until it breaks and you upgrade it to something else that you're also not really happy with unless you fiddle with it endlessly.

IMHO :)



I see , Thanks
Wonder if I got a used one off Ebay or something if it be all right ?
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2015, 06:27:41 PM
flench forget the iphones.  just google how to root your phone then follow some instructions like this:

http://theunlockr.com/2014/08/14/how-to-root-the-lg-optimus-dynamic/

worst thing is that you can brick your phone.  then again, not like your phone is the best, sorry about that.  I've had an android phone for many years.  it's a lot of fun just playing around with your phone and installing different  mods.  havent really rooted the current one I have since I got it back in november or so.  trust me once you start rooting your phone it becomes like a totally different phone.  no more stupid apps using your phone memory and no need to have itunes on your computer either messing up with your puter :).


semp


semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2015, 06:36:54 PM



In the same time period, my sister went through about 6 various android phones that all broke for various reasons, only one or two of them due to being dropped or another mechanical incident.  Most of them just quit working for no good reason, and she ended up spending more on those things than we did on our iphones.


IMHO :)

I still have every single android phone since the razor that I have owned.  not one of them has a scrach on the glass and they still look brand new.  my last one was the droid x,  owned it for about 3 years.  currently I have the galaxy note 2.  bought it even though the 4 was already out.  the 2 look good enough, havent rooted it yet as it is an older phone and not many mods are working on it anymore :(.  but my phone looks still the way it did when it came out of the box and keep in mind I carry it in my pocket.  have dropped it way too many times but the case I owned protected it.  now I have to go on amazon and order a new case and nobody locally carries a case for it.  I dropped it again last week and the case protected it well but it broke on the corner.  the phone still has not one scratch on it :).



semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 01, 2015, 07:22:03 PM
flench forget the iphones.  just google how to root your phone then follow some instructions like this:

http://theunlockr.com/2014/08/14/how-to-root-the-lg-optimus-dynamic/

worst thing is that you can brick your phone.  then again, not like your phone is the best, sorry about that.  I've had an android phone for many years.  it's a lot of fun just playing around with your phone and installing different  mods.  havent really rooted the current one I have since I got it back in november or so.  trust me once you start rooting your phone it becomes like a totally different phone.  no more stupid apps using your phone memory and no need to have itunes on your computer either messing up with your puter :).


semp


semp

Thanks Semp , I have been looking for that link all day . Seem every link I went to was a dead end more or less or sends me to a app I can not download . I figured it being my first smart phone I buy a cheap one in case I did screw it up or fall in the lake or something .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: homersipes on April 01, 2015, 07:58:12 PM
Keep watch at yard sales, I bought an HTC android for $5, I only wanted it for the camera but came in handy when I worked away from home, my daughter has it loaded with apps and gamesor maybe Craigslist
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2015, 08:18:46 PM
here's another site that is pretty good.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/


semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: icepac on April 01, 2015, 09:05:53 PM
I dislike anything apple but I have an iphone5.

I can plug a guitar and synth controller and record and mix an entire album on one.

I use the iRig pro because the earlier irig has troubles with apple's mixing mic with speaker/headphones such that any high gain amp models feed back in the phone.

The lightning cable version doesn't do that.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 01, 2015, 09:16:42 PM
icepac the earlier apple computers were designed with music in mind if I remember correctly, first computer I ever touched was an apple IIc, that's were I learned basic and computer language, later pascal and some others I have forgotten.

semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: FBKampfer on April 01, 2015, 09:57:28 PM
Basically whatever you do, don't get an iPhone. There's nothing inherently wrong with them, but a markup of 10-25% over a similar spec'd android phone is basically unavoidable.

And regardless of what anyone else says, there's virtually no difference in durability. If people have broken more androids, it's purely bad luck. I abused the hell out of my Razr, dropping it on concrete repeatedly while using the level app, pumbob app, etc, jumped in a pool with it, and fell on it when I slipped on ice, and it died a week before my contract was up.

