General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: FESS67 on September 09, 2015, 06:18:19 AM
Title: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: FESS67 on September 09, 2015, 06:18:19 AM
Picture this.
Base flashes - up a 51 to defend. F4U up on a perch..we circle for a minute or 2 but no real action as he is 5k above and does not want to commit.
2nd defender ups..190A5
F4U makes a pass....then eggs something...not sure what but not the radar which I was expecting it to hit.
We give chase...190A5 is left in the dust but the F4U turns out to be a F4UD - well, my P51 can haul it in. I chase for maybe 2 minutes and get to 800 out. BAILS!!!!
The reason given...."I got what I came for, not going to give you points!"
Seriously? bomb and bail has now made it to the fighter aircraft. With 26 players on it was hard enough to find a conflict and then this!!! I obviously cannot name the pilot because that would be in breach of some rule but maybe the Gun Fighters need to have a chat and see if that is the behaviour they want from their squad.
What a waste of time. Very disappointed.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Meatwad on September 09, 2015, 06:23:58 AM
You should give his name anyway. Bomb and bail should be publicly humiliated
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Scca on September 09, 2015, 07:01:39 AM
Don't worry about it. Once he is old enough for hair on his junk, he will become a better player.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 09, 2015, 07:50:53 AM
Base flashes - up a 51 to defend. F4U up on a perch..we circle for a minute or 2 but no real action as he is 5k above and does not want to commit.
2nd defender ups..190A5
F4U makes a pass....then eggs something...not sure what but not the radar which I was expecting it to hit.
We give chase...190A5 is left in the dust but the F4U turns out to be a F4UD - well, my P51 can haul it in. I chase for maybe 2 minutes and get to 800 out. BAILS!!!!
The reason given...."I got what I came for, not going to give you points!"
Seriously? bomb and bail has now made it to the fighter aircraft. With 26 players on it was hard enough to find a conflict and then this!!! I obviously cannot name the pilot because that would be in breach of some rule but maybe the Gun Fighters need to have a chat and see if that is the behaviour they want from their squad.
What a waste of time. Very disappointed.
In this situation it's no different than if they were able to run away like 95% of the P51s and 190Ds you come across in the MA. Sure you would have cought the F4U in the long run and this is a very dweeby thing to do, but I consider this situation no different than if they just were able to out run you.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 08:14:46 AM
A certain 56th pilot started doing this as well after they were shot down repeatedly. Happened several times now. Got film of it too.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Bino on September 09, 2015, 08:19:42 AM
Two different objectives, both valid, in terms of the game. His: to hit and run. Yours: to enjoy a dogfight. "Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks." *shrug*
Personally, I view almost anything I do in the MA as just practice for Special Events, so I consciously try to avoid taking it too seriously. Among other things, that's why you'll often see me in a Storch.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: FLS on September 09, 2015, 08:31:25 AM
Yes, tell the enemy to stop doing the opposite of what you want.
Because giving them instructions on how to piss you off will make them grateful and compliant.
I agree it sucks but they likely won't see getting shot down as an improvement over bailing.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: DubiousKB on September 09, 2015, 09:58:38 AM
hey skyyr, you wouldn't happen to have a, let's call it a doppleganger, named "ryyks" would you? :devil
Just noticed that this incredibly cheeky (in maneuvers, not manners) pilot whooped my butt with a name that is reverse of yours... weird...
and i'd like the record to show that last night I flew my swiss cheese b17s into city strat under 10k... if someone lost my dot after i downed them it was due to city strat ack lighting me on fire not my crew bailing out... :salute
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Yankee67 on September 09, 2015, 10:07:13 AM
If I had a nickel for every time Skyyr ran a half sector or more from me I'd have a free subscription this month.
With all due respect, sir, I don't run from you. In fact, here's the current tour record:
My kills (18 total): http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=89&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=28&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Ryyks
Your single kill: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=Skyyr&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=42&kname=LilMak
So no, I don't run from you and have no reason to, unless you attempt a typical 2v1 or 3v1 (even then, I typically extend and kill you one by one, as seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEdNv7Kg1rQ)). I don't post any of this to inflame or even insult, I post it simply to set the record straight and to show that I actually don't run from combat, as I fly entirely for the purpose of fighter combat.
I'll state what I always state: if you feel that my kills on you are unfair, then you're welcome to go to the DA and we can have a same plane, co-alt, co-E duel - that's as fair as it can ever be. No interruptions, no friends to help, no ack to run to - nothing but your plane and your skill. There's nothing that I enjoy more than an balanced duel. You can even pick the planes. ;)
That being said, bailing out of a fighter to avoid a pure 1v1 when the sole purpose of upping the fighter was to find combat seems rather... unproductive. To each his own, I guess.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Dragon Tamer on September 09, 2015, 12:23:01 PM
With all due respect, sir, I don't run from you. In fact, here's the current tour record:
My kills (18 total): http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=89&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=28&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Ryyks
Your single kill: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=Skyyr&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=42&kname=LilMak
So no, I don't run from you and have no reason to, unless you attempt a typical 2v1 or 3v1 (even then, I typically extend and kill you one by one, as seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEdNv7Kg1rQ)). I don't post any of this to inflame or even insult, I post it simply to set the record straight and to show that I actually don't run from combat, as I fly entirely for the purpose of fighter combat.
