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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Oddball-CAF on July 12, 2015, 09:29:00 AM
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I'm looking to working alongside another squadron(s) for my 47 Ronin "Squad Night"
each Thursday night at 9PM Eastern for some "joint operations".
This cooperative effort will see each squad assigned a particular task for the main
mission. This could be a separate fighter sweep to BARCAP between an enemy
airfield and a second field we might be trying to capture. It could be direct fighter
escort, it could be your squad in bombers for the hour or two it will run.
I would be responsible for working up the "OPORDS" for each week's mission(s)
as well as the plane set to be used for that night. ie: it might be German or Japanese
themed, etc.. and getting them out to the squadron COs a couple of days in
advance for forwarding to their pilots.
It is my thought that fleshing things out a bit, and involving other Rook squadron(s)
will result in some fun missions/strikes and may allow to a smaller degree, an
operational level of operations on the map. ie: op(s) not directed at a single
field, but spread out over several sectors.
I'm not looking for a "horde" and these will not be "strat" or "HQ" runs.
Squadron Commanders who would like to give this a shot are encouraged to
PM me here on the board and include their squadron name, in-game handle and email
address. The email address will be used to disseminate the OPORDS each
week which will also include each squadron(s) planes/tasks for the evening.
Depending on the level of interest, I think we can do a lot of fun stuff
cooperatively and beyond that, meet and fly with folks we don't normally
have the opportunity to fly with in the main arena.
If you've got a pure "fighters only" squadron, there's a place for you.
If you've got a "GV operations only", there's a place for you.
Your squad does only bomber ops? No problem, there's a place for you.
If you've got only two guys in your squad, perfectly fine. I'm not
concerned about size. My main concern is coordination and cooperation.
I think we can have a lot of fun with this right out of the gate.
Best regards,
Oddball
Commanding Officer
The 47 Ronin
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What the hell are you trying to do?? Make the game fun or something????
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Well, that is the desired "end state" I'm after. :D
But I've not need, nor the desire to be another Machiavelli. I simply don't have
the time nor the inclination for that.
As well, to be frank, the game itself is much too simplistic and stale at the moment
to allow for much of anything beyond a simple "cookie cutter approach" to
anything, be it a capture effort, a fighter sweep, a bomber mission, a strats strike,
or just plain old "furballing" which is a LOT of fun, but which is getting harder and
harder to find on many of the maps in use. They are simply WAY too large to
encourage large, fun fights except in occasional instances.
So, the way I see it, the way to inject some additional fun into the game and
-encourage- larger, more intense battles is to give both the "enemy" and
friendly units a "goal" on a particular area of the map; draw them in on a
larger scale to a certain area of operations.
People in the main will populate a certain area(s) of the map in anticipation
of "action" of some sort. Right now, it's spread all over the map and not very
intense at all.
My intent is to "populate" an area of say, 4 grids with fighters, bombers, jabos,
and perhaps even GVs with Rook squadrons. However, and this is important,
it can't be one massive "horde" which will quickly overwhelm the enemy
or an airfield, thus "killing the fight".
I want the "enemy" to know we are working a particular 4 grid area, but
not to know which of the numerous field(s) is our ultimate objective.
In theory, this will draw a lot of enemy fighters/squadrons away from far flung/
low intensity combat and into that four grid area.
Another important aspect of it will be encouraging the Rook squadron COs
(if any get involved in this) to work their part of the operation in such a manner
as to -encourage- a good fight. For example, running a bomber mission at 10K
instead of 20K, but running escorts with it. (Perhaps another Rook squadron.)
This naturally allows for more enemy fighter attacks which is going to be WAY
more fun than an unopposed 20K bomber mission.
The bombers get a cheap headrush being attacked, the escorts get to do some
dancing, and the enemy gets to shoot down some bombers and/or fighters.
Everybody "wins" in the grand scheme of things.
The main ingredient for this is of course squadrons; functional squadrons
and I do not foresee it as a 24/7 thing. I see it as basically "the one night
during the week when the Rooks do some organized stuff".
The Rook squadron COs have grown their herds over the weeks, months,
years. Now it's time to put 'em to use; one night per week. The ball is being
placed firmly in their hands.
