General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: homersipes on June 12, 2015, 08:31:18 PM
Title: any old school ford guys?
Post by: homersipes on June 12, 2015, 08:31:18 PM
my dad is in process of building a 67 fastback and wants some wow factor in a wow factor car so he wants to build up a true boss engine, but he's having problems locating parts and info. I don't know much about fords but he called it a clevor 302. I guess it takes a windsor block and cleveland heads. any of you gus have any info or know a legit place to get parts for this thing??
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Randy1 on June 12, 2015, 09:33:28 PM
Cleveland refers to the heads. Windsor was the common head and Cleveland the higher performance head albeit there are exceptions to when the Cleveland heads were used. It has been a while but I think the Cleveland heads breathed a bit better than the common head of the day.
There was a guy importing ford heads from Australia where the Cleveland heads were more widely used and rebuilding them here several years back. Do a google is your best beat.
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Post by: caldera on June 12, 2015, 09:43:34 PM
He will get better results building something like a 331 stroker with modern aluminum heads. He can still go with a Victor Jr. intake and a carb and save himself a few headaches.
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Post by: ROC on June 12, 2015, 09:52:32 PM
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mdmp-1011-ford-boss-302-engine-build/ (http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mdmp-1011-ford-boss-302-engine-build/) If he is going for purity, building a "true" Boss 302 only works if he is building an actual Boss 302 mustang. The technology has changed so dramatically that he can actually build a Wow factor 302 without the old "boss" label. Go for for ballz out performance or "restore" to original specs but don't think the old Boss had WOW like today's technology can wow. My mildly punched 2005 stang can out perform a spec late 60s Boss. I can't imagine anyone who has a 67 Fastback not at least knowing where to start, such as http://mustangforums.com, there are countless mustang mod sources and there is an amazing amount of information at your fingertips to either fully restore or modify a Mustang. Pics or it doesn't exist!!!! :) Great body, personally I lean towards the fat arse of the 69 fastback but the 67 is a sexy beast.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 12, 2015, 11:28:29 PM
http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mdmp-1011-ford-boss-302-engine-build/ (http://www.mustangandfords.com/how-to/engine/mdmp-1011-ford-boss-302-engine-build/) If he is going for purity, building a "true" Boss 302 only works if he is building an actual Boss 302 mustang. The technology has changed so dramatically that he can actually build a Wow factor 302 without the old "boss" label. Go for for ballz out performance or "restore" to original specs but don't think the old Boss had WOW like today's technology can wow. My mildly punched 2005 stang can out perform a spec late 60s Boss. I can't imagine anyone who has a 67 Fastback not at least knowing where to start, such as http://mustangforums.com, there are countless mustang mod sources and there is an amazing amount of information at your fingertips to either fully restore or modify a Mustang. Pics or it doesn't exist!!!! :) Great body, personally I lean towards the fat arse of the 69 fastback but the 67 is a sexy beast.
Excellent advice right here.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: homersipes on June 13, 2015, 05:01:35 AM
lol he isnt really looking for a performance engine, just something different and not seen very often anymore. will have to get him to send me a few pics of the car he has this car for his performance needs(http://i755.photobucket.com/albums/xx199/homersipes/tn4.jpg) will get him to send pics of 67 when I talk to him
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Randy1 on June 13, 2015, 05:56:53 AM
I remember going to the Ford dealer to see the first Boss. Sells were less than stellar because raw horsepower was what was selling not balance and handling like the Boss.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Skuzzy on June 13, 2015, 06:58:21 AM
ROC pretty much nailed it. Stick with all original, or go all out. The Boss 302 engine is not all that. It had a lot of flaws.
My 67 289 Mustang completely mauled Boss 302's at the track.
If you want to go somewhat old school, then start with a set of Trick Flow Twisted Wedge heads (make sure to match the pistons) as they were the first aftermarket high performance head for the Ford small block which really worked. They are still a good head today.
Drop a 3:73 TruTrac 9" rear end in the back, hooked up through a Tremec T56 and have some serious fun. Makes a very streetable car while not giving up the ability to launch like a rocket.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: RotBaron on June 13, 2015, 06:59:13 AM
Does being a Bronco lover count?
Did you see the Bronco Concept for 2016, oh my that is one beautiful truck!
