Bad News Car Enthusiasts

[Ripsnort]

No Rip.....by consensus they are the best looking of the newer American muscle cars.  Producers want eye candy.

Google the awards that the Challenger has won since its' inception in 2008.  More then the Chevy or Ford.

That's a fact Jack! 

Camaro best selling-->http://www.torquenews.com/106/chevrolet-camaro-leads-17-bestselling-sports-cars-america
Ford Mustang wins this op piece--> http://www.autobytel.com/sports-cars/car-buying-guides/8-best-american-sports-cars-117084/

Even old muscle, Camaro still on top--> http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/top-ten-classic-muscle-car-list-released-total-car-score-article-1.1168762

Ford surpasses Camaro in July 2015--> http://www.ibtimes.com/why-ford-mustang-has-surpassed-chevrolet-camaro-great-american-muscle-car-sales-race-1992367

Funny, I don't see the facts and data you provided in your post? Oh wait! YOu didn't! You posted your opinion!

[Hajo]

Camaro best selling-->http://www.torquenews.com/106/chevrolet-camaro-leads-17-bestselling-sports-cars-america
Ford Mustang wins this op piece--> http://www.autobytel.com/sports-cars/car-buying-guides/8-best-american-sports-cars-117084/

Even old muscle, Camaro still on top--> http://www.nydailynews.com/autos/top-ten-classic-muscle-car-list-released-total-car-score-article-1.1168762

Ford surpasses Camaro in July 2015--> http://www.ibtimes.com/why-ford-mustang-has-surpassed-chevrolet-camaro-great-american-muscle-car-sales-race-1992367

Funny, I don't see the facts and data you provided in your post? Oh wait! YOu didn't! You posted your opinion!

Rip if you need me to post them I will.  In 2010 I posted in here what it won already, including best of show muscle category LA Autoshow. (2008)

Also Ford and Chevy always win in sales, but their sales have dropped somewhat as the Challenger has bit into them in sales.  They simply make more of them.

Challenger sales have gone up.  And from 2008 and to 2010 Dodge didn't make more then 30K to 40K of them in a year. Figures for later years I don't have but I can get them.

Now there are waiting lists for the new Hellcat.  I'll find and post. Certain models like SRTs are made in shorter number then the V6 Challengers and the 5.7 Hemis.

[Hajo]

This for 2015 for starters

http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=16683&mid=169

More:

I added this new award to the already impressive list of awards the Challenger has won since 2006:

 Best of Show- 2006 Challenger Concept-North America International Auto Show (Detroit) Concept
 Best of Show (2006)- LA Auto Show
 Best Concept Car (2006)- Autoweek
 People's Choice Award for 2006- NAIAS
 2008 Collectible Car of the Future- Friends of the National Automotive History Collection (NAHC)
 CNET Editor’s Choice- October 2008
 Top Owner Satisfaction List for 2009- Annual Auto Survey
 Consumer Reports 10 Best Looking Cars for 2009- Vehix.com
 Most Appealing Mid-Size Sporty Car- J.D. Power & Associates 2009 APEAL Survey
 Best of Class Ideal Vehicle for 2009, Sporty Car Category- Auto Pacific
 The 25 Most Collectible Cars of the Last 25 Years (SRT8)- Consumer Guide Automotive Recommended Buy for 2009- Consumer Guides Automotive
 Motor Trend Car of the Year (contender)-Motor Trend
 5-Star Safety Rating (2009 Challenger)- NHTSA
 Most Beautiful Cars 2010- Forbes
 10 Cars that Will Look Good in 10 Years- U.S. News & World Report (March 2011)
 Top Ten Most Fun to Drive Cars- Fast Car Lane (2011 Challenger SRT)
 Best Mid-Size Sporty Car 2011- J.D. Power and Associates (Initial Quality)
 America’s Best-Loved Cars- J.D. Power & Associates 2011 APEAL Survey-1st Place Midsize Sporty
 2012 Shoppers Choice Award- cars.com “Best of 2012” NAIAS Event
 Top 10 Cars to Drive to the Big Game- Roadfly TV
 2011 Polk Automotive Award- Sports Car Category- Polk Loyalty Awards
 Best Affordable Sports Cars 2012 (4 of 8)- U.S. News & World Report
 MSN 2012 “Manly Machines.”
Auto Industry’s Greatest Hits (2013 Retro Cars)- bankrate.com
 Fox News- Challenger SRT- One of the Five Best Remakes, Future Classic.
 2013 Shopper's Choice Award- cars.com

Need more I'll post them.  Challenger Sales are way up!  This btw is only through 2013.

