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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: zack1234 on September 22, 2015, 01:38:11 AM
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Volkswagen... :rofl
I said last week German industry was a joke. :rofl
Its North Koreas fault :banana:
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Do tell. We're laughing, a bit over here in Ford Corporate.
My gosh, this little honesty and integrity thing seems to have come around and taken a nice semi-circular chunk out of their ample teutonic backsides.
That said, Toyota, Honda... yawn... unafraid. But the Koreans and VW AG? Present in every one of our markets and with a strong effort. Of course, the VW people do all their development centrally and only do the mfg engineering out in the bush.
Still, these cabbage crates always get my notice. I keep pushing our functional engineers, just as an example: "look at that Jetta's NVH dashpad. It's made of blown fiber and is as cheap as dirt. Yours is a two piece rubber and pressed foam work of art. Cheapen it up, for God's sake. You're eating into my bonus, you foolish boy scout."
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I was shaking my head when I heard this one. Seriously, talk about criminality - wt actual f were they thinking?
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Two world wars and now this :old:
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They stick their hands deep in corporates accounts to delay and patch this sinking ship. http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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wt actual f were they thinking?
They were thinking nobody else would be smart enough to catch them in the act. Lawyers are going to make a lot of money.
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Two world wars and now this :old:
Yes, yes, Zack. Still, you mustn't be bitter. After all, were it not for German direct investment, old blighty would be in some dire straits indeed, never mind the Raj and the Chinese.
What's left? Well, you could go back to an industrial policy, vote UKIP, and start mining coal again.
Of course, the thing still rankles. Next thing you know, they'll be foisting off their Ritter Sport like it were Cadbury... and never mind the wooden sense of humor. God, I've heard more clever jokes out of my dog's backside.
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Has it directly killed anybody yet unlike the GM ignition switch?
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Has it directly killed anybody yet unlike the GM ignition switch?
No. I guess that makes it okay. :banana:
OTOH, after this 7.3B steel eel, there may be a couple of deaths, or at least a call for a good old-fashioned hangin' or two.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/news/vw-recall-diesel/ (http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/22/news/vw-recall-diesel/)
As for me, I cannot speak publicly for my company... but, if this impacts VW share a bit, bonus time will be like... :cheers: :banana:
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It was inevitable that SOMEONE was going to go down at the hands of the EPA after all the negative press as of late in Colorado.
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Yes, yes, Zack. Still, you mustn't be bitter. After all, were it not for German direct investment, old blighty would be in some dire straits indeed, never mind the Raj and the Chinese.
What's left? Well, you could go back to an industrial policy, vote UKIP, and start mining coal again.
Of course, the thing still rankles. Next thing you know, they'll be foisting off their Ritter Sport like it were Cadbury... and never mind the wooden sense of humor. God, I've heard more clever jokes out of my dog's backside.
it was not German invest, it being told by te IMF to spread the yanky dollor around the EU.
Germany makes things
Britain has the City of London and provides cheap labor.
The rest of the EU countries sponge of the IMF.
The Eastern European countries grow turnips and blame everyone eles.
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Has it directly killed anybody yet unlike the GM ignition switch?
No, but it will surely become much bigger news in order to help bury that one. They were doing this for a while, same as GM was aware of their problem for a long time. I have heard much much more talk of stock prices over this than the GM issue though. And the more talk, the more they can affect it.
And no, it doesn't make it okay. These are hard set numbers, not towing capacity.
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Their cars pass the EPA's tests, but the EPA says that's not good enough. The problem here is that the EPA doesn't build tests as well as VW builds cars. At the risk of leaning on my american militarisms to hard, it sound's like the EPA needs to work on their statement of the tasks, conditions, and standards.
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Their cars pass the EPA's tests, but the EPA says that's not good enough. The problem here is that the EPA doesn't build tests as well as VW builds cars. At the risk of leaning on my american militarisms to hard, it sound's like the EPA needs to work on their statement of the tasks, conditions, and standards.
