A crazed gunman, who opened fire with an assault rifle onboard a high-speed train was detained by a group of US Marines who were travelling on the service. The man is understood to have been overheard loading the Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifle in the toilet by the un-armed Marines. Three people were injured when the man opened fire, but he was soon forced to the ground and detained.
America. Saving the French since 1917. :rock
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Post by: zack1234 on August 21, 2015, 03:52:46 PM
They should have castrated him and fed his balls to a dog with bad breath :old:
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 21, 2015, 03:56:03 PM
WTG Marines!
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Post by: SlipKnt on August 21, 2015, 03:58:05 PM
I am praying for our Brother in critical condition. That dude was armed to kill a ton of people.
May that young Devil Dog recover.
Semper Fidelis!
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Post by: jeep00 on August 21, 2015, 04:00:52 PM
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America. Saving the French since 1917. :rock
Only fair really, all things considered. They certainly helped us before that. And gave us a pretty hot chick to look over those who came later. :salute
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 21, 2015, 04:03:57 PM
How could this happen? Aren't guns illegal in France?
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Post by: jeep00 on August 21, 2015, 04:10:52 PM
Only fair really, all things considered. They certainly helped us before that. And gave us a pretty hot chick to look over those who came later. :salute
Exactly.
and a big Semper Fi! to some stand up Marines.
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Post by: Zoney on August 21, 2015, 04:16:43 PM
Semper Fi!
Predator I sense you would like to turn this into an argument about guns. Please don't.
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 21, 2015, 04:33:01 PM
Just a sarcastic jab, nothing more.
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Post by: mbailey on August 21, 2015, 04:36:26 PM
Only fair really, all things considered. They certainly helped us before that. And gave us a pretty hot chick to look over those who came later. :salute
:aok
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Post by: Zoney on August 21, 2015, 05:03:09 PM
:salute
Marines, running toward the sound of gunfire for 200 years!
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Post by: Wolfala on August 21, 2015, 06:11:09 PM
Perhaps I missed the part on how he got an AK on the train despite being on 6 watch lists?
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Post by: Dichotomy on August 21, 2015, 06:30:26 PM
:salute
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Post by: texasmom on August 21, 2015, 06:40:26 PM
They are completely badass.
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Post by: danny76 on August 22, 2015, 12:06:18 AM
Good Drills them guys :salute
Bury this lunatic upside down with a pork chop where the sun don't shine :old:
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Post by: Muzzy on August 22, 2015, 01:11:45 AM
Actually, the attack happened while the train was on Belgian soil, and the Americans involved were a member of the US Air Force, an inactive National Guard member and a civilian.
No Marines were involved, but props to the men who stopped the shooting. :salute
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Post by: cpxxx on August 22, 2015, 05:37:30 AM
The Marines get credit for everything but they weren't Marines as I'm sure most of us know by now. Great job the right men in the right place at the right time. We all like to think we could help foil a terrorist attack if the opportunity arises but in reality most of us would hide and hope.
It took a lot of guts to do what they did.
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Post by: Rich46yo on August 22, 2015, 08:36:53 AM
Yeah USAF is going to get the props for this one sorry :D. But I have no doubt any Yank from any military service would have done the same. Jarheads may have killed the terr. I do regular checks on military centers after that last terror attack on one and its always a pleasure to talk to these young Americans wearing the uniform. My own son included. :salute to them all.
Beating the crap out of this POS will be good for morale.
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Post by: Ripsnort on August 22, 2015, 08:53:17 AM
France has some of the most strict gun laws in the world yet illegal weapons outnumber legal weapons 2 to 1. It's a testament yet again that gun laws do not always work.
Thankfully these brave men were there to run TOWARD the perp rather than away from the perp.
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Post by: craz07 on August 22, 2015, 09:05:27 AM
Job well done by our military personnel in subduing the gunman, and a get well soon to any that have been injured during the takedown :salute :pray
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Post by: cpxxx on August 22, 2015, 09:25:40 AM
France has some of the most strict gun laws in the world yet illegal weapons outnumber legal weapons 2 to 1. It's a testament yet again that gun laws do not always work.
