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Title: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 23, 2015, 10:08:00 AM
Yesterday while driving towards a rotary I saw what looked like a car backing up against the flow of traffic... As I got closer I realized thats exactly what this idiot was doing, backing up to take a certain exit ON A ROTARY... You know the ones you go around in a small circle choosing which exit to take as you go around. He was even backing up into the path of car trying to go around the correct way. My god that's got to be the dumbest person on the face of this planet :bhead
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 23, 2015, 10:53:27 AM
Every day I'm reminded that half the population has an IQ of 100 or less.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Oldman731 on August 23, 2015, 01:22:02 PM
Every day I'm reminded that half the population has an IQ of 100 or less.
That doesn't mean we're bad people.
- oldman
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: pembquist on August 23, 2015, 01:35:55 PM
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Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 23, 2015, 01:47:14 PM
:cheers:
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Post by: DaveBB on August 23, 2015, 01:51:43 PM
See Rule #4
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: hgtonyvi on August 23, 2015, 02:32:34 PM
I have seen that happen a few times in NY. I always try and stay on the farther most left lane all the time. I always feel safer in this lanes when I'm on the highway.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 09:47:38 AM
I have seen that happen a few times in NY. I always try and stay on the farther most left lane all the time. I always feel safer in this lanes when I'm on the highway.
I hear ya on the highway thing because of trucks, trailers, etc. Scarey story tho, and this is why I don't like being behind anyone that has stuff in their pickup bed or on the roof rack or any sort of hauling.. I was doing about 80 mph in the left lane behind a truck that had good sized barbecue grill up against the back window presumabely strapped down, when all of sudden it came flying out like a paper airplane at me. By the grace of god it swerved toward the center lane while I tried to avoid it and boom that quick it was nearly barbecue grill on my hood. I just felt bad for whoever was coming up behind hope they had time to slow down for a barbecue grill now in the middle of the highway, luckily I didn't see anybody hit it in the rearview.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: mechanic on August 24, 2015, 11:28:28 AM
Every day I'm reminded that half the population has an IQ of 100 or less.
IQ is just a measure of how fast the brain works.
People with high IQs can still be incredibly stupid. It's just that they make the decision to do the stupid thing faster.
IQ is just a processor speed. Common sense and being a decent person have nothing to do with IQ.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 11:41:08 AM
IQ is quite important if you're making the correct decisions, i would say... I think my IQ is like 2 lol....
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 24, 2015, 12:02:09 PM
I wonder how many Mensa members have backed up in a rotary... IQ tests do not merely test "brain speed", but many mental disciplines like abstract-reasoning, arithmetic, vocabulary, knowledge etc. A problem a 120 IQ mind would solve in a minute a 75 IQ mind could spend a lifetime failing to figure out.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 12:05:33 PM
predator should be named the "knowitalll" just kidding pred i love you like a sister
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: zack1234 on August 24, 2015, 12:20:04 PM
Everyone knows IQ tests are a complete loads of nonsense based on pre-concieved ideas of intellegence and time to process information (Capitalist societies require time based tests)
Time = Profit
Apparently the Inuit cannot do IQ tests quickly. (Apparently this means they are daft)
The thought process to live in Artic conditions is off the scale for intelligence.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 12:27:46 PM
repeat message repeat zack
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: FLOOB on August 24, 2015, 12:50:48 PM
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2015, 12:59:12 PM
Take my word for it, you have not seen dumb drivers until you have ridden a motorcycle among them. Yes, I ride like an idiot but that is quite different than "dumb".
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Wiley on August 24, 2015, 01:11:12 PM
Bikes were quite attractive to me until I saw how many close calls occur around them. Once I realized that, I decided I liked my cage and airbags. Like Red Green said, "I'm in a car. You're in a helmet."
From what I can tell, nobody I have ever seen can navigate a roundabout successfully.
Wiley.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SlipKnt on August 24, 2015, 01:29:21 PM
True story about the bike.
You actually see stupid in a whole new light...
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 02:25:43 PM
bikes were cool until a middle aged woman spritzes you for riding behind her and there is nothing you can do but accelerate past her very very angrily.....
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 02:27:01 PM
i guess i should a had a windshield
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: guncrasher on August 24, 2015, 02:47:45 PM
I wonder which idiot actually came up with the idea for it. I have been in this country since 1980 and i have seen exactly 1. and that is at a mall and it causes lots of accidents because most people have never seen one so they dont know what to do.