I'll state what I always state: if you feel that my kills on you are unfair, then you're welcome to go to the DA and we can have a same plane, co-alt, co-E duel. No interruptions, no friends, no ack to run to - nothing but your plane and your skill. There's nothing that I enjoy more than an balanced duel. Let me know when you'd like to fight P-47 vs P-47 in the DA. ;)
That being said, bailing out of a fighter to avoid a pure 1v1 when the sole purpose of upping the fighter was to find combat seems rather... unproductive. To each his own, I guess.
If I had a nickel for every time Skyyr ran a half sector or more from me I'd have a free subscription this month.
This thread is not about running.....its about running and bailing when caught.........we have all run at some point to regain position when at a disadvantage or out numbered.......but if caught we fight it out...win or lose....running and then bailing when caught to prevent giving points is as lame as it gets in a combat flight sim game...... :old:
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Latrobe on September 09, 2015, 12:29:09 PM
With all due respect, sir, I don't run from you. In fact, here's the current tour record:
My kills (18 total): http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=89&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=28&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Ryyks
Your single kill: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=Skyyr&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=42&kname=LilMak
So no, I don't run from you and have no reason to, unless you attempt a typical 2v1 or 3v1 (even then, I typically extend and kill you one by one, as seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEdNv7Kg1rQ)). I don't post any of this to inflame or even insult, I post it simply to set the record straight and to show that I actually don't run from combat, as I fly entirely for the purpose of fighter combat.
I'll state what I always state: if you feel that my kills on you are unfair, then you're welcome to go to the DA and we can have a same plane, co-alt, co-E duel - that's as fair as it can ever be. No interruptions, no friends to help, no ack to run to - nothing but your plane and your skill. There's nothing that I enjoy more than an balanced duel. You can even pick the planes. ;)
That being said, bailing out of a fighter to avoid a pure 1v1 when the sole purpose of upping the fighter was to find combat seems rather... unproductive. To each his own, I guess.
Speaking of challenges when are you going to accept my Ice Cream eating competition? I realize that it can be intimidating to go up again the 2015 Ice Cream eating champion so I'll even let you have a 10 minute head start if you'd like.
:salute
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: ink on September 09, 2015, 12:30:31 PM
This thread is not about running.....its about running and bailing when caught.........we all run at some point to gain position when at a disadvantage or out numbered.......but if caught we fight it out...win or lose....running and then bailing when caught to prevent giving points is as lame as it gets in a combat flight sim game...... :old:
ummm....no. :aok
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Copprhed on September 09, 2015, 12:38:36 PM
Real talent Jinx :salute
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 12:39:57 PM
Speaking of challenges when are you going to accept my Ice Cream eating competition? I realize that it can be intimidating to go up again the 2015 Ice Cream eating champion so I'll even let you have a 10 minute head start if you'd like.
:salute
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 01:15:25 PM
Quote
we all run at some point
I don't recall ever running, I will extend with in around 2K or 1.5K and reset, but don't recall ever running, if you got proof I have run post it....
edit: let me quantify this, I do know how to perform the rolling retreat, it's where whomever I am winging with kills everyone chasing us..... best one ever, that I can remember was Ren, DFA and I and we all landed over 8 kills each........
Skyyr, want to duel any? just some friendly practice, someone I hold in high regard said you have really gotten a lot better.....lets have a go at it, hell, I'll fly by your rules even, Sir....
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 01:31:38 PM
I don't recall ever running, I will extend with in around 2K or 1.5K and reset, but don't recall ever running, if you got proof I have run post it....
edit: let me quantify this, I do know how to perform the rolling retreat, it's where whomever I am winging with kills everyone chasing us..... best one ever, that I can remember was Ren, DFA and I and we all landed over 8 kills each........
Skyyr, want to duel any? just some friendly practice, someone I hold in high regard said you have really gotten a lot better.....lets have a go at it, hell, I'll fly by your rules even, Sir....
We've actually fought a few times recently (last fight was a few weeks ago), but I'm always down for a good DA session.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: NatCigg on September 09, 2015, 01:34:23 PM
Timid F4u ... I would say its jaro but the guy bombed so it must be one of jaros kids. Not suprising considering that team leader subscribes to SGT magazine and is their number one contributor. Another good example of the vile muck that pollutes the knight team. Fly Bish kill knight dweebs (mostly knight F4Us).
Funny story I was flying to a knight base and I see a full dar bar over their field. I assume its another knight playing their classic style of circling over their field gaming salt to pounce on whoever is willing to waste their day flying into the fighter dweebs. I call on 200 is that a circle jest or do you call that defence? This guy jaro replys "did you take it?". Yea us two fighters were taking your base, toard. As I cruise in at twelve k for the 10 on 1 fight here comes a f4u 8,000 feet above me circling his field. I make for the hill and drag the players to a canyon to try even the odds. I loop around the ground avoiding the a6m, yak, and 109 on my tail with the 20 k yard f4u trying to dive in as well. The f4u has so much e he can't maneuver in the canyon and the other three are trying their best. Finally, the f4u gets his shot on target and I loose flight . Jaro got me . Good base defence bud. :old:
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 01:48:14 PM
We've actually fought a few times recently (last fight was a few weeks ago), but I'm always down for a good DA session.
hmm....we did? if we did you wasn't flying under "Skyyr" and you just gave yourself away, not that I really care, heck, I;m known for using shades as well......
but sure, lets hook up and duel, I am free most all the time.... lets duel as Skyyr vs TC, though......if you don't mind ( I already figured out your other gameid )....
cheers
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 01:50:44 PM
I won't be on for several more hours. Still at work. If you're on around 8-9PM CST, I'm game. ;)
rgr that, just shout at me, if I'm not online, you got my home number, I think..... I;m not drinking to drink, just flooding the pain is all...
looking forward to tonight, Jon...