That's an understatement.
The EPA needs to be de-cleated to about 50% of its workforce. Do what American companies are doing which is "Do more with less" (That's the new motto)
Currently in the USA, there are 2 federal/state jobs to 1 manufacturing job. It's why we're quickly becoming a "service industry" country where minimum wage is king.
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That's an understatement.
The EPA needs to be de-cleated to about 50% of its workforce. Do what American companies are doing which is "Do more with less" (That's the new motto)
Currently in the USA, there are 2 federal/state jobs to 1 manufacturing job. It's why we're quickly becoming a "service industry" country where minimum wage is king.
I agree, Rip. However, as both I (sarcastically) and Jeep noted, noncompliance is a serious issue -whether anyone dies or not. It is also a separate issue to the one you cite, for FMVSS and emissions regs exist whether the US is heavy on the public employment side or not.
Speaking as an industry insider, do I think we're over regulated? Absolutely. But, again, that's a separate issue from whether or not non compliance is okay.
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That's an understatement.
The EPA needs to be de-cleated to about 50% of its workforce. Do what American companies are doing which is "Do more with less" (That's the new motto)
I'm all for abolishing the EPA, and the department of Education, and Labor.
All of these should be individual state issues/programs in my opinion. The more centralized and bloated any agency becomes, the less effective it is for the people.
Personally I know 2 people at work who own VWs affected by the recall. Neither of them plans to bring them in, because the "fix" means decreased fuel economy and power.
So the EPA will make VW be more environmentally friendly, by forcing them to make 400K some odd vehicles less fuel efficient.
Gee... that makes perfect sense. :rolleyes:
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Man, you're all idiots.
Don't like the EPA, go live in New Delhi or Beijing.
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Man, you're all idiots.
Don't like the EPA, go live in New Delhi or Beijing.
I'm quite happy in Alaska thank you.
I think you misunderstand me. I'm an honest to goodness tree-hugger, really I am. I have no problem with reasonable regulations to keep the environment clean. Yet... ... I don't like the EPA, because they actually suck at what they are supposed to do, they are a bloated federal bureaucracy that can't even keep it's own responsibilities clean... ahem*colorado river* It should be up to each state to define what level and kind of regulation works best for them.
In Alaska all the EPA does is tick people off because they are a bunch of desk jockeys from 5000 miles away who've never left the city and have no idea what works and what is needed here, yet they pass the regulations that we have to live with. Seriously they are trying to ban some wood burning stoves in the borough I live in. Guess what, winters up here are very long and very cold, and heating oil is very expensive. People HAVE to burn wood up here just to survive. Regulation of wood stoves in winter might work somewhere with mild winters, and cheap alternatives like parts of CA, NV, WA, UT... but in interior AK the idea is asinine. The more localized regulation is, the better it works.
They have a couple SUVs up here that drive around all winter taking air pollution measurements, so... they are combating pollution by... driving around all day. :rolleyes:
Trust me a bunch of suits in D.C. have no idea what life is really like here. Let us regulate ourselves locally, it'll all work out.
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Their cars pass the EPA's tests, but the EPA says that's not good enough. The problem here is that the EPA doesn't build tests as well as VW builds cars. At the risk of leaning on my american militarisms to hard, it sound's like the EPA needs to work on their statement of the tasks, conditions, and standards.
The vehicles only pass because the emission software in the vehicle changes when the vehicle is being tested.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/consumers-blindsided-by-volkswagen-s-emissions-test-rigging-1.3237589
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The vehicles only pass because the emission software in the vehicle changes when the vehicle is being tested.
Right. This was a deliberate scheme to fool the testing devices. VW isn't denying it. Pretty shabby.
- oldman
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I know. The objective is to pass the test, they passed. But I just read that the device they have installed is illegal in the US and Canada, so yeah they broke the rules in North America at least.
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Saggs, you folks in Alaska are not on your own planet. What you do effects everyone on this one. If you can't afford to heat your home using methods that don't foul the air, then move.
