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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: zack1234 on April 18, 2015, 04:45:37 PM
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A famous big game hunter in Africa has been trampled to death by a bull elephant he shot.
What skill is there in shooting an unarmed Elephant who just wants to eat leaves?
If your not defending your family or property what the hell are you doing shooting things?
elephant 1
Silly coward with a gun 0 and squashed flat as a pancake.
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:aok
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Must've been the wildlife version of the 'knockout' game.
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A famous big game hunter in Africa has been trampled to death by a bull elephant he shot.
What skill is there in shooting an unarmed Elephant who just wants to eat leaves?
If your not defending your family or property what the hell are you doing shooting things?
elephant 1
Silly coward with a gun 0 and squashed flat as a pancake.
cant say I always agree with you...but on this I certainly do. :aok
ever see the video where the tiger attacks people on an elephants back?
if not..... youtube search for "tiger attacks man on elephant" :rofl :aok
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A famous big game hunter in Africa has been trampled to death by a bull elephant he shot.
What skill is there in shooting an unarmed Elephant who just wants to eat leaves?
Apparently dodging is a useful skill.
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A famous big game hunter in Africa has been trampled to death by a bull elephant he shot.
What skill is there in shooting an unarmed Elephant who just wants to eat leaves?
If your not defending your family or property what the hell are you doing shooting things?
elephant 1
Silly coward with a gun 0 and squashed flat as a pancake.
Proof that elephants will HO
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Turkey, deer and squirrels dont mind hanging out together. ducks, geese and muskrats seem to be cool with each other. but for some reason when they see me they take off running. hmmmm :headscratch: i wonder if they they think im a hawk? naa they would probably fight the hawk. i know the blackbirds like to give the hawk hell. :old:
:t
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I heard someone tried to hunt Winston but Winston approached the hunter and apologized for not being closer... Needless to say the hunter spared Winston and they shared pancakes with maple syrup...
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Maple syrup is awesome! Second best Canadian export after 'Men Without Hats' :old:
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Apparently none of y'all are hunters or have been to Africa. Its tragic but knowing their is risk involved in dangerous game is part of the sport. This hunter has done more for the animals than any one that sits at a computer and says wtg on his death. Thats just sick.. The money and active dedication in a big game hunt is tremendous. It goes so much further than any outside could even imagine.
Come to my ranch for a couple days and find out the truth about hunting and the outdoors..
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Apparently none of y'all are hunters or have been to Africa. Its tragic but knowing their is risk involved in dangerous game is part of the sport. This hunter has done more for the animals than any one that sits at a computer and says wtg on his death. Thats just sick.. The money and active dedication in a big game hunt is tremendous. It goes so much further than any outside could even imagine.
Come to my ranch for a couple days and find out the truth about hunting and the outdoors..
Shooting an endangered species is not hunting, it's evil. This is not keeping deer population down. Anyone who gets it hunting elephants got his just desserts.
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The African Elephant is not endangered. The Asian Elephant is.
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I guarantee that hunter was more of a conservation for animals than anyone. Especially a PH which is trained in wild life management. As a Ph its a honor to be trusted to hunt and manage game. Please do your homework before you give a thumbs up for a hunter that was killed doing what he loved.
I have been to Africa hunting and all i can say is that the animals are thriving in areas that poachers dominated in the 80"s. This revenue helps the tribes, government and other to keep none licensed poachers off national parks. Without it some of the big 3 ivy tusk animals would be gone.
It might not be in ever-ones blood but as a hunter its upsetting to see others publicly endorse the death of another humane. Sick..
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Apparently none of y'all are hunters or have been to Africa. Its tragic but knowing their is risk involved in dangerous game is part of the sport. This hunter has done more for the animals than any one that sits at a computer and says wtg on his death. Thats just sick.. The money and active dedication in a big game hunt is tremendous. It goes so much further than any outside could even imagine.
Come to my ranch for a couple days and find out the truth about hunting and the outdoors..
Give me strength. If you are hunting for food then fine. Shooting Elephants is plain sick. Being inept enough as a hunter to get flattened by one is simply karma. :old:
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The African Elephant is not endangered. The Asian Elephant is.
It's the other way around. African Elephants are protected wild animals, Asian Elephants partially serve as draught animals although the wild living ones have got somewhat endangered, too.
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ya sorry man...no friggen excuse to hunt Elephant...none what so ever....
hunt game animals.... Elephants are NOT game animals...hunt for food...
if you wanna do something to help the animals...ya...shoot em thats the fn ticket.... :rolleyes:
I just don't understand that thinking.
same mentality got rid of the Tasmanian Tiger....and that pisses me off to no end.
ill stop here...before I get banned.