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: LilMak on September 09, 2015, 02:03:18 PM
I only have one tidbit of proof for my case.
"I am Skyyr. I am Damned. Never. Ever. Turn."
You follow that to the letter whenever you get caught at a disadvantage. Now I can understand extending as well as anyone can. Extending 15-30 miles isn't extending. It's running.
I will grant you your duel on two contitions. 1. You stop selecting training wheels in the hangar for a six month period. 2. You stop pretending you know everything for a six month period.
Until such time. You simply aren't worth the effort and I will call out what I smell as you shovel it.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 02:10:55 PM
You follow that to the letter whenever you get caught at a disadvantage. Now I can understand extending as well as anyone can. Extending 15-30 miles isn't extending. It's running.
I will grant you your duel on two contitions. 1. You stop selecting training wheels in the hangar for a six month period. 2. You stop pretending you know everything for a six month period.
Until such time. You simply aren't worth the effort and I will call out what I smell as you shovel it.
come on Lil Mak, Skyyr has come leaps and bounds since he arrived back in '13....... he actually does have some very good traights..... I have fought Skyyr, straight, 1'2 lit, drunk, and even on my pain medication, Skyyr and Kruel even, do give a straight up fight.... from my experiences.... I got films, not that any of it even matters... Skyyr has really improved, He didn't even call me out on my HO shot on his alias, even I was told who it was from the beginning in a certain event.... so he has growed leaps and bounds in my eyes....
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 02:14:57 PM
You follow that to the letter whenever you get caught at a disadvantage. Now I can understand extending as well as anyone can. Extending 15-30 miles isn't extending. It's running.
I will grant you your duel on two contitions. 1. You stop selecting training wheels in the hangar for a six month period. 2. You stop pretending you know everything for a six month period.
Until such time. You simply aren't worth the effort and I will call out what I smell as you shovel it.
So you're criticizing me for not fighting from a disadvantage when I have the option? That's relatively laughable, for two reasons: 1) The first being that you started on my six for about 8 of those 18 kills and were reversed in seconds (I'll post the films for you on my channel (http://www.youtube.com/skyyr)), and 2) the second because you're basically saying "Skyyr can fight when it's even, but he won't fight when it's not even."
Anyone who would criticize any other player for not fighting them from a disadvantage is a hypocrite, because by definition they themselves are starting with an advantage and are therefore not at a disadvantage.
I'll agree to those terms if you win. If you lose, well... ;)
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: glzsqd on September 09, 2015, 02:33:03 PM
Mmm, I love the smell of video game drama. Smells like BO and farts.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Jed on September 09, 2015, 02:34:40 PM
The first time I fought Skyyr, a few years ago he quickly ditched twice before The kill was awarded. The day ended 4-2 ..Skyyr on losing side.. They were fun fights.. Then he posts a video on YouTube edited to show his glorious victory.. ......laughable.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 02:50:11 PM
The first time I fought Skyyr, a few years ago he quickly ditched twice before The kill was awarded. The day ended 4-2 ..Skyyr on losing side.. They were fun fights.. Then he posts a video on YouTube edited to show his glorious victory.. ......laughable.
Jed, do you feel like calling me out, sir? I am "Damned" and "I will Turn" ........ I don't think Frenchy, Nomde, or any other FG56th will mind if you called me out....
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 02:51:57 PM
The first time I fought Skyyr, a few years ago he quickly ditched twice before The kill was awarded. The day ended 4-2 ..Skyyr on losing side.. They were fun fights.. Then he posts a video on YouTube edited to show his glorious victory.. ......laughable.
I wasn't playing a "few years" ago. In fact, these were some of my first fights against you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqu2yhzJ_Wg) (completely unedited, btw). ;)
Guess FESS' post about running and bailing really resounded with a certain squad. :rofl
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 02:57:30 PM
I wasn't playing a "few years" ago. In fact, these were some of my first fights against you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqu2yhzJ_Wg) (completely unedited, btw). ;)
got to admit, they learned real quick to back their toejam up......( yes that got quafhed, ) they learned to back up everything....as I always have done in every flight....
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 02:58:42 PM
got to admit, they learned real quick to back their toejam up......( yes that got quafhed, ) they learned to back up everything....as I always have done in every flight....
TC
Yep. :aok
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 03:10:46 PM
hehe.Skyyr bro, just knocked of 1/2 gallon of scotch got another 1/2 gallon and a 5th of Jamieson on the way....might not be good to meet to night, but I am game, if you are.???? I don't give a S, right...
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 03:37:05 PM
I understand Fess, brother!......
this is really how I feel...........