The one thing most but not all android phones do better at is surviving water contact.

But really, my main issue with Apple is that you just can't do much with it. No SD card slot, can't compete with a rooted android when jailbroken, and despite all that, you're still paying for that dumb logo.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 02, 2015, 12:20:35 AM
flench forget the iphones.  just google how to root your phone then follow some instructions like this:

http://theunlockr.com/2014/08/14/how-to-root-the-lg-optimus-dynamic/

worst thing is that you can brick your phone.  then again, not like your phone is the best, sorry about that.  I've had an android phone for many years.  it's a lot of fun just playing around with your phone and installing different  mods.  havent really rooted the current one I have since I got it back in november or so.  trust me once you start rooting your phone it becomes like a totally different phone.  no more stupid apps using your phone memory and no need to have itunes on your computer either messing up with your puter :).


semp


semp
Well I did this but now I have no room in the system to download the Root Checker to make it work  , hmmm . Still working on it .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 02, 2015, 12:43:36 AM


I see , Thanks
Wonder if I got a used one off Ebay or something if it be all right ?

I'm a big baby about such things, and I really don't have time to fiddle with locking/unlocking phones or convincing a service provider to work with a phone I got on ebay.  So I buy straight from the source.  Sprint stores used to actually be decent but now they don't even seem to sell anything but the cheapest pieces of junk and phone accessories.  There are 2 sprint stores near my house and neither of them had any iphones of any kind in stock 6 months after the iphone 6 release, except for the pink 16GB iphone 6+ and the 8gb iphone 5c, both totally useless to me.  I don't know how they stay open since they don't seem to sell anything or know anything about their products or even service plans.  So I bought my phones directly from apple and then called sprint customer service directly to get them activated and make sure my service plans were not fouled up by apple.

So... Yea.  You might be able to get a nice phone on ebay and maybe you'll be lucky and it won't be stolen and it will actually be unlocked and won't have a defect and won't have been opened up and messed with or dropped or whatever, and you'll get a good deal and your service provider will activate it without any problems.  That's too many maybes for me so I save my pennies and pay cash for what I really want. 

I used one of those "free" flip-phones they will give you if you sign up for their cheapest contracts for YEARS even after the first iphones became popular, because I didn't want to spend the cash for an iphone.  And then I was dumb and got the iphone4S with the least amount of memory, and immediately realized it didn't have enough but couldn't trade it in.  Oops.  Lesson learned there, now I save my pennies and get what I really want the first time from a reputable source that will accept a return or trade-in if the thing doesn't work.  Not sure you'll get that kind of security from ebay.  Might want to save up some more and go for one of the contract deals that cut the price of the phone and the service plan, and maybe just use a piece of crap $10 Wal-Mart pay as you go flip phone until you've got enough saved up to pay cash.

Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 02, 2015, 01:22:39 AM
I currently use a Google Nexus 5. Very happy with it. Have owned a few iPhones, and they're perhaps easier to use for people not used to this kind of tech. They're expensive though.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 02, 2015, 01:23:09 AM
Got it rooted finely after just 14 hours . Thanks for the help men <S> .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 02, 2015, 01:49:53 AM
Got it rooted finely after just 14 hours . Thanks for the help men <S> .

congratulations took me a week to learn how to root mine :).  Now look around for roms you may like  )




semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: jeep00 on April 02, 2015, 04:00:28 AM
My samsung galaxy s3 works just fine. And when the apps load to the device, I just open the "manage apps" tab under "settings" and select "move to sd card". I am not sure why you would not have the same option no matter what phone you have.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 02, 2015, 09:57:22 AM
Got it rooted finely after just 14 hours . Thanks for the help men <S> .

Have you actually made a phone call with it yet?  LOLz

Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 02, 2015, 10:15:47 AM
My samsung galaxy s3 works just fine. And when the apps load to the device, I just open the "manage apps" tab under "settings" and select "move to sd card". I am not sure why you would not have the same option no matter what phone you have.