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theyve been game animals for years and years you ladies worry about something a bit more important if you would, like our country.....its kinda goin down hill like this thread.
As for hunting elephants its a choice people make folks enjoy hunting and you goons enjoy laughing about the death of a hunter.....to each his own. Yall are behind though, elephants have lost a lot more of those shootouts than theyve won.
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theyve been game animals for years and years you ladies worry about something a bit more important if you would, like our country.....its kinda goin down hill like this thread.
As for hunting elephants its a choice people make folks enjoy hunting and you goons enjoy laughing about the death of a hunter.....to each his own. Yall are behind though, elephants have lost a lot more of those shootouts than theyve won.
Maybe we have to give the elephants a few rifles, then let's see who loses!
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Please note the elephant was in no way or form North Korean.
And yes we all agree if you have a express rifle your real man who defends freedom of speech.
They shoot african elephants because they have the coin too.
Using a spear on a elephant takes skill.
Do they eat said elephant.
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I wonder what elephant tastes like fried in butter.... Or deep fried....
Guess I need to plan a safari
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I heard someone tried to hunt Winston but Winston approached the hunter and apologized for not being closer... Needless to say the hunter spared Winston and they shared pancakes with maple syrup...
:rofl :aok
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Apparently none of y'all are hunters or have been to Africa. Its tragic but knowing their is risk involved in dangerous game is part of the sport. This hunter has done more for the animals than any one that sits at a computer and says wtg on his death. Thats just sick.. The money and active dedication in a big game hunt is tremendous. It goes so much further than any outside could even imagine.
Come to my ranch for a couple days and find out the truth about hunting and the outdoors..
I agree 100% with you FX.......the tens of thousands of dollars this one hunter paid to hunt this animal goes right back into the budget of the game wardens the country (Zimbabwe) uses to protect these animals from poachers. (Yes that's tens of thousands, not thousands)Not to mention the thousands in equipment this hunter purchased here in the US that (by law) a portion of goes to protect and conserve wildlife here in the US. Hunters are one of the ( if not the) largest contributors to the protection and conservation of wildlife, and their habitat.
I guess it's just easier to get emotional then do a little homework or research into how these hunts help these species.
I'm not going to even touch the fact that people are saying this man got what he deserved. I'm quite certain this man has done more to conserve wildlife and protect threatened species than anyone here reveling in his death. Pathetic.
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See Rule #14
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I agree 100% with you FX.......the tens of thousands of dollars this one hunter paid to hunt this animal goes right back into the budget of the game wardens the country (Zimbabwe) uses to protect these animals from poachers. (Yes that's tens of thousands, not thousands)Not to mention the thousands in equipment this hunter purchased here in the US that (by law) a portion of goes to protect and conserve wildlife here in the US. Hunters are one of the ( if not the) largest contributors to the protection and conservation of wildlife, and their habitat.
I guess it's just easier to get emotional then do a little homework or research into how these hunts help these species.
I'm not going to even touch the fact that people are saying this man got what he deserved. I'm quite certain this man has done more to conserve wildlife and protect threatened species than anyone here reveling in his death. Pathetic.
Gibberish and you know it
Donate the money to poor Africans to stop them selling endangered carcasses to millionaires.
The bloke who got trampled did it for his own gratification don't paint it any other way.
Emotional?, I could not give a rats butt cheek about elephants I will never have enough coin to visit these god forsaken countries to see one.
The Bull elephant getting blasted and with its dying breath taking him out is no ones fault but his own.
If one of you would say we do it because we have the coin I would understand it, don't come back with the conversation nonsense.
Cull the elephant's but don't make a business out of it.
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Sounds like he got overconfident when he decided to start tracking the bull by himself. I've never hunted elephants, but I can think of at least 216 reasons why I'd like to have another set of eyes around if I were.
Some of you fussing about hunting sound exactly like my wife when she fusses about video games. I get that it's not your cup of tea, but take a moment to process what you're typing, will you. Being happy about someone dying whom you didn't know is poor form, IMO. As for a hunter's role in conservation, it's pretty simple. In a lot of places around the world, it's the hunters who are the most invested (financially and emotionally) in seeing their chosen game animals survive and thrive. Non-hunters, save for a few PETA members, usually don't care very much... or at least not enough to help out. So yes, hunters pull the trigger from time to time and kill things, but they usually contribute far more than they take away. You guys see the headlines, trophies, and stories, but you should probably follow them around for a bit before you really commit to that opinion that today's hunters are all maniacal, blood-thirsty jerks who only know death.