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Nypsy on June 13, 2015, 07:38:48 AM
I have nothing to add to this discussion, except... (http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q586/eggshen2912/untitled1_zpsmt4tyb2v.jpg) (http://s1165.photobucket.com/user/eggshen2912/media/untitled1_zpsmt4tyb2v.jpg.html)
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Rich46yo on June 13, 2015, 09:26:40 AM
I had a '66 289 Pony and a buddy had a "Bullet" '68 fastback. Wonderful engine, so many ways to go with it. Shelby proved that and you can still have one delivered in a crate. I know what I'd do and it wouldnt be the 302. Just my opinion. I had 3 289s thru the years, 2 from '66 one a Pony the other a Fairlane. I would probably kill to get those two cars back.
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Post by: -ammo- on June 13, 2015, 12:52:20 PM
My vote is put a 355 CI Supercharged Triton in the car. Oh my...
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Randy1 on June 13, 2015, 01:49:06 PM
My 67 289 Mustang completely mauled Boss 302's at the track.
Drag?
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: icepac on June 14, 2015, 07:50:56 AM
A hot and high revving 289 would be sweet and practical.
The wow factor is a 390 with top loader 4 speed for period correct unless you're gonna make a fake shelby.......then you need the 428.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: RotBaron on June 14, 2015, 07:57:50 AM
As much as I've always preferred Fords, I have a '92 Blazer these days. It's more with trucks...
But Mustangs pfffft; it's really hard to compete with your biggest rival on looks. Corvettes hands down imo have almost always had it on beauty.
Now, Cobras :aok Different deal there.
On safety though, your Mustang, I'd rather be in than a 'Vette.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Rich46yo on June 14, 2015, 09:18:05 AM
The beauty of the Pony was it brought "sport" to the average working guys. All in all, and still today, American made muscle is the best value in automobiles. The Pony was a big contributor to that.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 14, 2015, 09:44:20 AM
As much as I've always preferred Fords, I have a '92 Blazer these days. It's more with trucks...
But Mustangs pfffft; it's really hard to compete with your biggest rival on looks. Corvettes hands down imo have almost always had it on beauty.
Now, Cobras :aok Different deal there.
On safety though, your Mustang, I'd rather be in than a 'Vette.
The Corvette is not the Mustang's competitor and it cracks me up people still make that same mistake. The Camaro is the Mustang's competitor and always has been.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: morfiend on June 14, 2015, 11:18:14 AM
As skuzzy said the "boss" 302 had it's flaws!
While it could breath well and would windup the revs there were issues with oiling and cooling! The little 02's were known to toss an unneeded rod or 2 and also had the habit of bending valves.
If I was going to build it I would go all matching numbers and in a stock config or I would do a restomod and upgrade breaks and suspension then stick as much crate motor as I could afford!
You can make a backyard "boss" but why? It will get terrible gas milage,it wont make the HP of a crate motor and then you will always have issues with finding a fuel that will actually work,because todays gas isnt the same stuff they used back then! The hitest I remember was RED in color and the "regular" was about 95 octane.
I have a thing for the 66 fastback,cant say exactly why but it's always been my fav.
:salute
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: homersipes on June 14, 2015, 11:33:51 AM
yeah I have read that they had issues. I would do a resto on it to original if it were me. Yeah I have discussed the fuel issue with him but dang he is stuck on doing a boss, so figured I would help him get a bit of info :rolleyes: the suspension could use a redo, from what I have have gathered they handled like a turd :lol
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 14, 2015, 11:53:16 AM
I'm with ROC all the way.
A Boss 302 is not a WOW factor anymore. We have so many aftermarket parts and builders nowadays that performance parts and engines from the days are blown away. Some old gizers at gas stations still try to patronize me with their factory dual exhaust systems. It must be my accent :angel:.
If your dad is after a WOW factor, build a Bullitt replica with the 390, the car is still timeless cool. We stroked the Tomatoe's 302 to a 347 and this is how she sounds, (if your dad wants some musical incentive) :lol:
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: RotBaron on June 14, 2015, 07:26:09 PM
The Corvette is not the Mustang's competitor and it cracks me up people still make that same mistake. The Camaro is the Mustang's competitor and always has been.
And what makes you the authority on that? What facts of your back up what you say?
