General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: ROC on July 07, 2015, 09:50:13 PM
Title: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: ROC on July 07, 2015, 09:50:13 PM
Choices to make.
Which format would you like to see in the next Scenario. Mind you, this is not "the" single source of information, and terrain conditions weighed against the upcoming new version will play a deciding role, but it's an opportunity to test the desires of the community.
Pacific Theater "BoB" Style Russian Front Italy
What's your poison, what is something you'd like to see come down the pipe?
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Volron on July 07, 2015, 10:22:23 PM
A DYNAMIC Scenario. But HiTech will add the Ho-229 and Do-335 before I see that. :)
If I had a D8 on me, I'd roll that and give you an answer.
1-2 Pacific Wish we had the TBD, D4Y, B6N, SB2C. Lot more options would be available.
3-4 BoB Updating the 88 and 110's, adding the Do-17z and Ju-87B. The updates are for obvious reasons, the additions are for more flavor. BoB may have the most solid AC line up for both sides as is. :headscratch:
5-6 Eastern I honestly cannot say one way or the other, if the USSR has enough AC for something as solid as BoB, without substitutes. :headscratch:
7-8 Italy Let's face it, Italy is just another area for the US/UK to fight Germany. Italy is a minor role regardless of when, with their current lineup of AC. :(
Aside from AC I listed above, this is where I wish we had the Fiat G.50, M.S.406, Blenheim, Gloster Gladiator, TB-3, Tupolev SB, DB-3, I-153 and I-15.
Then we could do The Winter War. :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: ROC on July 07, 2015, 10:50:25 PM
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A DYNAMIC Scenario
In what context? What would you consider a Dynamic Scenario?
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Wizz on July 07, 2015, 10:55:46 PM
How about a fictional scenario. id like to bomb Germany eith B29s
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Beefcake on July 08, 2015, 12:19:58 AM
I'd like to do something on the Russian Front or in the Pacific. Basically anything where I can have a chance to fly a B25C/H or a Tu-2. :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Volron on July 08, 2015, 12:36:40 AM
In what context? What would you consider a Dynamic Scenario?
I think I was leaning towards a more "what if" scenario. Historically, there were options to each side had that they could've used, but didn't due to varied circumstances. I believe the UK could've launched a large scale bombing offensive of their own during BoB, but due to the need to defend and resources being tight, that couldn't happen. Maybe giving that option to the Allied CiC in the next BoB? It could be a gamble that could pay well, or result in a sound thrashing, as it pulls pilots from fighters. This would also mean pilots willing to fly bombers if tasked to do so, and possibly the other way around.
If the resources were there and available historically, give an option to use them. But this puts the scenario into the "what if" category. This is what I was commenting about with the 229/335 thing. I recall someone stating that their would not be a "what if" type of scenario. But I honestly cannot remember who said this.
What I really meant to say was, "A "what if" scenario.". Sorry about the confusion. Hell, confused myself until I finally remembered what I was trying to get at. :o
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: artik on July 08, 2015, 03:30:00 AM
My choice is 1948 Middle East (IAF Spit XVI, 109G6, B-17, P-51D, Mosquito VI vs REAF Spit VIII, C205, Lancaster) with good ground action in Shermans, M3s and M16s. :D (link (http://cppcms.com/files/ah/1948/1948-ah2-event.pdf))
From the 4 above:
I'd really like to see Eastern Theater, we have a reach middle-late war soviet set
But please - do it without usual AH Land Lease bias!
Kursk: Yak-7b, Yak-9T, La-5, Il-2, I-16 with limited Hurricanes and P-40s (as in real life see this (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,360662.msg4790020.html#msg4790020))
Or early war (battle of Moscow) I-16 vs 109E + maybe 109F + Yak-7b (also 7b is later that Yak-1 but not better in terms of performance)
Of course Late war with Yak-9U, Yak-3, La-5, La-7, Tu-2 and IL-2 is even better due to a very good plane set representation
2nd choice is Early Pacific - I always love to fly F4F and kill some Zekes :) also it is highly dynamic due to heavy reliance on carriers, C&C and intelligence work.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Swoop on July 08, 2015, 05:01:27 AM
Ya'all remember the north sea scenario we did with the US Air Force Academy?
Lets re-run it, it was great.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: LLv34_Dictonius on July 08, 2015, 05:43:13 AM
I'd like the Italy or Russian front.