Thankfully these brave men were there to run TOWARD the perp rather than away from the perp.
There is no need to derail this topic by using and use it as a ploy to express your views on gun control. A couple of points. The incident didn't happen in France, it happened in Belgium on a train from Holland on it's way to France. French gun laws are irrelevant. Illegal weapons are available anywhere. It's worth pointing out that there are far more gun massacres carried out in the USA than any other western country, mostly carried out by previously law abiding citizens with easy access to guns. That's a unique American problem. Apart from high profile terrorist attacks the risk of getting shot in Europe is infinitesimal unless you are a criminal. So step outside your glass house before throwing stones.
Far better to take pride in the fact three of your fellow Americans went unarmed to tackle a terrorist. They are real heroes.
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Post by: Masherbrum on August 22, 2015, 09:59:01 AM
There is no need to derail this topic by using and use it as a ploy to express your views on gun control. A couple of points. The incident didn't happen in France, it happened in Belgium on a train from Holland on it's way to France. French gun laws are irrelevant. Illegal weapons are available anywhere. It's worth pointing out that there are far more gun massacres carried out in the USA than any other western country, mostly carried out by previously law abiding citizens with easy access to guns. That's a unique American problem. Apart from high profile terrorist attacks the risk of getting shot in Europe is infinitesimal unless you are a criminal. So step outside your glass house before throwing stones.
Far better to take pride in the fact three of your fellow Americans went unarmed to tackle a terrorist. They are real heroes.
Agree completely cpxxx.
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Post by: deSelys on August 22, 2015, 11:19:04 AM
WTG guys and thanks!!
:salute
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Post by: Rich46yo on August 22, 2015, 11:41:54 AM
But lets face it, we got lucky. Had this gunman known what he was doing or had those troops not been there who knows what kind of damage he could have done? I would be even more afraid on American soil where Americans are banned from their 2nd amendment rights on transportation Hubs and Police are under armed.
ISIL is a different kind of threat. They are more action then they are words and they tend to send Loons who are well armed, well trained, with battle experience, and with a plan. In the attacks they have staged even single gunman have a 1 to 1 kill/wound ratio and thats pretty damned good. Most of all when its a single shooter.
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Post by: SysError on August 22, 2015, 12:52:29 PM
There is no need to derail this topic by using and use it as a ploy to express your views on gun control. A couple of points. The incident didn't happen in France, it happened in Belgium on a train from Holland on it's way to France. French gun laws are irrelevant. Illegal weapons are available anywhere. It's worth pointing out that there are far more gun massacres carried out in the USA than any other western country, mostly carried out by previously law abiding citizens with easy access to guns. That's a unique American problem. Apart from high profile terrorist attacks the risk of getting shot in Europe is infinitesimal unless you are a criminal. So step outside your glass house before throwing stones.
Far better to take pride in the fact three of your fellow Americans went unarmed to tackle a terrorist. They are real heroes.
Well stated.
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Post by: rpm on August 22, 2015, 02:31:01 PM
There is no need to derail this topic by using and use it as a ploy to express your views on gun control. A couple of points. The incident didn't happen in France, it happened in Belgium on a train from Holland on it's way to France. French gun laws are irrelevant. Illegal weapons are available anywhere. It's worth pointing out that there are far more gun massacres carried out in the USA than any other western country, mostly carried out by previously law abiding citizens with easy access to guns. That's a unique American problem. Apart from high profile terrorist attacks the risk of getting shot in Europe is infinitesimal unless you are a criminal. So step outside your glass house before throwing stones.
Far better to take pride in the fact three of your fellow Americans went unarmed to tackle a terrorist. They are real heroes.
Great post. Some people just want to hijack threads to project their personal opinion, no matter what. It's a character flaw.