The Xcover had this option and if you moved the app you couldn't run it anymore :D

With iPhone I never have to move anything. It just works. I got refurbished iPhone5 for my daughter now for 200 bucks to replace her previous iPhone4. She's been very happy.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 02, 2015, 01:40:45 PM
My samsung galaxy s3 works just fine. And when the apps load to the device, I just open the "manage apps" tab under "settings" and select "move to sd card". I am not sure why you would not have the same option no matter what phone you have.

When I go to do that it's grayed out , well not let me .
AND no eagl I have not , LOL !!!
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 02, 2015, 01:59:44 PM
Some apps can't be moved to the sd card, b but there's ways to move them once you root your phone.



semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 02, 2015, 02:02:58 PM
Some apps can't be moved to the sd card, b but there's ways to move them once you root your phone.



semp
Still trying to figure this all out . I know it's rooted for it told me so and it did free up some space .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 02, 2015, 02:04:54 PM
 next step is look for a rom you like and get rid of system apps you don't need.



semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: jeep00 on April 02, 2015, 04:07:07 PM
When I go to do that it's grayed out , well not let me .
AND no eagl I have not , LOL !!!

Mine gray out on occasion too but they still work even grey.
Good luck though.

Bob
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 02, 2015, 07:23:40 PM
OK , see what happens .
Got a question . When I plug the phone into my PC where I can see the files and so on . I go to Google pay and download a app to the phone but when I go to the phone I do not see them any where and the PC say's app has been download  ?

Got more reading to do , lol .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 02, 2015, 10:37:42 PM
you need to unzip and install the app when you d/l from your pc.  best bet is if you paid for it log into google play and dl it again and install it.


semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 03, 2015, 03:54:06 AM
Much easier to get a second hand non-jailbroken iPhone and enjoy the safe selection of apps that install with one thumb press.

When you root your phone and load random files from internet to it, you expose yourself to HUGE risks. If you catch malware to the phone the criminals can start to silently make phone calls to paid numbers or eavesdrop on anything you do with the phone.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 03, 2015, 05:53:11 AM
Man , why even make a phone with no internal memory , errrr .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 03, 2015, 07:59:01 AM
I have to giggle a bit at the iphone vs android wars.  I have no horse in that race as I still use an old Motorola W930 flip phone.

But there are things I have noticed about the two camps.

1)  Still cannot upgrade the iPhone battery.  Last time I checked an iPhone battery replacement was about $80 (including shipping).  Of course, you are without your phone during this time.
2)  Still cannot run multiple apps, simultaneously, on an iPhone.  Not all Androids can, but many can.
3)  Android phones can be charged with any USB cable, iPhones require a special Apple cable which apparently is not compatible within the iPhone family.  Stupid.
4)  I have noticed some Android phones are coming with micro HDMI connections now, allowing it to be connected directly to a television.  Not sure if that is anything anyone would actually use.
5)  Many Android phones come with an IR port so the phone can be used as a universal remote control for your entertainment systems.  This is handy.

There are others, but the point is, Android seems to be geared to those who like to customize their experience and enjoy outfitting the phone to fit their needs.  iPhones seem to be geared to those who like the Apple way of doing things.  One is very flexible and the other is a brick.

I have friends in both camps.  It is interesting to note the difference in the personalities of those who favor one over the other.  Whatever your personality is, there seems to be a phone for you.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: 68ZooM on April 03, 2015, 09:26:46 AM
George there is an app out there that allows you to move programs from the phone to your SD card if I remember right its called appSD I did a quick google search with your phone name and came up with a lot of options ...