I wouldn't go as far as making I-16 vs 109E matchups tho. I-16 is that bad in this game, it will be a picknick for the luftwaffe. Balancing the historical accuracy is a fine art I believe. And scenario balance (so that the game is playable for both sides) is very important.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: bozon on July 08, 2015, 05:56:28 AM
North Africa.
P40s, early P38, Spit V, Hurries C&D, medium bombers. 109E&F, ju88, C202 Lovely desert camo skins.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: fudgums on July 08, 2015, 06:33:33 AM
Depends if it's a 12 Hour Scenario or a 4 Frame scenario...
North Africa or Eastern front..
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: captain1ma on July 08, 2015, 06:34:33 AM
might I suggest a setup where you have 2 lives instead of one, and the first one is planes, and the second one is GV's(for those that want to GV).
they did it in the FSO once or twice and it was a blast....pardon the pun!
my vote would be BOB or a pacific setup. as for format, I did like the 12 hour thing. I'm not sure if you guys got more participation that way or not. I'd go with whatever works and whatever gets you the most players in.
also given the number of players that participate, im surprise no one has ever tried any sort of base capture setup......just a thought.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: waystin2 on July 08, 2015, 07:12:39 AM
North Africa, Italy, Russian front just give me a scenario! :aok
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Zimme83 on July 08, 2015, 07:49:16 AM
China? P-40 vs Ki-43/A6M A 12 hour scenario -yes please. We can even have some base taking involved. i also believe that it would be fun if the exact objectives etc are unknown, adding a bit fog of war. So that the defenders dont know exact what target the enemy is going to attack.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: fudgums on July 08, 2015, 07:58:13 AM
China? P-40 vs Ki-43/A6M i also believe that it would be fun if the exact objectives etc are unknown, adding a bit fog of war. So that the defenders dont know exact what target the enemy is going to attack.
Knowing the targets we have to defend makes it too easy for us! :D
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: puller on July 08, 2015, 08:39:27 AM
12 hour BOB all the way baby :rock :rock :rock
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: artik on July 08, 2015, 08:43:21 AM
Small additional note - 12h scenario was interesting one time but it hurts the players that can't spend 12 hours or even 6 hours. All previous scenarios I participated in I and my entire squadron usually was able to do 3-4 frames - for almost entire frame. This virtually impossible for 12h one.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Zimme83 on July 08, 2015, 08:48:18 AM
We should do 12 hours scenarios 1-2 times/year, its not for every scenario, more of the cream on the cake.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: 1ijac on July 08, 2015, 09:07:18 AM
ROC,
1. The 12 hour scenario with take off windows was a lot of fun. Maybe 30 min windows would keep the action going better with unlimited lives.
2. Loved the plane and GV mixed battles of a few scenarios long ago.
3. Maybe try lowering the altitude max of fighters and buffs so the different planes of each side come closer to each performing to their maximum performance. Say, 22K fighter, 15K buffs. It could produce a real fast paced slugfest, even out the plane sets and keep the action more constant.
4. Whatever theater that could accommodate the above. I prefer a more fast paced constant action to long climb outs to 30k+.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Zoney on July 08, 2015, 09:10:46 AM
My least favorite are carrier based scenario's. I believe the preponderance of them involve just one flight with no re-arms so they are over early, unless it is a multi life event and I do not see many here that align themselves with Japanese squadrons. Most of us "play " as Luftwaffe or US squadrons.
My most favorite of all time was the 12 hour scenario.
I would like to see more scenario's involving ME262's.
If I had my choice, it would be a 12 hour scenario that began with early war birds for the first 4 hours, mid war birds for the second four hours and then late war birds for the last 4 hours, including the 262's in that last 4 hours.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: puller on July 08, 2015, 09:18:47 AM
If I had my choice, it would be a 12 hour scenario that began with early war birds for the first 4 hours, mid war birds for the second four hours and then late war birds for the last 4 hours, including the 262's in that last 4 hours.
There ya go...start with the BOB in the first 4 hours....then go with the Dday or a little earlier....end with 262's exploding 17s over berlin...you could include gvs in the last 2 frames as there were ground assaults happening...every hour you could either up a gv or a plane....your choice...or your squadrons choice....
I like the 3 or 4 frames over the course of a month...but look at the turnout we got from the 12 scenario...it was so awesome...everyone was there...
