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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saxman on August 19, 2015, 08:03:57 PM
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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1099646_breaking-srt-hellcats-and-hemis-set-to-die-in-2019
If this article is correct, then we could be witness to the extinction of the V8 in the next four years.
I don't care WHAT the raw performance numbers say, American Muscle = V8. PERIOD.
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YOu're not a purist V8 guy until you include BIG BLOCK in your post. :old:
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putting a twin turbo on a 4 cylinder engine is like putting a midget on steroids. It's still a midget. :bhead
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V8 should be banned they cause global warming :old:
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NASCAR races sounded funny when they used the V6.
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V8 should be banned they cause global warming :old:
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Good. its about time for american car makers to leave the 60:s and enter the modern world. Now we just wait for US heavy trucks to make it past the 70:s...
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Good. its about time for american car makers to leave the 60:s and enter the modern world. Now we just wait for US heavy trucks to make it past the 70:s...
And whats that supposed to mean??? My 1st truck I drove was a 1992 Freightliner FLD 120 on average with a 35,000 load I was averaging 5-6 MPG... The last truck I drove was a 2105 Volvo 770 series with an S12 automatic and I was averaging 12MPG with the same load... Also with the new emissions that are required on them the air coming out of the stack is cleaner than the air going in. The trucking industry has taking bigger steps on reducing the emissions coming out than the auto industry.
Example: I was stopped in the super coops, weigh staion, in NJ on I78. I was pulled around for an emissions test. The trooper put the sensors in both stacks to get a good reading and I was informed by him the air coming out was cleaner than the air going in.
So look before you leap.
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Comparing for ex a peterbilt w a swedish Volvo or scania reveals a slight difference in driver comfort among other things. U havent seen an unsynchonized gear box on a truck in Sweden for 30+ years...
edit: nowadays its very rare that anyone buys a manual gear box at all...
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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1099646_breaking-srt-hellcats-and-hemis-set-to-die-in-2019
If this article is correct, then we could be witness to the extinction of the V8 in the next four years.
I don't care WHAT the raw performance numbers say, American Muscle = V8. PERIOD.
Always has..........always will.
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The last truck I drove was a 2105 Volvo 770 series with an S12 automatic and I was averaging 12MPG with the same load...
wow thats remarkable, I got 8-10 mpg with my 73 'cuda lol (340 4-speed)
of course i had a lead foot.... :D
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Comparing for ex a peterbilt w a swedish Volvo or scania reveals a slight difference in driver comfort among other things. U havent seen an unsynchonized gear box on a truck in Sweden for 30+ years...
edit: nowadays its very rare that anyone buys a manual gear box at all...
Who cares about Sweden? We're talking about the dilution of the unique character of American-style automotive power.
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In this case we are talking about Canada.
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In this case we are talking about Canada.
In this case country of manufacture is irrelevant.
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In this case country of manufacture is irrelevant.
VIN numbers take precedence in this case. I work in the industry and it is not irrelevant. Times are changing and just because some online article makes the claim, does not mean that the decision has been finalized. Sales dictate everything.
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Just get out there and get some American V-8 while you still can!
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Just get out there and get some American V-8 while you still can!
It is not going anywhere to begin with.
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It is not going anywhere to begin with.
If it happens, I reserve the right to track you down and write "I Told You So" on your forehead.
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Gee sounds like the 70s all over again. That worked out so well.
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If it happens, I reserve the right to track you down and write "I Told You So" on your forehead.
I drive Lincoln's, as I prefer comfort these days. I drive my buddy's 914 at the track for fun. Blame the consumers who buy the anemic muscle cars or Dan, but not me. Just saying that sales dictate changes like this. Why would you tell that, if I both agree with and disagree with the article at the same time?
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Gee sounds like the 70s all over again. That worked out so well.
Exactly
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I'll get the power I want regardless of platform.
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edit: nowadays its very rare that anyone buys a manual gear box at all...
A manual gearbox is just about the only way to go with anything oilfield related.
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Wine and complain all you want,, just make sure your not in my way while your doing it!
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Seems they forgot to fill the methanol tank after all the dyno runs and the heads lifted off the C5R block.
I got there and found the head nuts loose right after they ran it 250mph.
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Who cares about Sweden? We're talking about the dilution of the unique character of American-style automotive power.
I agree
They were neutral in WWII so are poo
I put ethanol in my two stroke vespa and blew the oil seals :rofl
Anyone got s cushman?
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I love my 390CID push rod V8 gas guzzleing monster in my truck
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I'd love to hear the howls of rage and anguish from the big block crowd as the next Gen electric cars smoke them off the start.
Just can't beat electrics for low end torque.
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I'd love to hear the howls of rage and anguish from the big block crowd as the next Gen electric cars smoke them off the start.
Just can't beat electrics for low end torque.
I will be seriously impressed when I see a 9,000 HP electric motor scooting down the 1/4 mile in under 5 seconds!
I'm thinking the motor isn't the problem tho, it's still fuel that limits it! One tank of nitro still beats the alternative!
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I'd love to hear the howls of rage and anguish from the big block crowd as the next Gen electric cars smoke them off the start.
Just can't beat electrics for low end torque.
Next gen? I don't think so.
Come talk to me when a 700HP electric car can go 400 miles @ 75MPH, without stopping. Until then, I'll stick with my 700HP gasoline powered car.
I watched as a helpless driver of a Tesla pull his car over to the side of the road, as it was dieing because he got stuck in start/stop traffic. Told me everything I needed to know about electric cars being ready for the real world.
Don't get me wrong. One day they will practical, but it will not be the next gen cars. It is going to take a major change in the electric storage paradigm before they become practical.
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Next gen? I don't think so.
Come talk to me when a 700HP electric car can go 400 miles @ 75MPH, without stopping. Until then, I'll stick with my 700HP gasoline powered car.
I watched as a helpless driver of a Tesla pull his car over to the side of the road, as it was dieing because he got stuck in start/stop traffic. Told me everything I needed to know about electric cars being ready for the real world.
Don't get me wrong. One day they will practical, but it will not be the next gen cars. It is going to take a major change in the electric storage paradigm before they become practical.
Or we could just make more charging stations. Kinda like how we have gas stations every few miles.
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Or we could just make more charging stations. Kinda like how we have gas stations every few miles.
Do those charging stations recharge your car in 10 minutes or less, and cost around $40 per charge,, oh and that charge must last indefinitely, sitting in the garage, ( like gasoline or diesel)?
can it be done, and profitable, without government incentives?