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I agree 100% with you FX.......the tens of thousands of dollars this one hunter paid to hunt this animal goes right back into the budget of the game wardens the country (Zimbabwe) uses to protect these animals from poachers. (Yes that's tens of thousands, not thousands)Not to mention the thousands in equipment this hunter purchased here in the US that (by law) a portion of goes to protect and conserve wildlife here in the US. Hunters are one of the ( if not the) largest contributors to the protection and conservation of wildlife, and their habitat.
I guess it's just easier to get emotional then do a little homework or research into how these hunts help these species.
I'm not going to even touch the fact that people are saying this man got what he deserved. I'm quite certain this man has done more to conserve wildlife and protect threatened species than anyone here reveling in his death. Pathetic.
Of course the tens of thousands goes into creating idyllic pacchyderm habitats in Zimbabwe. After all, Bob Mugabe is happy to just past that cash on to game reserves. Bearing in mind what a benevolent and thoughtful soul he is. Rarely have I read such nonsense.
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It's the other way around. African Elephants are protected wild animals, Asian Elephants partially serve as draught animals although the wild living ones have got somewhat endangered, too.
The African elephant is not listed as endangered, but vulnerable. The Asian elephant is listed as endangered. There are ten times as many African elephants than there are Asian.
From Wiki:
"African elephants were listed as vulnerable by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) in 2008, with no independent assessment of the conservation status of the two forms.[29] In 1979, Africa had an estimated minimum population of 1.3 million elephants, with a possible upper limit of 3.0 million. By 1989, the population was estimated to be 609,000; with 277,000 in Central Africa, 110,000 in eastern Africa, 204,000 in southern Africa, and 19,000 in western Africa. About 214,000 elephants were estimated to live in the rainforests, fewer than had previously been thought. From 1977 to 1989, elephant populations declined by 74% in East Africa. After 1987, losses in elephant numbers accelerated, and savannah populations from Cameroon to Somalia experienced a decline of 80%. African forest elephants had a total loss of 43%. Population trends in southern Africa were mixed, with anecdotal reports of losses in Zambia, Mozambique and Angola, while populations grew in Botswana and Zimbabwe and were stable in South Africa.[145] Conversely, studies in 2005 and 2007 found populations in eastern and southern Africa were increasing by an average annual rate of 4.0%.[29] Due to the vast areas involved, assessing the total African elephant population remains difficult and involves an element of guesswork. The IUCN estimates a total of around 440,000 individuals for 2012.[146]
African elephants receive at least some legal protection in every country where they are found, but 70% of their range exists outside protected areas. Successful conservation efforts in certain areas have led to high population densities. As of 2008, local numbers were controlled by contraception or translocation. Large-scale cullings ceased in 1988, when Zimbabwe abandoned the practice. In 1989, the African elephant was listed under Appendix I by the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES), making trade illegal. Appendix II status (which allows restricted trade) was given to elephants in Botswana, Namibia and Zimbabwe in 1997 and South Africa in 2000. In some countries, sport hunting of the animals is legal; Botswana, Cameroon, Gabon, Mozambique, Namibia, South Africa, Tanzania, Zambia, and Zimbabwe have CITES export quotas for elephant trophies.[29]
In 2008, the IUCN listed the Asian elephant as endangered due to a 50% population decline over the past 60–75 years,[147] while CITES lists the species under Appendix I.[147] Asian elephants once ranged from Syria and Iraq (the subspecies Elephas maximus asurus), to China (up to the Yellow River)[148] and Java. It is now extinct in these areas,[147] and the current range of Asian elephants is highly fragmented.[148] The total population of Asian elephants is estimated to be around 40,000–50,000, although this may be a loose estimate. It is likely that around half of the population is in India. Although Asian elephants are declining in numbers overall, particularly in Southeast Asia, the population in the Western Ghats appears to be increasing.[147]"
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Another false statement is that a elephant goes to waste. I have personally been apart of a elephant hunt and after the kill 20 of the local tribe men were at the seen within a couple hours. Before the next day most of the carcass was cleaned but as the tribes tradition they didn't take the head so that other animals could a feast. I have no interest in killing a elephant but i do understand that their a natural resources and if managed properly bring $$ and food to some of the poorest people on this earth.
Nature life cycle is constant and as a hunter we are the ones to protect and pass down our traditions. Its sadden me that their are more people in this world that dont hunt than in my fathers generation. I eat wild game every other meal and i am proud that my family has the opportunity to experience the outdoors.
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I stand corrected. I mistranslated vulnerable to endangered.
That doesn't nullify the fact that the amount of African elephants has dropped dramatically during the last decades and even more during the last two centuries. It's a massive drop from 27 millions to 700000 http://www.edgeofexistence.org/mammals/species_info.php?id=77#population_trend (http://www.edgeofexistence.org/mammals/species_info.php?id=77#population_trend) on an area 1.5 times as large as North America. African countries would be drowning in dollars if they had got tens of thousands for each killed elephant. I don't believe the elephants have had to give way to African metropolises.