Now...I understand flyin for the whole 12 hours isn't for everyone...but that's the best part you don't have to be there for the entire thing...You could pop in fly a sortie or 2 in the first frame...go mow the lawn...come back fly a hour in frame 2...take wife to dinner to lessen wifeack and fly the last 3 hours of frame 3...you just participated in nearly the entire scenario and your gonna get points from the wife by acting like you enjoy taking her to dinner and mowing the lawn...
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Swoop on July 08, 2015, 10:17:46 AM
My least favorite are carrier based scenario's. I believe the preponderance of them involve just one flight with no re-arms so they are over early, unless it is a multi life event and I do not see many here that align themselves with Japanese squadrons. Most of us "play " as Luftwaffe or US squadrons.
Imagine a mix of USN and RN CV fleets fielding F4Fs, F4Us, seafires, etc, versus 1944 LW iron including Ju-88/87 ship killers.....and long range flights of Lancasters and mossies headed for Norway.
That was the North Sea scenario we ran. And it was epic.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Delirium on July 08, 2015, 10:34:09 AM
First off, I would encourage HTC to have a screen proclaiming the event upon login into the Main Arena.
I feel the biggest factor is lack of participation lately. Granted it reflects the current numbers that play Aces High but I also feel the designers put too many slots into the event as some kind of 'wishful thinking' thought process. From what I've seen, this tends to make the overall Allied to Axis ratio incorrect.
Instead, I would limit the event to 100 players initially. I know a bunch of you will disagree with me, but the event needs a little exclusivity. If either side fills, the incentive to fill the other would be present. Later, the overall numbers can always be increased if the interest is there. The Axis had a devil of a time last event and were behind in numbers from the very beginning.
That said, I'm determined to join the lowest side next event. Hopefully in the weakest ride, or in a ride without any guns at all in a recon role.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: DEECONX on July 08, 2015, 10:43:01 AM
For the 12hr format I think BoB would be great. Such a good scenario, whether it's FSO, snapshot, etc. Some of the most white knuckle, lip biting fights I've ever had have been on that channel. This 12hr format would be really cool I think.
For multiple frames, I'd say Eastern Front. Last one that I remember was a while ago and had GV's as well if I recall.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Tilt on July 08, 2015, 12:02:14 PM
The scenario yet to be done in AH is IMO Kursk.
The challenge is to not let it become totally tank based but be able to view the battle from an airwar/attack perspective and how it may have tipped the balance in what was historically one of the greatest tank battles in history.
I have come to the conclusion that two elements are missing from the scenario designers arsenal to achieve this.
1. AI mission programable GV's 2. PTAB's for the IL2M3.
Given these two elements (and the usual excellent terrain to suit) I am confident that an immersing, dynamic scenario design can be created from everything else available within AH today. Such a design would include both command and control elements mixed with stage by stage objectives driving both sides toward both defence and attack strategies in a battle frenzy coherent with the challenges met by the forces of the day.
The concept would have the following rides I have added one we don't have but it is not essential IMO
Russia
Yak7 Yak9T (M option load out to represent the Yak9D) La5 P39 PE2 Boston (non Formation) IL2m3 (With PTAB) TU2 (non Formation)
Panzer Mk III (also as AI) Panzer Mk IV (also as AI) Tiger 1 (also as AI) Panther (also as AI) SK251(also as AI)
The design would rotate around CM designed preset GV missions to re create the massed tank battles of the day. The side commanders would be able to influence the weight of resources applied to their sides GV forces within preset maxims dictated by their sides overall strength. The side commanders objectives would be air war in character whereby their defensive/offence air borne forces must tip the balance in the ground war in their sides favour.
Players would have set multiple pilot lives and indeed once these were used they could take up roles as tank commanders albeit in the midst of an AI driven tankbattle/s.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: extropy on July 08, 2015, 12:03:02 PM
Post El Alamein - Monty chasing Rommel to Tunisia. Hurri-Ds as tank busters.
Axis win criteria - make it to Tunisia Fxx with xx% of forces alive Allied win criteria - the other alternative
Pick the starting point for the chase to give the required scenario length.
Possible side plot - naval convoy from Italy to resupply Rommel. If it gets through, tanks can re-up at certain points along the way.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: fudgums on July 08, 2015, 12:05:00 PM
One thing about changing the planesets within the scenario(12 hour), is that it would cause the admins alot of work on top of what they already are doing.
I actually agree with Delirium on his point of limiting the event.