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Do those charging stations recharge your car in 10 minutes or less, and cost around $40 per charge,, oh and that charge must last indefinitely, sitting in the garage, ( like gasoline or diesel)?
can it be done, and profitable, without government incentives?
30 mins is the number Tesla has stated, IIRC. And I would imagine it would be cheaper than hydrocarbons, since there are numerous ways to generate electrical power, almost all involving less work that extracting and refining petroleums.
And you can charge it in your garage, so no problem with the charge holding in your garage.
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Long term electric cars will be limited to a niche market. Edison knew even in his day the future of the battery development was limited. Batteries are the same thing that will limit robot development.
Another energy storage-delivery device is needed.
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30 mins is the number Tesla has stated, IIRC. And I would imagine it would be cheaper than hydrocarbons, since there are numerous ways to generate electrical power, almost all involving less work that extracting and refining petroleums.
And you can charge it in your garage, so no problem with the charge holding in your garage.
to compete with gas, I shouldn't need to charge in my garage, IE pay to maintain the charge! And 30 minutes is three times longer than a fill up with gas,, time is money!
But we haven't even begun to address the actual cost, in money and the environment an electric car represents, today most any economy class car is more viable financially and electric cars destroy so much more environment during the building, and the eventual destruction!
Of course I guess you could charge them with wind! Lol
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to compete with gas, I shouldn't need to charge in my garage, IE pay to maintain the charge! And 30 minutes is three times longer than a fill up with gas,, time is money!
But we haven't even begun to address the actual cost, in money and the environment an electric car represents, today most any economy class car is more viable financially and electric cars destroy so much more environment during the building, and the eventual destruction!
Of course I guess you could charge them with wind! Lol
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You don't have to, or you wouldn't have to if charging stations were as common as gas stations. But you could if long term storage were a concern (I'm unsure of any loss of charge over extended periods. But unless their lithium Ion banks are drastically different from any other forms of battery, you're good for a while. Not that letting a battery sit for months at a time is good for it, but it would still start.
And besides, I don't believe time should be money for moral reasons.
And there's hydroelectric, geothermal, direct solar, molten salt solar plants, wave-driven power generators are under development, and then there's always nuclear.
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Nuthin like hundreds of pounds of battery that takes least a half hour to charge. I can see a 10sec electric car weighing 8000 lbs. or more. Not gonna happen.
Anyone figured out what to do with the batteries when they are no longer useful? Probably have to be destroyed by using carbon based fuels lol.
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Or we could just make more charging stations. Kinda like how we have gas stations every few miles.
That does not work when you are traversing miles and miles of construction which will last for years. You have to be able to get off the road to get to a refueling station. There are 14 mile stretches I drive everyday, which have no exits and have been that way for over two years and will continue for another two years.
Like I said, I watched that poor guy beat his steering wheel silly being so frustrated he could not do anything but call a tow truck.
There needs to be a paradigm shift in storage technologies before pure electric cars are viable to replace the current gasoline based vehicles. Today's electric cars are novelties.
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That does not work when you are traversing miles and miles of construction which will last for years. You have to be able to get off the road to get to a refueling station. There are 14 mile stretches I drive everyday, which have no exits and have been that way for over two years and will continue for another two years.
Like I said, I watched that poor guy beat his steering wheel silly being so frustrated he could not do anything but call a tow truck.
There needs to be a paradigm shift in storage technologies before pure electric cars are viable to replace the current gasoline based vehicles. Today's electric cars are novelties.
A tesla model 3 has a range of 208-270miles. Unless you simply neglect to charge your car, you'll be fine, no different than if you simply neglect to fill up with gas.
Hell, our prius is a 1st Gen, and I can almost make it to work and back on battery alone. The only obstacle to a 14 mile drive is human stupidity.
They're only novelties if we decide the inconveniences aren't worth the benefits.
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The difference is, with a gasoline engine you can borrow a gallon of gas to make it to the next station.
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A tesla model 3 has a range of 208-270miles. Unless you simply neglect to charge your car, you'll be fine, no different than if you simply neglect to fill up with gas.
Hell, our prius is a 1st Gen, and I can almost make it to work and back on battery alone. The only obstacle to a 14 mile drive is human stupidity.
They're only novelties if we decide the inconveniences aren't worth the benefits.
My car goes over 500 miles between fill ups. Heck, my Cobra will go over 400 miles between fill ups as long as I keep my foot out of it. The range of an electric car can be measured in many ways. I know a Tesla owner who says some days he gets only 50 miles out of his charge, due to traffic patterns. Even he says they are only good as a secondary form of transportation.
If I get stuck in traffic and run out of gas, I can call any number of services to bring me a gallon of gas and be on the road in short order. The Tesla owner is going to be towed. No one does mobile charging around here.
You have not driven my commute. 15 miles. Average speed 10 to 12 MPH. I consider it a win if I get above 25MPH. Try that in your Prius and see how long you battery lasts. Driving conditions have a greater impact on pure electric cars (not talking hybrids) until there is a major change in the storage technology, they are not going to be practical for everyday use.
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A tesla model 3 has a range of 208-270miles. Unless you simply neglect to charge your car, you'll be fine, no different than if you simply neglect to fill up with gas.
Hell, our prius is a 1st Gen, and I can almost make it to work and back on battery alone. The only obstacle to a 14 mile drive is human stupidity.
They're only novelties if we decide the inconveniences aren't worth the benefits.
I believe that you are trying to compare a pure electric with a hybrid. Two different animals.
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Plug-in hybrids are great IMHO. Like the Volt. Environmentally they're not worth it (like all electric cars), but they're great for reducing local pollution in cities, moving it through the wires as it were, to the electric plants somewhere else. Electric vehicles might become environmentally sound if all major electric production and transport (ships) become environmentally friendly as well, but not before.
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Wonder what a Tesla is worth when the batteries have to be changed out? Wonder what it cost to change the batteries?
Battery cars will never be the main stay.
I suspect the future hybrids will feature energy recovery methods using air storage that use a single engine for both air and fuel. Still will suck but batteries will have to go sooner or latter.
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And there's hydroelectric, geothermal, direct solar, molten salt solar plants, wave-driven power generators are under development, and then there's always nuclear.
I came across http://www.fueleconomy.gov/.