I have been driving for around 35 years, have seen maybe 2 or 3 only 1 in this country, maybe 1 or 2 in mexico.
as for those of you in bikes on the freeway. keep driving in and out and switching lanes at fast speed. I am pretty sure all drivers will see you. now that's what I call being dumb.
semp
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 02:50:10 PM
i admit that bikers are dumb drivers....
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Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 02:51:44 PM
dumb drivers that is....
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2015, 02:53:30 PM
Semp, there are more and more of these "round-abouts" being installed in Arizona. I have one on my way home every day. It has clear sight lines so I can see everyone approaching from quite far away. If there aren't any vehicles near, this "round-about" quickly tuns into a "chicane" on my bike.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2015, 02:54:49 PM
craz07
A bike is not driven, it is ridden, and your bait is stinky
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: zack1234 on August 24, 2015, 02:55:25 PM
We invented round abouts in the UK.
They are a non mechanical method of traffic control.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 24, 2015, 02:57:24 PM
why is it stinky your too sensitive my 9 fingered friend...
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Zoney on August 24, 2015, 03:10:47 PM
It's 9.5 fingers !!!
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: The Fugitive on August 24, 2015, 03:29:28 PM
We have lots of round-a-bouts/rotaries here in New England and for the most parts have no issues driving through them.... be it a bit fast and aggressive, it is New England after all, but I have NEVER seen anyone back through one.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: ink on August 24, 2015, 04:06:44 PM
We have lots of round-a-bouts/rotaries here in New England and for the most parts have no issues driving through them.... be it a bit fast and aggressive, it is New England after all, but I have NEVER seen anyone back through one.
I keep forgetting we are neighbors :o
:cheers:
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: zack1234 on August 24, 2015, 04:12:48 PM
Ink is a adonis :old:
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: ink on August 24, 2015, 04:21:07 PM
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 24, 2015, 04:53:02 PM
My impression has always been that the rules of right away on a rotary have been poorly understood in the US. For example I think that many people think that right away on a rotary belongs to the person in the rotary, except for Mass. I just Googled it, and yep there are blog posts were people as saying about the same thing (sometimes to inc. RI). I don't understand how this misunderstanding started. :headscratch:
The only thing that appears to be a little bit ambiguous per law is in NJ.
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The New Jersey Driver's Manual recommends that, in the absence of flow control signs, traffic yields based on "historically established traffic flow patterns",[8] and there are no set rules.[9]
I do not have any experience with this in NJ. The ONLY time we are in NJ is when we are on the toll road trying our best to exit the state on our way through it. :D
I believe that in the US there are/or were different rules about coming to a Stop vs a Yield when entering a rotary, but that is about it. (Oh, and everyone seems calls them something different). :angel:
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: The Fugitive on August 24, 2015, 05:29:48 PM
My impression has always been that the rules of right away on a rotary have been poorly understood in the US. For example I think that many people think that right away on a rotary belongs to the person in the rotary, except for Mass. I just Googled it, and yep there are blog posts were people as saying about the same thing (sometimes to inc. RI). I don't understand how this misunderstanding started. :headscratch:
The only thing that appears to be a little bit ambiguous per law is in NJ.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_circle :eek:
I do not have any experience with this in NJ. The ONLY time we are in NJ is when we are on the toll road trying our best to exit the state on our way through it. :D
I believe that in the US there are/or were different rules about coming to a Stop vs a Yield when entering a rotary, but that is about it. (Oh, and everyone seems calls them something different). :angel:
In most stats the person IN the rotary has the right of way. I think the confusion around here came from Connecticut were until recently the person entering the rotary had the right of way. I think just about all the states are on the same page now.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: ink on August 24, 2015, 05:43:29 PM
The question is, are you forgetting on purpose? :devil :neener:
....
:rofl
probably all the brain cells that went up in smoke :lipsrsealed:
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: icepac on August 24, 2015, 07:45:12 PM
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 24, 2015, 08:11:39 PM
Meanwhile in India...
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: The Fugitive on August 24, 2015, 09:02:45 PM
That first scene looks like Boston! Their problem is they are all driving on the wrong side of the road as well as running the rotaries backwards, counter clockwise not clockwise! The other thing, I know they have sped up the video to make it look more dramatic, but around here..... thats still slow :devil
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: BuckShot on August 24, 2015, 10:56:28 PM
The two lane wide rotary at the end of the Borne bridge on the cape can be interesting.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: MiloMorai on August 25, 2015, 07:20:09 AM
I think the confusion on right of way is that, at least here, the vehicle entering a freeway has the right of way.
