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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: bacon8tr on October 28, 2015, 10:50:28 PM
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Yes, I know many consider it junk. Getting that out of the way here is my issue. The ONLY stick I ever used here was my Saitek Av8r. It fought the virtual skies for close to eight years and recently, put it to pasture. I rushed out and bought the only stick I could find, the logitech.
It is killing me! Ive never been the greatest stick, but had reached the point where I could give a good fight. I love the A5 and flew it 90 percent of the time. I can't now. The specific issue I am having is im heavy handed with rudder. It's not intentional, but it is killing my gunnery. Being parked D250 behind someone and hitting just air is nerve racking. Ive played with the scaling,deadband,dampering etc...if anything I am making it worse. Never really cared about K/D. However, comparing this tour to past tours is very telling. I get it to either to "loose" or to "tight". I cant find the sweet spot. :bhead Any help??
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I don't consider the 3D Pro junk. I used one for quite a few years. :rock
I would stick with the dampening. Maybe just a touch of dead-band, since it is a twisty.
It don't take much adjustment, but just a little to ease the heaviness of the hand.
Good luck.
Coogan
(edit: for spelling)
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A new stick always require some time of adjustment in the beginning. I used my 3d pro along with pedals and x52 throttle and it works pefect. I dont like the "rubber band" sensitivity that is the standard. (feels like there are rubber bands connecting stick and control surfaces). So I had full scaling all over, a very small dead band and maybe 20% dampening.
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Thanks for the replies gents. I will keep tinkering with it. :salute
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I use the same one. I've found that over time, subtle adjustments to the dampening scale (especially for rudder), dead band (for jittery signs of aging), and the scaling (it helps with the jitters and sporadic inputs).
Trial and error is the only way to go on this one.
There are days when I am sure it's the joystick... then I remember, i'm not that good. :devil
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take it, throw it out the windows, and then buy a T16000
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take it, throw it out the windows, and then buy a T16000
Then go outside, bring it in and use it as a left side throttle and button controller.
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:rofl. Thanks for the info and insight. :cheers:
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That's what I'm using right now and it works great except when I'm trying to shoot my nose is like :banana:
This is the second twisty I've tried. I have a few more sticks to try yet and pedals to try but I'll try to find out where I can dampen it..before I go insane and throw it out the window. I even considered calibrating it without rudder input :mad:
pretty close to SirNuke's advice.
So for the game it has calibrate joystick. you like stir then twist and then throttle and click ok.
Where are the rest of the adjustments at? dampening? :joystick:
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In the controller setup click the advanced tab. For starters set default scaling for pitch and rudder, no scaling on roll. Use no damping, it makes the control mushy, use the minimum deadband that keeps the autopilot on.
If you are trimmed for your speed you may be crossing the center point of the stick when adjusting your fire, if you have dead band it will interfere with smoothness. Try trimming nose down so you can adjust the nose position without crossing a dead spot.
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Okay I'm sure once I get in there and start doing this, what you said will make sense or I'll just starting adjusting stuff till it stops being so hateful.
Thanks for the help again.
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In the controller setup click the advanced tab. For starters set default scaling for pitch and rudder, no scaling on roll. Use no damping, it makes the control mushy, use the minimum deadband that keeps the autopilot on.
If you are trimmed for your speed you may be crossing the center point of the stick when adjusting your fire, if you have dead band it will interfere with smoothness. Try trimming nose down so you can adjust the nose position without crossing a dead spot.
I agree that the dampening gave the plane a mushy feel.
I did however, use a good bit of dead-band. That helped keep the rudder from kicking in while
doing a lot of pitching and banking.
Coogan
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I agree that the dampening gave the plane a mushy feel.
I did however, use a good bit of dead-band. That helped keep the rudder from kicking in while
doing a lot of pitching and banking.
Coogan
Good point. I should have mentioned deadband is good for the rudder, especially if you have a twisty stick.
Okay I'm sure once I get in there and start doing this, what you said will make sense or I'll just starting adjusting stuff till it stops being so hateful.
Thanks for the help again.
There's a help video. Controller Setup (https://youtu.be/bH-ne1sdiI0)
If you have a question about my controller advice I can probably answer it.
Training is available which may save you some time getting back up to speed and might also benefit the new player you're helping.
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Okay watching video
I got all of the way to the end and it told me that advanced is covered in a diff video :x
So I'm trying to find that..
can't find that so I'm gonna wing it.
I have suggested training to the newb and got no response so far. Thank you for the offer. I'll keep trying.
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Okay watching video
I got all of the way to the end and it told me that advanced is covered in a diff video :x
So I'm trying to find that..
can't find that so I'm gonna wing it.
I have suggested training to the newb and got no response so far. Thank you for the offer. I'll keep trying.
The advanced stick video is on hold until we get AH3 all figured out as all the videos are going to have to be redone for AH3.
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Okay watching video
I got all of the way to the end and it told me that advanced is covered in a diff video :x
So I'm trying to find that..
can't find that so I'm gonna wing it.
I have suggested training to the newb and got no response so far. Thank you for the offer. I'll keep trying.
I don't think Skuzzy made the second one yet.