Interesting site. Here is their info on Alternative Fuels in cars:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/current.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/atv.shtml
Where the Energy Goes: Gasoline Vehicles
"Only about 14%–30% of the energy from the fuel you put in a conventional vehicle is used to move it down the road, depending on the drive cycle."
They have a page on "Other Advanced Technologies"
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tech-other.shtml
and "Energy Efficient Technologies"
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tech_adv.shtml
I believe that you are trying to compare a pure electric with a hybrid. Two different animals.
If you want to compare apples to apples or apples to oranges, use this page that they developed:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbsSelect
Their current "Top Pick"
2015 BMW i3 BEV
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=36016
Anyway, there is a lot on the site, worth checking out.
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Just get out there and get some American V-8 while you still can!
I got mine! :banana: :aok :cheers:
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Fustang. :bhead
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Fustang. :bhead
the only thing that looks like a fusion is the upper grill opening and that opening shape is on almost every car Ford currently makes. With the lower grill and splitter it looks nothing like a fusion in person. Pictures really don't do these cars justice. The sharp lines throughout the body just look fantastic in person. You can't please everyone I guess. I am happy with my purchase. :aok
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Fustang. :bhead
Strongly disagree.
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I guess the time when ford owned aston martin had an influence on the shape of the more recent mustangs.
It's basic shape reminds me of a generations old Aston Martin V8 vantage.............which, of course, was influenced by late 60s mustangs...........which were influenced by the early 60s aston martins.
I think ford did right on the roofline and basic shape and hope they don't turn the front end into a lexus "electric razor" grille setup.
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Me in my SRT Skyline Drive. Note: no extension cord. And by the way can you say big block?
I prefer the sound of a HEMI rumbling, not the sound of a whirring electric razor thank you.
And by the way, thanks for plugging in! Saves more 93 octane for me...........and skip the ethanol please.
HAJO: DRIVING BIG BLOCKS SINCE 1965!
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The R/T I owned before my SRT
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I pick electric cars out of my grill. What fun they must be to drive har de har har :rofl
R/Ts engine bay.
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I guess the time when ford owned aston martin had an influence on the shape of the more recent mustangs.
It's basic shape reminds me of a generations old Aston Martin V8 vantage.............which, of course, was influenced by late 60s mustangs...........which were influenced by the early 60s aston martins.
I think ford did right on the roofline and basic shape and hope they don't turn the front end into a lexus "electric razor" grille setup.
Actually, the designer of the new Ford lineup was the lead designer at Aston Martin.
I think the new Mustang is the best looking Mustang Ford has ever produced. If it was not so big, I would have one in a heartbeat.
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Me in my SRT Skyline Drive. Note: no extension cord. And by the way can you say big block?
I prefer the sound of a HEMI rumbling, not the sound of a whirring electric razor thank you.
And by the way, thanks for plugging in! Saves more 93 octane for me...........and skip the ethanol please.
HAJO: DRIVING BIG BLOCKS SINCE 1965!
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/My%20SRT.jpg)
The R/T I owned before my SRT
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I pick electric cars out of my grill. What fun they must be to drive har de har har :rofl
By FAR the best-looking of the three pony cars. Hoping to upgrade to the Hemi, but seems I'm on a time-limit. :(
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Actually, the designer of the new Ford lineup was the lead designer at Aston Martin.
I think the new Mustang is the best looking Mustang Ford has ever produced. If it was not so big, I would have one in a heartbeat.
What blasphemy is this? Give me a First Gen in a heartbeat. You can keep your Eurostang.
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By FAR the best-looking of the three pony cars. Hoping to upgrade to the Hemi, but seems I'm on a time-limit. :(
Saxman do not despair! Word has it they are coming out with a factory 900HP version!
You will have plenty of time! 900HP for the street a bit much for me. Even the SXTs have 300HP V6s'.
The key is the look of the challenger, it's timeless. When you watch TV, which of the 3 (Camaro, Mustang and Challenger) do you see most?
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We've had the worst luck with Fords except for the truck line.
We traded our (then new) 1999 Ford Explorer in in 2005 for a new Mustang.
Both of these vehicles had major transmission repair bills awaiting them UNDER 120k miles and they were both automatics and both driven by my wife.
We went from Ford to Toyota and BMW and never looked back at another Ford again.
With that said, I've never had any issues with Ford Trucks I've owned over the years (1981, 1991, 1997) All were solid performers with no major issues however two of the three were manual trannys.
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Saxman do not despair! Word has it they are coming out with a factory 900HP version!
You will have plenty of time! 900HP for the street a bit much for me. Even the SXTs have 300HP V6s'.
The key is the look of the challenger, it's timeless. When you watch TV, which of the 3 (Camaro, Mustang and Challenger) do you see most?
I see whoever quoted the producers of said programs the most free autos to get their advertisement in. :aok
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I see whoever quoted the producers of said programs the most free autos to get their advertisement in. :aok
No Rip.....by consensus they are the best looking of the newer American muscle cars. Producers want eye candy.
Google the awards that the Challenger has won since its' inception in 2008. More then the Chevy or Ford.
That's a fact Jack! :aok
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I like the challenger and would have bought one if it weren't so damn heavy. Even my mustang is too heavy for my liking but it is lighter than those pigs. I can't wait to get out the local auto x next month.
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I like the challenger and would have bought one if it weren't so damn heavy. Even my mustang is too heavy for my liking but it is lighter than those pigs. I can't wait to get out the local auto x next month.
SilverZ06. In reality I like all cars. I had opportunity to purchase an 89 C4 that was stored in a heated garage during winters. Needed very little work. Exterior is
beautiful, interior was rough. I bought it because my brother liked GM. He is about to retire and he needed imho something like this to enjoy with my sister-in-law.
Only 84K miles, frame and exterior pristine....everything was but the leather which was easily refurbed, replaced injectors and rebuilt the flip up lights.
It's now a beautiful Vette. Refurbed the interior and it is now my brothers warm weather weekend cruiser. It's a 6 speed also. He insisted that he purchase the car from me
even though I gave it to him. Heck....he's my brother. He was very insistent.....I caved and sold it to him. He was bordering on being angry because I purchased it and
just gave it to him. I would rather he be happy of course.
My blood however runs MOPAR blue and always will.
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No Rip.....by consensus they are the best looking of the newer American muscle cars. Producers want eye candy.
Google the awards that the Challenger has won since its' inception in 2008. More then the Chevy or Ford.