Last July had an accident on the bike at one. Dumb 'female dog' in an Audi SUV stopped at the yield sign because there was a car on the far side of the circle. :bhead :bhead
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 25, 2015, 07:29:41 AM
I wonder how many Mensa members have backed up in a rotary... IQ tests do not merely test "brain speed", but many mental disciplines like abstract-reasoning, arithmetic, vocabulary, knowledge etc. A problem a 120 IQ mind would solve in a minute a 75 IQ mind could spend a lifetime failing to figure out.
Not sure if you are disputing my statement or (in bold) confirming exactly what I said.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Skuzzy on August 25, 2015, 12:35:21 PM
I think the confusion on right of way is that, at least here, the vehicle entering a freeway has the right of way.<snip>
The vehicle entering the freeway, in Texas, yields to traffic on the freeway. Typically there is a "yield" sign on the ramp. Exiting freeway traffic has the right of way.
And for the record, I hate/detest roundabouts. There are a few here and the traffic is always backed up for several hundred yards trying to get through them. All it takes is one good solid stream of cars entering it, and a backup will ensue as people try to figure out when it will be safe to enter. Crazy design.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 25, 2015, 12:36:34 PM
The vehicle entering the freeway, in Texas, yields to traffic on the freeway. Typically there is a "yield" sign on the ramp. Exiting freeway traffic has the right of way.
And for the record, I hate/detest roundabouts. There are a few here and the traffic is always backed up for several hundred yards trying to get through them. All it takes is one good solid stream of cars entering it, and a backup will ensue as people try to figure out when it will be safe to enter. Crazy design.
Roundabouts work perfectly in the UK even in dense populations areas. Most of the rest of the roads are chaos but the roundabouts are about the only thing that runs smoothly here.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 25, 2015, 01:00:56 PM
I must say, I have now managed to confuses my self. :rolleyes:
So, according to the FHWA (U.S.A.), Roundabouts are:
"Roundabouts are circular intersections. Roundabouts reduce traffic conflicts (for example, left turns) that are frequent causes of crashes at traditional intersections. Unlike a traffic circle or a rotary, a roundabout's incoming traffic yields to the circulating traffic." :O
Roundabouts work perfectly in the UK even in dense populations areas. Most of the rest of the roads are chaos but the roundabouts are about the only thing that runs smoothly here.
I fully agree they work well there. I have been there and they run really smoothly. English drivers know how to merge. We have not figured that one out yet. One day we may.
Here, they are utter chaos. Part of the problem is they way they are built here. The poor markings and signage and no one sees to know how to yield to anyone. Then again, the "yeild" problem exists everywhere you drive around here.
You want to see stupid? Pull up a chair near a freeway overpass, so you can see the road near any exit/entrance ramp and watch stupid unfold. It is quite a show.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: mechanic on August 25, 2015, 01:56:18 PM
I fully agree they work well there. I have been there and they run really smoothly. English drivers know how to merge. We have not figured that one out yet. One day we may.
Here, they are utter chaos. Part of the problem is they way they are built here. The poor markings and signage and no one sees to know how to yield to anyone. Then again, the "yeild" problem exists everywhere you drive around here.
You want to see stupid? Pull up a chair near a freeway overpass, so you can see the road near any exit/entrance ramp and watch stupid unfold. It is quite a show.
Hehe, copy that. When I inevitably do a USA tour in the future I will do just that and come back with a report.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 25, 2015, 02:30:12 PM
Not sure if you are disputing my statement or (in bold) confirming exactly what I said.
My point was that it is not just about speed, but about "bandwidth". A simple mind can't wrap itself around a complex problem no matter how much time it spends. Solving a complex problem is more about processing huge amounts of data simultaneously. That's why programmers like to work at night; They have to build all the complex logic inside their heads before turning into code. One interruption from a coworker or spouse and they lose focus and have to start over again.
A simple mind could have unlimited time to complete an IQ test and never get past some of the more complex parts.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Skuzzy on August 25, 2015, 03:19:36 PM
My point was that it is not just about speed, but about "bandwidth". A simple mind can't wrap itself around a complex problem no matter how much time it spends. Solving a complex problem is more about processing huge amounts of data simultaneously. That's why programmers like to work at night; They have to build all the complex logic inside their heads before turning into code. One interruption from a coworker or spouse and they lose focus and have to start over again.