Best regards,
Oddball
Commanding Officer
The 47 Ronin
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Speaking of coordinated ops... I just read through and old MoM after action report... over 50 sets of B-17s escorted by over 50 fighters, intercepted by a similar number of players.
I really miss coordinated action on such a scale in the MA :cry
/nostalgia
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Yeah Lusche, I find myself missing the large scale action as well at times.
My ambitions in coordinated ops among the Rooks is on a smaller scale, but
hopefully they'll be as much fun and entail a lot of action.
If it gets any traction, I'll be utilizing just about every airframe in the plane set
as time goes by.
May we all get some sweaty palms and cheap headrushes out of it. Huzzah!
Best, Odd
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You do remember JSO got us ENY.......
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Sort of reminds me of the glory days of 82nd, 20th, 91st and anyone else tagging along for operations. Good luck to you! :airplane:
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You do remember JSO got us ENY.......
JSO was a pilot. I think you're referring to the so-called "RJO" which was "Rook Joint Operations".
I'm thinking in terms of a much smaller scale, Buster.
"Don't hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning. Think the bridge will be there and it will be there. It's a mother, beautiful bridge, and it's gonna be there. Okay?"
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Sort of reminds me of the glory days of 82nd, 20th, 91st and anyone else tagging along for operations. Good luck to you! :airplane:
Hi Deecon,
Thanks, man. I surely do miss those "glory days" of yesteryear. I'm still sportin' my old
"CAF" appendage in the arena in homage to my beginnings in the Cactus Air Force
of Air Warrior and early AH days. :aok
Best regards, Odd
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You know we abuse the system until Hitech steps in and shuts us down because we always refuse to stop going to the well we polluted as long as we get away with it. And then we blame Hitech because we poisoned ourselves by placing the poisoned water in our own mouths and swallow.
Nothing may come of it but, I bet that's what they thought back in AH1.
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You know we abuse the system until Hitech steps in and shuts us down because we always refuse to stop going to the well we polluted as long as we get away with it. And then we blame Hitech because we poisoned ourselves by placing the poisoned water in our own mouths and swallow.
Nothing may come of it but, I bet that's what they thought back in AH1.
I'm pretty sure Oddball isn't planning a horde mission where we will have 5 squads and 50 guys hit one vehicle base like a certain Bish country we all know :noid
Picture instead multiple attacks going on at a number of bases, fighter sweeps, porking missions, missions that do nothing but draw a crowd while the real mission attacks another base for the capture.
I'd be the first guy to bail on this mission if it turns into a horde run. Have a little faith. This is run by guys who hate hordes and play this game to have fun as well as try to make it fun for the bad guys.
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Sort of reminds me of the glory days of 82nd, 20th, 91st and anyone else tagging along for operations. Good luck to you! :airplane:
I was in the 91st, and these missions were a blast. The only time we did not have fun if no one came up to fight, but fun anyway :cheers:
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You know we abuse the system until Hitech steps in and shuts us down because we always refuse to stop going to the well we polluted as long as we get away with it. And then we blame Hitech because we poisoned ourselves by placing the poisoned water in our own mouths and swallow.
Nothing may come of it but, I bet that's what they thought back in AH1.
Buster, I completely understand your concerns with this. But I repudiate your insinuation
that I am sullying the waters of the Aces High well in a vainglorious attempt to
become a Genghis Khan.
There will be no Golden Horde, altitudes are purposely being kept such that a fun, action
packed fight will be had by both attackers and defenders. I am purposely NOT shutting
down the fighter hangers at the target field in order to engender a fight.
I have absolutely no intentions whatsoever of moving this beyond an operational
scale and into the realm of "strategic bombing", such as shutting down HQs every week
with a 20 sector, yawn-inducing wing of B29s flying at 30,000 feet. Could I do it?
Sure. But to what purpose? It'd bore the pilots to death and suck a lot of the fun out
of the game for the "enemy" while they tried to find a fight on maps which are ridiculously
large and are a contributing factor to the subscription levels of AH declining over the
past several years.
I'm merely attempting to "shrink" the maps by drawing both friendly and enemy
pilots into a relatively smaller area of operations; providing more targets and more
enemy for everyone to have fun with and shoot at.