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I had a pheasant shot by my brother in law the other day.
Feeding African's in Mugabe's ruined country is not the way forward.
Zimbabwe was the biggest food producer in Africa.
Now your saying killing elephants is used to feed these people.
The moon is made out of cheese as well.
They shoot elephant's because they have the coin.
I bet they feel AWESOME after despatching one, and they neck a couple of Viagra to get a rod.
What skill is there in killing a Elephant with a express rifle?
Rich people again taking advantage of poor people.
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Apparently dodging is a useful skill.
you would not be able to dodge an elephant, at all
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Rarely have I read such nonsense.
Well if you re-read what you posted prior to posting this sentence , it will be much less rare. Educate yourself in the subject a bit and then get back to me.
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So much wrong with some of the replies in this thread. So much being vented based on emotional "impact, probably generated on the basis of watching "nature' films like bambi and dumbo. There are valid reasons for limited hunting of critters to include elephant. As already mentioned the meat does not go to waste.
Elephants, like all other wild animals have a limited range of area to live in. Population pressure, whether it be by over population of said critter, human encroachment or environmental swings has a detrimental impact on that population. Thinking it is far more humane (a man made egocentric term that has no basis in nature) to allow the critters to live or die by the vagaries of nature ignore the cruelty of nature itself. Then there is the other aspect of elephants, that they do live in close proximity to man and do sometimes go "rogue" raiding farm land or storage areas rather than forage in the wild where it's harder to find enough to eat. That same proximity can also endanger the humans that live and depend on those farms to survive.
Man, being a part of nature himself, can and often does take a hand in managing the population of critters rather than let them cycle out of control resulting in over population disease and starvation of same critters before nature whittles the numbers back, hopefully before they become extinct in the area. Man is more "humane" than nature is by any yardstick you want to use to measure it by.
Humans who do not understand nature and do not feel a part of it tend to think of it in emotional terms rather than logical ones and decry anyone trying to help maintain a healthy population of critters coexisting with the human critters in the area.
Poaching, on the other hand, like those that go into preserves to kill rhino and elephants soley for the horns and tusks either for "medicine" or commercial knick knacks are definitely not maintaining a healthy population of critters. They are working at cross purposes and only to enrich themselves for a dubious gain at best.
As for me, I do not feel separated from nature and understand in general terms how it works as a system. I understand that in order for one organism to survive and grow another must perish, be it vegetable or animal. I have harvested my own food and have also bought it pre-harvested in the store. In either case, other organisms died to ensure I and my family survived.
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Gibberish and you know it
Donate the money to poor Africans to stop them selling endangered carcasses to millionaires.
The bloke who got trampled did it for his own gratification don't paint it any other way.
Emotional?, I could not give a rats butt cheek about elephants I will never have enough coin to visit these god forsaken countries to see one.
The Bull elephant getting blasted and with its dying breath taking him out is no ones fault but his own.
If one of you would say we do it because we have the coin I would understand it, don't come back with the conversation nonsense.
Cull the elephant's but don't make a business out of it.
How so? What in my statement is gibberish? The fact that a portion of the money for the permits goes to fund the game keepers, their equipment and to help conservation efforts for the animals? Not to mention private landowners opening their land to elephants and other game to be responsibley hunted and managed has resulted in a population increase in these African game animals?
The fact that a portion of the hunting equipment sales by law goes to conservation?
I can back up both statements with facts.
The business is hunting yes, but portions of the monies are doing a lot of good to protect these animals, increase their habitat, protect them from poachers and increase their numbers.
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Let's look at the pros and cons of African trophy hunting here.
Pros-
-Financial benefit (from permits) to wildlife conservation efforts.
-Financial benefit (from permits) to anti-poaching efforts.
-Financial boost to local economy (hiring of local guides, cooks, buying gear, hotels, airlines etc..).
-Meat goes to feed local tribal peoples.
-Legal regulation ensures that the only animals taken are those which are not threatened as a species. (unlike poaching)
-Regulation ensures that hunts happen in areas where it will not effect local populations of the species, or humans.
(and can benefit humans, do you realize the damage that just a single Elephant can do to a small local farmers crops.)
-Regulated hunting ensures the carrying capacity of localized ecosystems is not exceeded, avoiding cyclical population
crashes
Cons-
-Dumbo dies.
-It puts a damper on the career of poachers.
Anyone who opposes legal, regulation African big game hunts, by association supports poaching and destroying a big part of local economies whether they realize it or not.