A mistake? :headscratch: I've never heard two guys ever argue about the Camaro vs the Mustang, Vettes and Stangs...countless times.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Masherbrum on June 14, 2015, 07:51:54 PM
my dad is in process of building a 67 fastback and wants some wow factor in a wow factor car so he wants to build up a true boss engine, but he's having problems locating parts and info. I don't know much about fords but he called it a clevor 302. I guess it takes a windsor block and cleveland heads. any of you gus have any info or know a legit place to get parts for this thing??
boss 302 was produced for 2 years. 1969, and 1970. you can tell the block by the 4 bolt mains, and the screw on core plugs. the casting number on a 69 block should start with "C9", and on the 70 block with "D0". the rods are heavier, and the crank is forged. the heads. in 69 they had 2.25" intake valves with (i think) 1.95" exhaust valves. in 70 they cut the intakes to 2.19", as that was more drivable on the street.
you could suggest to your dad to swap a modern boss302 into that car. based on the coyote engine, it's nearly 450hp right outta the box, and you both will have something truly unique, while outperforming the original boss in every way.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Skuzzy on June 15, 2015, 06:53:38 AM
And what makes you the authority on that? What facts of your back up what you say?
A mistake? :headscratch: I've never heard two guys ever argue about the Camaro vs the Mustang, Vettes and Stangs...countless times.
Not sure about the circles you run about in, but every car rag and cay guy I know never compares a Mustang to a Corvette. It is a completely inappropriate comparison.
The Camaro/Mustang wars were legendary.
Here is a prety well written article about the history of that rivalry.
The only time there was a legitimate comparison between a Corvette and a Ford product was the 1955-1957 Thunderbirds and Corvettes, and even then Ford took it on the chin and gave up quite quickly.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Randy1 on June 15, 2015, 07:23:53 AM
I grew up in those days. I remember well going to see the first Mustang. There were articles of the day saying things like, "The Mustang is no Corvette." Keep in mind too, on the car lot, the common Mustang was a straight 6 when it first hit the market.
The Boss was beat up pretty bad in a lot of the articles and school ground arguments of the day but mostly because the Boss was never meant to be a 0-60 stellar performer being more of a handling or Sports like car.
Then the EPA and compression ratios dropped ending the pony wars.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Skuzzy on June 15, 2015, 09:08:43 AM
Actually, the Boss 302 was meant to be a drag racer. It had lousy low end performance. You had to get the engine to 5,000 RPM before it came to life. It was a horrible street car.
The Mustangs were not known for handling either. Even the Shelby version of the Mustangs involved a strictly brute force approach to handling. They just put big enough sway bars and harsh enough springs on it to keep the body from rolling, but then they bounced all over the place on anything but the smoothest streets.
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Post by: hgtonyvi on June 15, 2015, 11:46:48 AM
No one likes old school pontiacs? Lol
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Post by: Hetzer7 on June 15, 2015, 12:12:59 PM
First car was a 67 Fastback. Needs a special manifold (or Boss 302) to do that but its great, check out this link:
http://www.themustangshop.com/clevor.cfm
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Rich46yo on June 15, 2015, 12:21:35 PM
If you remember the period I dont think American drivers were as concerned about handling as they were pulling up to a light, seeing another fast auto, and running him. Maybe highway or boulevard cornering was appreciated but I always envisioned Euro-drivers as more into pure handling/cornering. I'd like to know what stock American car of the time handled the best.
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The Mustangs were not known for handling either. Even the Shelby version of the Mustangs involved a strictly brute force approach to handling. They just put big enough sway bars and harsh enough springs on it to keep the body from rolling, but then they bounced all over the place on anything but the smoothest streets.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Randy1 on June 15, 2015, 12:23:25 PM
Hardly. Not sure what you are thinking on this one.
We are talking about the original 69 Boss 302. Not the new one. The original was okay for its time, but in the real world, it was used at the drag strip, not the road races.
I raced against plenty of them at the drag strip. Never saw one of them on the road course.
Even the old car rags made comments like, "best handling car Ford has made", which was not a really great endorsement considering Ford's street cars were not the best handling cars around, at the time.
Now, I grant you this. Ford originally intended the car to be a fit for the Trans Am race category, but quietly quit pushing it. Although Ford never did get around to offering the "Drag Pak" option for the Boss, but did offer it with the 428CJ.
It was an odd car in the real world. No matter what Ford intended.
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Post by: ink on June 15, 2015, 01:04:25 PM
We are talking about the original 69 Boss 302. Not the new one. The original was okay for its time, but in the real world, it was used at the drag strip, not the road races.
I raced against plenty of them at the drag strip. Never saw one of them on the road course.
the Mustang wasn't in the Trans Am racing circuit ?
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Post by: Skuzzy on June 15, 2015, 01:22:29 PM
the Mustang wasn't in the Trans Am racing circuit ?