A simple mind could have unlimited time to complete an IQ test and never get past some of the more complex parts.
From my experience, many incredibly intelligent people will make a problem more complex than it is. They lack the ability to take a common sense approach to solving a problem. Not all, but a good majority do.
That brings us to what a "complex" problem really is. Not all problems have a mathematical basis, but then again, is that what is complex to you? It ma be complex to some and not to others. The level of intelligence may not come into play as much as the life experience one may have to work with.
I have spent most of my career working with and around programmers. They cannot be shoe horned into one paradigm. I would say a poor choice to establish your point. I have known very few to actually work as you suggested they do, which does not mean there are some who do work that way.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: zack1234 on August 25, 2015, 03:30:36 PM
Programmers are odd :old:
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Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 25, 2015, 03:36:54 PM
By all means don't take my word for it. Of course people think differently and approach problems differently.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Skuzzy on August 25, 2015, 03:50:37 PM
I'll take my 30+ years experience with applications and systems programmers over a Youtube video.
:rofl
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 25, 2015, 03:59:09 PM
You extrapolate from your own experience and ignore all other input on the matter. Like the guy in the video who wrote the book "Why programmers work at night". OK, that's fine I guess, but it smells like hubris.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: MiloMorai on August 25, 2015, 05:40:17 PM
The vehicle entering the freeway, in Texas, yields to traffic on the freeway. Typically there is a "yield" sign on the ramp. Exiting freeway traffic has the right of way.
This is the rule:
Sec. 545.154. VEHICLE ENTERING OR LEAVING LIMITED-ACCESS OR CONTROLLED-ACCESS HIGHWAY. An operator on an access or feeder road of a limited-access or controlled-access highway shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle entering or about to enter the access or feeder road from the highway, or leaving or about to leave the access or feeder road to enter the highway.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Nwbie on August 25, 2015, 06:00:27 PM
There is a difference between common sense and ... what was that other thing?
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Skuzzy on August 26, 2015, 07:14:58 AM
You extrapolate from your own experience and ignore all other input on the matter. Like the guy in the video who wrote the book "Why programmers work at night". OK, that's fine I guess, but it smells like hubris.
My own experience is far more reaching that the Youtube authors is. If you would rather take his word for anything it is your choice. I see it more like the blind leading the blind. There certainly is a market for that.
The difference between you and I, in this matter, is I can speak with fact and certainty, while you have to lean on something you find on the Internet.
Mistaking overwhelming knowledge for hubris is a common error as anyone with a firm grasp on any given topic can speak with authority on those topics.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: PR3D4TOR on August 26, 2015, 07:36:32 AM
You should write a book about it. Improve mankind with your overwhelming knowledge.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 26, 2015, 08:26:20 AM
There is no way this guy or gal driving around the rotary knew that you could go around again, probably unfamiliar with them or unfamiliar with the area, he was causing such a hazard by backing up..
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Xtrepid on August 26, 2015, 09:16:47 AM
Nashville, Tennessee (http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/Xtrepid/nashville_roundabout_aerial_view-web_33c6_zpse0g9rcnh.jpg) Music City Center Roundabout
(http://i456.photobucket.com/albums/qq288/Xtrepid/ROundabout_zpshgyzjvkw.jpg) The statue "Musica" in the center of this Roundabout on Music Row is quite interesting.
http://www.alanlequire.com/musica.shtml
X :salute
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Skuzzy on August 26, 2015, 09:22:14 AM
Sec. 545.154. VEHICLE ENTERING OR LEAVING LIMITED-ACCESS OR CONTROLLED-ACCESS HIGHWAY. An operator on an access or feeder road of a limited-access or controlled-access highway shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle entering or about to enter the access or feeder road from the highway, or leaving or about to leave the access or feeder road to enter the highway.
You are not interpreting that correctly. Allow me to replace the legal terms with more common terms. It might make it clearer.
An operator on a frontage road of a freeway shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle entering or about to enter the frontage road from the freeway, or leaving or about to leave the frontage road to enter the freeway.
Does that make more sense? The first case talks about the traffic on the frontage road having to yield to traffic exiting a freeway, while the last case talks about on ramp traffic yielding to the freeway traffic.