It would be amusing if it weren't so said. Several times I've read these kind of mock outrage stories over legal big game/trophy hunts, sometimes with threats against the hunters themselves. Yet I've never hear a peep of outrage from these same people over the poaching going on in Africa that actually is a legitimate threat to some species (Black Rhinos, Lowland and Mtn. Gorillas etc..)
Do these imbeciles not realize that by taking away legal, regulated hunting, and the financial proceeds that come from that, they are taking away the very tools that African game management agencies use to combat poachers and promote conservation? Heck without those hunts, there would be no game management in Africa, and the poachers would have driven several species to extinction by now.
Here's a news flash people. Homo Sapiens are part of this planet just like every other animal on it. So how come it's somehow wrong for us to effect the food web and ecosystem just like every other species? And unlike any other species on this rock, we CARE about other species enough to go to great efforts to ensure their survival and prosperity.
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Both sides are entrenched in their positions, and won't be shifted.
Do hunters help conservation efforts? Greatly. Are these particular hunters rich arse hats that don't really give a damn about elephants? Most probably.
You're both right, and still both idiots in spite of it.
Now quit applauding someone's death. All life is precious, and just because that man killed animals before doesn't make his life worth any less.
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No one applauded his death only the fact that this evil man was owned by an inocent animal.
He hunted for coin and blood lust.
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If i remember correctly the elephant hunt cost him 50k plus.. It was a ten day hunt and they shot it on day 9. They stayed out in the bush for 5 days tracking a certain bull that the game wardens had classified as a nuisance animal. It was one of his last hunts and also a life long goal. It was awesome to be a part of it for a couple days and watch the guides work a trail for hours on end. Remember that just because you go hunting doesn't always end with a kill.
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My heart bleeds
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why don't you awesome hunters take a look at all the animals that WE humans have hunted into extinction.....
I don't give a crap who I am about to offend.....
I am glad he got trampled screw him....one less dick in the world....
if you so called trophy hunters were so fn concerned about the animals you kill..... you would help with money to fight poachers...
not be a "legal" poacher......because that is all you are.
emotional oh yes you are right....I get very pissed when people try to make excuses for their needless killing of magnificent animals...and would be very happy if I could do something about it.
makes me laugh at your moronic thought process....reminds me of Bush.....saying "all life is sacred and precious" and the next line..."we will KIll those 'terrorists'"
ya lets Bomb that town to save it......kill everything to make it right...
no..... kill everything that doesn't fit in with you...or believe your ways....then make up some asinine excuses for the things we do.
reminds me of the guys who were killing pigeons in prison....they were not happy when I made them stop....I would have died for those birds.....they were not willing to die though.
people who think this trophy hunting is needed.......need to get your heads out of your arse.
I am done with this topic
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By ink, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
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I really would like to claim moral high ground in this thread, but I eat meat from industrial livestock production :uhoh
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Lots of huntin' to be done.
http://www.odditycentral.com/news/female-war-veteran-is-now-fighting-to-protect-africas-wildlife-from-poachers.html
(http://www.odditycentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Kinessa-Johnson5-550x366.jpg)
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I really would like to claim moral high ground in this thread, but I eat meat from industrial livestock production :uhoh
Yes there better be a lot of vegans in this thread or my hypocrisy meter is going to explode...
1. Hunting for food is fine as long as the harvesting is sustainable.
2. Hunting (culling) for population control is fine.
3. Hunting for sport is fine as long as it serves point 1 or 2. Sell the meat/animal or give it to someone who needs it.
4. Hunting to extinction is fine... IF we need to get rid of that species for sound reasons (pest/vermin).
5. Hunting humans is fine if they need to be.
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My lands guys....
We can hunt African elephants in the USA at Walmart.
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By ink, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out.
the truth hurts
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if you so called trophy hunters were so fn concerned about the animals you kill..... you would help with money to fight poachers...
Where do you think all that money for permits goes? Hunters donate more to conservation then any other demographic, especially American hunters, Google "Pittman-Robertson Act." or "Ducks Unlimited" or "Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation" or Whitetails Unlimited"
In Africa there are dozens of thriving national parks and preserves today, dedicated to conservation and rehabilitation of endangered and threatened species and ecosystems. Where to you think the money to pay for all that has come from? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, not from you. But a whole lot of it comes from the hunters which you decry.
emotional oh yes you are right....I get very pissed when people try to make excuses for their needless killing of magnificent animals...and would be very happy if I could do something about it.
makes me laugh at your moronic thought process....reminds me of Bush.....saying "all life is sacred and precious" and the next line..."we will KIll those 'terrorists'"
ya lets Bomb that town to save it......kill everything to make it right...
no..... kill everything that doesn't fit in with you...or believe your ways....then make up some asinine excuses for the things we do.