That's a fact Jack! :aok
Camaro best selling-->http://www.torquenews.com/106/chevrolet-camaro-leads-17-bestselling-sports-cars-america
Ford Mustang wins this op piece--> http://www.autobytel.com/sports-cars/car-buying-guides/8-best-american-sports-cars-117084/
Even old muscle, Camaro still on top--> http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/top-ten-classic-muscle-car-list-released-total-car-score-article-1.1168762
Ford surpasses Camaro in July 2015--> http://www.ibtimes.com/why-ford-mustang-has-surpassed-chevrolet-camaro-great-american-muscle-car-sales-race-1992367
Funny, I don't see the facts and data you provided in your post? Oh wait! YOu didn't! You posted your opinion! ;)
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Camaro best selling-->http://www.torquenews.com/106/chevrolet-camaro-leads-17-bestselling-sports-cars-america
Ford Mustang wins this op piece--> http://www.autobytel.com/sports-cars/car-buying-guides/8-best-american-sports-cars-117084/
Even old muscle, Camaro still on top--> http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/top-ten-classic-muscle-car-list-released-total-car-score-article-1.1168762
Ford surpasses Camaro in July 2015--> http://www.ibtimes.com/why-ford-mustang-has-surpassed-chevrolet-camaro-great-american-muscle-car-sales-race-1992367
Funny, I don't see the facts and data you provided in your post? Oh wait! YOu didn't! You posted your opinion! ;)
Rip if you need me to post them I will. In 2010 I posted in here what it won already, including best of show muscle category LA Autoshow. (2008)
Also Ford and Chevy always win in sales, but their sales have dropped somewhat as the Challenger has bit into them in sales. They simply make more of them.
Challenger sales have gone up. And from 2008 and to 2010 Dodge didn't make more then 30K to 40K of them in a year. Figures for later years I don't have but I can get them.
Now there are waiting lists for the new Hellcat. I'll find and post. Certain models like SRTs are made in shorter number then the V6 Challengers and the 5.7 Hemis.
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This for 2015 for starters
http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=16683&mid=169
More:
I added this new award to the already impressive list of awards the Challenger has won since 2006:
Best of Show- 2006 Challenger Concept-North America International Auto Show (Detroit) Concept
Best of Show (2006)- LA Auto Show
Best Concept Car (2006)- Autoweek
People's Choice Award for 2006- NAIAS
2008 Collectible Car of the Future- Friends of the National Automotive History Collection (NAHC)
CNET Editor’s Choice- October 2008
Top Owner Satisfaction List for 2009- Annual Auto Survey
Consumer Reports 10 Best Looking Cars for 2009- Vehix.com
Most Appealing Mid-Size Sporty Car- J.D. Power & Associates 2009 APEAL Survey
Best of Class Ideal Vehicle for 2009, Sporty Car Category- Auto Pacific
The 25 Most Collectible Cars of the Last 25 Years (SRT8)- Consumer Guide Automotive Recommended Buy for 2009- Consumer Guides Automotive
Motor Trend Car of the Year (contender)-Motor Trend
5-Star Safety Rating (2009 Challenger)- NHTSA
Most Beautiful Cars 2010- Forbes
10 Cars that Will Look Good in 10 Years- U.S. News & World Report (March 2011)
Top Ten Most Fun to Drive Cars- Fast Car Lane (2011 Challenger SRT)
Best Mid-Size Sporty Car 2011- J.D. Power and Associates (Initial Quality)
America’s Best-Loved Cars- J.D. Power & Associates 2011 APEAL Survey-1st Place Midsize Sporty
2012 Shoppers Choice Award- cars.com “Best of 2012” NAIAS Event
Top 10 Cars to Drive to the Big Game- Roadfly TV
2011 Polk Automotive Award- Sports Car Category- Polk Loyalty Awards
Best Affordable Sports Cars 2012 (4 of 8)- U.S. News & World Report
MSN 2012 “Manly Machines.”
Auto Industry’s Greatest Hits (2013 Retro Cars)- bankrate.com
Fox News- Challenger SRT- One of the Five Best Remakes, Future Classic.
2013 Shopper's Choice Award- cars.com
Need more I'll post them. Challenger Sales are way up! This btw is only through 2013.
There ya go Rip! The facts that I told you about. Don't be so jealous ;)
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This for 2015 for starters
http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=16683&mid=169
More:
I added this new award to the already impressive list of awards the Challenger has won since 2006:
Best of Show- 2006 Challenger Concept-North America International Auto Show (Detroit) Concept
Best of Show (2006)- LA Auto Show
Best Concept Car (2006)- Autoweek
People's Choice Award for 2006- NAIAS
2008 Collectible Car of the Future- Friends of the National Automotive History Collection (NAHC)
CNET Editor’s Choice- October 2008
Top Owner Satisfaction List for 2009- Annual Auto Survey
Consumer Reports 10 Best Looking Cars for 2009- Vehix.com
Most Appealing Mid-Size Sporty Car- J.D. Power & Associates 2009 APEAL Survey
Best of Class Ideal Vehicle for 2009, Sporty Car Category- Auto Pacific
The 25 Most Collectible Cars of the Last 25 Years (SRT8)- Consumer Guide Automotive Recommended Buy for 2009- Consumer Guides Automotive
Motor Trend Car of the Year (contender)-Motor Trend
5-Star Safety Rating (2009 Challenger)- NHTSA
Most Beautiful Cars 2010- Forbes
10 Cars that Will Look Good in 10 Years- U.S. News & World Report (March 2011)
Top Ten Most Fun to Drive Cars- Fast Car Lane (2011 Challenger SRT)
Best Mid-Size Sporty Car 2011- J.D. Power and Associates (Initial Quality)
America’s Best-Loved Cars- J.D. Power & Associates 2011 APEAL Survey-1st Place Midsize Sporty
2012 Shoppers Choice Award- cars.com “Best of 2012” NAIAS Event
Top 10 Cars to Drive to the Big Game- Roadfly TV
2011 Polk Automotive Award- Sports Car Category- Polk Loyalty Awards
Best Affordable Sports Cars 2012 (4 of 8)- U.S. News & World Report
MSN 2012 “Manly Machines.”
Auto Industry’s Greatest Hits (2013 Retro Cars)- bankrate.com
Fox News- Challenger SRT- One of the Five Best Remakes, Future Classic.
2013 Shopper's Choice Award- cars.com
Need more I'll post them. Challenger Sales are way up!