Sec. 545.154. VEHICLE ENTERING OR LEAVING LIMITED-ACCESS OR CONTROLLED-ACCESS HIGHWAY. An operator on an access or feeder road of a limited-access or controlled-access highway shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle entering or about to enter the access or feeder road from the highway, or leaving or about to leave the access or feeder road to enter the highway.
do you need to show ID to gain access to a limited-access or controlled-access highway? and where would I get one? a limited access or controlled access highway reminds me of a guard with a rifle, make it sure only the people with proper permits gets in.
I remember when I took my test for a driving permit back in '82. had been in the country for about 1 1/2 years, the lady insisted on giving me the written test in spanish. I took one look at the test and I handed it back confused as I thought she was gonna give me a test written in spanish. she told me that was spanish, I said no it isnt, I can read and write spanish and I can tell you that is for sure not spanish. I asked for the one in english and passed it.
semp
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Skuzzy on August 26, 2015, 12:04:36 PM
Semp, the terms limited access or controlled access are simply legal terms for a freeway.
Freeways have limited or controlled access via on ramps.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Bizman on August 26, 2015, 12:13:26 PM
Interesting reading, this topic...
As for making dumb things in traffic, my dad scared the crap out of me starting to back up on a one way ramp. Until that I had considered him to be an above average driver with lots of experience in different countries. Maybe it was because he was driving my car as I was watching and judging, we had a schedule although we weren't in a hurry, it was our second father-son trip ever which may have excited him, it was quite hot so he might've been a little dehydrated, he was already above 70... A misjudgement of the situation in any case. Or as my mom said after I got my license: No matter how good a driver you may be, or how well you know all of the rules, there's always someone who for some reason doesn't drive as expected.
@ semp: Was that some kind of Google translator Spanish, or was it in an entirely different language like French or Portuguese? Or just a different version of Spanish, like Latin American vs. European Spanish?
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: MiloMorai on August 26, 2015, 03:22:40 PM
I took it to mean you interpreted the law to read that way. My mistake for that.
Where do you live that it is that way?
Not to speak for Milo but he's a canuk like me,we live in same province but are about the size of texas apart..... :devil
They installed a roundabout in my city a couple years ago,it's been so successful the city has put several others in!
Sure it took awhile to get used to but I use it all the time and I beleive it saves time as I rarely need to stop,simple slow and enter when safe and be on my way. A stop light may be slightly safer but ties up traffic and cause long lines and frustrated drivers who are much more important than you and do silly things that cause accidents.
Man I miss riding a bike,traffic seldom bothered me in those days...... :D
:salute
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 26, 2015, 07:27:25 PM
So I guess that the terms: Roundabouts, Traffic Circle or Rotary refer to different types of traffic semaphores. :old:
For anyone interested here is what I dug up about Roundabouts, Traffic Circles and Rotaries IN THE US. (A word of caution, other countries appear to have different definitions and different rules!)
Rotary vs. Roundabouts http://www.cityofbrooklyncenter.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/331 (http://www.cityofbrooklyncenter.org/DocumentCenter/Home/View/331) or http://www.ccrpcvt.org/library/roundabout_projects/rotary.php (http://www.ccrpcvt.org/library/roundabout_projects/rotary.php)
Roundabouts compared to Traffic Circle http://www.alaskaroundabouts.com/mythfact1.html (http://www.alaskaroundabouts.com/mythfact1.html)
They installed a roundabout in my city a couple years ago, ...
Sure it took awhile to get used to but I use it all the time and I believe it saves time as I rarely need to stop, simple slow and enter when safe and be on my way. A stop light may be slightly safer but ties up traffic and cause long lines and frustrated drivers who are much more important than you and do silly things that cause accidents.
I saw this: MythBusters Test A Four-way Stop Vs. A Roundabout
@ semp: Was that some kind of Google translator Spanish, or was it in an entirely different language like French or Portuguese? Or just a different version of Spanish, like Latin American vs. European Spanish?
no it was spanish alright but it was so badly translated that it was really hard to understand. a few of the questions were asking what the picture on the right meant, but there was no picture. when I pointed it out, the guy said I would still have to answer it correctly.
semp
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Bizman on August 27, 2015, 04:38:54 AM
no it was spanish alright but it was so badly translated that it was really hard to understand. a few of the questions were asking what the picture on the right meant, but there was no picture. when I pointed it out, the guy said I would still have to answer it correctly.
semp
I see. People speaking Spanish appear to be visually impaired since they can't tell what's on the picture. Or is it just that in traffic there's no pictures either?
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 27, 2015, 07:51:19 AM
True, a 4 way stop is not a traffic light, but it is a traffic semaphore.
