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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: kilz on November 20, 2015, 02:02:52 PM
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From some digging around I'm told I would need the gtx 980 with at least 2gb just to run ah3 smooth .That's like 550 to 600 bucks .
Does anyone know if that price will be dropping soon?
I haven't played in 3 years and my old tower is shot .Was considering building a new one until I heard that news. 550-650 for a video card is about half the price it would cost me to build a tower .
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If you are sticking with 1080p resolutions, the NVidia 970 should be plenty to handle AH3 with almost all the bells and whistles on (environmental mapping will still choke most video cards).
But it is still ALPHA. We are not done yet. People talking about the hardware requirements for AH3 are being VERY premature. We have no idea what the final requirements will be yet.
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Roy your still making me cry lol.
How long till I have to upgrade if I buy the 980
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We still have a Beta period to go through.
Also consider this. If you have a solid dual core 3Ghz CPU with plenty of system RAM (8GB or more), then all you may really need is a new video card.
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If you have a solid dual core 3Ghz CPU with plenty of system RAM (8GB or more), then all you may really need is a new video card.
That being the case, people should be looking at this chart: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
If your CPU scores high on that (and is at least a dual-core), then you should be good to go. If not, get the chip highest on that chart that you can afford. The Pentium G3258 looks like a particularly good value in this regard (but personally I like a quad-core so I can do other things like encode video).
I would really try to at least get something like the i3-6100, which uses the latest motherboard tech, has hyperthreading, and isn't too much more expensive than the Pentium G series. Wouldn't go with AMD because their individual core speeds are really bad as evidenced on that chart. You can do significantly better, even for the money, with Intel.
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That being the case, people should be looking at this chart: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
If your CPU scores high on that (and is at least a dual-core), then you should be good to go. If not, get the chip highest on that chart that you can afford. The Pentium G3258 looks like a particularly good value in this regard (but personally I like a quad-core so I can do other things like encode video).
I would really try to at least get something like the i3-6100, which uses the latest motherboard tech, has hyperthreading, and isn't too much more expensive than the Pentium G series. Wouldn't go with AMD because their individual core speeds are really bad as evidenced on that chart. You can do significantly better, even for the money, with Intel.
Thank you for that info
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From some digging around I'm told I would need the gtx 980 with at least 2gb just to run ah3 smooth .That's like 550 to 600 bucks .
Does anyone know if that price will be dropping soon?
I haven't played in 3 years and my old tower is shot .Was considering building a new one until I heard that news. 550-650 for a video card is about half the price it would cost me to build a tower .
as i mention before i have a nice MB i will sell cheap and i have given you 3 good options for a cpu 1 of which was mention on this thread ( Pentium G3258 ). as Skuzzy said the nivida 970 will handle the next AH 3 which runs in the $300 range. http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-Quieter-Graphics-04G-P4-2974-KR/dp/B00NVODXR4/ref=lp_284822_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1448166912&sr=1-2
about all you will need for a new system is a power supply and ram and a case to put it all in . my guess is with all of the above info you could put together a new system for around $500 to $600 tops for everything but the windows OS.
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That being the case, people should be looking at this chart: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
If your CPU scores high on that (and is at least a dual-core), then you should be good to go. If not, get the chip highest on that chart that you can afford. The Pentium G3258 looks like a particularly good value in this regard (but personally I like a quad-core so I can do other things like encode video).
I would really try to at least get something like the i3-6100, which uses the latest motherboard tech, has hyperthreading, and isn't too much more expensive than the Pentium G series. Wouldn't go with AMD because their individual core speeds are really bad as evidenced on that chart. You can do significantly better, even for the money, with Intel.
I have built both Intel and AMD systems.....but going by that Intel biased chart........... my AMD Phenom II 975 BE quad core, which is way down at the bottom, runs circles around my Intel i7-2600K which is way up the chart a good ways and my AMD FX4350 BE quad core ( which is not as good as my phenom II 975 ) holds par to my Intel i7.....
I admit, Intel is great at doing video editing, etc.... but I haven't had an intel system yet be able to keep up with any AMD system I've had that I used to do AutoCAD work on
and as far as these flight sim games, in Air Warrior, I had to use a batch file to slow the processing down back in the mid 90's, and I haven't had an Intel out preform an AMD system since HTC was in beta and I had an overclocked Intel Celeron 333 running AH with a 16 meg videocard..... ( I think the total Aces High game download was something like 12 to 14 MB's back then )
for certain things intel is great ( work related ) and for other work related stuff AMD is great........ but to click on that intel biased link above, bout has me laughing so hard I can barely stay balanced in my chair.....
some might call me an AMD Fanboi, but I am not.... I use both AMD and Intel systems, depending on what I am doing or working on........( not so much these days since I am now disabled and retired.........but old colleagues and corporations still call on me when they get in a jam or need a fresh look at a problem )
TC
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I have built both Intel and AMD systems.....but going by that Intel biased chart........... my AMD Phenom II 975 BE quad core, which is way down at the bottom, runs circles around my Intel i7-2600K which is way up the chart a good ways and my AMD FX4350 BE quad core ( which is not as good as my phenom II 975 ) holds par to my Intel i7.....