Still kicking myself for not finding those Lancasters in the North Sea scenario, if I flown North for 30 more seconds, I would've found them. :( Still a very fun scenario though.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: fudgums on July 08, 2015, 12:05:39 PM
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Muzzy on July 08, 2015, 12:14:35 PM
I agree that specific battles should be done as 12 hour scenarios while campaign style scenarios should stick to the 4 hour 3-4 week structure. One gives the feeling of being in a full day of combat while the other gives a better sense of an ongoing war.
BoB 12 hour would be amazing.
Regardless of the issues, I think the Russian front needs another run. A 12 hour Kursk or Stalingrad maybe?
Some personal ideas of my own:
A day/night European scenario: Daylight US bombing followed by night time British bombing and a twilight period in between (for Mossies!).
A "what if" battle simulating what would have happened if the Russian/Japanese skirmishes on the border had escalated. (Oscars and early model Zekes against Yak-7's and I16's)
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: artik on July 08, 2015, 01:42:56 PM
No matter how cool 12 hour scenario is, only few people can fly even 6 hours giving very low percent of players doing entire scenario. There are very few scenarios in general. Converting it into 12h would make it even more rare.
AAdditionally entire squadron concept becomes less relevant as your group is changing over time.,Briefing and debriefing is significant part of gameplay that is gone in 12h scenario. It is nice to have it maybe once a year but not more.
About Russian vs Japanese we cam rum Khalkin Gol snenario. Problem that we miss ki 27 and sb-2.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Zimme83 on July 08, 2015, 01:46:13 PM
The 12 hour scenario was by far the most populated special event ive been in.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: bozon on July 08, 2015, 02:02:11 PM
Artik You are not required to fly the whole 12 hours. I only flew 3 hours and that was a lot of fun. The good thing about 12H scenarios is that you can easily find a window that suits your hours, while regular frames scenarios require more commitment and are often difficult for me to join.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: ROC on July 08, 2015, 04:34:08 PM
Great feedback all, keep it coming. Got some great new ideas, support for existing ideas and even shedding light on what isn't that much fun. Regarding the 12 hour scenario, that's going to be a once a year thing, running too many of those really limits the overall design options, only so many physical ways to keep 12 hours of activity going. We spent a great deal of time figuring out how to balance the number of bombs in the air against how many targets there were, against how many times you could get to target. This all had to be set against keeping the frame alive for the full 4 hours. Had an objective been taken out in the first hour, that is 3 hours to lose people due to total boredom or "wiped, i'm out". That does severely limit the design so we may run into boredom. Of course, always looking for the new idea that makes that concept irrelevant but that is a major part of the design, keeping the game play going the distance.
I do like the idea of a Euro evolution event, not unlike our Pacific event where we started in Pearl and ended over Japan. Each frame, new planes, new resources, advances and losses per frame sets up the next frame, each frame triggers new start points and map configuration.
Could even introduce an element of specific targets either gaining resources or denying resources to ultimately either acquire the ME262 technology or prevent it from coming online.
I'd like to grow into more "board game" elements of the events, where you are not only working towards objectives, but changing the map and ultimately the front. Certain territory gains give you a ground advantage, others gain an air advantage, picking targets to secure to allow a strategic choice of targets, not simply a points gain.
We laid the foundation in the Pacific war, the Euro map is perfect for this.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: pembquist on July 08, 2015, 05:41:51 PM
North Africa, likeBozon described sounds good. Would it make sense or be possible to the siege of Malta and the Camus convoy? Is it possible to have ground units implemented in a good way or is that to complex/difficult. I'm not sure if the current style of gv play translates well but there seem to be a lot of enthusiasts.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Swoop on July 08, 2015, 05:49:32 PM
The 12 hour format just screams BOB. It's made for it.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Big Rat on July 08, 2015, 06:12:14 PM
I'd like to see Eastern Front come up again. I'd like to see it with only fighters and attack aircraft. (A20's, Tu-2's, 410's, 110's, 87's and Il2's as your ordnance carriers), thus giving even the "bombers" a chance to take on the fighters. I know when we flew the A20's in Red Storm/Krup Steal we had a blast taking on the fighters.
:salute BigRat
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: BaldEagl on July 08, 2015, 08:55:13 PM
How about The World at War, a 6-8 week scenario encompassing major battles in all theaters in chronological order with one week dedicated to each battle.