 Try a Google search like this  " how to move apps to the sd card on a lg optimus dynamic phone"  it came back with numerous results including the appsd program recommendation
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 03, 2015, 10:18:30 AM
Skuzzy,
Are you talking about 2 iphone apps visible on the screen at the same time or are you talking about background processing?  iphones do background processing just fine.  If you're talking about 2 apps on the screen at once, yea they don't do that.  The coding standards require knowledge of the screen size and split screen isn't one of the available screen resolutions.  Maybe someday...
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 03, 2015, 10:42:52 AM
Skuzzy,
Are you talking about 2 iphone apps visible on the screen at the same time or are you talking about background processing?  iphones do background processing just fine.  If you're talking about 2 apps on the screen at once, yea they don't do that.  The coding standards require knowledge of the screen size and split screen isn't one of the available screen resolutions.  Maybe someday...

Yes, all running apps visible (the Wife constantly has three apps opened, for work, and moving data between them).  Makes it really easy to drag data from one app to the other.  Androids do it like Windows does.  The app windows just overlap and you just resize them any size you want.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 03, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
iphone apps can't resize, that's the problem.  Their excuse is that they want to guarantee readability and user experience.  My answer is that they should permit some apps to be apple certified if they meet the current restrictive guidelines, and others can be labeled at user risk or some such disclaimer.  But of course they don't.

Still, it all works.  I don't have to fiddle with it.  That's my main criteria.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Lusche on April 03, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
There never was a question what to buy. No way I could ever have afforded an Iphone. Sometimes decisions are really that simple   ;)
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 03, 2015, 11:56:42 AM
iphone apps can't resize, that's the problem.  Their excuse is that they want to guarantee readability and user experience.  My answer is that they should permit some apps to be apple certified if they meet the current restrictive guidelines, and others can be labeled at user risk or some such disclaimer.  But of course they don't.

Still, it all works.  I don't have to fiddle with it.  That's my main criteria.

It is an excellent criteria.  People should buy what fits their personal requirements.  In my mind, that is the proper way to buy a smart phone.  Make a list of requirements, and buy the product which fits those requirements.

Simple.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Drano on April 03, 2015, 12:26:11 PM


iphone apps can't resize, that's the problem.  Their excuse is that they want to guarantee readability and user experience.

But you know how they roll at Apple. In a year or so they'll come out with multitasking on their phones with a big ad campaign as if it's some new breakthrough they just invented. Like the watch thingy or tap and pay. And with a straight face!



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Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: -ammo- on April 03, 2015, 12:40:10 PM
I have friends in both camps.  It is interesting to note the difference in the personalities of those who favor one over the other.  Whatever your personality is, there seems to be a phone for you.


I am interested to hear your observations on this.  This has gotta be good :aok
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 03, 2015, 01:15:13 PM
It is an excellent criteria.  People should buy what fits their personal requirements.  In my mind, that is the proper way to buy a smart phone.  Make a list of requirements, and buy the product which fits those requirements.

Simple.

while this is true skuzzy, you really should know what you buy before you do it.  dang phone companies load phones with all kinds of "system" apps that we dont need or plan to use and you cannot delete them.  rooting the phone and installing a custom rom does get rid of those apps and makes your phone faster.

I kindda compare it to buying an off the shelf computer loaded with McAfee and all other crap versus just buying win7 and installing it yourself.

semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 03, 2015, 02:15:49 PM

I am interested to hear your observations on this.  This has gotta be good :aok

It is not all that dramatic.  Some people want an appliance, others want a do-it-yourself kit.

In those two basic groups are two more basic groups.  The emotional buyer and the grounded buyer.

There are some other fringe types, but those groups just about cover the bulk of the smart phone buyers.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 05, 2015, 08:45:18 PM
George there is an app out there that allows you to move programs from the phone to your SD card if I remember right its called appSD I did a quick google search with your phone name and came up with a lot of options ...

 Try a Google search like this  " how to move apps to the sd card on a lg optimus dynamic phone"  it came back with numerous results including the appsd program recommendation
Thanks 68ZooM , I try that .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: -ammo- on April 06, 2015, 06:43:44 AM
It is not all that dramatic.  Some people want an appliance, others want a do-it-yourself kit.

