General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Zimme83 on April 23, 2015, 12:36:44 AM
Title: Only in Finland...
Post by: Zimme83 on April 23, 2015, 12:36:44 AM
Finnish Police having a traffic control.... :headscratch: :bolt: (http://gfx.bloggar.aftonbladet-cdn.se/wp-content/blogs.dir/428/files/2015/04/1419.jpg)
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Charge on April 23, 2015, 12:47:29 PM
That's typical over reaction of our officials. If the camera flash won't slow them down, the muzzle flash will... :mad:
-C+
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 24, 2015, 04:51:06 AM
:eek: tax the rich and feed the government ahem, poor.
Percentage based fines make more sense, no? In the US we have fines that cripple the poor, sting the middle class and are meaninglessly pitiful to the wealthy. Shouldn't a fine be felt by all? Just because it is a huge number to you doesn't make it so to the recipient.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: zack1234 on April 25, 2015, 05:09:10 AM
No, Finland was not at war with the UK from Finland's perspective. The UK may have seen it differently.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: pipz on April 25, 2015, 08:08:21 AM
Zackary you cad! At it again I see! You know full well the US supplied Finland with the superlative Brewster 239. In turn the Finns sent there squadrons of Brews to win the battle for you!
So in this order the Battle was won by... The Generous offerings of the United States. The Brewster Buffalo 239 The Finn air force.
Nuff said! :old:
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: oldskool65 on April 25, 2015, 08:27:52 AM
Take a look at this it paints a totally different standpoint It states that Finland attacked The Soviets in 1941 not the other way round It also says that the Finns refused help from the allies not the allies inc U.K refusing help http://www.kolumbus.fi/rastas/nyky/reasons_ww2.html
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 25, 2015, 08:45:53 AM
Take a look at this it paints a totally different standpoint It states that Finland attacked The Soviets in 1941 not the other way round It also says that the Finns refused help from the allies not the allies inc U.K refusing help http://www.kolumbus.fi/rastas/nyky/reasons_ww2.html
That is the version of history the soviet propaganda is still telling its students even years after president Yeltsin publicly admitted that the starting shots of the war were staged by the Soviet army. That is, when talking about the winter war. The continuation war was started with Germany to regain the ground that Russians took during the winter war.
We have certain foreign agents or co-operators in the country who spread misinformation and propaganda. Why they're not locked up as enemy of state I really don't know.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: zack1234 on April 25, 2015, 11:06:50 AM
That is the version of history the soviet propaganda is still telling its students even years after president Yeltsin publicly admitted that the starting shots of the war were staged by the Soviet army. That is, when talking about the winter war. The continuation war was started with Germany to regain the ground that Russians took during the winter war.
We have certain foreign agents or co-operators in the country who spread misinformation and propaganda. Why they're not locked up as enemy of state I really don't know.
You cannot locked people up for having an alternative view.
Oh! If the Narzzies had won you could :rofl
Cheer up one day you will masters of the Castle Grey Skull.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 25, 2015, 12:20:24 PM
You cannot locked people up for having an alternative view.
Oh! If the Narzzies had won you could :rofl
Cheer up one day you will masters of the Castle Grey Skull.
On the contrary you SHOULD lock up people who spread lies and propaganda with the intent of hurting your country. Or at minimum ban them from the country.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: hgtonyvi on April 25, 2015, 12:27:36 PM
Pipz isnt the brewster like a softer less armored f4f? lol...they gived them junk
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 25, 2015, 12:38:21 PM
Pipz isnt the brewster like a softer less armored f4f? lol...they gived them junk
It's a stripped down version of the Navy buffalo. They thought they were giving us junk but in stripping off all the protections they made the plane so much lighter that it became an absolute joy to fly. All the pilots loved it, except for the lack of speed later in the war.
I've read many books written by brewster pilots and I especially recall one scene where they were going to engage fleets of russian planes and the brewster pilots were looking with envy how the Messerschmitts of another squadron were outclimbing them at huge speed. The finnish brewsters had a modified DC-3 engine. The engine had bad reliability problems until the mechanics detected a flaw in design and reversed a piston ring, after that the engine was very reliable.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: zack1234 on April 25, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
On the contrary you SHOULD lock up people who spread lies and propaganda with the intent of hurting your country. Or at minimum ban them from the country.