It was. Kar Kraft and Shelby built the ones I recall. I also recall the 428CJ as being the base cars they used in 1969. They dropped the 302 into those and used the Boss name. The "Boss 302" was never used by them as the base car.
As a matter of fact, very few parts were used from the stock car they represented. The suspension was completely rebuilt.
EDIT: Ohhhhh, I see where the confusion is. DOH! Okay, let me be clear. The "Boss 302 Trans Am" is not based on the "Boss 302" production car. Names are similar, but they are not related. There are hints of the ideas from the "Boss 302" production car in the "Boss 302 Trans Am" race car.
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Post by: Masherbrum on June 15, 2015, 01:32:23 PM
Skuzzy saved me a lot of typing. Salute ink and skuzzy
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Post by: ink on June 15, 2015, 01:42:09 PM
It was. Kar Kraft and Shelby built the ones I recall. I also recall the 428CJ as being the base cars they used in 1969. They dropped the 302 into those and used the Boss name. The "Boss 302" was never used by them as the base car.
As a matter of fact, very few parts were used from the stock car they represented. The suspension was completely rebuilt.
EDIT: Ohhhhh, I see where the confusion is. DOH! Okay, let me be clear. The "Boss 302 Trans Am" is not based on the "Boss 302" production car. Names are similar, but they are not related. There are hints of the ideas from the "Boss 302" production car in the "Boss 302 Trans Am" race car.
cc that.....I thought the Mustang was part of it...didn't know the specifics though...
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: ROC on June 15, 2015, 01:51:15 PM
I want a Boss 429 so bad
2010 Motortrend article on Ford Mustang Boss 302, Boss 429, and Boss 351
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Skuzzy on June 15, 2015, 01:56:11 PM
You don't want one of those ROC.
If you want a car, that is rock solid, in the 69 Mustand era and makes most people smile. Try a Shelby GT500. At least the 428 in that car will run all day long at redline. :) The 429,..not so much. :D
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Post by: ROC on June 15, 2015, 02:14:31 PM
Well, ya but I can actually FIND a Boss 429! for a decent price :) The Shelby is so far away from what I would be able to get but no doubt that is a much better choice. I actually do like the 429, but then, I had the 429CJ in my 72 Ranchero back when I was in high school, that thing was a monster at the time. My garage now has a lot of cars, but none of my ground pounders. Porsche Boxster, Twin Turbo BMW 335i, 530i and my 05 mustang.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Randy1 on June 15, 2015, 03:02:34 PM
We are talking about the original 69 Boss 302. Not the new one. The original was okay for its time, but in the real world, it was used at the drag strip, not the road races.
Yes, I am talking the ordinal Boss 302, big sway bars and spring tower stiffeners for handling. It was intended to be a car to fill the sports car market share but what sold magazines was horsepower and magazines sold cars in those days. Keep in mind the Triumph Spitfire had a small but nice market share. The wine and cheese cars some would say. The Boss was to take that market share with an American V8 road car.
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Post by: Skuzzy on June 15, 2015, 03:15:57 PM
Well, ya but I can actually FIND a Boss 429! for a decent price :) The Shelby is so far away from what I would be able to get but no doubt that is a much better choice. I actually do like the 429, but then, I had the 429CJ in my 72 Ranchero back when I was in high school, that thing was a monster at the time. My garage now has a lot of cars, but none of my ground pounders. Porsche Boxster, Twin Turbo BMW 335i, 530i and my 05 mustang.
Good points. Just that Boss 429 head had a number of issues and heaven help you if you cracked an exhaust valve. :) The CJ is a different beast.
Yes, I am talking the ordinal Boss 302, big sway bars and spring tower stiffeners for handling. It was intended to be a car to fill the sports car market share but what sold magazines was horsepower and magazines sold cars in those days. Keep in mind the Triumph Spitfire had a small but nice market share. The wine and cheese cars some would say. The Boss was to take that market share with an American V8 road car.
Yes, but it failed in that role. Even though it was probably the best handling Ford built, at the time. I mean you can only do so much with that old Falcon suspension system. It was never designed for actual road racing.
Yes the body roll was minimal, and it handled well enough on smooth pavement, but anything less than smooth pavement and the car would walk all over the road.
There was a reason the Trans Am teams had to completely gut the suspension system and redesign it in order to have a chance at road racing wins. Oh, 69 was not a winning year for Ford at Trans Am (not a bad year though). 70, Ford came back, but then everyone got mauled by AMC in 71. Well, I should say Donohue mauled everyone.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: CAP1 on June 15, 2015, 05:36:14 PM
And what makes you the authority on that? What facts of your back up what you say?