In those two basic groups are two more basic groups.  The emotional buyer and the grounded buyer.

There are some other fringe types, but those groups just about cover the bulk of the smart phone buyers.

I don't fall into either group by that definition.  I just want something that works with out a fuss.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 06, 2015, 07:03:21 AM
I don't fall into either group by that definition.  I just want something that works with out a fuss.

That would be an appliance ammo.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: -ammo- on April 06, 2015, 07:47:04 AM
That would be an appliance ammo.

Or a hammer, screwdriver, Ford Mustang, or on the subject, an IPhone.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 06, 2015, 01:06:09 PM
I don't fall into either group by that definition.  I just want something that works with out a fuss.

That means you want an appliance.  The only remaining distinction is if you can objectively evaluate the available options without getting emotionally biased by preconceptions about one brand or another.

For example, I know some people who want an appliance smartphone, but who are so bent out of shape by Apple's "our way or the highway" approach that they refuse to consider apple products that would otherwise meet their needs.  They often end up searching through the dozens of available android phones looking for the one that in the end feels the most like an iphone.  I was like that when I first wanted a smartphone and ended up with a palm pre.  That was a nice phone but it was a developmental dead end and I ended up figuring that if an iphone did what I wanted and my wife's friends had iphones, then we'd get iphones next time.  We've been happy with iphones ever since, although I might have to dump iphones due to the size growth.  I upgraded to a 5S because neither of the iphone 6 models will fit in my pocket.  If they don't offer a 5S sized phone next generation I'll have to figure out something else.  I could end up with a dumb "free" or pay as you go flip phone again if the iphones don't fit in my pocket.  Sometimes form factor is a hard and fast requirement and the fact that Apple simply doesn't care has to be accounted for when getting past the emotional buying decision and picking a device that I'll be happy with.  Either the device fits the requirements or not, and who cares what the manufacturer's design focus is.

The only exception I have to that rule is Sony...  Those bastards rooted my computer years ago and nobody was ever held accountable or even apologized for what is now a serious federal crime with severe penalties.  No matter how good it is, I don't buy anything from Sony that will touch my computer or handle any private information, and I don't even let my sony "smart" BD player on the same network as my home computers.  Once bitten...

Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: -ammo- on April 06, 2015, 02:18:24 PM
That means you want an appliance.  The only remaining distinction is if you can objectively evaluate the available options without getting emotionally biased by preconceptions about one brand or another.


I am not not emotionally connected to any device, OS, VC, whatever.  Yea - I tend to like Ford cars... but different subject altogether


I spend my money to provide the wants/needs I see fit.  Say what you want - the IPhone delivers- turn it on and it works
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 06, 2015, 02:21:03 PM
I spend my money to provide the wants/needs I see fit.  Say what you want - the IPhone delivers- turn it on and it works

That's why I have an iphone too.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 06, 2015, 02:52:43 PM
I am pretty sure no one is saying anything bad about the iPhone.

If the product fits your needs, then you got the right product.  I feel for those who buy a product which does not fit their needs and then watch them try to make it fit.  It is not pretty.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 06, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
I am pretty sure no one is saying anything bad about the iPhone.

I am. It's too darn big :)
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 06, 2015, 06:45:32 PM
I am. It's too darn big :)