Yeah, the story changed quickly, from 3 Marines to 2 AF and other passengers. Guess that's how breaking news works. I posted the first alert I received. Bottom line is Americans stepped up to the plate, took down the bad guy and saved lives. Funniest thing I read was the guy screaming "Give me back my gun!" after he was taken down.
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Post by: guncrasher on August 22, 2015, 03:30:19 PM
the 3 guys knew they were in danger so they reacted. sorry to say and it doesnt take anything away, but they reacted to save their own lives. nothing wrong with that, on the plus side they saved a few more than their own.
semp
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Post by: Ripsnort on August 22, 2015, 04:45:13 PM
Great post. Some people just want to hijack threads to project their personal opinion, no matter what. It's a character flaw.
Yeah, the story changed quickly, from 3 Marines to 2 AF and other passengers. Guess that's how breaking news works. I posted the first alert I received. Bottom line is Americans stepped up to the plate, took down the bad guy and saved lives. Funniest thing I read was the guy screaming "Give me back my gun!" after he was taken down.
Oh the irony....
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Post by: Ripsnort on August 22, 2015, 04:47:24 PM
But lets face it, we got lucky. Had this gunman known what he was doing or had those troops not been there who knows what kind of damage he could have done? I would be even more afraid on American soil where Americans are banned from their 2nd amendment rights on transportation Hubs and Police are under armed.
ISIL is a different kind of threat. They are more action then they are words and they tend to send Loons who are well armed, well trained, with battle experience, and with a plan. In the attacks they have staged even single gunman have a 1 to 1 kill/wound ratio and thats pretty damned good. Most of all when its a single shooter.
This.
We've very fortunate it was a Russian rifle that jammed. :)
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Post by: MiloMorai on August 22, 2015, 04:49:41 PM
Great post. Some people just want to hijack threads to project their personal opinion, no matter what. It's a character flaw.
Yeah, the story changed quickly, from 3 Marines to 2 AF and other passengers. Guess that's how breaking news works. I posted the first alert I received. Bottom line is Americans stepped up to the plate, took down the bad guy and saved lives. Funniest thing I read was the guy screaming "Give me back my gun!" after he was taken down.
One Air force, one Army (NG) and one Brit civilian.
Russian design but NOT Russian built.
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Post by: Ripsnort on August 22, 2015, 04:52:20 PM
I have shot over 5000 rds with my Russian rifle and it's never jammed. Perhaps someone needs to tell the religious nut bags that they need to actually CLEAN their rifles once in a while? Or perhaps said-host country needs to follow up on nut bags that are on a watch list?
Got lucky this time...
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Post by: SysError on August 22, 2015, 05:33:59 PM
I have shot over 5000 rds with my Russian rifle and it's never jammed. Perhaps someone needs to tell the religious nut bags that they need to actually CLEAN their rifles once in a while?...
I guess that I was thinking along the same sort of lines.
A jammed AK47?
Besides being cheap, easy and quick to make, I always thought that a key attribute of the gun was that it had such large tolerance that even under harsh conditions it was very reliable.
Assuming that this guy did go to somewhere in the middle east for training, you would think (and maybe I am wrong) that some from of basic maintenance was covered.
Also what happened with the hand gun? Why did he use a knife on Spencer (it was him with the knife cuts right?) and not his hand gun?
I think that it might take a week or so for a complete story to emerge. :old:
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Post by: Ripsnort on August 22, 2015, 07:53:41 PM
First reports were a box cutter. Not sure if it was a knife?
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Post by: Oldman731 on August 22, 2015, 10:50:54 PM
the 3 guys knew they were in danger so they reacted. sorry to say and it doesnt take anything away, but they reacted to save their own lives. nothing wrong with that, on the plus side they saved a few more than their own.
Most people who think they're in danger try to hide, or run away. Charging the threat is unusual and counter-intuitive. These people were special.
