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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: caldera on October 28, 2015, 12:43:53 PM
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Over the years, I have seen many F4U drivers complain about the views from their favorite plane. They don't know how good they have it.
Let's set the record straight, shall we?
All of these screenshots were taken in the Late War Arena, at the same field and on the same runway. These views are all easily duplicated with the arrow keys and the pgup/pgdown keys on your keyboard. Set up your view, hold and hit F10 key to save the view.
Six views:
1A six: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-%20back.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-%20back.jpg.html)
-1 six: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back.jpg.html)
F6 six: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back.jpg.html)
Both of the Corsairs have a full rear view to at least one side, depending if you set the view to favor right or left side. The Hellcat's tail has a huge blind spot, especially the low six. Adjusting the Hellcat's six view to favor one side like in the Corsair, results in an even worse view than having it centered.
High six views:
1a high six: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-%20back%20up.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-%20back%20up.jpg.html)
-1 high six: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back%20up.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back%20up.jpg.html)
F6 high six: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back%20up.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back%20up.jpg.html)
This is the only view that puts the Hellcat even with the Corsair, arguably superior, due to no bars off to the side.
Back left views:
1a back left: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-back%20left.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-back%20left.jpg.html)
-1 back left: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back%20left.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back%20left.jpg.html)
F6 back left: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back%20left.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back%20left.jpg.html)
This is where the Corsair's views absolutely trounce the Hellcat's. Not even a contest here. The F6 pilot cannot see his v-stab at all.
Back right views:
1a back right: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-%20back%20right.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1a%20-%20back%20right.jpg.html)
-1 back right: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back%20right.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f4u1%20-%20back%20right.jpg.html)
F6 back right: (http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o460/caldera_08/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back%20right.jpg~original) (http://s343.photobucket.com/user/caldera_08/media/F6F%20vs%20F4U%20views/f6f%20-%20back%20right.jpg.html)
Same as back left.
As a Corsair driver, you should use the back left/right views and ignore the straight back view to get rear views as good as almost every plane in the game.
And stop crying. :neener:
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As I always say:- Fly the F6F......you'll never look back. :D
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As I always say:- Fly the F6F......you'll never look back. :D
And even if you do look back. You still wont see anything. :D
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Open canopy ..... (oh wait). ;)
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I think my F6F views are set up better that that. Here's 8 views:
Direct 6. Actually not much different than what you posted:
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Rear_zpsj7n1qp3o.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Rear_zpsj7n1qp3o.jpg.html)
These next two aren't actually set but I use my keypad for views and always have my thumb near the arrows so these are easy to get to and I quickly flip from side to side through my direct six view to get a total picture.
Rear View with Left Arrow:
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Rear%20Left%20Arrow_zpsrsmmjgpt.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Rear%20Left%20Arrow_zpsrsmmjgpt.jpg.html)
Rear View with Right Arrow:
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Rear%20Right%20Arrow_zpsjs5ypwgg.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Rear%20Right%20Arrow_zpsjs5ypwgg.jpg.html)
Back to set views.
Back Left:
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Rear%20Left_zpsrbc8tivb.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Rear%20Left_zpsrbc8tivb.jpg.html)
Back Right:
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Rear%20Right_zpsfvcrgkik.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Rear%20Right_zpsfvcrgkik.jpg.html)
Back Up (yours might even be better than mine here):
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Rear%20Up_zpsfhtglzfd.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Rear%20Up_zpsfhtglzfd.jpg.html)
Back Up Left:
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Left%20Up_zpsluamsw3v.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Left%20Up_zpsluamsw3v.jpg.html)
Back Up Right:
(http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww72/imbe/Right%20Up_zpsnce6wz6x.jpg) (http://s707.photobucket.com/user/imbe/media/Right%20Up_zpsnce6wz6x.jpg.html)
I don't really feel I miss anything. It was far worse in the past before HT tweaked the rear views on the Hellcat and frankly, if someone can sneak into the small spot you might not be able to see you probably have bigger SA issues.
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I don't like the high 6 view in the F4U cuz of the armor. Other than that its not bad.