Agree
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 06, 2015, 08:26:42 PM
I do think the new cameras in the iphone 6 are awesome though.  There's a big jump in quality and they threw in some basic image processing styles "free".  That's been one of the best parts of my wife having an iphone 6.  We can take pics anywhere that rival the quality we got with a $300 compact camera just a few years ago.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Gman on April 06, 2015, 08:43:55 PM
I can't believe how much better the cameras in the iphones are than the iPads.  I got in a hit in run right before xmas, and had my Ipad in the car - the first pictures I've ever taken with it.  They were terrible, even on the best/highest res - complete crap.  A passerby had an iPhone 5, and took some of the scene as well and emailed them to me.  Huge difference.  I thought it was a settings issue, but it isn't.  Ipad Air pics = pretty bad, it's made mainly for skype type applications, not still pics so I've read now, but it's pretty disappointing to have such a bad still cam in a 500$ device, when a 300$ phone from Apple gets a far, far better camera.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Lazerr on April 06, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
Have had only samsung S products lately and they are great until i do something stupid to them.  This S4 has been my favorite one too date.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 06, 2015, 09:23:30 PM
Wounder why the iphone has no SD slot ? Main reason I do not like them that and no usb plug .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 06, 2015, 10:28:43 PM
Gman the iphone isn't $300.  It costs more like $800-$900.  Phone service contract subsidies drop the price for most people.  Ipads are essentially the same as "unlocked" iphones, which is why they cost more.  An ipad with a 3 year data service contract would probably cost $100.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 07, 2015, 08:48:58 AM
I am. It's too darn big :)

You'd poop a brick if you had to deal with a Samsung Note 4 (or later).  :)

Talk about big!

Actually, I am with you on this point.  It is one of the reasons I still carry a flip phone, because I do not have to carry it! :D  It fits in any of my pockets.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 07, 2015, 08:52:20 AM
You'd poop a brick if you had to deal with a Samsung Note 4 (or later).  :)

Talk about big!

I'd just enable data on my ipad mini and carry that around.  I've seen some guys who like that gangsta look holding that thing up to their head...  Looks as silly as their pants halfway down their butt and their seats reclined so they can't see out of their car.  Lots of image, not a whole lot of substance in a lot of cases.  Still, I suppose some people need to present some sort of fantasy image to give them something to do.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: -ammo- on April 07, 2015, 10:49:27 AM
I am. It's too darn big :)

I have a 5c.  It's not too big for my purposes and I can surf porn just about anywhere! :joystick:

Now I just bought my wife a 6+ and that thing is too big for a man - IMO.  She loves it and it doesn't bother her since she always has a purse.

My complaint with this phone is sometimes thinks it's smarter than me and decides what word I really meant.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Gman on April 07, 2015, 10:53:38 AM
Maybe a new 6 iphone costs that Eagl, but I was referring to the camera used to take the pics along with my Ipad, which was the cheaper iPhone 5c version, which is easy to find for 300$ around here. or 1/2 that or less with a contract.   You can buy a brand new 4s for 195$ no contract from any shop in town, and that iPhone, as well as the 5c, have cameras which blow the current iPad Air, of which I have 2, right out of the water.  I don't have a 5c or 6, just a couple prepaid 4s, which I paid again only 200$ new for incl setup at the store each.  That's what I don't understand, why a 600$ ipad has such a garbage camera compared to a 2 or 3 hundred dollar phone, current prices/times being equal.  I'm not making a point about phone prices, just that ipad vs phone prices, the ipads being equal or very close to the cost of a phone, are equipped with completely crap cameras by comparison. 
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 07, 2015, 11:13:30 AM
I'd just enable data on my ipad mini and carry that around.  I've seen some guys who like that gangsta look holding that thing up to their head...  Looks as silly as their pants halfway down their butt and their seats reclined so they can't see out of their car.  Lots of image, not a whole lot of substance in a lot of cases.  Still, I suppose some people need to present some sort of fantasy image to give them something to do.

Right there with you. 

Although my Wife has the new Note, and she loves it.  For work, she says it blows away anything she has ever used, simply because of the stylus.  She will be recording the audio of a meeting and making side notes with the stylus.  For her, it is pretty slick.