You're the only one that believes that to be true.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4310/amd-phenom-ii-x4-980-black-edition-review/9
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/core-i5-2500k-vs-phenom-ii-x4-975-be-cpu-review/16
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=663&Itemid=63&limit=1&limitstart=12
I could go on, there's pages and pages of links to reviews on Google. Unless you're going to tell me that every review site on the internet is Intel biased, you're just wrong. All of AMD's CPUs stink at single-thread performance compared to what Intel offers at the same price. Even the Black Edition, which no one should buy.
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MSI 980 newegg $439 should, will run 1440 just fine...... can't afford a monitor big enough to do 4K....
:airplane:
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I have not checked on the price of the new ASUS 20th anniversary 980 Ti, but if I was looking I would get one of them.
https://www.techpowerup.com/217884/asus-announces-geforce-gtx-980-ti-20th-anniversary-gold-edition.html
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I'm about to pull the trigger on a new build and am going to put a 970 in it. They're around the $300 range.
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You're the only one that believes that to be true.
very doubtful, most just don't feel like arguing with a cynical person..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4310/amd-phenom-ii-x4-980-black-edition-review/9
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/core-i5-2500k-vs-phenom-ii-x4-975-be-cpu-review/16
http://archive.benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=663&Itemid=63&limit=1&limitstart=12
again, rolling out of my chair laughing because the 2nd link you posted is infused with intel money, because of that big arse intel advertisement...
as far as anandtech goes, I actually read that website a lot and btw, I did not say crap about a suckarse AMD phenom II 980, in which I knew better than purchase..
I could go on, there's pages and pages of links to reviews on Google. Unless you're going to tell me that every review site on the internet is Intel biased, you're just wrong. All of AMD's CPUs stink at single-thread performance compared to what Intel offers at the same price. Even the Black Edition, which no one should buy.
1st off, you are the one who everytime someone says anything regarding AMD, you post a reply that talks crap about AMD and blow your holy whistle horn about Intel...
fact is, I use both Intel and AMD, dufus, and I even said Intel is good at things.... but I will not fall for the BS cpu benchmarks because Intel is built and functions differently than AMD, until people start realizing this, they will never understand why Intel is always out performing AMD on these bloody cpu benchmark charts......
lets try Real World on for size, I been computing and building computers since something like 85/86? and I have seen when Intel blow-ed AMD or Cirius, etc away and I have seen the other side when AMD, Cirrius, etc has blown Intel away....( I am in the early 90's thru 2000+ here )....
edit:I must add..... I have worked with apple computers also, My Mom and Dad's trucking company hauled Macintosh and Apple I and Apple II computers to military bases back in the 80's..... I have had a few good mac's as well....
until you yourself has built 90+or a 100 or more computers, both Intel and AMD ( probably 38/39% Intel to the rest AMD) and have run the numbers and seen the actual real life outcome, please STFU........
If someone wants to build an Intel system, Great more power to them, and if they want to build an AMD system, that is fine too.... but quit pulling BS internet crap reports where the cpu benchmark software will always favor the Intel more times than not....
also, go reread the damn links you posted, and please cut and paste to your reply, where some of the AMD cpu's tested beat out the Intel cpu's.....
in closing, my AMD Phenom II 975 X4 has clocked out back in 2011 at 5.1+ GHz for 12+ hours on prime95 running on air cool, the same test was run on my Intel i7-2600K and it was running at 5.1 GHz air cooled........ btw I don't over clock normally........ it was a test to see how well a $1100.00+ build of AMD kept up with a damn $3K Intel build...... and it still smokes that Intel builds arse as we text......
I do like Intel though, even if their product is high price, reason being, is because they perform better than AMD at certain things.....
ok, now since I have responded to your biased reply BoilerDown, I think I will go have a drink and fly in AH and shoot some planes down......
good luck with your fanboisim of Intel!
TC
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However, I do use ADIA64 Extreme on all my PC builds...... I think it might was called Everest at one time awhile back...
and even using it, which to me tells a more true tell of the tape, I have seen where some of my AMD builds kept up or even kicked the snot out of the Intel builds.. sometimes Intel is the king of the hill, but other times AMD is........ then if you want to include loading games and testing, the truth becomes even clearer....
if you ever want a great gaming PC built, shoot me an email..... I do it for fun and don't charge people....... I even will register your components for you.... for warranty purposes...... I can always thank whels for that, he is the one that got me into it......
