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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: bangsbox on May 19, 2015, 01:26:19 PM
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german AA rocket damage to a halifax. I think we should make ours a bit deadlier. :devil
damage is from a rocket that exploded near by.
(http://i.imgur.com/ctrkgQ4.jpg)
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There were seven people in there. I'm glad that photo is not in color.
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Was the Halifax cloth covered or is that an aluminum skin?
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metal skin.
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Jebus. Poor lads.
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Or make them less deadly. Unless the photo is from a camera recovered from the crash site, this plane
made it back.
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Or make them less deadly. Unless the photo is from a camera recovered from the crash site, this plane
made it back.
While the Halifax made it back, it doesn't look like very many of the crew didn't make it back alive.
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So maybe this picture should be posted for players who complain about how hard it is to shoot down bombers.
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how can we be sure it's a rocket air-to-air hit : 95% of all Halifaxes flew their missions during night time, when they did fly daytime raids they where punished by the Luftwaffe with heavy losses, due to poor armament formation flying skills, and poor armour.
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Perhaps you answered your own question.
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german AA rocket damage to a halifax. I think we should make ours a bit deadlier. :devil
damage is from a rocket that exploded near by.
(http://i.imgur.com/ctrkgQ4.jpg)
Wow at the holes .
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when they did fly daytime raids they where punished by the Luftwaffe with heavy losses, due to poor armament formation flying skills, and poor armour.
Ain't necessarily so. First five months of 1943, BC's daylight loss rate was about 4%. When daylight raids resumed from June '44 to the end of the war, day loss rates never exceeded 1%.
I'd too would like to know more about the original pic. Was it some ground-launched weapon? Air-to-air? A test?
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Some claims it was a night-fighter attack:
http://www.reddit.com/r/WWIIplanes/comments/23rsfr/interior_of_a_handley_page_halifax_showing_damage/
and
http://www.airpages.ru/eng/uk/halifax_13.shtml
and that most of the damage was due to ammo boxes in the rear fuselage having exploded.
Will have a look at the Nov '44 ORB for 614 Squadron later on, try to confirm. The British National Archives site has a page from which such things can be downloaded.
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Had a look at ORB, it confirms JP321 was attacked by a night fighter on Nov 22/23 on leaving the target area, Szombathely (sp?), ammo boxes hit, aircraft suffered major damage, returned, all crew uninjured.
Tony Woods has NJG 101 and NJG 6 aircraft making claims in the right place at the right time, though he lists them on 23/24 November, and they claimed to be attacking Liberators (which, to my own surprise, were actually on the raid, from the same squadron as the Hali in the pic).
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Good to hear.
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Nice posts Scherf.
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No worries Mike.
:airplane:
Should make clear though, those % loss rates I quoted are by month.
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It made it back because the rocket didnt hit the plane, which would have most likely cut the plane in two if it had...
Or make them less deadly. Unless the photo is from a camera recovered from the crash site, this plane
made it back.
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*sigh*
It wasn't a rocket.
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They work fine.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8586/16605158046_f743a6b2f4_b.jpg)
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They work fine.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8586/16605158046_f743a6b2f4_b.jpg)
Love that screenshot!
That is a "fiver" ya got there, right? (And yes I know you collided, dang it)
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German night fighters carried rockets only during daylight interceptions, never at night. If the Halifax took part in a night raid that rules out the chance of a rocket, completely. And Ju88s never carried rockets in any form.
AA? Anti Aircraft, Air to Air? It's just a misuse of a term and creates confusion as there were no Anti Aircraft rockets used by German Anti Aircraft batteries.
Ammo cook-off itself is not particularly dangerous if the boxes do not happen to be in a confined space (such as fighter's wing) and the smaller the rounds, e.g. .303 the less dangerous they are. If a round cooks off there will not be "bullets whizzing about" since the casing tends to rip into pieces and the bullet as the single heaviest piece flies the less distance. But surely it would have been a spectacular fireworks display in the darkness.