:rofl
is Finland near Greece?
In the UK we are grown up enough not to care about propaganda
i read said article and i beleive it to be true
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Bizman on April 25, 2015, 01:22:28 PM
Take a look at this it paints a totally different standpoint It states that Finland attacked The Soviets in 1941 not the other way round It also says that the Finns refused help from the allies not the allies inc U.K refusing help http://www.kolumbus.fi/rastas/nyky/reasons_ww2.html
Yes, that is the absolute truth. Some people still say that one Finn equals at least ten Russians, so it was perfectly logical to try to conquer the entire Soviet Union after having humiliated Mr. Stalin in the Winter War.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: mthrockmor on April 25, 2015, 01:23:35 PM
To my fellow DAT's of the Finish variety.... :salute
"If you ain't CAV, you ain't S***!" General George S Patton
boo M60-A3 and M1A1 tanker
(Note: DAT stands for Dumb A** Tanker...worn with pride.)
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Wmaker on April 25, 2015, 01:24:15 PM
nvm
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 25, 2015, 01:30:58 PM
No, the Finns were not, however, England was at war with Finland, having declared war against Finland in 1941. England was the only western Allied country to declare war on Finland. England also attacked Finland, launching the failed raid on Petsamo.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Scherf on April 28, 2015, 04:46:16 PM
Some say a Finnish night fighter pilot under training in Germany was shot down by Mosquito, though I can't find which Mossie it might have been.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: cpxxx on April 28, 2015, 05:20:05 PM
Its says something that the Soviets didn't even try to occupy Finland, not even Stalin wanted to take them on. To be fair to the Finns they took the German side because the Soviets had attacked them first. At the end of the war they changed sides and got rid of the Germans.
I had a Finnish girlfriend once. She was great but I know why Hitler and Stalin really didn't want to make enemies of them. We're still friends. I wouldn't dare it be otherwise.
Go Finns.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Zimme83 on April 28, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
Of course Russia tried to take Finland, during winter war atleast. If the only goal was to adjust the border near Leningrad, Why attack in central and Northern Finland?
What u have to remember is that Finland was a part of Russia until 1917 and the only part were the "white" side won the Revolution/civil war. Stalin wanted to reestablish the pre 1917 Russian borders. They tried to take Finland and failed. Then Russia said "We dont want it anyway".... U can start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_of_the_Winter_War#Soviet.E2.80.93Finnish_relations
But why even discuss this in a non serious thread joking about Finnish police using Tanks in traffic stops? This tread has nothing to do with WW2 Finland.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Wmaker on April 29, 2015, 12:30:12 AM
Some say a Finnish night fighter pilot under training Germany was shot down by Mosquito, though I can't find which Mossie it might have been.
On 17th of August 1944 Sergeant Bengt Raoul Ringbom failed to return from training flight from an airfield near Ludwigslust around 3:30 am. Soon after his take off, several allied planes passed over the field (field is 100km east of Hamburg). Several hits were observed in the wreckage which were most likely caused by 20mm ammunition. Night fighters most likely surprised Ringbom considering that he wasn't aware of the allied planes being in the area.
No one saw the incident in German side but at that point of the war, I think it's most likely that it was a Mosquito.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: zack1234 on April 29, 2015, 01:38:22 AM
It was not me :old:
Bizman has invited me to Finland but MrRipley might be loud and try to lock me away :)
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Scherf on April 29, 2015, 02:02:32 AM
On 17th of August 1944 Sergeant Bengt Raoul Ringbom failed to return from training flight from an airfield near Ludwigslust around 3:30 am. Soon after his take off, several allied planes passed over the field (field is 100km east of Hamburg). Several hits were observed in the wreckage which were most likely caused by 20mm ammunition. Night fighters most likely surprised Ringbom considering that he wasn't aware of the allied planes being in the area.
No one saw the incident in German side but at that point of the war, I think it's most likely that it was a Mosquito.
That's the fellow, yes. Strangely, I can find a claim for the right day, right place, but in 1943.
I've downloaded the combat report, it clearly says 1943, and the Mossie pilot in question was making other claims around that time, but I can only find one claim for him in 1944, a V-1 in September. IIRC the website I got the info from put Ringborn's fate in the context of the wider war, as in the Finns went home soon after, so, I dunno, it's strange.