- oldman
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Post by: guncrasher on August 23, 2015, 12:43:20 AM
they were trained to counter the threat. one of them said along the lines if I remember that he would rather get shot running towards the guy rather than hiding somewhere.
semp
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Post by: SysError on August 23, 2015, 08:08:43 AM
First reports were a box cutter. Not sure if it was a knife?
Just read a different/updated report that says it was a box cutter and not a knife. Also he did fire off his handgun, he hit at least one person. It is unclear how many rounds he got off.
He might have hurt more people with the box cutter than the gun, it is unclear to me right now.
Also been reading about a forth man (sometimes referred to as a Brit, sometimes as a French person) who also charged the guy with the 3 Americans.
Just amazing guys. :salute
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Post by: cpxxx on August 23, 2015, 09:45:50 AM
The Ak didn't jam, Alek Skarlatos in a TV interview described that when he cleared the weapon he found that the primer had been hit but the bullet hadn't fired. So bad ammunition it seems. Lucky for everyone concerned that he hadn't time to clear it before they were on top of him. He also said there was no magazine in the handgun when he checked. If they'd hesitated even a few seconds more this could have a much different ending.
During the Paris supermarket siege the terrorist had two Aks. One of the customers tackled him and got one off him but tragically it too misfired when he tried to shoot him. He was killed by the terrorist with the other Ak. He was a hero too but generally unrecognised.
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Post by: Squire on August 24, 2015, 12:15:24 AM
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Or perhaps said-host country needs to follow up on nut bags that are on a watch list?
The headline is misleading... It correct report should be based only on facts:
Headline: A 26-year-old Moroccan national was beaten up unconscious by US servicemen and a British man on a Paris-bound train.
Body: An assault rifle was found at scene by a police forensic officer. French police is investigating a possible hate crime.
:t
That is frightening in its foresight :confused:
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Post by: cpxxx on August 24, 2015, 04:43:11 AM
Well the President of France just presented them all with the Legion d'Honneur. I wonder can US servicemen wear medal ribbons from a foreign country on their uniforms?
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Post by: artik on August 24, 2015, 05:38:54 AM
It is frightening that this is how BBC, CNN and many other popular news agencies in the western world report some events at certain parts of the world at daily basis.
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Post by: mbailey on August 24, 2015, 05:42:29 AM
Well the President of France just presented them all with the Legion d'Honneur. I wonder can US servicemen wear medal ribbons from a foreign country on their uniforms?
I believe so, I think (I've read somewhere ) they have to be approved decorations. Our military guys here would know better tho, so I defer to them
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Post by: Muzzy on August 24, 2015, 07:48:02 AM
Since the identities of those involved have been somewhat confusing:
Spencer Stone, USAF, injured in the attack Alek Skarlatos, US National Guard Anthony Sadler US. Chris Norman, UK.
All four received the Legion of Honour from France.
:salute
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Post by: SysError on August 24, 2015, 08:34:12 AM
Since the identities of those involved have been somewhat confusing:
Spencer Stone, USAF, injured in the attack Alek Skarlatos, US National Guard Anthony Sadler US. Chris Norman, UK.
All four received the Legion of Honour from France.
:salute
I read that the first two to challenge the attacker were French.
The first was just coming out of the bathroom.
The second was a banker who got shoot and wishes to remain anonymous. A site said that he was going to be awarded the Legion of Honour in a private ceremony later this week.
Again, all of them saved many lives.
(BTW: My wife tells me that in interview she read about the US Airman said he thought that the guy had no weapons training/knowledge and that if he had a lot of people would be dead. Beside loading a magazine and pointing the gun, the guy apparently did not have much of a clue as to what he was doing.)
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Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 08:54:35 AM
why do these terrorists keep coming back to France if they don't like it so much.. just stay the eff out then.. work on your people skills in your own home country
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Post by: SysError on August 29, 2015, 04:05:43 PM
Came across this well written piece about the attack and reflections on how the media handled it.