All in all such damage could have caused even by a single 7.9 round in a right place but judging by the picture in Scherf's second link I'd say the weapon was most likely a 20mm in schräge musik configuration. The attacking aircraft could have been any German NF aircraft.
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You are supposing a night raid...
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What was it ? :headscratch:
*sigh*
It wasn't a rocket.
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Cannon fire from a night fighter which caused a fire / explosion in two ammo boxes stored at the rear. The damage is from the Halifax's own ammo cooking off. No rockets involved.
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Cannon fire from a night fighter which caused a fire / explosion in two ammo boxes stored at the rear. The damage is from the Halifax's own ammo cooking off. No rockets involved.
and all made it back alive with no injuries...at least that's what the after-action report said... :rolleyes:
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Ok, too bad the OP didnt check his story before posting pic... :O
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Ok, too bad the OP didnt check his story before posting pic... :O
all i had to go on was the caption. which stated " damage received by German rocket attack on a halifax 1943" found in ww2 planes on reddit.
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Hopefully we got elders in this (awesome) wwii simulator to know what really happened... :aok
all i had to go on was the caption. which stated " damage received by German rocket attack on a halifax 1943" found in ww2 planes on reddit.
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Not taking anything away from these brave crewmen and their effort, but you also have to remember not all of those white spots are bullet/shrapnel damage.
Light penetrating from bullet holes and shrapnel holes gives the impression of more holes than there actually is.
A harrowing mission to be sure though.
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88mm hit on B-17... Have these images in mind when u are mad cause a 30mm hit dont bring the bomber down....
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/aafpix2/2BG/429BS/Sweet%20Pea/B-17G42-38078004a.jpg)
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If u re talking about the 30mm bug, the problem isnt that hits dont bring it down with one shot, the problem is that some hits deliver zero dmg on bombers, depending of the part being hit.... :old:
88mm hit on B-17... Have these images in mind when u are mad cause a 30mm hit dont bring the bomber down....
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/aafpix2/2BG/429BS/Sweet%20Pea/B-17G42-38078004a.jpg)
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How the f**k did the tail stay on :O:?
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How the f**k did the tail stay on :O:?
Obviously the plane was overmodeled :old:
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A 97th BG B-17 after a mid air with a 109...
(http://www.warbirdsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/B-17-All-American-Flight.jpg)
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If u re talking about the 30mm bug, the problem isnt that hits dont bring it down with one shot, the problem is that some hits deliver zero dmg on bombers, depending of the part being hit.... :old:
21:03:35 Departed from Field #31 in a Me 262A-1
21:48:38 Shot down a B-26B flown by EVZ.
21:48:48 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:48:51 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:49:17 Shot down a B-26B flown by tudza.
21:49:48 Helps HamHawk shoot down DWOldDog.
21:49:53 Shot down a B-26B flown by thomace.
21:49:54 Shot down a B-26B flown by thomace.
21:50:39 Shot down a B-26B flown by DWOldDog.
22:01:55 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #31.
23:16:18 Shot down a P-38L flown by SEBaker.
23:16:20 Shot down a P-38J flown by Fencer.
23:16:58 Shot down a P-38J flown by SIK1.
23:17:51 Shot down a P-38J flown by mir.
23:20:52 Helps IrishOne shoot down TomD.
23:21:26 Shot down a P-47D-25 flown by kyle53.
23:23:00 Shot down a P-51D flown by AHJoker.
23:23:46 Shot down a P-51D flown by AHRatTat.
23:33:01 Arrived Safely at Field #31
21:02:45 Departed from Field #31 in a Me 262A-1
21:44:16 Shot down a B-26B flown by EVZ.
21:44:26 Awarded kill as Popsman crashes.
21:44:29 Awarded kill as Popsman crashes.
21:44:50 Shot down a B-26B flown by DWOldDog.
21:45:20 Shot down a B-26B flown by EVZ.