Let's -all-, both "friendly" and "enemy" have fun with this and see firsthand what
kind of entertainment it provides to our friends and pilots before attempting to
discredit it and me, before it even gets off the ground.
Oddball
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can you switch the day to tuesday. during pig's squad night? we running out of targets.
semp
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^^^this^^^
I know you guys want enemies to intercept you. Pigs and JG11 both have their squadnights on Tuesdays. We will play fair I promise you.
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Looking forward to joining the fun.
(kong)
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You know we abuse the system until Hitech steps in and shuts us down because we always refuse to stop going to the well we polluted as long as we get away with it. And then we blame Hitech because we poisoned ourselves by placing the poisoned water in our own mouths and swallow.
Nothing may come of it but, I bet that's what they thought back in AH1.
What the heck are you talking about?
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I learned an awful lot about Mossie's from Odd. Now Odd never went base bashing with Mossie's but we would take them up specifically to hunt enemy fighter planes, and you know what? I learned a squad of Mossie's, working as a team, utilizing B@Z tactics from 10k to 12k down to 6k, are a very, very formidable force to control airspace with.
With no ords and the proper fuel load out 4 to 6 of them, working together, are a very lethal force when flown disciplined in the verticle. When you stay between 6k to 12k the Mossie is a different animal. I miss those missions, we learned a lot from Odd during them.
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What the heck are you talking about?
You haven't been in our game very long then. We got ENY in AH1 due to a well meaning well organized effort that took on a life of it's own. Same as all of the times since then Hitech has stepped in and changed the game to keep us from chasing out customers because something took on a life of it's own. More often it is something not organized where an oversight has been leveraged like the 163's perk cost increase reason. Or suddenly with lower player numbers, the HQ going down repeatedly every night.
Nothing may come of this but, with the lower numbers in the MA, it takes less to impact those numbers and make them feel like logging off. If the process takes on a life of it's own, canceled subscriptions. We used to have the numbers that it didn't matter if the HQ went down. Very often the HQ raider simply didn't make it due to numbers. Now we are down to small numbers of customers who don't want to spend their short valuble time chasing greifers who are capitalizing on the small numbers.
If Odd's new joint rook operation can force multiply by using a majority of the available players and shut down the small numbers of scattered players in a single country we have today in the MA. One night will be an adventure, if it becomes SOP with life of it's own, AH1 deja vu. And all those years ago, Odd knows that Hitech stepped in because players chose to leave the game.
That is called drinking from the well you poisoned yourself because it tastes too good to stop.
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For those who haven't been around since 2001, Bustr is referring to the Rook Joint Operations that began in the last couple months of 2001 and stretched well into 2002.
Just a brief review of what I remember ( and some old e-mails I still have lying around in a filing cabinet ) .. the Rooks were being ganged by knight and bishops quite frequently(even posts on the BBS confirmed that ) , near the end of 2001.. also correlating to the mass influx of new blood from the recently executed Air Warrior. A few of the large Rook squads decided to try to coordinate efforts on Sunday nights and RJO was born. It started out as a riot but, as with many good things it did get out of hand and become the penultimate definition of what a horde was. Looking back, yeah, it got out of control. Remembering back to the dark times before, however, it did provide some vengence and retribution for the rook persecution that led to that era.
No, I don't want to see Odd's effort expand to that level again, but a nice operation with multiple squads would be a good change.
I tried to find some BBS references about RJO at the time, but even at page 2050, the time linearity collapses in this category and I quit trying after a few minutes.
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Here are a few pages that Drone is talking about....
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,54163.msg492432.html#msg492432
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,75605.msg720930.html#msg720930
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,109039.msg1126983.html#msg1126983
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,68496.msg640061.html#msg640061
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,69971.msg657057.html#msg657057
The thing that these combined ops have in their favor is...
1. They are run by guys who are out to have fun and MAKE fun for everyone on all sides. Base capture, while on to ticket isn't the main focus. The old RJO was more in the line of kicking @zz because they could.
2. While there are still a bunch of squads in AH, they are no longer what they use to be. Very few squads have a squad night let alone "operations". Few squads can pull together any numbers, let along the numbers Bustr seems to be worried about.