VW cheated and that cheating was a lie because they did not meet emission standards. They chose that path, it was not a mistake it was intentional. Now they will pay the price.
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South Park is sooooo gonna jump all over this one.
Repeat after me: We misinterpreted the rules.
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I wonder when the next companies will have to admit they did something similar. Two days ago I heard a 'denial' by Herr Zetsche of Daimler Benz which was so weak and hedged I would not be surprised if something will surface there, too
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Man, you're all idiots.
Don't like the EPA, go live in New Delhi or Beijing.
False dichotomy much?
I'll give you a better example of how the EPA fails in its primary mission. Consider that vehicles past a certain age are exempt from emissions regs yet emit at orders of magnitude greater than new production - and explicitly rejected curbside spectroscopy as a cost-effective means of monitoring "mega-emitters" (you've seen 'em on the road).
Why?
I have my own theories regarding the politics, lobbying, and entry barrier mechanics of this, but I'll leave you to your own conclusion
As for the diesel issue, yes, EPA is going to now investigate EVERYONE.
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That's an understatement.
The EPA needs to be de-cleated to about 50% of its workforce. Do what American companies are doing which is "Do more with less" (That's the new motto)
Currently in the USA, there are 2 federal/state jobs to 1 manufacturing job. It's why we're quickly becoming a "service industry" country where minimum wage is king.
We will all be riding around on old Roketa scooters and rickshaws before we know it, guess it beats walking.
:aok
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See Rule #14
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See Rule #14
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I wan in! Regulate wood burning stoves and maintain a flawed forest management plan. One of your nasty fires puts out made than all Alaska humans surviving. Makes me want to spit. Lol you sillys need a head check. Put your neighbor out of work america! Make him move! Its all you can do in your brain washed state of mind. With your high speed internet access and 50 minute commutes! Sad state were in where a grown man thing fine to walk on another Mans shrubbery. :old:
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Just one example on how ridiculous and incompetent the EPA is, they think they are above the law and your property rights don't matter.
Sackett v. EPA: How One Couple's Battle Against the Feds Might Protect Your Land (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40iHXAOjJ3U&index=4&list=PLBuns9Evn1w_mZTqwcBag2BCNZ4e6nJTb)
Back on the topic of VW diesels. How come VW diesels are safe in Europe, but not in the USA?
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Back on the topic of VW diesels. How come VW diesels are safe in Europe, but not in the USA?
Because European drivers.
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I wan in! Regulate wood burning stoves and maintain a flawed forest management plan. One of your nasty fires puts out made than all Alaska humans surviving. Makes me want to spit. Lol you sillys need a head check. Put your neighbor out of work america! Make him move! Its all you can do in your brain washed state of mind. With your high speed internet access and 50 minute commutes! Sad state were in where a grown man thing fine to walk on another Mans shrubbery. :old:
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Yes GHI, the U.S. government is the worst government the world has ever seen in the entire history of time and should immediately be disbanded along with all the agencies it created because you can always trust the individuals to do the right thing. Or we can trust all of the other countries in the world's governments because, well because they are just trustworthy.
Only the U.S. government has an unholy agenda. Everyone else is the good guys and the U.S. citizens are all stupid and want to be slaves. That's why we live here and seldom immigrate to other countries. All those people that want to immigrate to the U.S. are stupid and want to be slaves too.
Also, HiTech is paid by the U.S. government to create and run Aces High to keep us as docile as cattle, merrily playing computer games while the world goes to hell, in case you didn't know.
And...........you can visit the sun as long as you go there at night.
At last a colonial who has finally admitted everything is America's fault.
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And there's nothing you can do about it.
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"German Engineering" and "Clean Diesel" are now officially a meme.
youtube.com/watch?v=dKef1JFpiCA
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How come VW diesels are safe in Europe, but not in the USA?
Nope. VW admitted to doing this emissions cheat worldwide. The recall encompasses some 11 million cars worldwide.