21:45:40 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:45:43 Helps 1sum41 shoot down Kuya.
21:45:55 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:57:42 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #31.
22:49:00 Helps perdweeb shoot down Wedge.
23:12:42 Shot down a B-26B flown by Durr.
23:13:14 Helps RedBull shoot down Durr.
23:14:19 Helps RedBull shoot down DWOldDog.
23:14:58 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
23:16:15 Shot down a B-26B flown by Popsman.
23:17:27 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
23:21:03 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #31.
23 Victories in 2 sorties in a 262 during a Scenario? don't think many of my 30mm's missed :)
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How the f**k did the tail stay on :O:?
Rivets would be my guess... ;)
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262 Top kills is over one hundred in ONE sortie, u still got a long way to reach it... :neener:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p2_JnwsyB4
21:03:35 Departed from Field #31 in a Me 262A-1
21:48:38 Shot down a B-26B flown by EVZ.
21:48:48 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:48:51 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:49:17 Shot down a B-26B flown by tudza.
21:49:48 Helps HamHawk shoot down DWOldDog.
21:49:53 Shot down a B-26B flown by thomace.
21:49:54 Shot down a B-26B flown by thomace.
21:50:39 Shot down a B-26B flown by DWOldDog.
22:01:55 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #31.
23:16:18 Shot down a P-38L flown by SEBaker.
23:16:20 Shot down a P-38J flown by Fencer.
23:16:58 Shot down a P-38J flown by SIK1.
23:17:51 Shot down a P-38J flown by mir.
23:20:52 Helps IrishOne shoot down TomD.
23:21:26 Shot down a P-47D-25 flown by kyle53.
23:23:00 Shot down a P-51D flown by AHJoker.
23:23:46 Shot down a P-51D flown by AHRatTat.
23:33:01 Arrived Safely at Field #31
21:02:45 Departed from Field #31 in a Me 262A-1
21:44:16 Shot down a B-26B flown by EVZ.
21:44:26 Awarded kill as Popsman crashes.
21:44:29 Awarded kill as Popsman crashes.
21:44:50 Shot down a B-26B flown by DWOldDog.
21:45:20 Shot down a B-26B flown by EVZ.
21:45:40 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:45:43 Helps 1sum41 shoot down Kuya.
21:45:55 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
21:57:42 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #31.
22:49:00 Helps perdweeb shoot down Wedge.
23:12:42 Shot down a B-26B flown by Durr.
23:13:14 Helps RedBull shoot down Durr.
23:14:19 Helps RedBull shoot down DWOldDog.
23:14:58 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
23:16:15 Shot down a B-26B flown by Popsman.
23:17:27 Shot down a B-26B flown by Kuya.
23:21:03 Takes on fuel/ammo/ord at field #31.
23 Victories in 2 sorties in a 262 during a Scenario? don't think many of my 30mm's missed :)
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262 Top kills is over one hundred in ONE sortie, u still got a long way to reach it... :neener:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6p2_JnwsyB4
That's "only" 99 kills Grizz got on his epic jet run. ;)
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wouldnt it be nice if the damage models showed like those 17s!!
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wouldnt it be nice if the damage models showed like those 17s!!
These B-17 shots are remarkable because they are remarkable. Damage did not normally look like the Halifax or B-17 shots in this thread so those would not be reasonable images to base damage visuals on.
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Weird, not a lot of schrapnel holes...Looks like a collision with an enemy fighter. 88s had very high velocity shrapnels , designed to hit serveral planes in a "cube" area in air., there should have tons of little holes in "hit" area... :headscratch:
88mm hit on B-17... Have these images in mind when u are mad cause a 30mm hit dont bring the bomber down....
(http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l304/aafpix2/2BG/429BS/Sweet%20Pea/B-17G42-38078004a.jpg)
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That's "only" 99 kills Grizz got on his epic jet run. ;)
Yep, and he had to refuel at least once, too!