If 40 guys hit 3 bases on 2 fronts I really doubt it will upset the balance of the game. WHat the enemy will see is 10-12 guys coming in and hitting a few bases. Small attacks with purpose. That purpose to have a fight over a field, instead of playing "wack a mole", "chase the porkers", "resupply HQ.... AGAIN" and all the old favorites we seem to be stuck playing now.
You pigs are always calling out "come fight us!, well Thursday you might find a few to fight you.
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Leaving out the strats narrows things in my opinion. One way I see is: Several sets of heavy bombers tasked with hitting strats, running with escorts and having point of entry/exit sectors that all follow. Supporting the heavy bombers are several sets of medium bombers hitting various fields along the route or at the very least the entry/exit sectors, also running with escorts. Then you have fighter groups, running jabo/fighter sweep, porking and/or base taking, possibly taking the bases the mediums are hitting.
If they go for the heavies, you could get some solid takes. If they ignore the heavies, damage inflicted to the strats makes the jabo porker's work stick longer. Definitely not an easy plan regardless.
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i remember back to tour 75 when i first started with AH , i flew Bish at the time and one of the most epic memories was when the Rooks had coordinated incredibly large missions and devastated every field in their path , i will never forget those days , i died so many times trying to kill those bombers ....
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Ever hear of the knights? No? Didn't think so.
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i remember back to tour 75 when i first started with AH , i flew Bish at the time and one of the most epic memories was when the Rooks had coordinated incredibly large missions and devastated every field in their path , i will never forget those days , i died so many times trying to kill those bombers ....
saying tour 75 is meaningless. so please let the rest of us in the know and say something like summer of 2008. heck we'll even take when that band camp movie came out.
semp
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i remember back to tour 75 when i first started with AH , i flew Bish at the time and one of the most epic memories was when the Rooks had coordinated incredibly large missions and devastated every field in their path , i will never forget those days , i died so many times trying to kill those bombers ....
That were the original LCA missions. I was rook at the time they started and after short time I permanently switched to Knight because of the devastating effects those missions had on a whole front line (= no one to shoot at)
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You haven't been in our game very long then.
Thank you for taking the time to bring myself and all those whove been playing for less than 13 years up to speed. <S> - Hetz
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I was in the 91st, and these missions were a blast. The only time we did not have fun if no one came up to fight, but fun anyway :cheers:
Some of my favorite times in game......seeing my 82nd Squadies and 20th guys off my wings, and seeing the 91st and Dickweeds down at our low 1 oclock :aok
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saying tour 75 is meaningless. so please let the rest of us in the know and say something like summer of 2008. heck we'll even take when that band camp movie came out.
semp
ahh yes April of 2006
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Some of my favorite times in game......seeing my 82nd Squadies and 20th guys off my wings, and seeing the 91st and Dickweeds down at our low 1 oclock :aok
Correct me if I am wrong, but it was great seeing you all in formation flying them 38's to fly escort for us. The good thing about Eggs missions was we were not out to really do any base take, yes we would kill a base or two, but more to see if we could get into some nail biting action and make it home :salute
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If you see 49Merlin on send him a PM and he will rally the 49rs to defend in a proper fasion. lol
you say your in hvy buffs theres a good chance Merlin will tell the boys to up german fighters to incept. We love themed missions. And a good mission ib is always fun to try and bust up.
<S> good luck im rarely on in the PM these days but its always fun fights.
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Well, this idea was a bust. Hehehee! Only one Rook squad got back to me with regards
to participating and it comprised one pilot. D'oh!
On the plus side, our "Squad Night" was a lot of fun and we accomplished our "mission"
for the evening which was engendering some good fights around the 253/255 area
of the map. :D
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JSO was a pilot. I think you're referring to the so-called "RJO" which was "Rook Joint Operations".
I'm thinking in terms of a much smaller scale, Buster.
"Don't hit me with them negative waves so early in the morning. Think the bridge will be there and it will be there. It's a mother, beautiful bridge, and it's gonna be there. Okay?"
Those sunday nights were a blast!
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Oh the Nostalgia. Is Earl still around, old friend?
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I'd say keep trying Odd, I'm available for ops with any squad whenever I'm on. <S> - Hetzer
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Oh the Nostalgia. Is Earl still around, old friend?
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Hey Rose! Yeah man, Earl is still in AH. He's ramrodding his own herd now, the 94th B/A group.