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vwHuCC6nP8
hehe..............
it only matters , about, What You Give......
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 04:11:34 PM
well crap, I figured I'd get a reply by now.......
I guess that is the way it is, or the way it goes..... ( another Tesla song, btw )
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Jed on September 09, 2015, 04:18:39 PM
Don't know of anyone in the 56th who would bail... A few, meaning 2 or more. Say around 2 or when ever you started . And If the videos show you ditching a few times, then it's the same fight I was talking about and I am glad you still have them.
I am HUB. And I am thoroughly unimpressed.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 04:24:56 PM
Don't know of anyone in the 56th who would bail... A few, meaning 2 or more. Say around 2 or when ever you started . And If the videos show you ditching a few times, then it's the same fight I was talking about and I am glad you still have them.
I am HUB. And I am thoroughly unimpressed.
Honestly, Hub, I am sure you do not mean you are aiming your unimpressed at me, Sir..... and I'm sure you know, you don't know what you got til it's gone!.....
I'm game in the DA anytime, no matter my condition, I think many know I have a high tolerance for alcohol...
always friends
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 04:26:23 PM
Don't know of anyone in the 56th who would bail... A few, meaning 2 or more. Say around 2 or when ever you started . And If the videos show you ditching a few times, then it's the same fight I was talking about and I am glad you still have them.
I am HUB. And I am thoroughly unimpressed.
I do! :devil
Video is nothing special, it shows the typical 56th vs Damned action. Lots of 47's diving into a 4v2, 2v1, 3v1, etc... with lots of blown-up P-47's. You collided with me while I was blacked out, after I had shot down Frenchy and B2B. That's likely what you mistook as a "ditch." Never fear, you died shortly thereafter. ;)
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: LilMak on September 09, 2015, 04:27:56 PM
So you're criticizing me for not fighting from a disadvantage when I have the option? That's relatively laughable, for two reasons: 1) The first being that you started on my six for about 8 of those 18 kills and were reversed in seconds (I'll post the films for you on my channel (http://www.youtube.com/skyyr)), and 2) the second because you're basically saying "Skyyr can fight when it's even, but he won't fight when it's not even."
Anyone who would criticize any other player for not fighting them from a disadvantage is a hypocrite, because by definition they themselves are starting with an advantage and are therefore not at a disadvantage.
I'll agree to those terms if you win. If you lose, well... ;)
As usual you missed the point. Or simply ignored it. Or twisted it to fit you're view. First, put the training wheels away for six months, then we'll duel. I don't think it's possible because your bruised ego wouldn't be able to handle it. If you can't run then you might actually HAVE to fight. But you simply don't like to lose which is why (no matter how many times you kill me 18-1 or 1,000,000-1) my 1 will always mean more to you than all your wins. You've demonstrated that on multiple occasions by the way you tantrum your way to revenge when I do catch and kill you.
Sorry for the derailment of the thread Fess. Yes bailing in lieu of fighting is pretty lame.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 04:30:18 PM
Be humble, Skyyr..... please. I know we haven't seen eye to eye, over the past year or two.....but uphold the "Damned" name please......
please don't attack Frenchy or Hub....
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 04:30:27 PM
As usual you missed the point. Or simply ignored it. Or twisted it to fit you're view. First, put the training wheels away for six months, then we'll duel. I don't think it's possible because your bruised ego wouldn't be able to handle it. If you can't run then you might actually HAVE to fight. But you simply don't like to lose which is why (no matter how many times you kill me 18-1 or 1,000,000-1) my 1 will always mean more to you than all your wins. You've demonstrated that on multiple occasions by the way you tantrum your way to revenge when I do catch and kill you.
Sorry for the derailment of the thread Fess. Yes bailing in lieu of fighting is pretty lame.
I wasn't aware P-38J's were "training wheel aircraft."
well, shout at me via text on here or call me....I will fly with a mouse only or with a CH Hotas, I do not really care..... just want to have some fun, Jon!....
see ya soon, cheers
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Jed on September 09, 2015, 04:49:12 PM
You and I both know what happened before the videos you have here. Which was my original point. I would bet you even have them still. Video is special, do share.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 05:00:24 PM
You and I both know what happened before the videos you have here. Which was my original point. I would bet you even have them still. Video is special, do share.
I would have to agree with Hub, here... I do not pull any punches, if Hub knows something is up about the videos, then please share..... that is the "Damned" way, in any case...
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: LilMak on September 09, 2015, 05:08:55 PM
Exactly. It actually was a pretty fun night. And you didn't even need a run machine to do it...until you got shot down and reverted back to the training wheels to teach me a lesson.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Jed on September 09, 2015, 05:13:22 PM
This game used to be full of people who enjoyed WWII aircraft more then the look at me shenanigans. It is a sad state...probably why I have only logged on 2-3 the last month
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 05:19:10 PM
This game used to be full of people who enjoyed WWII aircraft more then the look at me shenanigans. It is a sad state...probably why I have only logged on 2-3 the last month
honestly Hub, I've only logged on for the KOTH and one session of FSO......I seriouisly understand where you are coming from..