This shows the advanced settings page if you haven't seen it. Note the flight controls tab on the left for the full instructions.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/flight-controls/detailed-joystick-settings
If you watch your aircraft control surfaces move as you move your stick you'll see that the rudder moves slower than your controller.
This means that quick rudder reversals may not register as full deflections so rudder input should not be too quick. Don't blame the stick, it's in the code.
When you're very fast the ailerons will have limited and slower movement from the higher air pressure.
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rgr thanks
The advanced stick video is on hold until we get AH3 all figured out as all the videos are going to have to be redone for AH3.
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Okay yes I found the advanced area which was on the mapping controller and selected the rudder input and that allowed me to make adjustments. So I made some and tested and made some more and tested.
I think what I'm seeing is when I try to suddenly aim at something and I use the twist, the nose tends to wag back and forth before it settles down where I pointed it to. Which is fine if the object can't move. The same if I twist and then just release it, it just wags a bit before it gets back to center.
I'm not sure these adjustment will fix that. Or if they will, how to do that. I don't want to dampen overall movement because I don't want to have to move the stick a lot to get a response. If I'm constantly trying to aim at something and using the twist, sometimes it will wag back and forth badly the whole time I'm trying to aim. wag = like a dogs tail.
I need a wag adjustment. Is there anything that can do that without reducing my stick control so I can still have full range of movement?
I don't think Skuzzy made the second one yet.
This shows the advanced settings page if you haven't seen it. Note the flight controls tab on the left for the full instructions.
http://www.hitechcreations.com/flight-controls/detailed-joystick-settings
If you watch your aircraft control surfaces move as you move your stick you'll see that the rudder moves slower than your controller.
This means that quick rudder reversals may not register as full deflections so rudder input should not be too quick. Don't blame the stick, it's in the code.
When you're very fast the ailerons will have limited and slower movement from the higher air pressure.
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You might want to do some scaling. There's several ways to do it, every one is correct for someone. A linear scaling means that every move gives an equal response - does that make sense? I mean, if you tilt your stick 10% of its potential, the corresponding flying surface movement will be 10% of its potential. However, you can set the scaling in steps, meaning that in the middle a 10% movement will only have like a 5% effect. For continuity, either set the sliders in a linear pattern slanted from your desired middle action to the top in the right corner, or in an exponential curve if you so wish.
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Neither deadband, nor damping will inhibit full range motion of any control surface. They just modify how they get there.
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Okay I was able to borrow some rudder pedals and that seems to be the way. Very smooth with zero wag, just awkward using my feet.
So I'd recommend pedals to whomever suffers from this. Saitek Pro Pedals are the ones that I tried. So i have a purchase to make :)
Thanks to everyone for helping me. I'll be checking out those other videos too.
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Okay yes I found the advanced area which was on the mapping controller and selected the rudder input and that allowed me to make adjustments. So I made some and tested and made some more and tested.
I think what I'm seeing is when I try to suddenly aim at something and I use the twist, the nose tends to wag back and forth before it settles down where I pointed it to. Which is fine if the object can't move. The same if I twist and then just release it, it just wags a bit before it gets back to center.
I'm not sure these adjustment will fix that. Or if they will, how to do that. I don't want to dampen overall movement because I don't want to have to move the stick a lot to get a response. If I'm constantly trying to aim at something and using the twist, sometimes it will wag back and forth badly the whole time I'm trying to aim. wag = like a dogs tail.
I need a wag adjustment. Is there anything that can do that without reducing my stick control so I can still have full range of movement?
I think the wag, some people refer to it as nose bounce, is caused by the flight model physics. You disrupt the aircraft stability with control input and the momentum causes the wag. If you are flying with the controls near centered and have a deadband, crossing the deadband can cause you to over-control because for an instant there is no response to your input so you add more. Grabbing a shot tends to cause bounce, smooth flying should give you a stable shot.
The rudder pedals will help. :aok
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Thanks! :aok
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That wag is exactly my dilema. It is very noticeable with the 190's. Why oh why did my trusty old saitek have to give up the ghost.......
The new stick is getting there, but I may need therapy. Trying to groove a new stick and unlearn years of muscle memory is a daunting task.
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Try a loose grip. Think smooth. Stop scowling. :D
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Exactly I'm trying to fly the 190 A8 and i'ts all over the place. You can either fly it with like just your thumb and pointer finger and forget rudder OR get some pedals is my thoughts.
I feel your pain, still trying to get it back after like a decade off and the hardware isn't being cooperative.
That wag is exactly my dilema. It is very noticeable with the 190's. Why oh why did my trusty old saitek have to give up the ghost.......
The new stick is getting there, but I may need therapy. Trying to groove a new stick and unlearn years of muscle memory is a daunting task.
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Try the A5? It's a nicer ride than the A8. Lighter machines guns but you still have the 20mm.
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I haven't tried it yet, I'm still stuck on the A8's nostalgic value.
I'm sure I'll check it out at some point, I'm trying to fly all of them (except the P38) to see what they can do so I'll know how to kill them in my A8.
I also need to setup a poster for training that shows how to fight each plane versus the P51 for my newb. So I'll have to check them all out.