You about ready to knock the dust off that joystick? ;)
Best regards, Odd
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I'd say keep trying Odd, I'm available for ops with any squad whenever I'm on. <S> - Hetzer
A good man knows when to quit, Hetzer. :)
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Correct me if I am wrong, but it was great seeing you all in formation flying them 38's to fly escort for us. The good thing about Eggs missions was we were not out to really do any base take, yes we would kill a base or two, but more to see if we could get into some nail biting action and make it home :salute
Nope your dead on, we never took a base. It was all about kicking up a hornets nest and then trying to get home :aok :salute
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Hey Rose! Yeah man, Earl is still in AH. He's ramrodding his own herd now, the 94th B/A group.
You about ready to knock the dust off that joystick? ;)
Best regards, Odd
I'm working on fixing my pc and getting it sent to me! I'll never forget how I ended up with it, man.
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Make a rare appearance from the Past.......
Man, I remember one RJO that was huge, I remembered taking some fields and moving the battle front, but I remember also taking down the entire strat for one of the enemy countries. To the best of my knowledge that was the first time Strat had been taken out in that arena. It crippled the enemy. I was fun to participate in on the attack side, I think it pretty much sucked for the enemy. I remember sharing that experience with HiTech and him laughing his bellybutton off about it.
Cactus Air Force, Nightmares, and bunch of others had some great back then.
Hi, Odd, Drone and Others, Glad to see you guys are going strong and do well. <S>
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Hi Grimm,
Was that you I saw on very late last night?
There was a "Grimmxxx" or a similar handle flying on another squad's
channel which I'd hopped on to help out with a field capture.
Regards, Odd
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Oh the Nostalgia. Is Earl still around, old friend?
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:airplane: Still here, but having a hard time getting many rooks to join my missions! Every time we get 12 to 15 guys in a mission, we usually do pretty good about base taking! I still have my bombers around 12 or 13 thousand, so that the fighter guys have a chance to intercept the bad guys, as that is not to high for most to climb up to!
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No, It was not me. I have not flow online in years. I do go up for a quick flight offline from time to time but thats it.
I just get curious from time to time as to whats going on. :)
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You did it again Odd, I was going to remind you of RJO
and that it was soundly frowned upon by the powers that
be :noid
The only thing I would worry about is that pesky ENY thing :bhead
Osiris
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The ENY doesn't bother me. I just hop in a Mossie, and I've no problem at all flyin' crappy rides
if that's what I'm relegated to. :)
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OddCAF, if that was your mission planning last night, I really enjoyed it. Was a great fight (from the other side); me and Shamus were having a blast fighting and dying. I like the way you spread out forces and coordinated the attack over several bases. Well done.
Elvis
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Hi Elvis,
I spent entirely WAY too much time flyin' last night.
My little band of brothers joined up to help "Tunes" with
a base-capture early on in the evening. They were trying
to get "V57", the vehicle base way up north.
His crew and mine were out of synch as my "47 Ronin and friends"
had done a fighter sweep prior to that and couldn't launch with
Tunes at the same time.
It turned a bit messy and an enemy CV compounded that, so
after about 45 minutes, I withdrew from that and ran some
fighter sweeps on my own for a much needed change of pace.
At that point, we were sweeping from our "62" airfield and
working our way to the Bishop airfield West, then pushing
North up towards the "49" area. We were just doing indirect
support with those sorties.
Later, we moved South, again doing fighter sweeps and
some attack/capture efforts very late at night resulted in a
couple of fields taken under our belt.
I don't have the patience or the inclination to be in "win the war"
mode all the time. Repetive and constant base capturing just isn't
my cup of tea. I like to mix things up with my herd and do a little
bit of everything over the course of a night.
We had some outstanding fights last night and my hat's off to you. <S>
Hey, a little bit of "history" for you. The "CAF" in my handle is representative
of the fact that I flew with the "Cactus Air Force" for a good number of years
when I first flew in Air Warrior and Aces High. "The Flying Circus" was our
sister squadron back then, ramrodded by "Vati" who was a wonderful fellow
and a hardcore stick.
I've not seen Vati online in years, but if you or any of the FCs see or hear from
him, tell him I said "hey!".
Best regards, Odd