There ya go Rip! The facts that I told you about. Don't be so jealous ;)
The Mustang has won more since the 2005 rebirth. Including more relevant ones, especially at SEMA. Also, some of these are "Top 5's/10's", that the Camaro and Mustang were also participants. SEMA is the deep end of the pool in the Automotive Industry.
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The Mustang has won more since the 2005 rebirth. Including more relevant ones, especially at SEMA. Also, some of these are "Top 5's/10's", that the Camaro and Mustang were also participants. SEMA is the deep end of the pool in the Automotive Industry.
Ford and Chevy pump out a lot more cars then Dodge. They can because they are simply larger.
They have been on no list I've seen as best looking or future collectible. See the titles on my post that suggested challenger is a collectible down the road.
The modern Mustang nor Camaro made the lists. By consensus it is the best looking of the three. And Jay if ya want more I can post them.
I've been stopped many times for pictures. Been on You Tube with my car. A couple in the park yesterday asked me to stop so they could take photos.
I get comments while driving at redlights, crowds when I get fuel, I've won trophies with it at shows and cruises slotted against the Mustang and Camaro in modern muscle category.
So it's not my opinion entirely. It's much wider then that. It's the general publics. They are all nice though. Glad they brought the Mustang back so I could
purchase my Challenger.....and I got room in the trunk to put a ham sammich! And fit four comfortably which the Camaro and Mustang can not do.
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Challenger looks cool. But a Camaro or Mustang would slaughter it on the road.
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Challenger looks cool. But a Camaro or Mustang would slaughter it on the road.
Correct! Challenger is just a pretty face. The mustang and camaro will destroy the challenger around a track.
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Ford and Chevy pump out a lot more cars then Dodge. They can because they are simply larger.
They have been on no list I've seen as best looking or future collectible. See the titles on my post that suggested challenger is a collectible down the road.
The modern Mustang nor Camaro made the lists. By consensus it is the best looking of the three. And Jay if ya want more I can post them.
I've been stopped many times for pictures. Been on You Tube with my car. A couple in the park yesterday asked me to stop so they could take photos.
I get comments while driving at redlights, crowds when I get fuel, I've won trophies with it at shows and cruises slotted against the Mustang and Camaro in modern muscle category.
So it's not my opinion entirely. It's much wider then that. It's the general publics. They are all nice though. Glad they brought the Mustang back so I could
purchase my Challenger.....and I got room in the trunk to put a ham sammich! And fit four comfortably which the Camaro and Mustang can not do.
Compare Apples to Apples. The SRT8 is not comparable to collectibility as a GT. So to do this properly, the GT500 is as collectible as an SRT8 and a Spring Edition Camaro. An R/T Challenger is not as collectible as a Mustang GT. Nor should the GT or R/T have that consideration. This is something that everyone should agree on.
All three of them are a dime a dozen up here and again, the NAIAS stuff applies to all three pony cars, in any given year. Sorry man, I go to them and the Stingray was the talk of the town two years ago, just as the Ford GT was this year.
You are not being completely objective in your discussion here. I have driven all three and we all like things for a different reason, but to counter with "Ford and Chevy produce more". Again, sorry. You listed the nominations and both the Camaro and Mustang have just as many and then some. Again, in the Automobile industry, SEMA is where it is at. But to say the Challenger's trophy case is larger than the other two, is a very large reach.
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Compare Apples to Apples. The SRT8 is not comparable to collectibility as a GT. So to do this properly, the GT500 is as collectible as an SRT8 and a Spring Edition Camaro. An R/T Challenger is not as collectible as a Mustang GT. Nor should the GT or R/T have that consideration. This is something that everyone should agree on.
All three of them are a dime a dozen up here and again, the NAIAS stuff applies to all three pony cars, in any given year. Sorry man, I go to them and the Stingray was the talk of the town two years ago, just as the Ford GT was this year.
You are not being completely objective in your discussion here. I have driven all three and we all like things for a different reason, but to counter with "Ford and Chevy produce more". Again, sorry. You listed the nominations and both the Camaro and Mustang have just as many and then some. Again, in the Automobile industry, SEMA is where it is at. But to say the Challenger's trophy case is larger than the other two, is a very large reach.
Again: fact in 2014 the Challenger won the TA2 series Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers. Cars limited to 500HP no more.
Pretty good for a larger heavier car that can't turn eh?
http://autoweek.com/article/racing/cameron-lawrence-gives-dodge-first-trans-am-series-championship
I've been stating facts after someone challenged me on only speaking on opinion. And not in a civil manner. I've posted facts validating my statements that were considered opinion.
I've backed them up. Slaughtered on the road? LOL give me a break the Challenger finished 1st in the TA/2 series..TA series being Vettes,
Vipers etc.
I am done. My word appears not good enough to be trusted. Before this turns into a peeing match I'm done gents.
As Jack Webb would say.......oh...you guys weren't around then. "Just the facts M'am just the facts."
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When I look at the 3, Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger, I personally like the Challenger the most. I also think the Challenger looks the most like the original. I think the Mustang is butt-ugly, horrible, pretentious and the least like the original which was a beautiful car. The Mustang reminds me of the horror they call the Dodge Charger which isn't even available as a 2 door, what a waste of a great name that is. So that puts the Camaro in the middle. All 3 of them are fine performance cars and although interesting I don't really care because I'm not going to be using it at the track.
Personally I like the Challenger so much more than the others that I would not consider anything but it from these 3 choices.
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I have no pony in this race..... ;)
Yet the Challenger is the best looking muscle car ever made..... bar none....
FACT
why
because I friggen said so!
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Actually, the designer of the new Ford lineup was the lead designer at Aston Martin.
I think the new Mustang is the best looking Mustang Ford has ever produced. If it was not so big, I would have one in a heartbeat.
That makes total sense.
Ford made a good decision because it's basic shape is sweet and shows through regardless of whether bottom line economy model or king of the hill version.
As far as speeds.........we have taken nearly equal horsepower mustang, camaro, and challenger and run the mile at kennedy space center.
The challenger clearly has some sort of aero advantage over the other two which becomes more pronounced as the speeds climb.
The camaro actually lost parts of it's grille over 170mph.
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More headscratchers from Chrysler, meet the Barracuda concept:
(https://s.yimg.com/os/en-US/cms/autos/Boldride/dodge-barracuda-return.jpg)
(https://s.yimg.com/os/en-US/cms/autos/Boldride/dodge-barracuda-return2.jpg)
WTF, Dodge? Seriously. W.T.F?
