General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mickey1992 on April 21, 2015, 09:15:05 PM
Title: Expensive touch and go
Post by: Mickey1992 on April 21, 2015, 09:15:05 PM
From Florida, some idiot coming in for a landing. I can't believe he didn't stall.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b41_1429465294
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Post by: Mar on April 21, 2015, 11:26:53 PM
The pilot flew back from his home filed on one piece?
Didn't even know that was possible!
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Post by: Karnak on April 21, 2015, 11:46:55 PM
I know a lot of Spits and Hurries were damaged that way due to the transition from fixed gear fighters. I wonder if the pilot here recently upgraded from something with fixed gear?
As far as the powering through it 'tactic' goes, I think he, or she, was bloody lucky the airplane still had any thrust after those prop strikes. It was a foolhardy thing to do rather than bellying it in.
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Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 22, 2015, 12:08:41 AM
I know a lot of Spits and Hurries were damaged that way due to the transition from fixed gear fighters. I wonder if the pilot here recently upgraded from something with fixed gear?
As far as the powering through it 'tactic' goes, I think he, or she, was bloody lucky the airplane still had any thrust after those prop strikes. It was a foolhardy thing to do rather than bellying it in.
Yep, his approach that far went so smooth it's almost unbelievable to think he'd try anything like that :D
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Post by: earl1937 on April 22, 2015, 02:53:31 AM
From Florida, some idiot coming in for a landing. I can't believe he didn't stall.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b41_1429465294
:airplane: Had it been anything but an "Aerostar" or Aero Commander, both of whom were designed by Ted Smith, he could not have gotten away with this! I did see a Aero commander "Strike" do the same thing at Lakeland, Fla one year and he only damaged the bottom of the fuselage slightly. No prop damage at all, as you can belly in the Commander without the props every touching the ground! There is another video feed when you tune to watch this, of a C-17 taking off from the cockpit view! Two things really strike me, the age of the pilots, and the radar return of storms moving into the area where they were at!
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Post by: Auger on April 22, 2015, 02:02:54 PM
What is that beeping? SCRAAAAAAAPE Oh yeah...
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Post by: earl1937 on April 22, 2015, 02:45:57 PM
:airplane: Anyone who flies retractable gear aircraft should use the check list prior to landing provided for that aircraft! But, there is another "cross-check" which you can do on short final and it goes like this, "GUMP"
G= gas on proper fuel cells for takeoff and landing
U= under carriage (a British expression for landing gear)
M= fuel mixtures full forward
P= prop controls to full increase or full forward, in case of a go around at last minute.
If you can in the habit of thinking about that each time you land, you will never do what this guy did!
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Post by: rabbidrabbit on April 22, 2015, 06:20:21 PM
Well.. I'll give him props for pulling it off!
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Post by: Volron on April 22, 2015, 06:23:36 PM
I wonder what kind of price he has to pay in fines for that stunt. :headscratch:
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Post by: icepac on April 22, 2015, 06:32:00 PM
Ah..........the power of ground effect.
Saw a three bladed expensive mooney land gear up, strike the prop, and go around to land with gear down.
We measured the amount taken off of each tip and it was over an inch and all 3 were within 1mm of each other.
Lucky man.......happened at W10 (manassas) when I worked at dulles aviation in 1984
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Post by: Butcher on April 22, 2015, 06:47:56 PM
I live 2 miles from the Sun N' Fun Flyin, my backyard turns into an emergency airport now and then. I've seen enough whiplash in my time I should of been an ambulance chaser...
/Usually I get home built aircrafts mostly that land here; I am under the landing pattern so its not usual to see something crash land, especially since thousands fly in for the event, the only bad part is while my "strip" of land looks safe, its already been destroyed by previous attempts to land because it looks green and "Solid" but its really marsh land, landing gears don't hold up and the aircrafts flip over, luckily nobody has ever been killed.
//Got a treat by watching a T-2 making an extremely LOW flying pass over my area, unusual to see any aircraft that low.
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Post by: Zimme83 on April 22, 2015, 07:45:28 PM
He was lucky if he pulled it of and were able to land after. Imo the right thing to do is to put the plane down and take the cost. If u strike the props and bend the blades and then take off again u can turn the situation from an expensive misshap to a life threatning situation. not worth risking the life for it.
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Post by: SilverZ06 on April 22, 2015, 08:08:12 PM
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Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on April 22, 2015, 11:08:10 PM
Dude...you dont land without your gear down unless you are a vet in aces high, and even then we stay on the ground,we don't power up and try to take off again. -sighs- when will they ever learn?
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Post by: Vulcan on April 24, 2015, 03:08:41 AM
Probably didn't want to lose his perks on a ditch.
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Post by: Scherf on April 24, 2015, 04:44:40 AM
View from the cockpit as a (I assume now former) French Mirage pilot does the same thing:
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Post by: Rino on April 25, 2015, 10:47:12 PM
Before I left Morristown, we had a Beechjet Be-400 do the exact same thing. The crew managed to get back airborne, come around and land it. Here is where it all goes wrong. They pulled this stunt before the tower opened at 7, so they attempted to hide the incident.
Unfortunately for them, operations was doing a runway sweep before the tower opened and noticed alot of debris on the runway. They had scraped every antenna and vent tube off the belly and created a lovely FOD hazard to the next poor slob trying to use the runway.