Plane sets would, of course, change based on theater but also on timeframe.
Some potential battles (In no particular order): Battle of Britain, Pearl Harbor, Kursk, Black Thursday...
New maps, new planes and new objectives every week.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Oldman731 on July 08, 2015, 09:30:28 PM
Instead, I would limit the event to 100 players initially. I know a bunch of you will disagree with me, but the event needs a little exclusivity.
I think this would be a mistake. I was able to fly the last frame when this was run, but there was no way I could, or would, be able to commit to 12 hours, or even a fraction thereof. I have no statistics, but I'll bet I wasn't alone on that.
- oldman
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Changeup on July 08, 2015, 09:40:16 PM
N Africa
"What if" scenario?
The Battle of Midway was successful for the Rising Sun and now the Japanese have 5 CVs and Nagumo's occupation forces pointed directly at Pearl Harbor. Can Pearl Harbor take another attack?? Can all of the remaining U.S. CVs plus land based a/c repel the Japanese Naval horde!!??
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: DEECONX on July 08, 2015, 10:06:55 PM
How about The World at War, a 6-8 week scenario encompassing major battles in all theaters in chronological order with one week dedicated to each battle.
Plane sets would, of course, change based on theater but also on timeframe.
Some potential battles (In no particular order): Battle of Britain, Pearl Harbor, Kursk, Black Thursday...
New maps, new planes and new objectives every week.
Only issue with that is the constantly changing units/numbers, sides, etc
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: ROC on July 08, 2015, 10:39:19 PM
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How about The World at War, a 6-8 week scenario encompassing major battles in all theaters in chronological order with one week dedicated to each battle.
..... Wait.....hmmm.....oh well, now this is something to chew on.
Pac, enter the war, evolve into Europe.... 3 Pac frames, 5 Euro, there could be a ground heavy campaign, one focused on air to air dogfights, one mega bomber, one mega counter attack, there is a great deal of potential here.
You might have just caused me a great deal of work Sir. The different maps and objectives, did that in Pac, the long term planning and changing participants with a stable leadership, did it in The 12 Hour caffeine rush from hell.
My ONLY hesitation, is it sustainable over 8 weeks, this would be a butt ton of work for the leadership team. But my gawd that would be fun.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Volron on July 08, 2015, 11:05:54 PM
I do like the idea of a Euro evolution event, not unlike our Pacific event where we started in Pearl and ended over Japan. Each frame, new planes, new resources, advances and losses per frame sets up the next frame, each frame triggers new start points and map configuration.
Could even introduce an element of specific targets either gaining resources or denying resources to ultimately either acquire the ME262 technology or prevent it from coming online.
I'd like to grow into more "board game" elements of the events, where you are not only working towards objectives, but changing the map and ultimately the front. Certain territory gains give you a ground advantage, others gain an air advantage, picking targets to secure to allow a strategic choice of targets, not simply a points gain.
We laid the foundation in the Pacific war, the Euro map is perfect for this.
Yes, yes! These are were I was trying to go with my posts. :aok
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: KCDitto on July 08, 2015, 11:36:33 PM
WOW!
Hey GUYS, on the 12 hour thing, YOU DO NOT have to fly all hours. We had the largest turn out because people from all time zones could find a time they could fly. It worked great. I had guys showing up and leaving all the time. I think it worked great and no one will demand yo fly all 12.
Great input guys. A lot to chew on here.
As was mentioned a few times....... 12 HOUR BoB! BoB just screams 12 hours :x EAGLE DAY ALL DAY from the first early morning raids and STUKAS KILLING RADAR! The attack from the EAST. I would be ALL OVER THIS! :aok
I am not a fan of PAC war, but still fly them in fairness to you BLUE PLANE SQUADS..... you need something to shoot at.
What about a BODENPLATTE? Luftwaffe early morning raid with allies on the deck. All low level fights. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: save on July 09, 2015, 04:30:32 AM
Maybe an Arnhem scenario, resupplying and defend paratroopers areas. Medium level bombers and Jabo from both sides, fighter cover etc.
Setup Allies A20's P47d25,P47d40,P51b/d,P38j/L Spitfire IX, Spitfire VIII typhoon c47's
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Zimme83 on July 09, 2015, 04:40:47 AM
Problem with Arnhem is that it would be a very uneven fight. With some few exceptions LW were totaly unable to threat the C-47:s so either we have it like irl with Lw outnumbered by 10:1 or something like that or we give the LW an even chance and having the goons slaughtered.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: artik on July 09, 2015, 04:52:14 AM
Regarding the 12 hour scenario, that's going to be a once a year thing, running too many of those really limits the overall design options, only so many physical ways to keep 12 hours of activity going.