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More headscratchers from Chrysler, meet the Barracuda concept:
(https://s.yimg.com/os/en-US/cms/autos/Boldride/dodge-barracuda-return.jpg)
(https://s.yimg.com/os/en-US/cms/autos/Boldride/dodge-barracuda-return2.jpg)
WTF, Dodge? Seriously. W.T.F?
:eek: :eek: :eek: :frown: :cry
looks like the charger...fugen ugly
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:eek: :eek: :eek: :frown: :cry
looks like the charger...fugen ugly
Its not bad. Just rather plain for a performance car.
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Its not bad. Just rather plain for a performance car.
:rofl Please pass what you are smoking.
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:rofl Please pass what you are smoking.
Just my usual camels.
Looking at a side profile, nothing outstanding, nothing horrible. Front needs to either taper back more, or get blockier for the aggressive look they're clearly trying for.
Should probably continue out the curve starting at the front door panel extending over the rear fenders, rather than having it flatten out. Or add a low profile spoiler.
Front grill and lights is atrocious, but the only thing that could be called ugly in an sense of the word.
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Just my usual camels.
Looking at a side profile, nothing outstanding, nothing horrible. Front needs to either taper back more, or get blockier for the aggressive look they're clearly trying for.
Should probably continue out the curve starting at the front door panel extending over the rear fenders, rather than having it flatten out. Or add a low profile spoiler.
Front grill and lights is atrocious, but the only thing that could be called ugly in an sense of the word.
you will not find a bigger MOPAR fan then I...period.
that car is absolutely ugly...... and to put the name of Cuda/Barracuda on it.... is a disgrace to the original...
same as the horrid charger. :aok
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you will not find a bigger MOPAR fan then I...period.
that car is absolutely ugly...... and to put the name of Cuda/Barracuda on it.... is a disgrace to the original...
same as the horrid charger. :aok
With you on that 100%. The original Charger/Road Runner, Challenger/Cuda cars were a few of the best looking and baddest on the road in the late 60's, early 70's.
What Chrysler has done to the Charger should be a crime. If they do that 'Cuda',...I think it would time to get a rope!!
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Just because it doesn't look like old school MOPAR doesn't mean it looks ugly, you dummies. It means it looks different, and probably that your age is showing.
I guarantee that (assuming they last long enough) millenials will lament the awful look of sportscars in about 30 years, will be pining for the "golden age" of the 2000's and 2010's.
And my grandkids will no doubt think of your vaunted hemis the same way I look at a model T. They'll probably think it performs about as well, too.
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Just because it doesn't look like old school MOPAR doesn't mean it looks ugly, you dummies. It means it looks different, and probably that your age is showing.
I guarantee that (assuming they last long enough) millenials will lament the awful look of sportscars in about 30 years, will be pining for the "golden age" of the 2000's and 2010's.
And my grandkids will no doubt think of your vaunted hemis the same way I look at a model T. They'll probably think it performs about as well, too.
Uh, no. Age has nothing to do with this, other than the older folks get the chance to own one of those really good looking versions of the name sakes.
Look, they paid proper homage to the original Challenger. Go look at a 69 Charger. Do you really think the new Charger looks better than a Charger could have looked if they drew from the 69 model? Use your imagination. Chrysler dropped the ball in a big way.
There are cars which transcend all ages. They are called classics. When a company pays proper homage to those cars, it is magic. Yes, us old folks have a memory of those old cars and all of us would like to see proper homage paid to them.
Regardless of the names used, the new Charger and this new propose Cuda are both butt ugly cars, as far as I am concerned. They are boring to look at. The lines and proportions wreak of something my Grandmother would use to go get the groceries, at night, so she would not be seen in it.
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Uh, no. Age has nothing to do with this, other than the older folks get the chance to own one of those really good looking versions of the name sakes.
Look, they paid proper homage to the original Challenger. Go look at a 69 Charger. Do you really think the new Charger looks better than a Charger could have looked if they drew from the 69 model? Use your imagination. Chrysler dropped the ball in a big way.
There are cars which transcend all ages. They are called classics. When a company pays proper homage to those cars, it is magic. Yes, us old folks have a memory of those old cars and all of us would like to see proper homage paid to them.
Regardless of the names used, the new Charger and this new propose Cuda are both butt ugly cars, as far as I am concerned. They are boring to look at. The lines and proportions wreak of something my Grandmother would use to go get the groceries, at night, so she would not be seen in it.
Skuzzy consider the source. This is the same one who stated the Challenger would get slaughtered on the track after the Challenger won the T/A series.
We are older yes, but we have skads more experience and knowledge of these autos then the Tweeting, Texting, cell phone is life generation.
That in no way will ever be a Barracuda. Can't be, it looks lousy. Dodge never did make a Barracuda did they? I guess they are into cramming the European look onto American cars.
Won't work while I am here.
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That is one of the odd things. The Barracuda was the Plymouth version of the Challenger, but if you go back before there was a Challenger, you will find a very distinctive car in the Cuda and they could tear up a track.
The evolution of the Dodge/Plymouth line was interesting. If you look at the 67/68/69 Cuda, you can see a lot of Charger in that design. The in 70 it got merged into the Challenger line, but the front end still appears to ave come from the earlier Cuda's.
It was fun to watch that, unless they pulled up beside you at the line. All of them were scary fast and always made me shift a tick quicker, float the front end a little higher, and sweat a little bit more.
You always respected Mopar at the line.
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Uh, no. Age has nothing to do with this, other than the older folks get the chance to own one of those really good looking versions of the name sakes.
Look, they paid proper homage to the original Challenger. Go look at a 69 Charger. Do you really think the new Charger looks better than a Charger could have looked if they drew from the 69 model? Use your imagination. Chrysler dropped the ball in a big way.
There are cars which transcend all ages. They are called classics. When a company pays proper homage to those cars, it is magic. Yes, us old folks have a memory of those old cars and all of us would like to see proper homage paid to them.
Regardless of the names used, the new Charger and this new propose Cuda are both butt ugly cars, as far as I am concerned. They are boring to look at. The lines and proportions wreak of something my Grandmother would use to go get the groceries, at night, so she would not be seen in it.
cant really add to this.... :aok
That is one of the odd things. The Barracuda was the Plymouth version of the Challenger, but if you go back before there was a Challenger, you will find a very distinctive car in the Cuda and they could tear up a track.