There ya go Rip!  The facts that I told you about.  Don't be so jealous 

[Masherbrum]

This for 2015 for starters

http://www.media.chrysler.com/newsrelease.do?id=16683&mid=169

More:

I added this new award to the already impressive list of awards the Challenger has won since 2006:

 Best of Show- 2006 Challenger Concept-North America International Auto Show (Detroit) Concept
 Best of Show (2006)- LA Auto Show
 Best Concept Car (2006)- Autoweek
 People's Choice Award for 2006- NAIAS
 2008 Collectible Car of the Future- Friends of the National Automotive History Collection (NAHC)
 CNET Editor’s Choice- October 2008
 Top Owner Satisfaction List for 2009- Annual Auto Survey
 Consumer Reports 10 Best Looking Cars for 2009- Vehix.com
 Most Appealing Mid-Size Sporty Car- J.D. Power & Associates 2009 APEAL Survey
 Best of Class Ideal Vehicle for 2009, Sporty Car Category- Auto Pacific
 The 25 Most Collectible Cars of the Last 25 Years (SRT8)- Consumer Guide Automotive Recommended Buy for 2009- Consumer Guides Automotive
 Motor Trend Car of the Year (contender)-Motor Trend
 5-Star Safety Rating (2009 Challenger)- NHTSA
 Most Beautiful Cars 2010- Forbes
 10 Cars that Will Look Good in 10 Years- U.S. News & World Report (March 2011)
 Top Ten Most Fun to Drive Cars- Fast Car Lane (2011 Challenger SRT)
 Best Mid-Size Sporty Car 2011- J.D. Power and Associates (Initial Quality)
 America’s Best-Loved Cars- J.D. Power & Associates 2011 APEAL Survey-1st Place Midsize Sporty
 2012 Shoppers Choice Award- cars.com “Best of 2012” NAIAS Event
 Top 10 Cars to Drive to the Big Game- Roadfly TV
 2011 Polk Automotive Award- Sports Car Category- Polk Loyalty Awards
 Best Affordable Sports Cars 2012 (4 of 8)- U.S. News & World Report
 MSN 2012 “Manly Machines.”
Auto Industry’s Greatest Hits (2013 Retro Cars)- bankrate.com
 Fox News- Challenger SRT- One of the Five Best Remakes, Future Classic.
 2013 Shopper's Choice Award- cars.com

Need more I'll post them.  Challenger Sales are way up!

There ya go Rip!  The facts that I told you about.  Don't be so jealous 

The Mustang has won more since the 2005 rebirth.   Including more relevant ones, especially at SEMA.   Also, some of these are "Top 5's/10's", that the Camaro and Mustang were also participants.   SEMA is the deep end of the pool in the Automotive Industry.     

[Hajo]

The Mustang has won more since the 2005 rebirth.   Including more relevant ones, especially at SEMA.   Also, some of these are "Top 5's/10's", that the Camaro and Mustang were also participants.   SEMA is the deep end of the pool in the Automotive Industry.   

Ford and Chevy pump out a lot more cars then Dodge.  They can because they are simply larger.

They have been on no list I've seen as best looking or future collectible.  See the titles on my post that suggested challenger is a collectible down the road.

The modern Mustang nor Camaro made the lists.  By consensus it is the best looking of the three.  And Jay if ya want more I can post them.
I've been stopped many times for pictures.  Been on You Tube with my car.  A couple in the park yesterday asked me to stop so they could take photos.
I get comments while driving at redlights, crowds when I get fuel, I've won trophies with it at shows and cruises slotted against the Mustang and Camaro in modern muscle category.
So it's not my opinion entirely.  It's much wider then that.  It's the general publics.  They are all nice though.  Glad they brought the Mustang back so I could
purchase my Challenger.....and I got room in the trunk to put a ham sammich!  And fit four comfortably which the Camaro and Mustang can not do.

[FBKampfer]

Challenger looks cool. But a Camaro or Mustang would slaughter it on the road.

[SilverZ06]

Challenger looks cool. But a Camaro or Mustang would slaughter it on the road.

Correct! Challenger is just a pretty face. The mustang and camaro will destroy the challenger around a track.

[Masherbrum]

Ford and Chevy pump out a lot more cars then Dodge.  They can because they are simply larger.

They have been on no list I've seen as best looking or future collectible.  See the titles on my post that suggested challenger is a collectible down the road.