When their company mechanic called the FAA asking for a ferry permit from NJ back to Detroit, the FAA was very curious as to why a permit was necessary. It turns out that not only did the crew not tell anyone at the airport, they didn't file any paperwork with the feds either.
Losing their jobs was the least of their troubles at that point.
:airplane: One of the things I was always curious about was a belly landing in the Avro Landcaster! with that high wing, wonder how those belly landings turned out. Must have been some during the war, but can't find a pic anywhere. does anyone have any pic's of one of those landing wheels up?
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Post by: master80 on April 26, 2015, 01:48:45 AM
:airplane: One of the things I was always curious about was a belly landing in the Avro Landcaster! with that high wing, wonder how those belly landings turned out. Must have been some during the war, but can't find a pic anywhere. does anyone have any pic's of one of those landing wheels up?
Avro Lancaster B Mark I, ME590 ‘SR-C’, of No. 101 Squadron RAF, lies on the FIDO (Fog Investigation and Dispersal Operation) pipework at Ludford Magna, Lincolnshire, after a successful crash-landing on returning from a raid to Augsburg on the night of 25/26 February 1944. The aircraft was damaged by anti-aircraft fire, which disabled the hydraulic system and holed the starboard fuel tank, and was also attacked by a Messerschmitt Bf 110 night fighter which set it on fire and wrecked the elevators. In spite of the damage the pilot, Sergeant R Dixon, brought ME590 back to Ludford Magna for a belly landing, during which some incendiary bombs which had been hung up in the bomb bay, fell out and caught fire on the runway. The censor has eliminated the large aerial masts above the fuselage which indicated that the aircraft was carrying ‘Airborne Cigar’ (ABC), a jamming device which disrupted enemy radio telephone channels.
A short search, and this is what I found.
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Post by: homersipes on April 26, 2015, 07:27:29 AM
saw this one a while back
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Post by: MiloMorai on April 26, 2015, 10:12:16 AM
:airplane: One of the things I was always curious about was a belly landing in the Avro Landcaster! with that high wing, wonder how those belly landings turned out. Must have been some during the war, but can't find a pic anywhere. does anyone have any pic's of one of those landing wheels up?
Oh man, that looks nasty! Hope the crew was alright.
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Duke Sumonia found the explanation for this picture in the December 1978 edition of WINGS magazine. This aircraft is B-24M-5-FO S/N 44-50468 belonging to 455th Bomb Group 740th Bomber Squadron, 15th Air Force. "Supposedly the result of inadvertent application of brakes during takeoff run, this wartime accident killed six crewmen almost instantly." Jim Holder added that this occurred at San Giovanni April 12, 1945. Pilot listed as James T. Harris. August 2009 - Andy Kemp contacted me by email reporting that his father, Tech Sgt Andy Kemp of 739 Squadron of 455th Bomb Group was on a crew with the man who took this photo. The photographer was not an official AAF photographer but would run out to take pictures of landing/takeoff accidents. This picture was taken about 5 min after the crash. Andy's father was shot down on his 3rd mission but he and his crew returned to fly 24 more missions.
http://coloradowreckchasing.com/
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Post by: master80 on April 26, 2015, 11:23:45 AM
Ouch! RIP to the crew onboard, one little mishap and that happens... Very unfortunate.
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Post by: Rino on April 26, 2015, 05:03:54 PM
Holy moly, HIYA Toad! Things going pretty good right now..just got informed last week that I'm now on the active kidney transplant list :aok
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Post by: Toad on April 26, 2015, 05:05:25 PM
That IS GREAT NEWS!
(I'd give ya one of mine but then I wouldn't have any.)
Seems like forever ago at Carmine's, eh?
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Post by: Rino on April 26, 2015, 05:14:46 PM
You know guys, I've seen 8-12 gearups over the past 20 years. Ranging from light single engine general aviation aircraft to small jets. I was always amazed that landing gear up on pavement virtually always worked out better than landing in grass.
When they belly flopped on the pavement, they usually only lost some paint and maybe a boarding ladder or antenna. The ones on the grass would tend to crumple up a tad more due to the softer surface.
Most of the incidents were pilot error, I do remember one poor slob in a Baron 55 that had his gear motor freeze up after takeoff. He had just topped off so had to spend 4 hours circling the field until he was light enough to land reasonably safely. The left gear was completely up and the right main was frozen at about a 60 degree angle. He made a straight in and feathered the props on final. He ended up "blending" the left prop a bit but saved both engines from sudden stoppage.
It turns out that the owner had lent this baron to a flight instructor knowing that the gear motor circuit breaker had been tripping. He never said anything to the instructor and in fact gave him a hard time for not leaving the engines running so that insurance would pay for two new motors.
I'm amazed that instructor didn't flatten the owner for that, but he was the bigger man. <And possibly still needed the bird for his CFII..I forget>
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Post by: Serenity on April 30, 2015, 10:40:49 PM
We've had a recent gear up in our squadron, leading to the new before landing checklist:
Defog off Gear down Engine instruments Gear down Gear down Brakes Gear down Flaps Set Gear down Speed brake retracted Gear down Gear down Negative lights Gear down