At this point, diesel powered passenger cars reputation is shot once again in America.
VW should just ditch diesels altogether and just play catchup to Japanese & US in hybrid and electrification.
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Catch up?
1. My company's hybrids and electrics are world class. http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Hybrid-Cars/ (http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/Hybrid-Cars/)
2. AN earlier poster posted some erroneous info, perpetuating the myth that you somehow US buyers are shut out from buying higher mileage versions of the same cars. This is only partially true, and is driven as much by our market experience and testing and measure diffs as by anything else. http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091877_why-european-gas-mileage-ratings-are-so-high--and-often-wrong (http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1091877_why-european-gas-mileage-ratings-are-so-high--and-often-wrong)
No, sorry, we're not hiding a 200 mpg carburetor on you. In all my time in Research and Advanced, I could never find it. Take the tinfoil off your head.
Otherwise, that poster makes a valid point: many news stories are not covered well or at all by trad US Press. Try the British Press. Drudge carries all of them and functions as a fine clearinghouse for the various global news agencies.
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PJ_Godzilla works for Government Motors.
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PJ_Godzilla works for Government Motors.
Uh, no... ( :mad: ) I'm a FoMoCo MoFo. I'm a Global Subject Matter Expert in Design Efficiency and Global Product Development/Cost Process. Before that, I was a Research and Advanced guy doing off-board test software for our Fuel Cell Vehicle, before that a Vehicle Dynamicist. Those days were fun. Jackie Stewart nearly made me crap 'em doing some Transit testing one day.
One of my former mentors was Ulrich Eichhorn. He's at V-dub now (update: Ulrich bailed from V-Dub in '012 and is now part of VDA, the German Industry Board - guess he got out while the getting was good). I wonder what he's doing over there? Probably getting ready to take a bite on a big crap sandwich...
In any case, I always love it when outsiders start talking about things of which we in the industry are unaware. Don't think, btw, that we here are unaware of anything currently out there on the market - don't even assume we don't have a pretty good idea of what they (the competition) are working on.
See BMW TurboSteamer for a technology near and dear to my heart. I did a lot of research and cycle-mapping on that one. It's not a patentable architecture, mainly because the FE improvement potential of it has been demonstrated since about 1978 (Thermo Electron). F1 uses it currently - calls it KERS.
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No, sorry, we're not hiding a 200 mpg carburetor on you.
Yes, you are. Stop stonewalling.
- oldman (You got it from the aliens. Secret's been out for awhile.)
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Yes, you are. Stop stonewalling.
- oldman (You got it from the aliens. Secret's been out for awhile.)
It appears that Oldman might have a passing acquaintance with sarcasm. ;)
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Uh, no... ( :mad: ) I'm a FoMoCo MoFo. I'm a Global Subject Matter Expert in Design Efficiency and Global Product Development/Cost Process. Before that, I was a Research and Advanced guy doing off-board test software for our Fuel Cell Vehicle, before that a Vehicle Dynamicist. Those days were fun. Jackie Stewart nearly made me crap 'em doing some Transit testing one day.
One of my former mentors was Ulrich Eichhorn. He's at V-dub now (update: Ulrich bailed from V-Dub in '012 and is now part of VDA, the German Industry Board - guess he got out while the getting was good). I wonder what he's doing over there? Probably getting ready to take a bite on a big crap sandwich...
In any case, I always love it when outsiders start talking about things of which we in the industry are unaware. Don't think, btw, that we here are unaware of anything currently out there on the market - don't even assume we don't have a pretty good idea of what they (the competition) are working on.
See BMW TurboSteamer for a technology near and dear to my heart. I did a lot of research and cycle-mapping on that one. It's not a patentable architecture, mainly because the FE improvement potential of it has been demonstrated since about 1978 (Thermo Electron). F1 uses it currently - calls it KERS.