Ever seen one of those laid down drivers try and get out of the car?  Talk about seeing something that is about as uncool as it can be.  It is a laugh riot.  Apparently some of them break the seat recliner so they can get really low. :)
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 07, 2015, 11:47:06 AM
There was a time when I was living in a bad part of town and considered lining the inside of my front car doors with some sort of fragmentation resistant fabric... maybe scrap Kevlar or something.  I moved out before I was able to fund the fabric and that saved me a lot of effort.  I suppose there are some actual gangster types out there who really don't want to be identified but sheesh, they drive the same dang car every day, have the music up super loud so everyone stares (or glares) at them when they get within a few hundred meters, and there's no way they've done anything to make the doors more likely to stop bullets.  So its mostly to show everyone how bad they are that they need to hide inside their car as they drive around with the windows down and the stereo up.

Those guys gotta hold tablets up to their heads to show how they've got the latest and greatest and biggest phone on the planet.  Yea some people like the big phones for the functionality and my wife wanted the larger 6 because the 4S was actually pretty hard to read sometimes and she likes to use it for web access since our sprint account has unlimited data.  I guess for some people the required "functionality" is nothing other than the image.  It kind of makes sense when you consider that business laptops need to have a certain business-like appearance to them so the appearance is a required feature and not an option...

Still, you kids pull up your dang pants, take your stupidly huge phone, and get off my lawn!   :old:
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: eagl on April 07, 2015, 11:49:20 AM
Gman I think the camera module itself is pretty expensive and makes up a good part of the price difference.  The 6+ even has an active anti-vibration dingus, not the software anti-shake mode the 6 has.  That's not cheap.

I do sympathize with you though, and wish the ipads had a better camera.  I don't think I would have bought one if it was much more expensive though.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Lusche on April 07, 2015, 01:35:50 PM
You'd poop a brick if you had to deal with a Samsung Note 4 (or later).  :)

Talk about big!

Actually, I am with you on this point.  It is one of the reasons I still carry a flip phone, because I do not have to carry it! :D  It fits in any of my pockets.

I do have a phone in the same size class as the Note 4 (albeit a much cheaper one). 5.7" screen.
And yes, it still does fit in any of my pockets, quite easily actually.
It may look weird when I hold an item that big against my ear... but then I rarely use it to actually phone at all (something like 1-2 call per month).
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 07, 2015, 02:24:36 PM
well wait till you guys get to be as blind as I am at reading close stuff, you gonna wish your phone was as big as a  17in laptop just so you dont have to spend 2 minutes looking for your reading glasses  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.

I got a little better than 20/20 vision at distance but anything close to me I cant see crap  :old: :old: :old:.

I have the note 2 and I cant read without glasses, heck last night I went out with a friend and I had to order food based on the pictures since I forgot my reading glasses, hate getting old.




semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 07, 2015, 02:29:37 PM
I do have a phone in the same size class as the Note 4 (albeit a much cheaper one). 5.7" screen.
And yes, it still does fit in any of my pockets, quite easily actually.
It may look weird when I hold an item that big against my ear... but then I rarely use it to actually phone at all (something like 1-2 call per month).

You have some big pockets.  No way I can get that Note thing into my pockets and still sit down.  It certainly does not fit my shirt pockets either.


well wait till you guys get to be as blind as I am at reading close stuff, you gonna wish your phone was as big as a  17in laptop just so you dont have to spend 2 minutes looking for your reading glasses  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.

I got a little better than 20/20 vision at distance but anything close to me I cant see crap  :old: :old: :old:.

I have the note 2 and I cant read without glasses, heck last night I went out with a friend and I had to order food based on the pictures since I forgot my reading glasses, hate getting old.

Yet another reason for me to hang on to that flip phone.  Nothing to read on its screen. :)
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Lusche on April 07, 2015, 02:58:44 PM
You have some big pockets.  No way I can get that Note thing into my pockets and still sit down.  It certainly does not fit my shirt pockets either.