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: LilMak on September 09, 2015, 05:22:39 PM
This game used to be full of people who enjoyed WWII aircraft more then the look at me shenanigans. It is a sad state...probably why I have only logged on 2-3 the last month
Meh...There is/has always been one of two as far as I can remember and some of us Warbird lovers are still here.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: 49Dallas on September 09, 2015, 05:32:09 PM
With all due respect, sir, I don't run from you. In fact, here's the current tour record:
My kills (18 total): http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=89&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=28&kname=Skyyr http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=LilMak&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=102&kname=Ryyks
Your single kill: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/newscores/diedinp.php?playername=Skyyr&selectTour=LWTour188&pindex=42&kname=LilMak
So no, I don't run from you and have no reason to, unless you attempt a typical 2v1 or 3v1 (even then, I typically extend and kill you one by one, as seen here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEdNv7Kg1rQ)). I don't post any of this to inflame or even insult, I post it simply to set the record straight and to show that I actually don't run from combat, as I fly entirely for the purpose of fighter combat.
I'll state what I always state: if you feel that my kills on you are unfair, then you're welcome to go to the DA and we can have a same plane, co-alt, co-E duel - that's as fair as it can ever be. No interruptions, no friends to help, no ack to run to - nothing but your plane and your skill. There's nothing that I enjoy more than an balanced duel. You can even pick the planes. ;)
That being said, bailing out of a fighter to avoid a pure 1v1 when the sole purpose of upping the fighter was to find combat seems rather... unproductive. To each his own, I guess.
Ha. I remember when we were at about 20k. You in a Dora and me and Hack in pro model corsairs! You ran for 3 sectors, Extending and then HOing us. Eventually you decided to dive for your ack and having a (squadmate?) up to protect your landing. You eventually died in your ack.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: The Fugitive on September 09, 2015, 05:50:07 PM
Ha. I remember when we were at about 20k. You in a Dora and me and Hack in pro model corsairs! You ran for 3 sectors, Extending and then HOing us. Eventually you decided to dive for your ack and having a (squadmate?) up to protect your landing. You eventually died in your ack.
Notice the bolded parts. 2v1, 2x F4U's with alt vs a D9 with 100% fuel that was climbing out. I turned to fight one of you, and you kept running and trying to set me up for your wingman (you refused to engage 1v1). Eventually, your wingman died (2v1), and I only died because you collided with me, not because you managed to shoot me. Funny how the little details get left out. Regardless, a kill is a kill. ;)
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 06:06:30 PM
Sorry TC, that ship has long sailed. No one has any respect for the "Damned" these days. Old timers sure, new generation, no way, no how.
been down before a few times, I'm sure we will be back again, old timer/new timer regardless..... I might not see eye to eye with the newer Damned members to AH, but I am Damned sure they know where I stand and am coming from!!!!
we all have deviled thru this already... Fugi!
cheers
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Guppy35 on September 09, 2015, 06:23:12 PM
Amen to that. You want to talk WW2 aviation, I'm there :)
but Tiff, I never knew you was in warbirds while we flew AW and then converted to AH when AW, died..... but I truly understand where you are coming from....
mister nomad, heh! I miss the Nomads....<S> to the old Nomads
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Delirium on September 09, 2015, 07:22:10 PM
edit: deleted
I'm not going to comment.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 07:27:55 PM
This game used to be full of people who enjoyed WWII aircraft more then the look at me shenanigans.
It still is! We've always had the chest-pounders, but they're generally a small (but vocal!) minority. There are plenty of good folks and good fights in this game. Just don't get drawn into the occasional drama.
- oldman
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 08:16:09 PM
It still is! We've always had the chest-pounders, but they're generally a small (but vocal!) minority. There are plenty of good folks and good fights in this game. Just don't get drawn into the occasional drama.
- oldman
exactly, what oldman said!!!
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 08:18:43 PM
Sorry TC, that ship has long sailed. No one has any respect for the "Damned" these days. Old timers sure, new generation, no way, no how.
This is precisely why this thread is so ironic, coming from a member of this squad.
Just watch one twitch feed video and you'll see the exact same attitude the OP is complaining about demonstrated, and even boasted about, by their own CO. Running away to quickly ditch, then taunting on 200 "denied you a kill" and laughing about it on squad vox -- one unedited twitch film will show more of this attitude than you'll see in a week from others playing AH. I feel sorry for the OP, being too blinded by loyalty to see it, while goose-stepping along here on the BBS to the same old tune. Meanwhile the boss tries to chest-thump and deflect from the truth.
The really sad part is the repeated "we never start anything with other players" lie that is uttered over and over. The films show this is absolutely untrue. I've seen insulting new players on 200 completely unprovoked. I've seen targeting new players to vulch them repeatedly for easy kills because they don't know better. I've seen outright lies, baiting, insulting and excuses (lies even to his own squadmates) in nearly every film I've watched.
While I don't agree with the actions of the bailer, I do laugh at your reaction to it. Take a moment to reflect on the actions of yourself and your friends. You reap what you sow. In the meantime, I'll continue to laugh at and pity this hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Skyyr on September 09, 2015, 09:01:27 PM
Uh ... what my name is mentioned ... what ... eh? :headscratch:
I spoketh of your name and Nomde, I was not trying to drag you in to the BS drama of this thread, please note......