TC
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typically the price will drop when a newer card in the same class is released. So probably spring/summer 2016. Looks like they are still releasing pretty much every year (several times a year actually). If they top the Titan X with something even better, the prices of the others should be pushed down. Meanwhile AH3 is still in Alpha so probably wait for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_900_Series
Does anyone know if that price will be dropping soon?
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tc the only way your 3k intel system would compare to an 1k amd system was it the rest of components were miles away. the difference between an amd cpu and an intel cpu was about 100 buck, maybe 150.
semp
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tc the only way your 3k intel system would compare to an 1k amd system was it the rest of components were miles away. the difference between an amd cpu and an intel cpu was about 100 buck, maybe 150.
semp
I might have exaggerated there a little, semp.....
I did say Intel was better at video editing/compiling and the Intel system at the time had/has a thermaltake Level 10 GT case ( which are close to a $100.00 cheaper now verses when I purchased it) and 2 Blu-ray DL rewriters in it, the AMD system at the time had an antec 900 case ( has the same type Thermaltake case now ) and just an ASUS DVD DL 421bst model burner in it.......
I did spend quite a bit more building that old Intel i7 system verses the AMD.... both systems are over 4 yrs old and both still perform as good as the day I built them....
on the Intel system I had even originally put 2 SSD cm4 Crucial drives in it in RAID 0 mode..... it didn't need it, I ended up slowing both systems down in the BIOS to give a 10 second delay startup...
I do not and have not for over a decade use the windows logo screen, I want to see everything happening as my PC(s) starts up.....
yep the price is closer to the 3K mark if it didn't go over..... checking Newegg, it isn't letting me pull up either 4 year + order in my history....
TC
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I set about trying to build the best systems I could. I settled on Intel.
However, it comes down to personal choice.
By the way, video editing/compiling/transcoding is moving onto the GPU more and more, but at this point Intel still has about a 30% advantage.
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1st off, you are the one who everytime someone says anything regarding AMD, you post a reply that talks crap about AMD and blow your holy whistle horn about Intel...
Hardly. I don't check this sub-forum often enough for that. And AMD makes fine GPUs, but their CPUs aren't worth it. Maybe they were worth it (price/performance wise, but certainly not strictly based on performance) 4 years ago, as you keep citing chips four or five Intel generations ago (Sandy Bridge) for your Intel comparisons.
Today, Intel beats AMD in both best value and best performance. For the money, you'd be dumb to pick AMD. For gaming, you'd be dumb to pick AMD. There's a case to be made for certain highly multithreaded tasks in a specific price range where maybe an FX-8320 or 8350 might beat Intel in price/performance benchmarks, but not in many real life scenarios, and not if you can spend a bit more than that.
I'm highly critical of AMD because they're screwing up the competitive nature of the CPU business that we depend on for good gaming CPUs. When each new Intel generation only improves on the last by around 5%, its clear that Intel sees no need to push the technology because AMD is just that far behind. Anyone who denies that this is happening is beyond delusional in their AMD fanboi-ism.
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Boildown, I'll give it to you, I have not built a completely brand new from scratch Intel system in close to a year..only upgraded 3 or 4....and have only built 3 brand new AMD computers in the past 4 months....
Once again, I will say both Intel systems and AMD systems are both good at different things...
The rest we can simply and happily disagree....
Have a great day!
TC
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I hope my 980 4gb card will work on aces high 3
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I hope my 980 4gb card will work on aces high 3
My GTX 980 works great. :D
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I have one box with SLI 980s, an x79 platform, and since SLI doesn't really appear to help AH much, I disable one card and just play with a single 980 (sometimes) - I checked out doing the same with the latest Alpha client last night, and with a single 980 I had everything cranked in 1440p w/Gsync enabled, and every setting maxed except environment, which is at 1 notch, and avg fps were I'd guess in the 90s, at times up to the max of the refresh rate of my panel (144hz online, 100hz offline in AH3), and some times down in the high 60s, but nothing lower than that. At 1080P where most players will likely play, including me due to the target sizes being easier to hit, so far the Alpha plays fantastic with a single 980. I'd played the first client with sli 970s and they were great too.
IMO so far a 970 will do the trick, Skuzzy has stated as much too, and I'd bet the new 960ti will too.
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I used a GTX 750 paired with an i3 in my one computer and was able to hold 50-60 FPS on default settings (it will probably go lower with other people around as well). I have a 760 that I haven't bothered to try yet but I'm willing to bet I could easily max the settings and maintain a good frame rate. If you are looking for a super budget option, the new GTX 950 should be able to handle the game with medium to high settings at 1080p for around $130.