Well, shirt pockets I don't know, I don't have any  :lol

But it's in the front pockets of my pants right now while I'm sitting at the computer to write this message. No problems to sit down.
My jacket's pockets are so large, a lot of stuff is fitting in there in addition to my Wiko  :)
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Lusche on April 07, 2015, 03:18:30 PM
My Wiko in its protective case, in hand and in my pocket. Please excuse the bad image quality.

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/inhand_zpsfvkwbzui.jpg)

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/inpocket_zpsylql4gjm.jpg)


Note that this budget phone is a tad bigger in it's dimensions than the Samsung Note 4
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 07, 2015, 03:22:19 PM
I tried to put it in my pants pocket and could not sit without it digging into my hip/thigh.  I tried it in my shorts pocket and it squirted out of the pocket and scurried across the floor as soon as I sat down.  Thank goodness for gorilla glass.

It might fit in my jacket coat pocket, but I seldom wear that as it is rarely cool enough here to do so.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Wiley on April 07, 2015, 03:26:16 PM
My Wiko in its protective case, in hand and in my pocket. Please excuse the bad image quality.

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/inhand_zpsfvkwbzui.jpg)

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/inpocket_zpsylql4gjm.jpg)


Note that this budget phone is a tad bigger in it's dimensions than the Samsung Note 4

Yeah, but aren't you like 6'8" or so? ;)

Wiley.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Lusche on April 07, 2015, 03:26:34 PM
I tried to put it in my pants pocket and could not sit without it digging into my hip/thigh.

Well, I'm considerably taller than you, so are my pants and I guess the pockets too  :D
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 07, 2015, 03:28:50 PM
That's true.  I am only 6'4" tall.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Lusche on April 07, 2015, 03:34:02 PM
Cute

:bolt:



Yeah, but aren't you like 6'8" or so? ;)

 :aok
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Skuzzy on April 07, 2015, 03:59:17 PM
Cute

:bolt:

 :aok

I do not do cute. :)  If you are 6'8" tall, then that is quite a bit taller than I am.  It could make the difference.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: guncrasher on April 07, 2015, 05:04:48 PM
I do not do cute. :)  If you are 6'8" tall, then that is quite a bit taller than I am.  It could make the difference.

gonna report you for being way too funny  :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl.



semp
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: Flench on April 07, 2015, 06:16:37 PM
My Wiko in its protective case, in hand and in my pocket. Please excuse the bad image quality.

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/inhand_zpsfvkwbzui.jpg)

(http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Snaildude/inpocket_zpsylql4gjm.jpg)


Note that this budget phone is a tad bigger in it's dimensions than the Samsung Note 4
No way I could get that thing in any of my pocket's . I can hardly get my bar phone in my front pocket but I have all ways wore tight jeans .
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: FLOOB on April 07, 2015, 07:24:20 PM
I spend my money to provide the wants/needs I see fit.  Say what you want - the IPhone delivers- turn it on and it works
Bingo. Whenever my friends complain about their phones messing up and having to take them back to the store I tell them to get an iphone, mine has never had a problem. They never listen. And yeah the 6 is way too big, I wish apple would resist the temptation to turn the iphone into some kind of phone/pad uber unter dingus hybrid like it's competitors are doing with their phones. Phones are so big now even dudes are carrying phone purses. One thing about the android, as a grown bellybutton man, the idea of having a phone called android is not appealing to me.
Title: Re: Need help with a mobile phone form some of you smart guy's
Post by: jeep00 on April 09, 2015, 08:10:10 PM
I like my gs3 and it is in an Armor case so it is sizeable. Fits in my pocket still. My next will likely be the note 4. It is as big at the edges as my present phone in ot's case. Personally I am glad they are getting to have some heft to them. The smaller ones don't feel right, no balance to them. And the note 4 will be a bigger screen which will help my old eyes as I mount my phine o the dash when off road for viewi maps and mapping as well. I would like a tablet, but need the phone function on occasion.
I am happy with android. As to the name, well, iPhone and android imply the same thing to me in scifi. But I do love my countless free and awesome apps.