I just was looking for some action, 1 vs 1 or what ever....... I've logged out, kappa was busy with Anarchy in the DA and I went MA and died in the ack and then to something else while blackedout wounded.... jamming on the guitar now for a while....
cheers Frenchy,
TC
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Peanut1 on September 09, 2015, 10:59:53 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: FESS67 on September 09, 2015, 11:32:09 PM
This is precisely why this thread is so ironic, coming from a member of this squad.
Just watch one twitch feed video and you'll see the exact same attitude the OP is complaining about demonstrated, and even boasted about, by their own CO. Running away to quickly ditch, then taunting on 200 "denied you a kill" and laughing about it on squad vox -- one unedited twitch film will show more of this attitude than you'll see in a week from others playing AH. I feel sorry for the OP, being too blinded by loyalty to see it, while goose-stepping along here on the BBS to the same old tune. Meanwhile the boss tries to chest-thump and deflect from the truth.
The really sad part is the repeated "we never start anything with other players" lie that is uttered over and over. The films show this is absolutely untrue. I've seen insulting new players on 200 completely unprovoked. I've seen targeting new players to vulch them repeatedly for easy kills because they don't know better. I've seen outright lies, baiting, insulting and excuses (lies even to his own squadmates) in nearly every film I've watched.
While I don't agree with the actions of the bailer, I do laugh at your reaction to it. Take a moment to reflect on the actions of yourself and your friends. You reap what you sow. In the meantime, I'll continue to laugh at and pity this hypocrisy.
Thanks for bringing it back on topic Kingpin.
At the end of the day I stand by my belief that a bomb and bail fighter in a fighter combat game is really not a good thing to see. It is IMO against the spirit of the game and should be discouraged. Is ditching a plane the same? I don't think so but there are going to be many who disagree. I just think it is sad that a player (and IMO a skilled player) would do this.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: TequilaChaser on September 09, 2015, 11:41:54 PM
At the end of the day I stand by my belief that a bomb and bail fighter in a fighter combat game is really not a good thing to see.
I completely agree on this point.
Where you and I part ways, however, is when you walk lock-step with your CO to defend his similar actions and attitude. Yes, IMO ditching in the middle of combat in order to then thumb your nose on 200 and say "ha, ha, denied you a kill" is essentially the same thing, especially when it is clearly intended to upset the opponent. It is the identical attitude at play: trying to turn a loss into some kind of a "win". I'm sorry that you don't see it that way. However, as a 3rd party observer, with no ego or squad loyalties at stake, I can say his displays of this are the same, if not worse. Personally, I believe they are worse because they also involve continuous baiting, half-truths and even outright lies to others, including even you and your own squad-mates on squad vox. Again, the unedited films don't lie. It's certainly understandable; he is a skilled player who has a big ego to match. But I would never defend it. The bigger the ego, the more hypocritical and extreme the actions that ego can justify.
Actually, I agree with you on one other point: I too think it's sad that a player (and a skilled player) would do this. But now we're talking about a different player.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: glzsqd on September 10, 2015, 12:59:42 AM
Uggh another thread derailed into being about boring ol'Skyyr. Dont make me destroy this one as well
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Latrobe on September 10, 2015, 01:20:37 AM
This is precisely why this thread is so ironic, coming from a member of this squad.
Just watch one twitch feed video and you'll see the exact same attitude the OP is complaining about demonstrated, and even boasted about, by their own CO. Running away to quickly ditch, then taunting on 200 "denied you a kill" and laughing about it on squad vox -- one unedited twitch film will show more of this attitude than you'll see in a week from others playing AH. I feel sorry for the OP, being too blinded by loyalty to see it, while goose-stepping along here on the BBS to the same old tune. Meanwhile the boss tries to chest-thump and deflect from the truth.
The really sad part is the repeated "we never start anything with other players" lie that is uttered over and over. The films show this is absolutely untrue. I've seen insulting new players on 200 completely unprovoked. I've seen targeting new players to vulch them repeatedly for easy kills because they don't know better. I've seen outright lies, baiting, insulting and excuses (lies even to his own squadmates) in nearly every film I've watched.
While I don't agree with the actions of the bailer, I do laugh at your reaction to it. Take a moment to reflect on the actions of yourself and your friends. You reap what you sow. In the meantime, I'll continue to laugh at and pity this hypocrisy.
Completely agree with you Kingpin. I have had numerous occasions where I would kill Skyyr or he'd get a kill on me I wouldn't say a word to him and yet he's blowing up on 200 trying to start something. In fact, I don't remember ever having started anything with Skyyr or anyone from the Damned. It just happened out of no where one day that Skyyr openly started stuff with me just because I was a member of the Muppets. I had never spoken a word to him before that. I of course now do interact with Skyyr because catching him in his lies and watching him try to make up another lie is some of the most hilarious stuff I have ever seen in my time on this game.
Perhaps one of these days some people will realize that this is a video game and not real life and nothing in this video game really matters in the end.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: ebfd11 on September 10, 2015, 07:42:38 AM
Where you and I part ways, however, is when you walk lock-step with your CO to defend his similar actions and attitude. Yes, IMO ditching in the middle of combat in order to then thumb your nose on 200 and say "ha, ha, denied you a kill" is essentially the same thing, especially when it is clearly intended to upset the opponent. It is the identical attitude at play: trying to turn a loss into some kind of a "win". I'm sorry that you don't see it that way. However, as a 3rd party observer, with no ego or squad loyalties at stake, I can say his displays of this are the same, if not worse. Personally, I believe they are worse because they also involve continuous baiting, half-truths and even outright lies to others, including even you and your own squad-mates on squad vox. Again, the unedited films don't lie. It's certainly understandable; he is a skilled player who has a big ego to match. But I would never defend it. The bigger the ego, the more hypocritical and extreme the actions that ego can justify.