Thinking about it now, I have the relevant squadron ORB for August 1943, possibly also for 1944, will see if the incident is mentioned there as well. Will also check the relative times - combat report says 2:05 a.m., if that was one of the dates in which German time was one hour ahead (the Brits were often on double daylight savings time, therefore clocks in the U.K. matched those in Germany for much of the war) it could be an even deeper mystery...
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Charge on April 29, 2015, 02:31:06 AM
"Bizman has invited me to Finland but MrRipley might be loud and try to lock me away"
Ripley does not go to meetings so it is safe to visit us. We might still dip you in a frozen lake, just chiz and giggles. :D
-C+
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Scherf on April 29, 2015, 05:41:39 AM
FWIW, Ringbom's grave marker (photo on the net) says 1944, so that must be definitive.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: zack1234 on April 29, 2015, 11:20:15 AM
FWIW, Ringbom's grave marker (photo on the net) says 1944, so that must be definitive.
Ohh, 1944 is definately definitive! :) That's been crystal clear for me for a long time because the Finnish "night fighter program", if one can call it that, is very well documented.
Theoretically there's the possibility of friendly AAA shooting him down but I think they would have figured that to be the case very quickly at the scene. Therefore I don't think that is a real possibility.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Charge on April 29, 2015, 12:00:47 PM
"Will my clothes fall off? Will i be drunk?"
Pfffft, what clothes? We don't wear clothes in meetings except when there's photography so people won't think we are all weird. And the real question is when will you be sober again, if ever...
-C+
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Lusche on April 29, 2015, 12:15:01 PM
Theoretically there's the possibility of friendly AAA shooting him down but I think they would have figured that to be the case very quickly at the scene. Therefore I don't think that is a real possibility.
It still might have been the case, but wrongly reported afterwards.
A few years ago, I saw a documentation about a similar case where the wreckage of a German nightfighter was discovered and dug out. The remains of the pilot were still aboard, which was a huge surprise as the pilot had gotten a proper and official burial in the family grave. The family had been lied to. (A niece witnessing the burial in 1944 was still alive).
And not only about the grave but also the reason for the death was incorrect. The offical papers stated something like 'shot down in combat by the enemy'. When the plane was uncovered, it was quickly found by specialists that it had been shot down by heavy AA, and research showed there was no enemy plane reported in the airpace at that time at all.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: PR3D4TOR on April 29, 2015, 12:17:25 PM
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Brooke on April 29, 2015, 06:24:02 PM
Only after Germany stabbed them in the back and they switched sides. Before that, they had a pact with Germany and co-invaded Poland.
Roosevelt was a dupe (in fact his administration was rotten with commie agents, some at very high levels like Harry Dexter White), but Patton wasn't.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: zack1234 on April 30, 2015, 01:45:30 AM
Lies!
Poland invade Russia first and Germany stopped them.
Harry Dexter White was a notorious homosexulet and was being blackmailed by J Edgar the inventor of the famous suction device which was originaly invented as a house hold cleaning appliance.
I have no idea what his invention was used for other than cleaning?
Maybe MrRiply can enlighten me?
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on April 30, 2015, 03:19:04 AM
Poland invade Russia first and Germany stopped them.
Harry Dexter White was a notorious homosexulet and was being blackmailed by J Edgar the inventor of the famous suction device which was originaly invented as a house hold cleaning appliance.
I have no idea what his invention was used for other than cleaning?
Maybe MrRiply can enlighten me?
Yes, locate the nearest psychiatrist from the blue book.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: zack1234 on April 30, 2015, 05:15:29 AM
:)
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Wmaker on May 02, 2015, 09:47:51 AM
Ripley, please....I really wish you wouldn't be so easily trolled....
Please.....sugar on top....
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: MrRiplEy[H] on May 02, 2015, 10:44:52 AM
Poland invade Russia first and Germany stopped them.
Harry Dexter White was a notorious homosexulet and was being blackmailed by J Edgar the inventor of the famous suction device which was originaly invented as a house hold cleaning appliance.
I have no idea what his invention was used for other than cleaning?
Maybe MrRiply can enlighten me?
Someone's been talking to Boroda.
Title: Re: Only in Finland...
Post by: Ack-Ack on May 02, 2015, 03:41:28 PM