So.... just to be clear. You are opposed to the killing of any "magnificent animal" or any terrorists, or any pigeons. Also you are opposed to the killing of things that "doesn't fit in with you... or believe your ways..."
I am glad he got trampled screw him....one less dick in the world....
But you are perfectly happy to celebrate the death of a human being who; being a hunter "doesn't fit in with you... or believe your ways..."
Wow... I think my irony meter just broke, and I'll have to get my hypocrisy meter re-calibrated. :rolleyes:
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What do you feel when you shoot an elephant?
What do you feel?
Answer the question!
You can't
What do you feel when its dead?
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What do you feel when you shoot an elephant?
I've never shot an elephant. But I'm gonna say...
Recoil.
Seriously people. From what others have said, this elephant was found to be a nuisance by local wildlife officials, which likely meant it was destroying crops, homes, etc.. and generally making life very difficult for locals. Some rich guy pays lots of money (which goes to conservation and to fight poaching, hires local guides, which helps the local economy) for the chance to kill it. If he does kill it, it removes a nuisance from the local community, and gives them a nice feast of elephant meat.
The nuisance is gone, lots of money has gone to conservation and the local economy, and the locals get to eat well for free for a while.
This is a win, win, win for everyone (except the hunter in this rare instance)
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Satisfaction? ... I don't know since I've never shot an elephant, but I've shot just about everything else that walks or crawls.
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The elephant became a nuisense when it was worth $50k and you know it.
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Zack123 you should come hunting with me. It would be a good life lesson and hell you might enjoy it. Never took anyone out on a hunt that didn't have a story to bring back home or better yet meat for the freezer. Don't worry about coin I will fund the adventure..
We shoot pigs this time of the year.
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No I went threw the village and they showed us the hut and parts of the fencing from its last visit.
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The elephant became a nuisense when it was worth $50k and you know it.
Elephants are a common and dangerous nuisance for poor African farmers.
this from the WWF:
Elephants are not only being squeezed into smaller and smaller areas, but farmers plant crops that elephants like to eat. As a result, elephants frequently raid and destroy crops. They can be very dangerous too.
While many people in the West regard elephants with affection and admiration, the animals often inspire fear and anger in those who share their land.
Elephants eat up to 450kg of food per day. They are messy eaters, uprooting and scattering as much as is eaten. A single elephant makes light work of a hectare of crops in a very short time.
Consequences for local people
Small farmers - often desperately poor and already economically and nutritionally vulnerable, forced by circumstances to encroach into elephant habitat - can lose their entire livelihood overnight from an elephant raid.
Large agriculture is also affected. In the largest palm oil producing province in Indonesia, Riau, losses due to elephant damage of oil palm plantations and timber estates are estimated to be around US$105 million per year.
People are also often injured and killed. In India, over 100 people are killed by elephants each year, and over 200 people have been killed in Kenya over the last 7 years.
http://wwf.panda.org/what_we_do/endangered_species/elephants/human_elephant_conflict.cfm
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When a dangerous animal becomes fearless to humans its time took take it out before something bad happens.
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Eating a delicious Moose burger while I watch this thread unravel.
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Zack123 you should come hunting with me. It would be a good life lesson and hell you might enjoy it. Never took anyone out on a hunt that didn't have a story to bring back home or better yet meat for the freezer. Don't worry about coin I will fund the adventure..
We shoot pigs this time of the year.
I think hunting is wrong!!
Can I please come hunting with you now FX? :D
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I say they should add poachers to the big game menu...
A bit left of center but I have always thought this...it is my belief that they contribute to the flack actual hunters get for big game hunting.... As it was noted...nothing is wasted and proceededs go back to the area...although....hmmmmm no....that'll get politi.....
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Eating a delicious Moose burger while I watch this thread unravel.
Outrageous!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :old:
:)
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Is it better to have some Dandy pay $50k to kill an elephant, use that money for elephant conservation and then use the meat to make 1000 plates of elephant stew for hungry native villagers….
or….
To pay some farmer a fraction of that sum to brutally hack the heads off 500 chickens that lived their entire pitiful lives in a cage less than a square foot in size and then make 1000 plates of chicken stew for hungry native villagers?
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What do you feel when you shoot an elephant?
Recoil.
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Don't kid yourself. If an elephant could it would eat you and everyone you care about.
http://videosift.com/video/Troy-McClure-stars-in-MEAT-YOU
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Hmmm.
I could actually buy the argument about the creature having been a pest - I remember there was an episode of Louis Theroux in which he travelled to a SA hunting reserve.