A mistake? :headscratch: I've never heard two guys ever argue about the Camaro vs the Mustang, Vettes and Stangs...countless times.
you must be smoking the good stuff. that's all mustang guys talk about, is hammering camaros. and the only thing camaro guys talk about is hammering mustangs. even back in 79 when i had my first 67 mustang coupe, my best friend had a 68 camaro, and we used to run em all the time.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: CAP1 on June 15, 2015, 05:37:56 PM
I grew up in those days. I remember well going to see the first Mustang. There were articles of the day saying things like, "The Mustang is no Corvette." Keep in mind too, on the car lot, the common Mustang was a straight 6 when it first hit the market.
The Boss was beat up pretty bad in a lot of the articles and school ground arguments of the day but mostly because the Boss was never meant to be a 0-60 stellar performer being more of a handling or Sports like car.
Then the EPA and compression ratios dropped ending the pony wars.
the boss302, and its big brother the boss429 sucked balls on the street. that is because they were literally race engines dropped into street cars to homologate them for their respective race serieses. and the boss302 did i believe take the trans am championship back in 69 and 70
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Post by: CAP1 on June 15, 2015, 05:38:28 PM
Actually, the Boss 302 was meant to be a drag racer. It had lousy low end performance. You had to get the engine to 5,000 RPM before it came to life. It was a horrible street car.
The Mustangs were not known for handling either. Even the Shelby version of the Mustangs involved a strictly brute force approach to handling. They just put big enough sway bars and harsh enough springs on it to keep the body from rolling, but then they bounced all over the place on anything but the smoothest streets.
not a drag racer, but rather for the trans am series.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: CAP1 on June 15, 2015, 05:41:27 PM
We are talking about the original 69 Boss 302. Not the new one. The original was okay for its time, but in the real world, it was used at the drag strip, not the road races.
I raced against plenty of them at the drag strip. Never saw one of them on the road course.
Even the old car rags made comments like, "best handling car Ford has made", which was not a really great endorsement considering Ford's street cars were not the best handling cars around, at the time.
Now, I grant you this. Ford originally intended the car to be a fit for the Trans Am race category, but quietly quit pushing it. Although Ford never did get around to offering the "Drag Pak" option for the Boss, but did offer it with the 428CJ.
It was an odd car in the real world. No matter what Ford intended.
the original boss302 was brought about to beat the 302 camaros on the trans am circuit. which i believe it did with relative ease. till the boss302, ford had nothing to compete with the camaros after 67 if i recall. it wasn't really intended as a drag racer, although geared properly, it worked well on the drag strips. get that puppy screaming through the turns though? oooooohhhhhhhh baby!!
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Post by: icepac on June 15, 2015, 07:12:04 PM
Do not try to put a modern ford modular 4v motor in a 67 mustang.
I've done a couple and you have to remove the shock towers.
If you want wow factor, try the fold down rear seats for a start.
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Post by: SIK1 on June 15, 2015, 07:46:52 PM
Iirc Penske's Camaro's won Trans Am in '69. Ford won it in '70, and Penske won it again in '71. In an AMC Javelin. :confused:
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Post by: RotBaron on June 15, 2015, 08:08:43 PM
I guess the kind that aren't self-professed experts in everything cars.
Really, there has been a huge enough debate in the car world and that you guys spend that much time on this stuff to decide that only one certain model of one car is the appropriate rival of another maker's car, while it's way out of line to compare the other model?
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Post by: RotBaron on June 15, 2015, 08:10:17 PM
Can I borrow some of your guys time? I'll give it back unharmed at a later date when I don't need it so much.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: CAP1 on June 15, 2015, 08:14:44 PM
Do not try to put a modern ford modular 4v motor in a 67 mustang.
I've done a couple and you have to remove the shock towers.
If you want wow factor, try the fold down rear seats for a start.
they came factory with fold down seats.
you remove the shock towers, make the engine bay much cleaner, and have a much more effecient engine under the hood, while maintaining the outward appearance.
Iirc Penske's Camaro's won Trans Am in '69. Ford won it in '70, and Penske won it again in '71. In an AMC Javelin. :confused:
i stand corrected.
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Post by: Skuzzy on June 16, 2015, 06:41:01 AM
CAP1. the Penske team Camaro won Trans Am in 69. 70 Ford won.
The only thing the "Boss 302 Trans Am" engine shared with the Boss 302 was the block. The "Trans Am" was fitted with the heads from the 351C, which happened to make its debut in 69 as well.