It takes a nimble pen to pull off what I think this did. For example, here is the opening line to a paragraph within the piece:
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"At this point the script seemed like a rewrite of the old joke about Omaha Beach: the Americans supplied the blood and France provided the sand. "
Good writing IMO.
(BTW, the only reference that may trip up non-English readers is one to Newsnight. Just think Nightline. (If you are under, I guess, 25, just use the Google).
A narrative straight out of the second world war changed every time you read it, and true or not, each re-mix added something delightful
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Post by: zack1234 on August 30, 2015, 04:56:06 AM
I think the lesson of this incident is when ever your in a incident with a nutcase like this is to beat the kak out of him until he is nearly dead. :old:
And then have a cup of tea with may be a bourbon or custard cream :old:
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Post by: danny76 on August 30, 2015, 05:53:50 AM
I think the lesson of this incident is when ever your in a incident with a nutcase like this is to beat the kak out of him until he is nearly dead. :old:
And then have a cup of tea with may be a bourbon or custard cream :old:
I think this a difficult decision to take.
I find it hard to choose between a custard cream and a bourbon
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Post by: zack1234 on August 30, 2015, 07:29:07 AM
Have both :old:
Battenberg cake is a option :old:
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Post by: Lusche on August 30, 2015, 07:53:32 AM
Had to google "battenberg cake".
I liked what I saw :old:
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Post by: craz07 on August 30, 2015, 10:54:18 AM
I think the lesson of this incident is when ever your in a incident with a nutcase like this is to beat the kak out of him until he is nearly dead. :old:
And then have a cup of tea with may be a bourbon or custard cream :old:
I vote bourbon :cheers:
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Post by: guncrasher on August 30, 2015, 06:00:29 PM
why do these terrorists keep coming back to France if they don't like it so much.. just stay the eff out then.. work on your people skills in your own home country
At first I was not sure if you're serious - then I checked some US news sites and realized it was another case of US media navel-gazing. There seems to be hardly any news of the migrant/refugee crisis in Europe at the moment. I suggest you google it.
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Post by: zack1234 on September 02, 2015, 01:27:29 AM
Migrant crisis :rofl
It took 30 years to organise :rofl
Why do you think the Ukraine is being allowed in the EU for their culture :rofl
(Why! Think out of the box if you can)
Another smoke screen.
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Post by: ebfd11 on September 02, 2015, 05:25:41 AM
Well the President of France just presented them all with the Legion d'Honneur. I wonder can US servicemen wear medal ribbons from a foreign country on their uniforms?
Just so you know it is allowed to be worn and displayed on military uniforms... so I hope that answers your question sir...
LawnDart
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Post by: Vulcan on September 02, 2015, 08:08:09 PM
Why do you think the Ukraine is being allowed in the EU for their culture :rofl
(Why! Think out of the box if you can)
Another smoke screen.
Sometimes I'm not sure if you're on drugs, or should be back on them.
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Post by: Meatwad on September 02, 2015, 09:46:21 PM
You have to forgive zack. He played part in the great pie fight from dr. strangelove and took a pie to the head. He hasnt been quite right since then. In fact, he goes on about how Communist pies are infiltrating Britain and sapping the brits of their bodily fluids
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Post by: Vulcan on September 03, 2015, 06:38:46 PM
You have to forgive zack. He played part in the great pie fight from dr. strangelove and took a pie to the head. He hasnt been quite right since then. In fact, he goes on about how Communist pies are infiltrating Britain and sapping the brits of their bodily fluids
I know more than a few brits that have a few marbles lose upstairs, but none seem to have the same challenge with the english language or affinity for excessive emotes.
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Post by: rpm on September 03, 2015, 10:34:17 PM
You have to forgive zack. He played part in the great pie fight from dr. strangelove and took a pie to the head. He hasnt been quite right since then. In fact, he goes on about how Communist pies are infiltrating Britain and sapping the brits of their bodily fluids