I do like the idea of a Euro evolution event, not unlike our Pacific event where we started in Pearl and ended over Japan. Each frame, new planes, new resources, advances and losses per frame sets up the next frame, each frame triggers new start points and map configuration.
What do you think of something similar to last Pacific War but at Eastern Front. We have very nice set of VVS planes that have never participated in the scenarios: Yak-7b, Yak-3, I-16, Tu-2 - we need to use them...
Frame I: Operation Barbarossa 1941
- I-16, IL-2, T-34/76, Limited Yak-7b(*) - 109E-4, Ju-87D-3, Bf-110, He-111, Ju-88, Panzer IV (short barrel version) Limited Bf-109F-4 (**)
LW Objective - destroy a set of VVS airbases, capture a set of V Bases VVS Objective - damage LW, prevent from LW to gain air superiority
(*) Yak-7b is good substitute to Yak-1. Note: Yak-1 is actually superior to Yak-7 in terms of performance having higher power/mass ratio. (**) 109F-4 has more powerful engine in comparison to 109F-2 that was common at Eastern front.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: puller on July 09, 2015, 08:42:48 AM
So...if we cant have another 12 hour scenario this year....
I demand that next year we have the 12 hour BOB.... :rock :rock :rock
I hear the 109's purring on the runway now.... :aok
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: ROC on July 09, 2015, 09:21:52 AM
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I demand that next year we have the 12 hour BOB...
I heard "demand" but was looking for "bribe"...... :rofl
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: DEECONX on July 09, 2015, 09:24:50 AM
I heard "demand" but was looking for "bribe"...... :rofl
*Waves hand*
You want to run the 12 hour BoB next year...
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: ROC on July 09, 2015, 09:33:01 AM
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*Waves hand*
Hmmph, silly Deeconx. That only works on the weak minded.
So, the next BoB will be a 12 hour event and...wait.. (shakes head) You Bastage!! Knock That Off!!
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: save on July 09, 2015, 10:43:02 AM
We have the same problem from D-day to VE day, yet it is very hard to defend medium bombers and c47's, IRL proven by Jg26 Remember we are just looking at a small part of the front.
Problem with Arnhem is that it would be a very uneven fight. With some few exceptions LW were totaly unable to threat the C-47:s so either we have it like irl with Lw outnumbered by 10:1 or something like that or we give the LW an even chance and having the goons slaughtered.
Title: Re: Upcoming Scenario Format - Your Opportunity To Weigh In
Post by: Zoney on July 09, 2015, 11:03:10 AM
May we please have another 12 hour scenario in October with BOB.
Our last one had the Axis defending and the Allies attacking. This one could be the exact opposite. With the aircraft available to the Luftwaffe for bombing, the ultra high altitude bomber missions would be non existant so alt caps would not even be necessary.
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Post by: Randy1 on July 09, 2015, 12:39:38 PM
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Post by: puller on July 09, 2015, 12:46:39 PM
You could have the biggest turnout in AH history if you ran the 12 hour BoB after the update (in 2 weeks might I add)...
All your old hands will be here to check out the update...you spam the crap outta it in-game and on the boards for 3 months after the update comes out...twitter, facebook all that stuff...commercials on history channel....
"Do you want to sit in the seat of a Spitfire during one largest air to air battles of all time? Do you want to defend Britain during its darkest hour?" ya know something like that...to get us lots of targets... :devil
So....if we cant have the 12hour BoB this year....I demand that we run it next year in October... :joystick: :airplane:
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Post by: puller on July 09, 2015, 12:48:31 PM
Ya'all remember the north sea scenario we did with the US Air Force Academy?
Lets re-run it, it was great.
Yep, and the Cadets had a great time. I helped introduce the USAFA Wargaming Club to AH, worked with HTC to get their accounts comp'd for the semester, and did a bit of training with them to get them up to speed. Was a really cool scenario design (I was not involved in the scenario development), and the cadets really enjoyed it.