The guy running the place finally lost his rag with Louis and said "I shrecking *hate* elephants," and proceeded to tell Louis why, reasons similar to what's been stated above. To Theroux's credit, he included in the program a later discussion with a local vet, who, quite un-prompted, described how deeply the SA dude actually cared about his animals.
That said, do I really think the fellow in the present story was out there trying to do good for the local environment and economy? Like hell. He was out there to boost his ego and the perceived size of his wedding tackle. One for the underdog in that case.
I remember we had a similar, and similarly-heated, thread in here once before about some woman who'd killed an elephant with a crossbow. Apparently her wedding tackle was just as big as the boys'. I can just see it now, she got downwind of the herd, snuck around them, crept up on one of the elephants and killed it instantly with a bolt. (Or, no, she didn't - she actually sat inside a pre-prepared hide at a water hole, shot the critter when it wandered up then waited for it to die slowly, before posing in front of it with her fetching pink crossbow and newly-enlarged johnson.) ptui!
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My heart bleeds
you shoot people on here right? I mean on Aces High?
If you enjoy the experience by proxy you are just as bad as this hunter.
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That said, do I really think the fellow in the present story was out there trying to do good for the local environment and economy? Like hell. He was out there to boost his ego and the perceived size of his wedding tackle.
Agreed.
Now the guy who whacks cows in the forehead with a sledgehammer hour after hour, day after day, so that McDonalds can prosper, that guy is a hero in my book.
- oldman (not to mention the poor sod who skins calves so that Gucci can make nice gloves)
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Agreed.
Now the guy who whacks cows in the forehead with a sledgehammer hour after hour, day after day, so that McDonalds can prosper, that guy is a hero in my book.
- oldman (not to mention the poor sod who skins calves so that Gucci can make nice gloves)
:lol
Yup, as some one else pointed out, either a whole lot of vegans in here, or a whole lot of hypocrites.
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Agreed.
Now the guy who whacks cows in the forehead with a sledgehammer hour after hour, day after day, so that McDonalds can prosper, that guy is a hero in my book.
- oldman (not to mention the poor sod who skins calves so that Gucci can make nice gloves)
Those guys do it to impress people / publish their adventures?
Got it.
Don't remember my uncle swinging his Richard over the steers he sent to market either, maybe I just didn't know him very well.
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I wonder what elephant tastes like fried in butter.... Or deep fried....
Guess I need to plan a safari
if you make a steak out of an elephant, can you imagine the size of the bread? it would take like the fat guy from food challenge or whatever it is to even try to eat an elephant steak sandwich.
semp
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^ wins thread.
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This entire thread has me like
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Zack123 you should come hunting with me. It would be a good life lesson and hell you might enjoy it. Never took anyone out on a hunt that didn't have a story to bring back home or better yet meat for the freezer. Don't worry about coin I will fund the adventure..
We shoot pigs this time of the year.
The only valid game is moose!
I have photographic evidence of pipz's moose voilating statues of important historical figures.
I have been out with my brother in law who has a gundog, he thinks its awesome.
I would rather put a gearbox in a lambretta.
Its a cultural thing and yoy have to be brought up with it.
Just shows how people are different
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Great. Now I have dreamed of elephants tonight... :uhoh
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See Rule #4
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That said, do I really think the fellow in the present story was out there trying to do good for the local environment and economy? Like hell. He was out there to boost his ego and the perceived size of his wedding tackle. One for the underdog in that case.
Oh, and just for the record, Ian Gibson was the guide, not the hunter....It is suspected that he shot the elephant to protect his client. He wasnt the Hunter. He was the guide, He was a well known steadfast conservationalist and a magnificent wildlife photographer. Mr Gibson began his wildlife career in Zimbabwe's department of national parks working to protect these animals. Again, this man has done more to protect these animals, than any of the people in this thread.......me included.
Quote "Mr Gibson lived in Marondera, a small town about 45 miles south east of Harare. A son who works in Tanzania and two grown daughters in Harare survive him.
Mr Smith (Paul Smith managing director of Chifuti Safaris') said poachers from neighbouring Mozambique and Zambia were "very busy" at present, and professional hunters were the first line of defence for wildlife along the borders.
Zimbabwe's National Parks operations were "seriously constrained" by lack of cash to finance enough patrols to limit or reduce poaching, he said."
By all means please feel free to react with emotion instead of looking into what these people do, or even the real facts behind the tragic event that took this mans life. Its evident thats how people would prefer to answer, based on emotion, instead of looking into any details on how allowing responsible and managed hunting, actually helps the species.
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You have ruined my thread :old:
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You took care of that with the OP, Zach.