Actually, I agree with you on one other point: I too think it's sad that a player (and a skilled player) would do this. But now we're talking about a different player.
Please produce one example of anyone from our squad saying "denied you a kill," "haha ditched it," or anything remotely similar over 200 or PM. Just one. I have over 20 hours of straight unedited flight footage on my Twitch and YouTube, so it shouldn't be hard (and no, pointing out that we survived in response to someone claiming we were shot down 1 vs many doesn't count). Here's a hint: you can't.
Further, find one example of ANY of us ditching 1v1 in any fair fight. Again, you won't find it. See, the hypocrisy here is pretty much summed up by the image I posted and by comments made directly. Flying a P-47M and running, ditching, and even bailing 1v1 vs an LA-7, for example, is ok, because a 47 is a plane that reportedly takes "skill" while the LA-7 is not; flying an P-51D or Ta 152 and ditching against multiple enemies, however, is not acceptable, because one is a late war nitrous monster and the other is a supposedly easy-mode cannon bird that should have easily been able to handle hordes of higher, more maneuverable opponents.
The thought process that leads to this line of thinking is quite intriguing to me.
Now, regarding ditching: diving into a furball to assassinate a target and then ditching quickly? Yep, I've done that. Going into a 1 vs many, shooting as many as I can, and then sliding into a hangar? Yep, done that too. In fact, I don't know of a single player that won't do that at least a few times over their career. If you think that's a reflection of skill, however, the DA's open... and I think I've adequately proved my point there enough times.
Regardless of how you'd like to paint it, most players do and enjoy the same things we do. I said very little last night and simply watched smack talk fly back and forth for hours between entire squads (actual cursing and filter bypassing). I watched certain members in this thread run repeatedly from mid-war planes. I watched several pilots up from a capped base, kill, and then quickly ditch and jump in a wirble. Admittedly far worse than anything I've been accused of. Yet, somehow simply "gaming the game" is far more detrimental.
The reality is that there's many, many different ways to avoid combat. Some bail out, some attempt to gang you to avoid individual skill, and some just run to ack. I've uploaded a few more examples of this to my YouTube channel this morning, you might be interested in some of them.
FESS' point is that there's outrage over bomb and bailing, so why not this? The hypocrisy shown here is typical. To clarify, I personally think there's nothing wrong with it. It's a bit ironic that someone doesn't want to die to someone so they kill themselves, but hey - it's their $15 and they're free to do whatever they want with it. I'm just interested in watching the reasoning of how it's defended. Continue. :)
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: xbrit on September 10, 2015, 11:04:38 AM
Just an observation. A few weeks ago I managed a kill on SKyyr, no great skill on my part I had alt and E to spare and he was engaged to start off with so yes basically it was a pick. The next sortie he was over my base and killed me easily 1 vs 1, he was in a P38 this time. Others upped and Skyyr ended up with about 4 Vs 1 on him, he never tried to run and stayed with the fight using his alt for advantage against multiple badguys. Eventually someone got a shot onto his wing while he was low and yes he did manage to ditch it while being low and slow. I sent out a salute on 200 and said he did great given the numbers against him(none of the 4 were new guys) the only bad comments I got were from my own team mates for saying good stuff about him. One time I killed him when he was climbing out, after that I knew he was afk and sent him a message acknowledging this, soon after Kruel came in but I had the advantage we had a good fun fight and I got lucky to get the kill, we spoke on 200 and there was no posturing from either of us, just two guys had fun and talked about our mistakes rather than a whine session. Like I said it was just my observation, yes he's killed me plenty of times but I know it's a game so I expect to be killed at some point, if I didn't want to be killed I'd play offline. Yes he's got an ego but so have a lot of others even some who have commented about his in this thread.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Scca on September 10, 2015, 12:01:35 PM
Reading these threads is akin to watching greased up women fight in a mud pit.
No offense to anyone lol.
More like I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. - George Bernard Shaw
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 10, 2015, 12:17:16 PM
The best argument is that bombing and bailing when an enemy is approaching is non realistic and limits the players time in AH. So if we see a bomber going to kill down strats or attempt to kill HQ, we encourage players to up to kill them so they do not do any more damage. We need fighter interceptors to kill these guys. Instead, bombers just bail which causes the reaction of "well whats the point of intercepting if they will just bail". This creates people who don't want to up and waste 25 min to climb to stop the bombers. In a sense what you have are bombers gaming the game while doing destruction to the other team, which limits people's fun in AH. So not only are they wrecking strats, they are wrecking peoples time and fun and there is really no way to stop them or punish them for not flying well enough. So we are just going to have a bunch of bomber noobs tearing down strats who bail out and defeat the purpose people upping to defend. I'm sure HItech is aware and is doing things to limit this occurrence.