The evolution of the Dodge/Plymouth line was interesting. If you look at the 67/68/69 Cuda, you can see a lot of Charger in that design. The in 70 it got merged into the Challenger line, but the front end still appears to ave come from the earlier Cuda's.
It was fun to watch that, unless they pulled up beside you at the line. All of them were scary fast and always made me shift a tick quicker, float the front end a little higher, and sweat a little bit more.
You always respected Mopar at the line.
you have it mixed up First was the Barracuda...then the Cuda'
AAR Cuda and The TA Challenger the first year was 70...for the Trans Am racing circuit (which I am sure you know)
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Okay ink, I was just using a short cut name. Barracuda, Cuda,...potato, potato.... :)
Yes, I was not being as technically accurate as I should have been. My bad.
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Just because it doesn't look like old school MOPAR doesn't mean it looks ugly, you dummies.
I'm not a dummy because I think it is Ugly. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder". It means that one man's opinion on beauty has no more value or no less value than another's. It is horribly ugly. I do not like the new Chargers either but even they, in my opinion are not quite as ugly. Part of the reason, in my opinion, that they are both ugly is because a 4 door is harder to make pleasing to me.
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Okay ink, I was just using a short cut name. Barracuda, Cuda,...potato, potato.... :)
Yes, I was not being as technically accurate as I should have been. My bad.
no biggie...
(I wasn't being obtuse :()
you would have liked a buddy of mines 69 Barracuda...had a 340 that he swore could tack 8k all day long....
having owned the 340 I wouldn't doubt it.
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The 340 was a sweet motor. I had a chance to buy a 69 Challenger with a 340 and 4 speed. I really wanted that car, but settled for the 69 Road Runner with a 383 and 4 speed. Well,..settled is not quite the right word. :)
The 340 set standards which are still in use today. It taught Ford and GM a lot about high performance small blocks. If I recall correctly, from 68 to 71 it came from the factory with a forged steel crankshaft and forged and shot peen rods as well.
The 70 and 71 blocks were altered to increase the crankshaft WEB strength and could be drilled and tapped for 4 bolt mains. Again, I am working from memory here, so call me on it if I am wrong.
Back in 69 I had three hot rods. Two Fords and one Plymouth. All of them were fast, but I liked the Road Runner best simply due to the sound (and it did not hurt it was also the quickest). Sweetest sounding engines were all made by Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth, back in the day.
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The 340 was a sweet motor. I had a chance to buy a 69 Challenger with a 340 and 4 speed. I really wanted that car, but settled for the 69 Road Runner with a 383 and 4 speed. Well,..settled is not quite the right word. :)
The 340 set standards which are still in use today. It taught Ford and GM a lot about high performance small blocks.
Back in 69 I had three hot rods. Two Fords and one Plymouth. All of them were fast, but I liked the Road Runner best simply due to the sound (and it did not hurt it was also the quickest). Sweetest sounding engines were all made by Chrysler/Dodge/Plymouth, back in the day.
I assume you meant 70...but ya man....that's a hard choice...
I would have took the Challenger...the Road runner's were awesome....but I just Love the look and lines of the challenger...
the old man had a 69 Charger with the 383....he said it was by far the fastest car he ever had...I took out a RR with the 383...and damn that thing was nice...but when I took it back and got in my Challenger...ya baby thats the baddest of the bad :D
damn I miss that car :(
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I assume you meant 70...but ya man....that's a hard choice...
I would have took the Challenger...the Road runner's were awesome....but I just Love the look and lines of the challenger...
the old man had a 69 Charger with the 383....he said it was by far the fastest car he ever had...I took out a RR with the 383...and damn that thing was nice...but when I took it back and got in my Challenger...ya baby thats the baddest of the bad :D
damn I miss that car :(
You are right. It was in 69, but a 70 model year car.
I loved the Challenger. My Dad was opposed to ti though. He thought I might end up killing myself in it.
You have to remember, I was still in high school when I had these three hot rods. So, I got a nice family car. The Road Runner. :D
Of course, after I got through, it had three deuces, headers, mallory ignition, forged TRW pistons, and a nice Crane cam in it, just to name a few of the changes. It was a nice high 10 second car when I was done. :)
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You are right. It was in 69, but a 70 model year car.
I loved the Challenger. My Dad was opposed to ti though. He thought I might end up killing myself in it.
You have to remember, I was still in high school when I had these three hot rods. So, I got a nice family car. The Road Runner. :D
Of course, after I got through, it had three deuces, headers, mallory ignition, forged TRW pistons, and a nice Crane cam in it, just to name a few of the changes. It was a nice high 10 second car when I was done. :)
:rofl
dads...what the hell do they know....
The day I brought mine home...can you believe I paid 2000$ :O (actually thats a lie...the wife bought it for me :o)
wish I knew what I had back then...although it was not a numbers matching car...it was a 73 body with a 72 340....the last year of the High performance 340's...tough motor :aok
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/MOPAR/Zona1.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/MOPAR/Zona1.jpg.html)
took it to Chrysler's at Carlyle :rock one of the best weekends of my life
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/MOPAR/zona_inbackground.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/MOPAR/zona_inbackground.jpg.html)
what movie?
(http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w246/fieldsofink/MOPAR/112_0804_39z2008_dodge_challenger_srt8vanishing_point_challenger.jpg) (http://s178.photobucket.com/user/fieldsofink/media/MOPAR/112_0804_39z2008_dodge_challenger_srt8vanishing_point_challenger.jpg.html)
I know you know it.... :P
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Those are some fine looking cars ink.
I got my Road Runner for $800.00 used, in late 70. Had a little rust around the rear window (not uncommon in South Texas). Took it to the body shop at school and got the body restored with new paint for $150.00 as a class project.
Actually, my Dad knew a lot. Him and his 54 Ford flat head had a nice trophy wall in the house. I learned a lot from him. He never got in the way of me wanting to mod any of my cars as long as I kept them all running.
There were two cars he said "No" to. A 66 Mustang GT (had too many miles for his tastes) and the Challenger (he really felt I would kill myself in that car,..knowing I would not leave it stock).
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I got my Road Runner for $800.00 used, in late 70. Had a little rust around the rear window (not uncommon in South Texas). Took it to the body shop at school and got the body restored with new paint for $150.00 as a class project.
Actually, my Dad knew a lot. Him and his 54 Ford flat head had a nice trophy wall in the house. I learned a lot from him. He never got in the way of me wanting to mod any of my cars as long as I kept them all running.