On the what if scenario front, I suggested the following in another post...
a what-if scenario I'd love to see is a 1945/1946 scenario where the Western allies (Britain and USA) going to war with the USSR after Germany's surrender (Patton: "Where gonna have to fight the d@mned Bolsheviks eventually...we might as well do it now, while we've got the army here to do it!"). There were numerous clashes between Russian and Allied forces as the Western and Eastern fronts ended. Any one of them could have resulted in general hostilities. Given Stalin's nature, he might very well of thought it was his only chance to completely "liberate" Europe, before the US completed it's Manhattan Project. He may have thought the West so war weary that they would not have the stomach for a new war, too.
Britain/USA: B17/B24/B29 Gloster Meteor (sub Me262, or assume German jets captured) Fighters (Any late war Allied iron) GVs: any US/Brit vehicles
USSR: Any USSR fighters/bombers/attack (USSR never retired anything) except I-16 (none left by this time), plus Me262 and Me163 (from over-run factories) GVs: Any Soviet vehicles, plus M-3s/M-16s (lend-lease left overs)
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Post by: wpeters on July 09, 2015, 01:12:56 PM
Easter front PLEASE
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Post by: bangsbox on July 09, 2015, 01:23:19 PM
love to see a Budapest scenario or Latvian
panther/tigers/jagdpanzers Vs t34/85 in a 1 to 4 ratio
and a historical plane set
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Post by: SlipKnt on July 09, 2015, 01:23:54 PM
I am voting Pacific Theater.
F6Fs...
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Post by: Oddball-CAF on July 09, 2015, 02:46:47 PM
Personally, I found the "12 hour" format to be a hell of a lot of fun and the "top of the hour" flight windows worked out quite well. I'm VERY much looking forward to/hoping for another 12-hour scenario. As the theater of operations, I've no preference at all. They've all got their own particular "magic".
Best regards, Odd
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Post by: FBKampfer on July 09, 2015, 02:57:12 PM
Might be a bit of work, but I'd love to see a scenario where the starting position, conditions, and objectives being determined by the outcome of the previous frame.
Or give each side a reinforcement pool, which determines how many sorties are available, with the CO having discretion on when and where to use them.
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Post by: ROC on July 09, 2015, 03:57:22 PM
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Might be a bit of work, but I'd love to see a scenario where the starting position, conditions, and objectives being determined by the outcome of the previous frame.
Or give each side a reinforcement pool, which determines how many sorties are available, with the CO having discretion on when and where to use them.
This is exactly what I am considering when we talk about "game board" style of event. The planes would be era specific, changing with each frame as the war progresses, and dependent on the prior frames successes or failures. This would not be a historically accurate event, it would be an actual war that the players would control based on their own actions and outcomes. The only historical accuracy would be around the map and planes that they started with. Absolutely worth the work. The hourly start times could even be worked into a multi frame event instead of one or two lives, making sure there was the ability to participate through the entirety of the event.
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Post by: Guppy35 on July 09, 2015, 05:47:53 PM
This is exactly what I am considering when we talk about "game board" style of event. The planes would be era specific, changing with each frame as the war progresses, and dependent on the prior frames successes or failures. This would not be a historically accurate event, it would be an actual war that the players would control based on their own actions and outcomes. The only historical accuracy would be around the map and planes that they started with. Absolutely worth the work. The hourly start times could even be worked into a multi frame event instead of one or two lives, making sure there was the ability to participate through the entirety of the event.
I would gladly donate my time to help if at all possible.
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Post by: Volron on July 09, 2015, 09:27:57 PM
What do you think of something similar to last Pacific War but at Eastern Front. We have very nice set of VVS planes that have never participated in the scenarios: Yak-7b, Yak-3, I-16, Tu-2 - we need to use them...
Frame I: Operation Barbarossa 1941
- I-16, IL-2, T-34/76, Limited Yak-7b(*) - 109E-4, Ju-87D-3, Bf-110, He-111, Ju-88, Panzer IV (short barrel version) Limited Bf-109F-4 (**)
LW Objective - destroy a set of VVS airbases, capture a set of V Bases VVS Objective - damage LW, prevent from LW to gain air superiority
(*) Yak-7b is good substitute to Yak-1. Note: Yak-1 is actually superior to Yak-7 in terms of performance having higher power/mass ratio. (**) 109F-4 has more powerful engine in comparison to 109F-2 that was common at Eastern front.
Far too linear.