A person directing traffic at an intersection is also a traffic semaphore. And it was interesting to see the results of traffic flow with a person directing traffic within the MythBusters segment. It would have been interesting to see a test using traffic lights within their piece, but they didn’t do it. My guess is that they view a four-way stop as an alternative to the European roundabout and not traffic lights.
I guess the question they are answering is what, if any, are the opportunity costs of using a 4 way stop vs. a roundabout.
Given the incredible amount of traffic we all seem to face, it would interesting to know, at least in theory, if one solution is substantially better than another.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: xbrit on August 27, 2015, 08:41:27 AM
LOL reading all of these problems with a simple roundabout reminds me of when this one was first opened near the base I was stationed at. This is Magic Roundabout in Swindon,England. (http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x132/xbrit58/lifemagi1_zps2qy3nsj3.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/xbrit58/media/lifemagi1_zps2qy3nsj3.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 27, 2015, 09:12:05 AM
LOL reading all of these problems with a simple roundabout reminds me of when this one was first opened near the base I was stationed at. This is Magic Roundabout in Swindon,England. (http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x132/xbrit58/lifemagi1_zps2qy3nsj3.jpg) (http://s187.photobucket.com/user/xbrit58/media/lifemagi1_zps2qy3nsj3.jpg.html)
You have got to be kidding me! :O :O Is it still there?
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Thruster on August 27, 2015, 09:22:12 AM
Sure that ain't one of them crop circle deals?
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: xbrit on August 27, 2015, 09:28:16 AM
We have lots of round-a-bouts/rotaries here in New England and for the most parts have no issues driving through them.... be it a bit fast and aggressive, it is New England after all, but I have NEVER seen anyone back through one.
They are becoming more common down here in Charlotte. My favorite story was back in NJ though. On Rte 46 they have a large circle in Netcong. One night I was coming home from work about 23:30 when I noticed a sedan going around counter clockwise against <fortunately light> traffic that time of night. That was bad enough, then the moron proceeded to drive the wrong way back up Rt 202 towards the Rt 80 interstate off ramp.
I could only imagine what would have happened if someone exited at interstate speeds for the headon.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: SysError on August 27, 2015, 10:39:13 AM
I thought that this was interesting: (Brits need to make up their minds).
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Constructed in 1973, the "Magic Roundabout" in Hemel Hempstead was voted the UK's second-worst roundabout in a 2005 poll held by an insurance company (the winner being its Swindon counterpart).[1]
In 2011 the roundabout was voted the best in Britain by motorists in a competition organised by a car leasing service.[2]
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Skuzzy on August 27, 2015, 11:14:19 AM
Not to speak for Milo but he's a canuk like me,we live in same province but are about the size of texas apart..... :devil<snip>
So in Canada, traffic on the freeway/expressway has to yield to traffic entering it. That is interesting. Are the entrance ramps really short? I could see that being why it would be that way.
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 27, 2015, 11:48:31 AM
I see. People speaking Spanish appear to be visually impaired since they can't tell what's on the picture. Or is it just that in traffic there's no pictures either?
good point
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Zimme83 on August 27, 2015, 11:54:41 AM
Or... U can just do like this...
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: guncrasher on August 27, 2015, 01:45:49 PM
I see. People speaking Spanish appear to be visually impaired since they can't tell what's on the picture. Or is it just that in traffic there's no pictures either?
actually also them blond people in your side of the country have the same problem.
semp
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: craz07 on August 27, 2015, 02:02:08 PM
what if it's just a nasty curveball? I would never pass that test
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Bizman on August 27, 2015, 02:33:03 PM
So in Canada, traffic on the freeway/expressway has to yield to traffic entering it. That is interesting. Are the entrance ramps really short? I could see that being why it would be that way.
I'm not sure how to define really short but traffic usually moves over a lane and there is usually an extra lane to assist with this.
I could joke and say it's because Canadians are so polite they move over and make way but thats not really true! It's the dogsleds,they just dont travel that fast to cause accidents........ :devil
:salute
Title: Re: Beyond dumb
Post by: Meatwad on August 27, 2015, 08:57:37 PM
I'm not sure how to define really short but traffic usually moves over a lane and there is usually an extra lane to assist with this.
I could joke and say it's because Canadians are so polite they move over and make way but thats not really true! It's the dogsleds,they just dont travel that fast to cause accidents........ :devil
:salute
Accidents are caused when one of the dogs sees a squirrel and jots over 3 lanes to chase it (asian dog syndrome)