The Boss 302 heads were too weak to race. The guys that used those heads, in race cars, had to put, at least, two pins behind the combustion chamber to help prevent cracks as the castings were too thin to take the high compression stress of racing.
Yes, Ford created the 302 so they could use a 302 engine in the Trans Am series. That is about the only thing one can take from the "Boss 302" to the "Boss 302 Trans Am".
I guess the kind that aren't self-professed experts in everything cars.
Really, there has been a huge enough debate in the car world and that you guys spend that much time on this stuff to decide that only one certain model of one car is the appropriate rival of another maker's car, while it's way out of line to compare the other model?
I worked for Ford, for about 15 years. The Corvette has always outclassed anything Ford ever had to offer. Corvette guys love to rub that in. To try and compare a 60's era Mustang to a 60's era Corvette can only lead to embarrassment for the Mustang owner.
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Post by: Masherbrum on June 16, 2015, 08:22:20 AM
I guess the kind that aren't self-professed experts in everything cars.
Really, there has been a huge enough debate in the car world and that you guys spend that much time on this stuff to decide that only one certain model of one car is the appropriate rival of another maker's car, while it's way out of line to compare the other model?
You are the only one in this thread acting like those of whom you mock. You are also misinformed.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: -ammo- on June 16, 2015, 11:57:21 AM
Recently, I saw a 67 fastback modernized with a modular 5.0 and chassis/suspension on a youtube channel (can't remember which). Granted, the guy had a lot of money in the car but it was competitive in road races against all comers. I'll see if I can find it.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: Skuzzy on June 16, 2015, 01:38:30 PM
He must have caved up those shock towers something fierce to wedge a 5.0 modular engine into that narrow engine bay.
Or he completely gutted the front suspension and went custom the entire way. Would be interesting.
I mean, the 65 Cobra had a 427 big block in it. Every Cobra car kit on the market can accept that big engine, but very few kits can accept the 5.0 modular engine without a lot of cutting in the engine bay. It is a big motor.
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Post by: -ammo- on June 16, 2015, 02:02:49 PM
I'll find it
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Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 17, 2015, 04:58:27 AM
You and I probably subscribe to the same chanels :D
they called it a 68 in the beginning. the instrument cluster, and the side vents behind the doors both say 67.
the tiny steering wheel is stupid.
also...the fit of the body panels is horrible. door gap, hood not latching properly..........who the hell built that??
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Post by: CAP1 on June 17, 2015, 07:35:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLOl3weZ5o8
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Post by: Skuzzy on June 18, 2015, 06:19:51 AM
So they did have to remove the shock towers and relocate the upper control arm mounts.
Pretty nice. Thought the shifter knob was way too high, but that is just a nit.
Overall, nice work. Would like to see what they did to strengthen the front suspension mounts as they were really flimsy in the original without a triangulation brace for the shock towers.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: CAP1 on June 18, 2015, 08:45:10 PM
So they did have to remove the shock towers and relocate the upper control arm mounts.
Pretty nice. Thought the shifter knob was way too high, but that is just a nit.
Overall, nice work. Would like to see what they did to strengthen the front suspension mounts as they were really flimsy in the original without a triangulation brace for the shock towers.
i hadn't found anything showing what they did underneath. it'd be pretty nice to see though. lot of work.....but one helluva payoff too.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: JVboob on June 20, 2015, 01:04:24 AM
I have a 68 F-100 with the ranger package and a 73 F-100
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: icepac on June 20, 2015, 08:16:52 AM
He must have caved up those shock towers something fierce to wedge a 5.0 modular engine into that narrow engine bay.
Or he completely gutted the front suspension and went custom the entire way. Would be interesting.
I mean, the 65 Cobra had a 427 big block in it. Every Cobra car kit on the market can accept that big engine, but very few kits can accept the 5.0 modular engine without a lot of cutting in the engine bay. It is a big motor.
I'm pretty sure the original poster isn't interested in dropping 100 grand on his project so I figure he's probably not interested in any super wide modular engine.
The 1967 will fit the FE big block 390 and 428 and came with them stock (shelby got the 428).
I still think a hot 289 with top loader 4 speed would be more fun and a modern 5.0 or 5.8 with injection would be best bang for the buck.
Title: Re: any old school ford guys?
Post by: icepac on June 21, 2015, 03:27:27 PM
This is a 428 in a 67 fastback project I have on the back burner.
It's a 428 "cobra lemans" and it's a huge pain to even change spark plugs.