The modern Mustang nor Camaro made the lists.  By consensus it is the best looking of the three.  And Jay if ya want more I can post them.
I've been stopped many times for pictures.  Been on You Tube with my car.  A couple in the park yesterday asked me to stop so they could take photos.
I get comments while driving at redlights, crowds when I get fuel, I've won trophies with it at shows and cruises slotted against the Mustang and Camaro in modern muscle category.
So it's not my opinion entirely.  It's much wider then that.  It's the general publics.  They are all nice though.  Glad they brought the Mustang back so I could
purchase my Challenger.....and I got room in the trunk to put a ham sammich!  And fit four comfortably which the Camaro and Mustang can not do.

Compare Apples to Apples.   The SRT8 is not comparable to collectibility as a GT.  So to do this properly, the GT500 is as collectible as an SRT8 and a Spring Edition Camaro.   An R/T Challenger is not as collectible as a Mustang GT.   Nor should the GT or R/T have that consideration.   This is something that everyone should agree on. 

All three of them are a dime a dozen up here and again, the NAIAS stuff applies to all three pony cars, in any given year.   Sorry man, I go to them and the Stingray was the talk of the town two years ago, just as the Ford GT was this year. 

You are not being completely objective in your discussion here.  I have driven all three and we all like things for a different reason, but to counter with "Ford and Chevy produce more".   Again, sorry.   You listed the nominations and both the Camaro and Mustang have just as many and then some.  Again, in the Automobile industry, SEMA is where it is at.  But to say the Challenger's trophy case is larger than the other two, is a very large reach.

[Hajo]

Compare Apples to Apples.   The SRT8 is not comparable to collectibility as a GT.  So to do this properly, the GT500 is as collectible as an SRT8 and a Spring Edition Camaro.   An R/T Challenger is not as collectible as a Mustang GT.   Nor should the GT or R/T have that consideration.   This is something that everyone should agree on. 

All three of them are a dime a dozen up here and again, the NAIAS stuff applies to all three pony cars, in any given year.   Sorry man, I go to them and the Stingray was the talk of the town two years ago, just as the Ford GT was this year. 

You are not being completely objective in your discussion here.  I have driven all three and we all like things for a different reason, but to counter with "Ford and Chevy produce more".   Again, sorry.   You listed the nominations and both the Camaro and Mustang have just as many and then some.  Again, in the Automobile industry, SEMA is where it is at.  But to say the Challenger's trophy case is larger than the other two, is a very large reach.

Again: fact  in 2014 the Challenger won the TA2 series  Camaros, Mustangs, and Challengers.  Cars limited to 500HP no more.
Pretty good for a larger heavier car that can't turn eh?

http://autoweek.com/article/racing/cameron-lawrence-gives-dodge-first-trans-am-series-championship

I've been stating facts after someone challenged me on only speaking on opinion.  And not in a civil manner.  I've posted facts validating my statements that were considered opinion.

I've backed them up.  Slaughtered on the road?  LOL give me a break the Challenger finished 1st in the TA/2 series..TA series being Vettes,
Vipers etc.

I am done.  My word appears not good enough to be trusted.  Before this turns into a peeing match I'm done gents.

As Jack Webb would say.......oh...you guys weren't around then.  "Just the facts M'am just the facts."

[Zoney]

When I look at the 3, Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger, I personally like the Challenger the most.  I also think the Challenger looks the most like the original.  I think the Mustang is butt-ugly, horrible, pretentious and the least like the original which was a beautiful car.  The Mustang reminds me of the horror they call the Dodge Charger which isn't even available as a 2 door, what a waste of a great name that is. So that puts the Camaro in the middle.  All 3 of them are fine performance cars and although interesting I don't really care because I'm not going to be using it at the track.

Personally I like the Challenger so much more than the others that I would not consider anything but it from these 3 choices.

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I have no pony in this race.....








Yet the Challenger is the best looking muscle car ever made..... bar none....













FACT











why
















because I friggen said so!
















 

[icepac]

Actually, the designer of the new Ford lineup was the lead designer at Aston Martin.

I think the new Mustang is the best looking Mustang Ford has ever produced.  If it was not so big, I would have one in a heartbeat.

That makes total sense.

Ford made a good decision because it's basic shape is sweet and shows through regardless of whether bottom line economy model or king of the hill version.

As far as speeds.........we have taken nearly equal horsepower mustang, camaro, and challenger and run the mile at kennedy space center.

The challenger clearly has some sort of aero advantage over the other two which becomes more pronounced as the speeds climb.

The camaro actually lost parts of it's grille over 170mph.

[Saxman]

More headscratchers from Chrysler, meet the Barracuda concept:





WTF, Dodge? Seriously. W.T.F?

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More headscratchers from Chrysler, meet the Barracuda concept:

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WTF, Dodge? Seriously. W.T.F?

 

looks like the charger...fugen ugly

[FBKampfer]

 

looks like the charger...fugen ugly

Its not bad. Just rather plain for a performance car.