Reason: German's win Frame one. Now what? There wouldn't be a Frame 2 if Germany wins. Or, maybe there would be? It would highly depend on what the map looks like after Operation Barbarossa, despite the German Victory. :headscratch:
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Post by: artik on July 10, 2015, 09:09:52 AM
Reason: German's win Frame one. Now what? There wouldn't be a Frame 2 if Germany wins. Or, maybe there would be? It would highly depend on what the map looks like after Operation Barbarossa, despite the German Victory. :headscratch:
1st of all Historically, Luftwaffe won the "1st" frame - the initial step was total success destroying most of VVS. But it may be different in AH.
"Best" plane does not always win. See BoB - Hurricane was significantly less efficient than 109E so? Most of the work was done by Hurricanes.
Zero is much better than F4F, so? See what happened in Pacific War scenario?
Actually I-16 is quite close in terms of performance to Hurricane I. But has somewhat better ammo. Pilots who flew both I-16 and Hurricane preferred I-16, also Hurricane had better radio and was more comfortable. (I'll try to find the reference)
One of the reasons that VVS was wiped out in first days is that they were completely unprepared.
So I wouldn't be so sure of LW victory
Also I wouldn't connect frames strongly I'd go to something that was during Pacific War scenario.
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Post by: Zimme83 on July 10, 2015, 09:14:47 AM
I-16 vs 109E is not a very uneven fight in AH.
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Post by: LilMak on July 10, 2015, 12:13:05 PM
Probably not gonna happen but I'd like to see some more stuff like close air support (train, tank, convoy killing) type things.
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Post by: Randy1 on July 10, 2015, 12:19:01 PM
Probably not gonna happen but I'd like to see some more stuff like close air support (train, tank, convoy killing) type things.
Me too.
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Post by: LilMak on July 10, 2015, 12:27:11 PM
Think it would be cool to have some defensive situations like a couple tanks and some 88s defending a town or field and have an advancing horde of mixed GVs attacking the position. You could introduce some interesting stuff like Storch spotting enemy and calling in air strikes with a small compliment of defending aircraft trying to shoot down tank busters. Guys in M3s trying to keep tanks on the battle field. A few M16s and wirbs thrown in.
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Post by: Nefarious on July 10, 2015, 12:58:26 PM
Been meaning to read this thread, glad I did.
I would be willing to run BOB 12 hour, if everyone who was involved in TFT steps up and helps out again, and we get some more help from my CM team with the setup and admin duties.
Im super busy with real life atm, just could use a hand.
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Post by: pembquist on July 10, 2015, 01:24:55 PM
Heres a thought, (not a complete scenario idea and maybe impossible with terrains as they are,) what about train, convoy, ship destruction as an important part of strategy for an event. Maybe a North Atlantic scenario with HE 111 as a substitute for condors and a20's for beaufighters, only sea hurricanes on the ships. Actually this sounds contrived. Maybe Norway, British fleets protected by fighters out of Britain.
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Post by: puller on July 10, 2015, 01:26:45 PM
Whatever is needed for the 12 hour BoB....hit me up... :rock
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Post by: fudgums on July 10, 2015, 04:17:04 PM
12 Hour scenario during football season(American) would be best for me personally!
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Post by: KCDitto on July 12, 2015, 11:11:06 AM
I would help in any way you need for a 12 hour BoB.....
Except flying British...... :bolt:
But I would lead a group for Luftwaffe for sure and depending on date, commit to all 12 hours again.
My Daughter plays college Volleyball and this is volleyball season and I plan on attending as many games as I can even with the 3 hour drive...
Ditto
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on July 12, 2015, 02:38:03 PM
North Africa would be sweet. RAF (+Commonwealth), RN, USAAF, Luftwaffe and Regia Aeronautica in one theater.
Maybe with the updated graphics it can approach this for drool factor:
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Post by: mthrockmor on July 12, 2015, 02:45:05 PM
I would vote a 12-hour, combined arms scenario.
The advantage of doing something Eastern Front is the Il-2 and Ju-87G (with anti-tank gun?). North Africa would bring in the the Hurri with 45mms. In either case, half in the air the other half in tanks, two or three life event. Max altitude 15k.
boo
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Post by: Nefarious on July 12, 2015, 02:47:08 PM
The original idea for TFT was going to be a Normandy Invasion/breakout.
Had to cut the GVs, for several different reasons. But I would like to eventually try it.
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Post by: BFOOT1 on July 12, 2015, 02:52:21 PM