Ditching is perfectly fine. In a fight with multiple cons I always feel pleased if my plane is damaged and I can pull out a ditch. IMO it's hilarious.
Bailing in fighters is a bit different IMO. To me it is the same thing as running away. I was fighting a P51 the other day and the dude chased me to the deck for about 5 miles, I pull a reversal and got some hits on em and after a few go arounds I get on his 6 600 out. Of course my plane cannot catch him so he proceeds to be able to run away. I'm a love muffin so I called him out over 200 and told him to come back and fight 1v1 vs my 190A5. Which is actually a pretty good fight. He doesn't. So now I pulled off and go back to gain alt. I see him come back and dive 4k on top of him, of course he dives too and of course my plane still cant catch his. like a love muffin, I told him to keep running over 200. He then bails out of his plane to give me the kill because I was mean on 200. The guy would have actually saved me time and energy if he would have just bailed to begin with, instead of me trying to follow him in the chase. If you have to chase someone a sector away for a fight then you are wasting your time. In a sense, if you don't want to fight why are you playing the game? If you cannot handle being in a defensive state then you obviously have a lot more to learn. So if Fess was in a hurricane and the Dhog was running away, the situation would have been no different, the Hog would have flown away and Fess still would have wasted his time. In bombers, you cannot run away, so you either intentionally bail or have to be defense and that is the biggest difference besides spending 25 min to climb to appropriate alt.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Guppy35 on September 10, 2015, 01:43:06 PM
No one really dies, planes are in limitless supply. Shut up and fight...or not fight. I'm of the firm belief that nothing in the playing of the game will ever be earth shattering or life changing, beyond those divorces that have happened to those players who forgot about real life.
Let me be the first to acknowledge that you are the greatest cartoon fighter pilot who ever lived.
If that really matters to you, then my comment is for you.
If it doesn't than I imagine you could care less :)
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: nooby52 on September 10, 2015, 02:19:14 PM
<yawwwnnn> too much to read. think I'll just play.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Changeup on September 10, 2015, 02:52:26 PM
Uggh another thread derailed into being about boring ol'Skyyr. Dont make me destroy this one as well
My bet is if you try to do it the way you did the last thread you'll get your little tiny mind a PNG. Please try though. I will love to watch. Go ahead...
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: waystin2 on September 10, 2015, 03:25:03 PM
More like I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. - George Bernard Shaw
Hubba hubba! :D
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: glzsqd on September 10, 2015, 03:33:25 PM
How much? :devil
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: LilMak on September 10, 2015, 04:15:38 PM
"running, ditching, and even bailing 1v1" If this is directed at me, I assure you that you have no earthly idea what the heck you're talking about. My reputation as a dogfighter was built long before you ever considered joining this game.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Changeup on September 10, 2015, 05:22:30 PM
So you're threatening to type sexually explicit content to get a thread locked down because Skyyr was mentioned in it? for the second time?
Ha!!
How much you got?
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: glzsqd on September 10, 2015, 05:57:51 PM
I've got my favorite ball-gag and my heart on my sleeve!
But in all honesty, I'm starting to think you like me more than skyyr nowadays ;)
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: icepac on September 10, 2015, 06:23:42 PM
I bailed on skyyr 1 vs 1 after getting lucky in a I16 and shooting his ta152's rudder off but I had run into him as I was letting down to land and ran out of fuel shortly after.
He gave me grief for a bit but I'm sure he watched the film to confirm.
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Delirium on September 10, 2015, 08:54:24 PM
No one really dies, planes are in limitless supply. Shut up and fight...or not fight. I'm of the firm belief that nothing in the playing of the game will ever be earth shattering or life changing, beyond those divorces that have happened to those players who forgot about real life.
Let me be the first to acknowledge that you are the greatest cartoon fighter pilot who ever lived.
If that really matters to you, then my comment is for you.
If it doesn't than I imagine you could care less :)
God, it's annoying when someone posts something that makes perfect sense and puts things into perspective. There's nowhere to go. Reason in the face of hysteria. What's the world coming to?
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: hitech on September 11, 2015, 03:17:53 PM
The Bomband bail has been constant as long as I have played... One reason why people bomb and bail is because of the immense amount of perk points they have built up. Other than the B29 and Mossie what planes are you going to spend bomber perks on??? What I think needs to be implemented is perk certain bombers such as the 17, 24, and 26. Not too high but enough to where it will hurt their bomber perks. Then you might see a reduction after awhile of the bomb and bail and see them fight more to regain those lovely perks.
LawnDart
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: FESS67 on September 13, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
The Bomband bail has been constant as long as I have played... One reason why people bomb and bail is because of the immense amount of perk points they have built up. Other than the B29 and Mossie what planes are you going to spend bomber perks on??? What I think needs to be implemented is perk certain bombers such as the 17, 24, and 26. Not too high but enough to where it will hurt their bomber perks. Then you might see a reduction after awhile of the bomb and bail and see them fight more to regain those lovely perks.
LawnDart
Agreed that is an option. What got me though was that this was a bomb and bail F4U - and the reason given was simply "not going to give you any points!"
Title: Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
Post by: Squire on September 13, 2015, 06:09:31 PM
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Among other things, that's why you'll often see me in a Storch.
Oh ya pick the hot plane Bino! geez...you Luftwaffe guys.