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If AH was real i would shoot myself in the foot and hide in the woods, preferbly not near Winston the violator of underlings :old:
:rofl :aok
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Zack rules. :old:
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If AH was real i would shoot myself in the foot and hide in the woods, preferbly not near Winston the violator of underlings :old:
Winston has needs just like anyone else! :old:
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Oh, and just for the record, Ian Gibson was the guide, not the hunter....It is suspected that he shot the elephant to protect his client. He wasnt the Hunter. He was the guide, He was a well known steadfast conservationalist and a magnificent wildlife photographer. Mr Gibson began his wildlife career in Zimbabwe's department of national parks working to protect these animals. Again, this man has done more to protect these animals, than any of the people in this thread.......me included.
Quote "Mr Gibson lived in Marondera, a small town about 45 miles south east of Harare. A son who works in Tanzania and two grown daughters in Harare survive him.
Mr Smith (Paul Smith managing director of Chifuti Safaris') said poachers from neighbouring Mozambique and Zambia were "very busy" at present, and professional hunters were the first line of defence for wildlife along the borders.
Zimbabwe's National Parks operations were "seriously constrained" by lack of cash to finance enough patrols to limit or reduce poaching, he said."
By all means please feel free to react with emotion instead of looking into what these people do, or even the real facts behind the tragic event that took this mans life. Its evident thats how people would prefer to answer, based on emotion, instead of looking into any details on how allowing responsible and managed hunting, actually helps the species.
That's fair enough, consider me chastened.
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That's fair enough, consider me chastened.
Dont feel that way, it's a good discussion to have, that can be very emotional. No disrespect to you intended on my part.
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I didn't know Ian but I knew of him and know others that spoke very highly of him. I realize that the realities of elephant conservation in Africa aren't high on most folks radar, but I was still a little surprised when I read through this thread.
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Dont feel that way, it's a good discussion to have, that can be very emotional. No disrespect to you intended on my part.
No offense taken, but I made statements while being ignorant of the actual facts, never a good idea.
For the record, I don't hunt, I used to fish, first encountered this kind of thing when my old science teacher turned out to be an avid duck hunter. "Ducks Unlimited" I think was his group - they were restoring wetlands before environmentalism was fashionable. Dunno though, the images on the Theroux program stuck in my craw - fish in a barrel had a better chance.
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The most interesting, and surprising fact about this thread, is that it hasn't been locked....yet. :)
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The most interesting, and surprising fact about this thread, is that it hasn't been locked....yet. :)
Hey man, gimme time.
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Hey man, gimme time.
:rofl
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The only reason there is any wild life left in Africa is because of legal sport hunters. Or did you think Walt Disneys spends Billions of $$ teaching the animals to talk and making sure they have nice safe cartoon sets to live on?
Tags to hunt Elephants are very expensive, big Bulls start at about 60 g. The animal is going to die anyway, either the poachers will get him or old age will. Specific animals are hunted in areas that just have to many elephants for the habitat to support. Deforestation, habitat destruction, and poaching are the greatest enemy's to wildlife in Africa. Many a time I had to take apart a snare , on my trips there, left on game trails by poachers. Who sell the meat to buy drugs or booze. Often they are to high when they set them, to remember where they are, and all we found were animals left to die a cruel death at the end of a snare. Corrupt local Govt.'s often allow criminals to illegally kill protected Bulls for their ivory and a share of the $$ gained from the illegal ivory market.
Sport hunting is one of the largest industry's in Africa and provides many millions of $$ for habitat and protection of the animals by rangers. It also provides bookoo legit jobs and is a large boon to the tourist industry.
They really despise the American and European nut job Walt Disney crowd over there who have no idea of wild life conservation. Hunters have saved many species here in America as well. Deer, wild turkey, Elk, Grizzly, Ducks, the list goes on. Try searching "Pittman tax". Not only that but many private hunting organizations make large donations to wild life funds and causes. Then you have the licenses, tags, and taxes collected from the many, many jobs the industry creates.
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That famous Disney film "The Doolittle" raid shows speaking to animals.
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Where do you think all that money for permits goes? Hunters donate more to conservation then any other demographic, especially American hunters, Google "Pittman-Robertson Act." or "Ducks Unlimited" or "Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation" or Whitetails Unlimited"
In Africa there are dozens of thriving national parks and preserves today, dedicated to conservation and rehabilitation of endangered and threatened (by who?) species and ecosystems. Where to you think the money to pay for all that has come from? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, not from you. But a whole lot of it comes from the hunters which you decry.
Wow... I think my irony meter just broke, and I'll have to get my hypocrisy meter re-calibrated. :rolleyes:
I think my irony meter just broke
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Maple syrup is awesome! Second best Canadian export after 'Men Without Hats' :old:
Take off you hoser
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