There were two cars he said "No" to. A 66 Mustang GT (had too many miles for his tastes) and the Challenger (he really felt I would kill myself in that car,..knowing I would not leave it stock).
ya dads seem to get much smarter the older we get. :aok
I was 1 when you got it :rofl :rofl
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Vanishing Point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Vanishing Point !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:rock
you know they made a remake with Viggo Mortison?
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By the way Gents Dodge can not call the car "Cuda." Dan Gurney owns the name Cuda. It will have to be called Barracuda if anything.
Again the cliché beauty is in the eye of the beholder rings true. If Kampfer likes the new proposed barracuda that's great!
This is a Cuda to us old fartz that owned and drove them.
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/1973-plymouth-barracuda_100518498_l.jpg)
With apologies to Stampf beforehand this is a REAL Charger that he owned and modded. I hope he approves.
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/stampf2.jpg)
This is what we older gents recognize as Cudas and Chargers for many many years.
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Just because it doesn't look like old school MOPAR doesn't mean it looks ugly, you dummies. It means it looks different, and probably that your age is showing.
I guarantee that (assuming they last long enough) millenials will lament the awful look of sportscars in about 30 years, will be pining for the "golden age" of the 2000's and 2010's.
And my grandkids will no doubt think of your vaunted hemis the same way I look at a model T. They'll probably think it performs about as well, too.
Name calling over a rebadged 94 Chrysler Concorde?
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Here is a "speed racer" screen grab (1965) which clearly shows that their artists came up with the new challenger first.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8147758542_1631cbfa7f_b.jpg)
Pictured below is what I drove in high school though mine had the SS appearance package.
I pulled the original LS1 and installed a L88 that had been built for 750hp but changed the pistons and had a cam grinder reduce lift and duration slightly.
Cam was so "big" he was also able to change lobe centers to get me a decent idle without losing too much top end.
With a holley 950 three barrel, it would pull to 7000.......with a modified quadrajet, it pulled to 7250 in top gear with 3.07 gears and 255/60 "blue streak specials".
Fast enough to win every mile race I was in.
The quadrajet could actually flow over 1000cfm but I limited the air door on the secondaries so it would get a better "signal" in order to get more consistent mixture ratio.
It probably flowed around 830cfm with the snappy response of the tiny primaries.
The guy who built the L88 was a neighbor who had died at riverside in a Porsche when his thinwall roll cage collapsed.
I bought it more or less complete from his widow for 500 bucks.
I had the rear wheels widened later on to 10 inches which they did by welding a band in the center after lathing off the lips.
There was a picture of it in the Miami herald with a kid in a canoe paddling past it after hurricane david........which is how I snagged it for 400 bucks.
It had a water line on the rear view mirror and even the 4 speaker factory stereo still worked after I dried it out.
When I was fixing it up, I found some papers woven into the seat springs that showed it had been through the assembly line for impala SS appearance package, F41 suspension and other goodies and the previous owner still had the window sticker which read around $4800 bucks.........which was very expensive for November 1968 sales.
I tracked down the original owner and he was Mr Luby of Luby Chevrolet who had it specially built as his demo and he drove it for a couple of years.
Possibly the only "SS427 caprice" ever made.
Wish I still had it.
I still do mile racing and the irony is that it's only a couple of miles from where I used to mile race on the street in high school.
(http://www.scottlewisonline.com/images/69_caprice_427_num_matching_blue_1.jpg)
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By the way Gents Dodge can not call the car "Cuda." Dan Gurney owns the name Cuda. It will have to be called Barracuda if anything.
Again the cliché beauty is in the eye of the beholder rings true. If Kampfer likes the new proposed barracuda that's great!
This is a Cuda to us old fartz that owned and drove them.
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/1973-plymouth-barracuda_100518498_l.jpg)
With apologies to Stampf beforehand this is a REAL Charger that he owned and modded. I hope he approves.
(http://i695.photobucket.com/albums/vv313/Hajo_01/stampf2.jpg)
This is what we older gents recognize as Cudas and Chargers for many many years.
here here :rock :rock :rock :rock
and I didnt know that about Dan Gurney....maybe he sold them back the name :headscratch:
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Here is a "speed racer" screen grab (1965) which clearly shows that their artists came up with the new challenger first.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8195/8147758542_1631cbfa7f_b.jpg)
Pictured below is what I drove in high school though mine had the SS appearance package.
I pulled the original LS1 and installed a L88 that had been built for 750hp but changed the pistons and had a cam grinder reduce lift and duration slightly.
Cam was so "big" he was also able to change lobe centers to get me a decent idle without losing too much top end.
With a holley 950 three barrel, it would pull to 7000.......with a modified quadrajet, it pulled to 7250 in top gear with 3.07 gears and 255/60 "blue streak specials".
Fast enough to win every mile race I was in.
The quadrajet could actually flow over 1000cfm but I limited the air door on the secondaries so it would get a better "signal" in order to get more consistent mixture ratio.
It probably flowed around 830cfm with the snappy response of the tiny primaries.
The guy who built the L88 was a neighbor who had died at riverside in a Porsche when his thinwall roll cage collapsed.
I bought it more or less complete from his widow for 500 bucks.
I had the rear wheels widened later on to 10 inches which they did by welding a band in the center after lathing off the lips.
There was a picture of it in the Miami herald with a kid in a canoe paddling past it after hurricane david........which is how I snagged it for 400 bucks.
It had a water line on the rear view mirror and even the 4 speaker factory stereo still worked after I dried it out.
When I was fixing it up, I found some papers woven into the seat springs that showed it had been through the assembly line for impala SS appearance package, F41 suspension and other goodies and the previous owner still had the window sticker which read around $4800 bucks.........which was very expensive for November 1968 sales.
I tracked down the original owner and he was Mr Luby of Luby Chevrolet who had it specially built as his demo and he drove it for a couple of years.
Possibly the only "SS427 caprice" ever made.
Wish I still had it.
I still do mile racing and the irony is that it's only a couple of miles from where I used to mile race on the street in high school.
(http://www.scottlewisonline.com/images/69_caprice_427_num_matching_blue_1.jpg)
that a pretty caprice !
My mom drove a 454 caprice for a while, my dad would pull up in his 72 Chevy 454 pickup and they would race home the three miles to our dirt road! Those were the good old days!
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V8 should be banned they cause global warming :old:
What caused the last global warming? You know... back before engines and the industrial age.
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See Rule #6