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I don't like the high 6 view in the F4U cuz of the armor. Other than that its not bad.
That's not an armor plate over the pilot's head, it was just there to protect the canopy as it slides back when opened. Later 1Ds and most -4s removed it altogether.
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Keep your enemy in front of you - problem solved. :old:
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That's not an armor plate over the pilot's head, it was just there to protect the canopy as it slides back when opened. Later 1Ds and most -4s removed it altogether.
Not arguing, but this book says different https://books.google.com/books?id=0cBnBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=canopy+plate+f4u&source=bl&ots=7q_xJqiUVx&sig=qGEo_YdhMLisIbr1mEVlsBGCWtA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEMQ6AEwCGoVChMI_vKo3-LnyAIVwtIeCh3KoAre#v=onepage&q=canopy%20plate%20f4u&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=0cBnBwAAQBAJ&pg=PA32&lpg=PA32&dq=canopy+plate+f4u&source=bl&ots=7q_xJqiUVx&sig=qGEo_YdhMLisIbr1mEVlsBGCWtA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CEMQ6AEwCGoVChMI_vKo3-LnyAIVwtIeCh3KoAre#v=onepage&q=canopy%20plate%20f4u&f=false)
As does this book http://www.jasonblair.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pilots-Manual-for-F4U-Corsair-Aviation-Pubs-1977.pdf (http://www.jasonblair.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Pilots-Manual-for-F4U-Corsair-Aviation-Pubs-1977.pdf) (page 7).
Thoughts?
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That plate is just sheet aluminum, which means it's only armor against spitballs and rubber bands.
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Here are images from a real F6f-5. The Bradly Field air museum in CT was kinda enough to take them for me.
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5a.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5b.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5c.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5d.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5e.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5f.jpg)
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That plate is just sheet aluminum, which means it's only armor against spitballs and rubber bands.
Then one has to ask, "why does the pilot manual call it armor?". <shrug> I don't know
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Here are images from a real F6f-5. The Bradly Field air museum in CT was kinda enough to take them for me.
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5a.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5b.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5c.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5d.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5e.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5f.jpg)
Now THAT'S what's up!!! Outstanding pics!
Love my blue kitty!!!
:rock
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Then one has to ask, "why does the pilot manual call it armor?". <shrug> I don't know
As if tank armor and aircraft armor are equivalent. :old: :airplane: :bolt:
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Here are images from a real F6f-5. The Bradly Field air museum in CT was kinda enough to take them for me.
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5a.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5b.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5c.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5d.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5e.jpg)
(http://michael-elliott.com/images/F6F-5f.jpg)
Those match up pretty close with the AH Hellcat. You wouldn't happen to have similar pics from a real Corsair, perchance? Would love to see how it compares to our cartoon version.
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Those match up pretty close with the AH Hellcat. You wouldn't happen to have similar pics from a real Corsair, perchance? Would love to see how it compares to our cartoon version.
Thanks sir. No sorry they dont have an F4u there.
I had these taken when the last update was done on the F6 and visibility "seemed" inhibited. I wanted to know what the difference between RL F6 and the AH F6. So you can see AH did a really good job on aligning the F6 rear views to the actual WWII RL view!
Kudos to AH for their level of detail! :aok
EDIT: I do have access to an F4f Wildcat if you guys want me to get pix of the views on this. My hunch is though that AH nailed it there too.
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Thanks sir. No sorry they dont have an F4u there.
I saw an XF4U-4 there. It's the third one built. It's still on the website. XF4U-4 (http://www.neam.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=109)
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I saw an XF4U-4 there.
Nice! Lets see if we can get them to take the shots.
I did not see it when I was there. BTW, I had family members that actually worked there during WWII. They had many stories from those days.
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the f6 view restrictions are one of the few planes in ah with almost accurate rear view limitations... you simply can not see whats back there behind the bulkhead.
the way AH allows you to put your point of view up against the instrument panel in most virtual cockpits is not what I would call realistic.
the sense of claustrophobia and scale of the cockpit is lost and the view restrictions minimized artificially.