They moved on from kers, and are using ers now. Leaps and bounds better. But I will hand it to FoMoCo, they are ahead of the big three by far in overall styling of their cars (trucks don't count, they're trucks) as well as having a couple fingers on the pulse, i.e. Focus ST. Strangely, the Mazda versions, such as the mx6, are better looking than their near exact counterparts, in this case the Fusion. A good looking car, to be sure, but the 6 is....more sleek? Something...
Be that as it may, but VW will almost surely pay more for this than GM did for their part in over 100 deaths. 900m for GM vs possible 18b for VW
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Thanks for the good words, jeep. I have grown to love that company over the decades -and a big part of why we're making better stuff, imj, is that lunatic car guys have wrested control from the beanies. It's about cool product and bang for the buck (cost still matters, but only if the content is solid). I feel good about every day at work no matter where I'm at in the global empire. Blue Oval uber alles!
Alas, you are probably right about the relative penalties, but GM had some bedfellows, let's call it... I suspect the Deutschers will nerf the internal penalties themselves, but it remains to be seen.
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Laughed my balls off.
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I wonder how much the price of a VW will drop after this?
The old 2000 Buick century is going to hell, might be time to go car shopping :D
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Do tell. We're laughing, a bit over here in Ford Corporate.
My gosh, this little honesty and integrity thing seems to have come around and taken a nice semi-circular chunk out of their ample teutonic backsides.
That said, Toyota, Honda... yawn... unafraid. But the Koreans and VW AG? Present in every one of our markets and with a strong effort. Of course, the VW people do all their development centrally and only do the mfg engineering out in the bush.
Still, these cabbage crates always get my notice. I keep pushing our functional engineers, just as an example: "look at that Jetta's NVH dashpad. It's made of blown fiber and is as cheap as dirt. Yours is a two piece rubber and pressed foam work of art. Cheapen it up, for God's sake. You're eating into my bonus, you foolish boy scout."
Seriously? Ford Corporate and you laughing??
Are you too young to remember the Ford Pinto scandal?
Executive and Integrity are mutually exclusive terms.
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Ah yes the Pinto.
http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/58443/car_parts/auto_industry_cover_ups_not_uncommon.html
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Seriously? Ford Corporate and you laughing??
Are you too young to remember the Ford Pinto scandal?
Executive and Integrity are mutually exclusive terms.
I remember it well - though I was pretty young at the time. Regardless, I reject the narrative that Executive and Integrity are mutually exclusive. I'm, in fact, pretty certain that most people around here (and there are always exceptions, but you can say that about any group of people) actually do act with integrity. My own thinking is that screwing the customer or the public in general isn't just bad karma, it's a path to bankruptcy. But then, we've been burned a few times, both by the market and by legal issues. It might just be that the leadership here and now was conditioned by those bad past experiences (consider that one of the things you need to display to get a leadership position around here is a record of pushing back on leadership) , in which case, it's probably time for a shakeup at VW.
I'd add, I don't think its any different for anyone else. The human animal seems to step easily from prosperity to hubris. Once an individual stops owning his BS and believing it instead, he's headed for a fall. It's a perpetual war for your soul, which is why I love AH, even though I couldn't hit anything last night (my gunnery sucks some times).
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Now I will have to buy a used TDI to get one that hasn't been detuned.
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Emissions are controlled by CDI?
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Everybody gets a "K" car :old:
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Saw some motoring journalist being interviewed on a news channel. He said falsifying performance data is widespread throughout the industry. The authorities he claimed are aware of it but prefer to let it go. The only honest car maker he thought was Honda.
It seems to me that the current rage for environmentally friendly cars is to blame. There seems to be unrealistic expectations.
I imagine other manufacturers are now looking nervously over their shoulders.
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True story.
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Try it with Golf and Polo - they are after all German cars, and you know how the Germans like their "sport"...
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or with the mopars:
Charger, Challenger, Avenger...
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Anal Avenger... Now there's a super hero! :uhoh
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Anal Avenger... Now there's a super hero! :uhoh
Sounds like a movie that has ron jeremy in it